Maltby TS2

[wantacigar]

37 minutes ago, Grape said:

Common themes I have seen on wedge flexes seem to be either stick with the same shaft you play in your irons (including shaft brand) or go heavier and a softer flex.
 

I am curious as to why you’re going with the Max Milled over the TSW. I also want to grab some new wedges as I put the TS3s in play this season and am looking for a better gap at the tail end of the bag. Both wedges seem like great options. I like the looks of the Max Milled better, but think the grind option would be a better choice for me. 

 

1. I like the look

2. full face grooves

3. about 4 grams heavier.  I feel with the Kirkland (fairly light head) I have to focus on feeling the clubhead through contact.  I think with the heavier head I would be able to feel it better and gain better control.

 

That being said, Now you have me thinking about the TSW.   I've been gaming the Kirkland since they came out almost 2.5 years.  The 56 face is pretty chewed.  My home league course is coastal and very pebbly.  Just by typing this I should really consider the TSW DRM

 

What are your thoughts on the difference between between the two?  I may consider the TSW.  I've been focusing on my wedge play as it was not the strongest and I've been playing them much better.

4 minutes ago, Klubster said:

I am a bit older than you, but.. I went with the KE4 Max with the Rapport R-flex and could not be happier.  When I replaced my three M-series wedges is S-flex with two Max Milled, I used the Kuro Kage A-flex for more feel plus the fact that I seldom hit a full shot with them.  The Kuro is a 2B3M vs a 3B2M in the Rapport, so similar but softer.  It is working well for me.  Better out of the sand and really easy to hit high shots.  Does not feel whippy.  Still pretty new to me, but so far, not sorry I went this route.

I very rarely hit these with full swing if at all.  I find using my 49* Sim2 Max A wedge 3/4 swing for about 80 yds and 95-105 yds on full swing.  56* and 52* mainly used for 75 yards in and around the green.  I can open up the 56* and not use a 60* so I'm considering either the Score steel at R flex or the Kuro Kage at a S flex (they run a softer S flex closer to R+)  I never played with graphite so I'm a little hesitant.  Actually looking at the TSW DRM now.  

[Grape]

1 hour ago, wantacigar said:

 

1. I like the look

2. full face grooves

3. about 4 grams heavier.  I feel with the Kirkland (fairly light head) I have to focus on feeling the clubhead through contact.  I think with the heavier head I would be able to feel it better and gain better control.

 

That being said, Now you have me thinking about the TSW.   I've been gaming the Kirkland since they came out almost 2.5 years.  The 56 face is pretty chewed.  My home league course is coastal and very pebbly.  Just by typing this I should really consid

It’s a tough call! 
 

TSW

- DRW finish is going to be more resilient 

- Better sole in my opinion, offering more flexibility in opening up the face.

 

versus 

 

Max Milled

- Better/more modern look, will visually be a better fit with the TS3s I have

- Full face seems great. I like the idea of getting some grooves on a strike near the toe. Which may be helpful when opening the face. 

 

I’m leaning towards the Max for the 52* and 56*, both in a 0.9 sole width. But really think it wouldn’t have much impact from a scoring perspective over a season with either one.  

[Flacoman]

Put me on Team TSW , i have a Vokey 60 /10s and I find the TSW superior , especially in tight or hardpan lies. Will I try the Max milled ? Probably.

[Klubster]

2 hours ago, Grape said:

It’s a tough call! 
 

TSW

- DRW finish is going to be more resilient 

- Better sole in my opinion, offering more flexibility in opening up the face.

 

versus 

 

Max Milled

- Better/more modern look, will visually be a better fit with the TS3s I have

- Full face seems great. I like the idea of getting some grooves on a strike near the toe. Which may be helpful when opening the face. 

 

I’m leaning towards the Max for the 52* and 56*, both in a 0.9 sole width. But really think it wouldn’t have much impact from a scoring perspective over a season with either one.  

From going to Max Milled from the older M-series (not the + series)which are more similar to the TSR, the biggest difference is not being able to open the face as much without raising the toe much.  On the other hand, the Max is easier to hit from a standard lie.  Less chance of chunking it.  If you are an excellent wedge player and improvise a lot, go with the TSR.  If you are good to average, the Max will probably be the better choice.  I like the Max better in the sand.

Edited April 13, 2023 by Klubster

[vandyfan]

26 minutes ago, Klubster said:

I like the Max better in the sand.

Do you feel like the weights in the toe help at all with a toe side strike (which is more likely when you open the face, at least for me)?

[Grape]

For those of you who have golfworks assemble your Maltby products, do they typically give you a discount when ordering a Pak but exchanging the shaft?

For example, the TSW wedge Pak is $48 with the score shaft.  If you wanted to upgrade the shaft, do they normally deduct the price of the score shaft you would have received from the upgraded one? So you wouldn’t pay full price for the upgraded shaft, then if you just ordered the components separately. 
 

Had my first club order from them recently and they did this deduction, but just called again to place another order and they said that aren’t supposed to do that. 
 

Did I just get lucky on the first purchase? 

[pjc]

The way I understand it, if it is not listed as a Pak, then it is just straight custom build meaning you pay what the shaft costs, what the grip costs, the head, etc.  I think you got lucky....lol

 

They do have a wedge Pak with the KBS HI-REV 2.0 for a great price as well.

[Gdashoff]

26 minutes ago, Grape said:

For those of you who have golfworks assemble your Maltby products, do they typically give you a discount when ordering a Pak but exchanging the shaft?

For example, the TSW wedge Pak is $48 with the score shaft.  If you wanted to upgrade the shaft, do they normally deduct the price of the score shaft you would have received from the upgraded one? So you wouldn’t pay full price for the upgraded shaft, then if you just ordered the components separately. 
 

Had my first club order from them recently and they did this deduction, but just called again to place another order and they said that aren’t supposed to do that. 
 

Did I just get lucky on the first purchase? 

They have always swapped shafts when I call in.  I'm just going from their Kuro Kage to the Maltby Pro shaft so maybe they don't mind that much?  They've also let me switch out grips.

[pjc]

You're just going from one Pak option to another Pak option it sounds like.  Grips, they sometimes will work around depending, but if a shaft is not in a Pak, you pay the price of that shaft.  This is directly from their CS.

[AUswimKC]

How are these wedges being mentioned in comparison to something like the CBX2? I really like those wedges for normal shots or 1/2 to 3/4swings. Use them around the greens and bunkers too 

[Spinozist]

24 minutes ago, AUswimKC said:

How are these wedges being mentioned in comparison to something like the CBX2? I really like those wedges for normal shots or 1/2 to 3/4swings. Use them around the greens and bunkers too 

well they are heavier heads, especially the max milled heads; but compared to the CBX2s even the TSWs are heavy. I had a CBX2 head recently that was like 289g with the ferrule, where the minimum weight config for the Max milled wedges is 296. So if you just swapped in the heads for a CBX2 head, they might feel heavy. Then again, some people end up really doing well with a heavier setup. They discontinued their tour grind which I was a fan of, particularly the black finish. I would like to see them come out with a sort of compact head wedge a-la the TM MG3s. The MG3s blend in amazingly well with the TS1s, and I imagine it will be even moreso with the milled soles of the TS4s.

 

[Spinozist]

33 minutes ago, AUswimKC said:

How are these wedges being mentioned in comparison to something like the CBX2? I really like those wedges for normal shots or 1/2 to 3/4swings. Use them around the greens and bunkers too 

Also I think you'll find the Max line much more similar than the TSW line. The effective bounce of the TSW is quite low, and the "tangent surface" of the sole is very small. Whereas the max line has a much beefier and uniform sole, much like the CBX2s. The CBX2s I think are a great head, especially for a lighter shaft. 

[SE Gamer]

10 hours ago, wantacigar said:

 

I'm getting the Max Milled 56* (.90) and 52* (.90) with the steel Score shafts replacing my Kirkland wedges (STOP LAUGHING, they're decent wedges 🤣)  I just don't know which shaft flex to get.  I'm gaming Sim2 irons with KBS S flex but I am borderline R flex at 56 yrs. old.  Should I go with the stiff or regular flex.  OOOOR, for $10 more go with the graphite shaft?  I Want to order today but unsure about the shaft.  

 

So, would you consider the TS1-IM comparable to the P790's? or the P770's?  I'm considering them as I am looking for the hollow body design like the P790.  I was considering the KE4 Max but I'm a picker on my irons shots so thought the sole on the TS1 / TS1-IM would be a good fit.

 

I'm also a bit of a picker. Bought a TS1 7i last year and love it. I also hit the 770 and 790 last year. And think the TS1 looks better than both (although it's not massively different). Based on the changes, I'd think the IM model will be more comparable to the 770 or Mizuno 225.

[Popeye64]

With some chatter on the TSW DRM heads I'll throw in my $.02. Though it's effective bounce isn't anywhere near the Maz line up, I find the TSW to be extremely easy to use. 

As a digger I'm very sensitive to a wedge that has not much bounce and a sharper leading edge. Yet I thrive with the TSW. Even on tight lies I love how it works for me. Crisp with a ton of check spin.

I find the 52 to be as versatile for creating shots as any design I've used, from all sorts of places. Then I go right to the 60 for dropping a ball from high above to a tight pin  

Even on full shots I hardly ever catch it fat. 

Though others may struggle with it... Its not going anywhere from my bag. And I've used the Max wedges in almost every spot. Just prefer the TSW. 

[TallGuy90]

I find that both the TSW and Max really need to be opened up. I won’t use anything with less then 10° of bounce 

[KCEE]

I've only just started playing around with the TSW wedges, but so far I like them a lot.  The sole seems relatively wide so you have more "effective bounce" I think.  I seem to do better with a wide sole low bounce 60* (I have a Callaway MD5 W LB 60 I love).  I keep hearing bounce is your friend, but for me that only seems to apply to bunkers at desert courses and I only play those when I visit my inlaws in AZ.  I do have a narrower sole 12* 56 for different conditions and shots.  I wouldn't mind if the TSW looked a bit larger, but the specs say it has a wider sole than the Max so it's probably better for me.

[Multipass613]

TSW 54 degree user here, tightest approach wedge and most versatile chipping club I've ever owned. It looks a tad unusual at address but the leading edge and sole grind are incredibly effective.

 

Versus my 58 degree Vokey M grind, the TSW sole has slightly more room to open up the face, play the ball back, or slice through thick rough. Just a few more degrees of versatility in any direction.

 

Haven't tried the MAX!

[Spinozist]

44 minutes ago, KCEE said:

I've only just started playing around with the TSW wedges, but so far I like them a lot.  The sole seems relatively wide so you have more "effective bounce" I think.  I seem to do better with a wide sole low bounce 60* (I have a Callaway MD5 W LB 60 I love).  I keep hearing bounce is your friend, but for me that only seems to apply to bunkers at desert courses and I only play those when I visit my inlaws in AZ.  I do have a narrower sole 12* 56 for different conditions and shots.  I wouldn't mind if the TSW looked a bit larger, but the specs say it has a wider sole than the Max so it's probably better for me.

...the thing about the effective bounce is that it's not wholly independent of the grind in addition to the width of the sole. So the TSW wedges have a wide sole, which would by itself increase the effective bounce, but then the grinding negates it to a certain extent in actual play. Also, I personally find that, broadly speaking, lower bounce can work really well on 60 deg+ clubs.

 

[Grape]

You all convinced me, just placed an order for the TSW!

[Popeye64]

1 hour ago, Grape said:

You all convinced me, just placed an order for the TSW!

We are all bad enablers. 

[wantacigar]

And I still don't know if which one to get.........Leaning TSW DRM over Max Milled 0.90

 

It's going to come down to best 2 outta 3 of eenie meenie miney mo

[Klubster]

20 hours ago, vandyfan said:

Do you feel like the weights in the toe help at all with a toe side strike (which is more likely when you open the face, at least for me)?

I do not think the weights really make any difference in COG and are basically for swingweighting. The full face grooves may help you though.  As far as sand, I have the 54 and 58.  I have been using the 58 in the sand and playing it more square than I did with my old 56.  I just seem to get better results now.  Bunkers were never a strong part of my game, now I feel a bit more confident.

[Rainier88]

2 hours ago, Multipass613 said:

TSW 54 degree user here, tightest approach wedge and most versatile chipping club I've ever owned. It looks a tad unusual at address but the leading edge and sole grind are incredibly effective.

 

13 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

With some chatter on the TSW DRM heads I'll throw in my $.02. Though it's effective bounce isn't anywhere near the Maz line up, I find the TSW to be extremely easy to use.

 

N=1, but at the same time I ordered the KE4 Max irons, I got two Maltby wedges: the 54 TSW DRM, and the 60 Design Glider. I'd love some more discussion of the Glider wedges with the fat, fat sole, because I struggle out of sand and with hitting fat lob wedge shots. If anyone else has tried them, please let me know what you thought.

 

These wedges replaced the Kirkland wedges for me, which were fine, but I tended to hit fat, take giant beaver pelt divots, and because they are standard length/lie, tended to go right due to being too short/flat for my specs. The Maltby wedges are +1.5" and +2* upright, for comparison.

 

In my one round, the TSW got me a birdie and was very reliable and workable on all kinds of shots. The birdie I dropped to about 7' from ~60 yards, on a half swing. I'm already enamored with it, but time will tell. I did not use any open-face tricks, just straight up at address. I also do not know was meant by unusual at address. It looks like a golf club to me. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

The Glider wedge I did not hit fat, but I left plenty short. It will take more practice, but it did get me out of a bunker in 1 shot, so mission accomplished there.

 

Both wedges definitely scuffed up my golf balls readily, which I expect to last another round or two until the grooves get worn. Hopefully the DRM lasts slightly longer.

[ChaosTheory]

24 minutes ago, Rainier88 said:

The Glider wedge I did not hit fat, but I left plenty short.

Good rule of thumb, swing as if the distance was 3X what you have from the bunker.  Most poor bunker players don’t use a big enough swing.  If you have a 15 yard shot, use a 45 yard swing.  Assuming normal sand.  With the Glider, as long as you hit down behind the ball, it will be safe.

[wantacigar]

Well............Just ordered the TSW DRM w/Score R flex........

[omegafett]

On 4/14/2023 at 7:57 AM, Grape said:

You all convinced me, just placed an order for the TSW!

You convinced me. I just placed an order for 3x TSW DBM 52, 56, 60 

[coreyhr]

Update on my TS3 trial. So I switched epoxies lately and built the set originally with that epoxy. There’s a discussion about it in the forums, so I won’t go in to detail. But I could hear some popping noises that I’ve never heard before in my 4-5 years of club building. I think that subconsciously was causing me to swing scared. Anyway I pulled those heads, rebuilt the irons with my normal epoxy and these irons have come alive. 
 

The Ping i230’s are their first casualty and the ZX7’s very likely may get the boot from the bag as well. I’m anxious to see how they perform when the fairways here turn firm like they do every summer, because these things want to take pretty large divots it seems. The soles seem to get more turf interaction than my ZX7’s. That’s my only hesitation right now. But for no more than I have invested in them, I’ll gladly continue the TS3 vs ZX7 test for the coming months. The fairways are still thin and mushy here, so I’m still hitting some skinny ones. But simply put, these are the best feeling irons I’ve ever hit. They have this “heft” behind them too at impact that I absolutely love. They’re high launching and just hold their line. I can’t wait to get more bag time with these in meaningful rounds, Maltby has a big winner with these things. 

[dhen9]

Lemme axe you fellas a question. With a 48° G in the TS3 do you go: 52,56,60 or 53,58?

[Popeye64]

4 minutes ago, dhen9 said:

Lemme axe you fellas a question. With a 48° G in the TS3 do you go: 52,56,60 or 53,58?

Either setup will work well for you. There is a lot to be said about simplified wedge options. Having only two, you really develop a feel for what they will do. It eliminates some doubt about which wedge you will pull out. 48 to 53 and then to 58 is consistent gaps. It also allows you to add a hybrid or another FW. 

The 3 wedge option falls into the 4° classic iron-wedge progression. If you use all three with consistency you can get your short gama fairly dialed in. But now you lose a top of the bag option. 

I'm a fan of keeping a two wedge option after a gap wedge. Golf is hard enough, I try to simplify when I can. 

[wantacigar]

10 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

Either setup will work well for you. There is a lot to be said about simplified wedge options. Having only two, you really develop a feel for what they will do. It eliminates some doubt about which wedge you will pull out. 48 to 53 and then to 58 is consistent gaps. It also allows you to add a hybrid or another FW. 

The 3 wedge option falls into the 4° classic iron-wedge progression. If you use all three with consistency you can get your short gama fairly dialed in. But now you lose a top of the bag option. 

I'm a fan of keeping a two wedge option after a gap wedge. Golf is hard enough, I try to simplify when I can. 

I just ordered the 56* TSW DBM w/score R flex.  Will be ordering the 52* same setup.  Kicking the 60* out of the bag..... If I use the 60* once or twice a round it's allot, if at all.