Project X in Wedges

wareagle902 · July 15, 2018

I think it makes sense. You get use to the feel on partial shots and it’s nice having all clubs play the same on full shots. Add a little lead tape as needed. I find it a lot easier to hit my #s with a lighter wedge shaft as before I seemed to usually come up short on partial shots.

Scooter321 · July 15, 2018

So fortunately today I was able to get to a Titleist demo day where they were able to swap out shafts in the SM7 wedges with the wrench (the last one I went to they didn't have that). So, I was able to test the SM7 with Project X. The only problem was that for some reason they didn't have PX in 6.0, only in 6.5 so that is what I got to try.

I actually hit it very well and liked the feel of the PX in the wedges...partial shots and some chips I hit from around the green felt good as well. The 6.5 didn't feel too stiff, however, I play 6.0 in my irons (which is what I was fitted into). There appears to be a 5 gram difference between 6.0 and 6.5. Is that going to be noticeable if I go to 6.0 when I order and will the swingweight feel much different? Should I be considering putting 6.5 in the wedges but soft stepping them to get the higher weight but a little less stiff (or will that have other unintended consequences)? Would love any advise along these lines...really wish they had the 6.0 so I could have tested that and confidently ordered it.

nova6868 · July 15, 2018

Very minor differences between 6.5 soft-stepped and 6.0 straight in. I'm not even sure there's a full 5-gram difference once you factor in that you're using the 6.5 9-iron shaft and so cutting more from the butt end of the shaft to get the right length. So you're losing some weight. I'm sure Howard Jones or someone would know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the weight difference isn't just 3-4 grams after accounting for that.

Also the overall flex difference between 6.5-soft and 6.0 is something like 0.1 FCM. Basically no difference.

The only real difference might be the slightly different flex point from the soft-stepping.

Wdwfreak · July 15, 2018

Hopping in on this thread because i have now played project X 7.0s in my irons for awhile with good results. However, ive had major problems with distance in the wedges. Previously i was playing 6.5s in my wedges and then I actually went way off the board and tried the KBS 610 125 shaft in my wedges and have seen some better results with that.

Obviously it is a bit odd to have completely different wedge shafts from iron shafts but as of right now i think i will stick with it. I had spin and especially height problems playing the project x in my wedges but this has partially negated that which i very much like seeing.

Does anyone else have a setup like this?

Golf4lifer · July 15, 2018

Hopping in on this thread because i have now played project X 7.0s in my irons for awhile with good results. However, ive had major problems with distance in the wedges. Previously i was playing 6.5s in my wedges and then I actually went way off the board and tried the KBS 610 125 shaft in my wedges and have seen some better results with that.

Obviously it is a bit odd to have completely different wedge shafts from iron shafts but as of right now i think i will stick with it. I had spin and especially height problems playing the project x in my wedges but this has partially negated that which i very much like seeing.

Does anyone else have a setup like this?

I have the same set up and I love it so much I’m thinking about switching from the px 7.0’s in my irons to the kbs tour-v 125 tour spec. The 610 125’s are a great wedge shaft and can handle full swings and well as pitches and chips.

Howard_Jones · July 16, 2018

Very minor differences between 6.5 soft-stepped and 6.0 straight in. I'm not even sure there's a full 5-gram difference once you factor in that you're using the 6.5 9-iron shaft and so cutting more from the butt end of the shaft to get the right length. So you're losing some weight. I'm sure Howard Jones or someone would know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the weight difference isn't just 3-4 grams after accounting for that.

Also the overall flex difference between 6.5-soft and 6.0 is something like 0.1 FCM. Basically no difference.

The only real difference might be the slightly different flex point from the soft-stepping.

Your thinking of weight is correct. when we soft stepp, we loose the wgt equal to 0.5" pr.step, and we use the #6 iron wgt to do the calcs.

PX 6.5 is 125 grams at 38.50

That gives 125/38.50= 3.24 grams pr. Inch so that would be the wgt loss at SS2, while at SS1 we loose half or we can say PX 6.5 SS1 has a comparable weight of 123.5 grams vs 125 as strait in.

So, compared to 6.0 strait in, 6.5 SS1 will still have some extra wgt, while the butt flex gets very close, but now with a bias against higher launch vs 6.0

Scooter321 · July 16, 2018

Very minor differences between 6.5 soft-stepped and 6.0 straight in. I'm not even sure there's a full 5-gram difference once you factor in that you're using the 6.5 9-iron shaft and so cutting more from the butt end of the shaft to get the right length. So you're losing some weight. I'm sure Howard Jones or someone would know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the weight difference isn't just 3-4 grams after accounting for that.

Also the overall flex difference between 6.5-soft and 6.0 is something like 0.1 FCM. Basically no difference.

The only real difference might be the slightly different flex point from the soft-stepping.

Your thinking of weight is correct. when we soft stepp, we loose the wgt equal to 0.5" pr.step, and we use the #6 iron wgt to do the calcs.

PX 6.5 is 125 grams at 38.50
That gives 125/38.50= 3.24 grams pr. Inch so that would be the wgt loss at SS2, while at SS1 we loose half or we can say PX 6.5 SS1 has a comparable weight of 123.5 grams vs 125 as strait in.

So, compared to 6.0 strait in, 6.5 SS1 will still have some extra wgt, while the butt flex gets very close, but now with a bias against higher launch vs 6.0

Would this be something you suggest doing or would you go straight in with 6.0? Do you think there would be a discernible difference between 6.5 and 6.0 straight in in terms of weight/launch. As mentioned I tried the 6.5 out bc they didnt have the other flexes available...I liked it a lot, but play 6.0 in my irons,

nikeV10blade · June 17, 2019

Hate to bring up an old thread. Currently got to playing Project X 7.0 soft stepped once in my irons. Love the feel of them. Have them playing all the way down to my 50. With my 54 and 58, I have 7.0 7 iron shafts that I also have tipped trimmed 3/8 inch. They are wonderful on full and partial shots, but when I start getting around the green for chips, they feel horrible. Very stiff and no feel. Should I just put 7.0 7 iron shafts straight in to bring back the softness or should I play different shafts otherwise?

Howard_Jones · June 17, 2019

> @nikeV10blade said:

> Hate to bring up an old thread. Currently got to playing Project X 7.0 soft stepped once in my irons. Love the feel of them. Have them playing all the way down to my 50. With my 54 and 58, I have 7.0 7 iron shafts that I also have tipped trimmed 3/8 inch. They are wonderful on full and partial shots, but when I start getting around the green for chips, they feel horrible. Very stiff and no feel. Should I just put 7.0 7 iron shafts straight in to bring back the softness or should I play different shafts otherwise?

3/8" tip trim brought that #7 iron shaft close to a #8 iron shaft but with lower weight than the #8, and you also loose a bit of weight using a #7 iron shaft, and if feel is bad on chip shots, it want improve much with a #7 strait in and butt cut, so consider a cheap option, and try a DG X100 #8 iron shaft, NO tip trim, just butt cut to play. its gives you a few grams more weight who is good (vs PX 7.0 #7 iron), but i would also have used DOWELs in those wedges to improve feel in general since it seems to be of highly importance to you. The oldest trick in the book, a few grams added head weight should also be tried, it might improve both impact and feel of impact big time.

nikeV10blade · June 17, 2019

> @"Howard Jones" said:

> > @nikeV10blade said:

> > Hate to bring up an old thread. Currently got to playing Project X 7.0 soft stepped once in my irons. Love the feel of them. Have them playing all the way down to my 50. With my 54 and 58, I have 7.0 7 iron shafts that I also have tipped trimmed 3/8 inch. They are wonderful on full and partial shots, but when I start getting around the green for chips, they feel horrible. Very stiff and no feel. Should I just put 7.0 7 iron shafts straight in to bring back the softness or should I play different shafts otherwise?

>

> 3/8" tip trim brought that #7 iron shaft close to a #8 iron shaft but with lower weight than the #8, and you also loose a bit of weight using a #7 iron shaft, and if feel is bad on chip shots, it want improve much with a #7 strait in and butt cut, so consider a cheap option, and try a DG X100 #8 iron shaft, NO tip trim, just butt cut to play. its gives you a few grams more weight who is good (vs PX 7.0 #7 iron), but i would also have used DOWELs in those wedges to improve feel in general since it seems to be of highly importance to you. The oldest trick in the book, a few grams added head weight should also be tried, it might improve both impact and feel of impact big time.

I got out of DG x100 because I felt that it spun to much and wanted something with a lower ball flight. I went to c taper x for a while before I went with PX which suits my swing better. Just love how the shaft loads. Just worried about going with x100 again and with 8 iron shaft that it will raise launch since I don't have a problem getting the ball up, but I believe going with that 8 iron shaft, it's meant to be lower launch. Is it worth also going heavier and going s400 or stick with x100? I also have lead tape on my wedges and they play to d7 and d8 respectively on my 54 and 58 since I like that heavier feel.

Howard_Jones · June 17, 2019

> @nikeV10blade said:

> > @"Howard Jones" said:

> > > @nikeV10blade said:

> > > Hate to bring up an old thread. Currently got to playing Project X 7.0 soft stepped once in my irons. Love the feel of them. Have them playing all the way down to my 50. With my 54 and 58, I have 7.0 7 iron shafts that I also have tipped trimmed 3/8 inch. They are wonderful on full and partial shots, but when I start getting around the green for chips, they feel horrible. Very stiff and no feel. Should I just put 7.0 7 iron shafts straight in to bring back the softness or should I play different shafts otherwise?

> >

> > 3/8" tip trim brought that #7 iron shaft close to a #8 iron shaft but with lower weight than the #8, and you also loose a bit of weight using a #7 iron shaft, and if feel is bad on chip shots, it want improve much with a #7 strait in and butt cut, so consider a cheap option, and try a DG X100 #8 iron shaft, NO tip trim, just butt cut to play. its gives you a few grams more weight who is good (vs PX 7.0 #7 iron), but i would also have used DOWELs in those wedges to improve feel in general since it seems to be of highly importance to you. The oldest trick in the book, a few grams added head weight should also be tried, it might improve both impact and feel of impact big time.

>

> I got out of DG x100 because I felt that it spun to much and wanted something with a lower ball flight. I went to c taper x for a while before I went with PX which suits my swing better. Just love how the shaft loads. Just worried about going with x100 again and with 8 iron shaft that it will raise launch since I don't have a problem getting the ball up, but I believe going with that 8 iron shaft, it's meant to be lower launch. Is it worth also going heavier and going s400 or stick with x100? I also have lead tape on my wedges and they play to d7 and d8 respectively on my 54 and 58 since I like that heavier feel.

Does it boil down to feel during chipping? Try dowels first then, even Prosoft inserts, both improves feel at impact and prosoft iserts add a few grams shaft weight who might be good too.

I know feel is important, it has to be right, but when we get to ball flight, its really a question of loft at impact, and if ball flight is too high, then tweak lofts stronger. It does NOT matter how loft at impact changed, sole bounce followed no matter if we bend the heads, use a shaft who reduced forward shaft bending and dynamic loft, or changed our angle of attack, its the same "head situation at impact", no matter how we got there.

The same for carry gaps, if we take ball flight down using a shaft who reduced dynamic loft by 1*, carry distance moves the same as if we bend static lofts 1* stronger. Loft is loft...

We cant fool the ball, the air or the turf we play on, Loft is loft no matter where it comes from, so if you know a shaft that feels right, but ball flight is higher than you like it to be, bend loft stronger until ball flight is like you want it.

Just look at Tiger, he goes the other way, playing a LOW launch shaft Dynamic Gold X100, but with loft 2 WEAK to get High ball flight.....bend lofts for ball flight.

nikeV10blade · June 23, 2019

> @"Howard Jones" said:

> > @nikeV10blade said:

> > > @"Howard Jones" said:

> > > > @nikeV10blade said:

> > > > Hate to bring up an old thread. Currently got to playing Project X 7.0 soft stepped once in my irons. Love the feel of them. Have them playing all the way down to my 50. With my 54 and 58, I have 7.0 7 iron shafts that I also have tipped trimmed 3/8 inch. They are wonderful on full and partial shots, but when I start getting around the green for chips, they feel horrible. Very stiff and no feel. Should I just put 7.0 7 iron shafts straight in to bring back the softness or should I play different shafts otherwise?

> > >

> > > 3/8" tip trim brought that #7 iron shaft close to a #8 iron shaft but with lower weight than the #8, and you also loose a bit of weight using a #7 iron shaft, and if feel is bad on chip shots, it want improve much with a #7 strait in and butt cut, so consider a cheap option, and try a DG X100 #8 iron shaft, NO tip trim, just butt cut to play. its gives you a few grams more weight who is good (vs PX 7.0 #7 iron), but i would also have used DOWELs in those wedges to improve feel in general since it seems to be of highly importance to you. The oldest trick in the book, a few grams added head weight should also be tried, it might improve both impact and feel of impact big time.

> >

> > I got out of DG x100 because I felt that it spun to much and wanted something with a lower ball flight. I went to c taper x for a while before I went with PX which suits my swing better. Just love how the shaft loads. Just worried about going with x100 again and with 8 iron shaft that it will raise launch since I don't have a problem getting the ball up, but I believe going with that 8 iron shaft, it's meant to be lower launch. Is it worth also going heavier and going s400 or stick with x100? I also have lead tape on my wedges and they play to d7 and d8 respectively on my 54 and 58 since I like that heavier feel.

>

> Does it boil down to feel during chipping? Try dowels first then, even Prosoft inserts, both improves feel at impact and prosoft iserts add a few grams shaft weight who might be good too.

>

> I know feel is important, it has to be right, but when we get to ball flight, its really a question of loft at impact, and if ball flight is too high, then tweak lofts stronger. It does NOT matter how loft at impact changed, sole bounce followed no matter if we bend the heads, use a shaft who reduced forward shaft bending and dynamic loft, or changed our angle of attack, its the same "head situation at impact", no matter how we got there.

>

> The same for carry gaps, if we take ball flight down using a shaft who reduced dynamic loft by 1*, carry distance moves the same as if we bend static lofts 1* stronger. Loft is loft...

>

> We cant fool the ball, the air or the turf we play on, Loft is loft no matter where it comes from, so if you know a shaft that feels right, but ball flight is higher than you like it to be, bend loft stronger until ball flight is like you want it.

>

> Just look at Tiger, he goes the other way, playing a LOW launch shaft Dynamic Gold X100, but with loft 2 WEAK to get High ball flight.....bend lofts for ball flight.

I ordered 2 tour issue x100 8 iron shafts today and should be in next week. Will be installing them both in my 54 and 58. I will also take your advice on installing them with wood dowels in the tips to improve the feel. My only concern is that the ball flight will still stays somewhat low and dont balloon since I love taking full shots with my wedges. I just want that soft feel on short shots and delicate chips around the green. With the wood dowels, can you still use tip weights to get told desired swing weight? I play D7 for 54 and D8 for 58.