What are your thoughts on Brooks Koepka swing?

[jkbroker]

Is he really that steep? Like in the band of steepness amongst the tour, is he steep?

 

I have seen trackman #s show -9 down with a 6 iron and I think tour average is around -4 down.

[jkbroker]

Is he really that steep? Like in the band of steepness amongst the tour, is he steep?

 

Looks steep to me. Here's his hand path:

 

 

 

That looks like a Malaska intent handpath, no?

 

I think the handpath is more vertical than horizontal, because he doesn't have a ton of depth in his backswing. The club needs to work more down than out to get back to the ball.

[cardoustie]

Did he injure his left wrist?

 

He is steep but is certainly not as extended with the left arm thru thru and past impact like Justin Thomas is ... do I detect almost a hold on mini chicken wing? I'm not talking YJS level of course

 

Very athletic and powerful move .. not gonna lie .. more than a little envious

[white03]

I thought "steep" referred to club head path, not hand path??

 

His hand path looks really good to me

[iteachgolf]

Is he really that steep? Like in the band of steepness amongst the tour, is he steep?

 

I have seen trackman #s show -9 down with a 6 iron and I think tour average is around -4 down.

 

I don’t believe those tour averages for a minute. -9 is very common with a 6 iron among high clubhead speed players. Including those who hit up on it with driver

[Krt22]

I thought "steep" referred to club head path, not hand path??

 

His hand path looks really good to me

 

Yeah I don't think most refer to the hand path, its either shaft pitch or AoA when talking about steepness.

 

[RichieHunt]

Richie,

 

There's 2 things about his swing that I notice: No early wrist set. And during his release the left wrist bends back on its self quickly after impact, like maybe slap hinge or spiderman.

 

Am I seeing these things right? And why does he do them?

 

Early wrist set or no early wrist set is something I don't really look for. Some do, some don't. He does have the left wrist in flexion at p4 and then looks like he increases the flexion in the downswing.

 

My guess is that as a junior golfer he started doing that naturally...either doing it naturally or as a compensation for his lack of hand depth at the top of the swing and the downswing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RH

[Range Pro]

I love his swing. The best part is how he keeps the clubface square to the swing path all the way back and through. It elimiates the timing of closing the clubface on the downswing.

[Gamble Gamble]

I love his swing. The best part is how he keeps the clubface square to the swing path all the way back and through. It elimiates the timing of closing the clubface on the downswing.

 

lol

[Shilgy]

great until an injury that is. Modern golf = full out swing, only a matter of time? He's had wrist, who knows what next. I don't think the gym reps are going to prevent the wear and tear.

 

I'll swing like him if I can have his last 14 months

 

I laugh when I hear people say modern golf equals full out swing. Go back and watch Johnny Miller, Seve, young Jack, Arnold. Those guys swung "hard" as well.

And they had back and hip and wrist issues as well. Professional golf causing body ailments is hardly a new thing.

[Santiago Golf]

great until an injury that is. Modern golf = full out swing, only a matter of time? He's had wrist, who knows what next. I don't think the gym reps are going to prevent the wear and tear.

 

I'll swing like him if I can have his last 14 months

 

I laugh when I hear people say modern golf equals full out swing. Go back and watch Johnny Miller, Seve, young Jack, Arnold. Those guys swung "hard" as well.

And they had back and hip and wrist issues as well. Professional golf causing body ailments is hardly a new thing.

 

Sports causing injuries isnt a new thing. Fans just have more avenues to know every little thing

[ThinkingPlus]

Hulk Smash!!!!

[Range Pro]

I love his swing. The best part is how he keeps the clubface square to the swing path all the way back and through. It elimiates the timing of closing the clubface on the downswing.

 

lol

 

You never seen this before? http://mentoredbythelegend.com/?p=660

[PowderedToastMan]

Ever notice that these DTL videos of unique tour swings 99% of the time look amazing in FO?

[iteachgolf]

I love his swing. The best part is how he keeps the clubface square to the swing path all the way back and through. It elimiates the timing of closing the clubface on the downswing.

 

lol

 

You never seen this before? http://mentoredbythelegend.com/?p=660

 

Except that literally doesn’t happen in anyone ever measured. The clubface is not staying square to the arc in Brooks swing or any full swing

[Range Pro]

I love his swing. The best part is how he keeps the clubface square to the swing path all the way back and through. It elimiates the timing of closing the clubface on the downswing.

 

lol

 

You never seen this before? http://mentoredbythelegend.com/?p=660

 

Except that literally doesn't happen in anyone ever measured. The clubface is not staying square to the arc in Brooks swing or any full swing

 

Watch it again closely. The clubface is square to path of the clubhead the entire time.

[PreppySlapCut]

I love his swing. The best part is how he keeps the clubface square to the swing path all the way back and through. It elimiates the timing of closing the clubface on the downswing.

 

lol

 

You never seen this before? http://mentoredbythelegend.com/?p=660

 

Except that literally doesn’t happen in anyone ever measured. The clubface is not staying square to the arc in Brooks swing or any full swing

I really am convinced these Austin guys like go to seminars by the airport.

[GungHoGolf]

I love his swing. The best part is how he keeps the clubface square to the swing path all the way back and through. It elimiates the timing of closing the clubface on the downswing.

 

lol

 

You never seen this before? http://mentoredbythelegend.com/?p=660

 

Except that literally doesn’t happen in anyone ever measured. The clubface is not staying square to the arc in Brooks swing or any full swing

I really am convinced these Austin guys like go to seminars by the airport.

 

They also, apparently, keep several years-old inactive accounts that suddenly come to life in a flurry of posts and seem to know it all. Except who they’re arguing with - a Tour-level instructor with mountains of 3D data. Sheesh.

[rangersgoalie]

Not going to have any depth that’s easy to recover from with that little hip turn.

 

Someone asked me today what I’d do if I were his swing coach.

 

I’d have 3D of his good runs of golf and show him how it was different on bad runs...if it is at all.

 

I’d tell him to win 100,000,000 and 10-15 majors and when his back started to hurt, turn his hips more.

 

Monte, the last sentence is just damned fantastic! :)

[BiggErn]

Can't comment on his swing mechanics but that 4 iron he hit to the 16th on Sunday was just ridiculous.

 

 

Someone will critique it shortly. Although he was 6 ft from the hole he didn’t do something right.

[Krt22]

I love his swing. The best part is how he keeps the clubface square to the swing path all the way back and through. It elimiates the timing of closing the clubface on the downswing.

 

lol

 

You never seen this before? http://mentoredbythelegend.com/?p=660

 

Except that literally doesn't happen in anyone ever measured. The clubface is not staying square to the arc in Brooks swing or any full swing

 

Watch it again closely. The clubface is square to path of the clubhead the entire time.

 

And this is why you are a range pro and not an actual pro like iteach

[Gamble Gamble]

Except that literally doesn't happen in anyone ever measured. The clubface is not staying square to the arc in Brooks swing or any full swing

 

Watch it again closely. The clubface is square to path of the clubhead the entire time.

 

Because she is actively manipulating the face to be “square” to the path. There is no magic bullet here when it comes to “timing” a golf swing. Your arms and pivot need to be in sync. There’s no way to avoid that and be consistently successful.

 

If you want to make your swing “easier to time” you need to remove excess, unnecessary movement...

 

... one of which would be actively manipulating the club face to speciously create a “no-timing” swing.

[Golfjack]

I was playing with the arm plane vs shoulder plane, especially after adjusting my shoulder plane down, I felt like there was more space to raise the arms like DJ and Koepka. With a flatter shoulder plane I felt like having a flatter arm/club plane. A little counter intuitive but still gotta figure it out although I think the increased tilt in my shoulders at the top of the back swing is definitely a good thing. Raising the arms higher also has cured my very inside out swing path.

 

Not saying it works well, but feels like there is some potential there.

[Santiago Golf]

Did he injure his left wrist?

 

He is steep but is certainly not as extended with the left arm thru thru and past impact like Justin Thomas is ... do I detect almost a hold on mini chicken wing? I'm not talking YJS level of course

 

Very athletic and powerful move .. not gonna lie .. more than a little envious

 

Nothing wrong with a bent left arm

[Santiago Golf]

Ever notice that these DTL videos of unique tour swings 99% of the time look amazing in FO?

 

I look at Face On probably 85% of the time when i teach.

[Range Pro]

Except that literally doesn't happen in anyone ever measured. The clubface is not staying square to the arc in Brooks swing or any full swing

 

Watch it again closely. The clubface is square to path of the clubhead the entire time.

 

Because she is actively manipulating the face to be “square” to the path. There is no magic bullet here when it comes to “timing” a golf swing. Your arms and pivot need to be in sync. There’s no way to avoid that and be consistently successful.

 

If you want to make your swing “easier to time” you need to remove excess, unnecessary movement...

 

... one of which would be actively manipulating the club face to speciously create a “no-timing” swing.

 

There are two ways for right wrist to move during the take away. In order for the clubface to stay square to its path, the left wrist action is the only way to achieve it. Both Brooks and Dustin are doing the action on the left. Modern teachings advocate the right wrist action. For me, there is less timeing involved with the left.

 

[BiggErn]

I don’t know of a single good golfer who has some “timing” move that allows the club to be square for a split second at impact. Nobody I know consciously thinks about it. The club should “feel” square throughout the swing and that “feel” will vary from golfer to golfer. That’s why even the best golfers in the world have different grips, positions, swings,....whatever. Every golfers swing can get out of sync but I would find it difficult to have some move I had to perfectly time to hit a straightish shot. Good grip, good setup, good takeaway, good position at the top. After that squaring the face shouldn’t even be a thought, just swing through the ball and the face will square.

[iteachgolf]

Except that literally doesn't happen in anyone ever measured. The clubface is not staying square to the arc in Brooks swing or any full swing

 

Watch it again closely. The clubface is square to path of the clubhead the entire time.

 

Because she is actively manipulating the face to be “square” to the path. There is no magic bullet here when it comes to “timing” a golf swing. Your arms and pivot need to be in sync. There’s no way to avoid that and be consistently successful.

 

If you want to make your swing “easier to time” you need to remove excess, unnecessary movement...

 

... one of which would be actively manipulating the club face to speciously create a “no-timing” swing.

 

There are two ways for right wrist to move during the take away. In order for the clubface to stay square to its path, the left wrist action is the only way to achieve it. Both Brooks and Dustin are doing the action on the left. Modern teachings advocate the right wrist action. For me, there is less timeing involved with the left.

 

 

I’d say you have no clue what “modern teaching” advocates. And again nobody keeps the clubface square to the path through the entire swing. Nobody. And it’s not close.

[iteachgolf]

I don’t know of a single good golfer who has some “timing” move that allows the club to be square for a split second at impact. Nobody I know consciously thinks about it. The club should “feel” square throughout the swing and that “feel” will vary from golfer to golfer. That’s why even the best golfers in the world have different grips, positions, swings,....whatever. Every golfers swing can get out of sync but I would find it difficult to have some move I had to perfectly time to hit a straightish shot. Good grip, good setup, good takeaway, good position at the top. After that squaring the face shouldn’t even be a thought, just swing through the ball and the face will square.

 

Every straight shot requires a ton of stuff to be perfectly timed to make happen. There zero way to eliminate timing in the golfswing. Just because something is subconscious doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

[BiggErn]

I dont know of a single good golfer who has some timing move that allows the club to be square for a split second at impact. Nobody I know consciously thinks about it. The club should feel square throughout the swing and that feel will vary from golfer to golfer. Thats why even the best golfers in the world have different grips, positions, swings,....whatever. Every golfers swing can get out of sync but I would find it difficult to have some move I had to perfectly time to hit a straightish shot. Good grip, good setup, good takeaway, good position at the top. After that squaring the face shouldnt even be a thought, just swing through the ball and the face will square.

 

Every straight shot requires a ton of stuff to be perfectly timed to make happen. There zero way to eliminate timing in the golfswing. Just because something is subconscious doesnt mean its not happening.

 

 

I guess timing has a lot of meanings in relation to golf. I just don’t believe there’s some sort of handsy move at impact that has to happen to square the face. When someone harps on timing that’s what I think of. I would think “being in sync” would be a better term but to each their own.