How do you keep the club head outside the hands on the way back?

[cardoustie]

hands in helped me dramatically

 

Also, keep pressure on left thumb with right heel pad, oldie but goodie

[KMeloney]

hands in helped me dramatically

 

Also, keep pressure on left thumb with right heel pad, oldie but goodie

 

Maybe it goes without saying, but you're adding wrist hinge with the hands going it (that's the part about pressure on the thumb to leverage the club up), yes? Otherwise, the club head can just go inside with the hands, too.

 

I'm in need of the "up" component.

[Jasonic]

hands in helped me dramatically

 

Also, keep pressure on left thumb with right heel pad, oldie but goodie

 

Maybe it goes without saying, but you're adding wrist hinge with the hands going it (that's the part about pressure on the thumb to leverage the club up), yes? Otherwise, the club head can just go inside with the hands, too.

 

I'm in need of the "up" component.

 

Hinge your hands up (not back) as you turn back. Club will stay in front if you

[The Pearl]

Most who get the clubhead behind ear don't have their arms work IN enough. They try to fix it by arms going out to be more in front of them and only causes more arm rotation and the club getting too flat. The way the hands stay inside the clubhead is they work IN during the takeaway.

 

Is it possible to work the hands too far inside?

[iteachgolf]

Most who get the clubhead behind ear don't have their arms work IN enough. They try to fix it by arms going out to be more in front of them and only causes more arm rotation and the club getting too flat. The way the hands stay inside the clubhead is they work IN during the takeaway.

 

Is it possible to work the hands too far inside?

 

Possible? Yes. Exponentially more likely to be opposite

[trilerian]

My instructor pointed out my inside takeaway on video. I would basically push my hands away from me while rotating the club behind me. To me this felt like a push away and wrist set, but it was definitely no such thing. Now I try to turn, then hinge up, instead of rotating my forearms.

[getitdaily]

Easiest way I learned this was to do the following:

 

WHILE swinging the club back

PUSH down on the handle with the pad of the left hand

GENTLY PULL UP on the handle handle with the right index finger

 

Another thing to look out for is posture. If you're too uptight then the tendency is to swing flat and inside. Getting more "bent over" the ball will allow a steeper backswing.

[The Pearl]

Most who get the clubhead behind ear don't have their arms work IN enough. They try to fix it by arms going out to be more in front of them and only causes more arm rotation and the club getting too flat. The way the hands stay inside the clubhead is they work IN during the takeaway.

 

Is it possible to work the hands too far inside?

 

Possible? Yes. Exponentially more likely to be opposite

 

Thanks for the reply.

[Nickc]

Some possible drills maybe:

The "lighthouse drill".

Monte also had a drill where you raise arms in front of you and c0ck the wrists to make club vertical and then do your backswing turn /pivot keeping the arm triangle which puts you in "perfect" top of the backswing position.

Or am i on the wrong track re the op problem.

[CB67]

The hinging of the wrists and pushing away as you rotate your shoulders and hips in the back swing is scratching the surface of what Jim Waldron talks about in the arm swing illusion if I'm not mistaken?

 

When I'm having issues with my take away I try to remember and remind myself to feel as if im cocking the wrists and pushing the arms away at a 45 degree angle as I turn my shoulders and hips in the take away.

[Obee]

Just do this! ;-)

 

[Jasonic]

Just do this! ;-)

 

 

That or Rickie fowlers’ old takeaway!! Ha

[3puttforebogey]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned already but what’s helped me is sticking a tee in the butt of the grip leave it out about an inch. I feel as if I’m trying to brush right thigh with the tee then club starts to work up.

[golfarb1]

keep it simple. think clubface pointed at the ball for as long as you can maintain it into the back swing. generally this swing "fault" is caused by an incorrect pivot off the ball.

 

more in depth description would be, in your takeaway rotate shoulders and arms in unison maintaining connection. should feel like club head is in line with your sternum for the first foot or so. as long as you have proper weight transfer into your trail foot the club head should theoretically be in line with your hands at hip height and be on plane moving back.

 

good drill is placing a ball behind the club head while hitting shots on the range. if you can push the ball straight backwards in your takeaway it should help remedy things quite a bit. if the ball moves inside the target line that means you are fanning the club open and moving inside on your takeaway. vice versa if the ball ends up outside of the target line.

expanding upon your idea.

Place a box of a dozen balls directly behind the club and sweep the box straight back.The weight of the dozen golf balls will prevent you from rolling your hands/wrists/forearms

 

And do not forget about "Scottish Lag" ala Jason Dufner.Notice that the club head and hands are both in line with his right leg going back.

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[chigolfer1]

Sorry if already mentioned but this is one of those things that is easily done in front of a mirror. In fact, you can spend as long as you need trying this out with really no need for a camera, etc. until you get the right feel. And I guarantee you when you first start doing it "right" as verified by your reflection you'll say no way can this feel so wrong, yet look exactly right. As for the correction, I'm guessing you're fanning the club back behind you by rolling your forearms. I would try to keep both arms straight and, as another poster said, feel like you're keeping your trail arm "on top" of your other arm.

[MK7Golf21]

Some possible drills maybe:

The "lighthouse drill".

Monte also had a drill where you raise arms in front of you and c0ck the wrists to make club vertical and then do your backswing turn /pivot keeping the arm triangle which puts you in "perfect" top of the backswing position.

Or am i on the wrong track re the op problem.

 

Problem with that is you don't swing this way so it doesn't really help much.

[hobbes928]

I found this video helped.

[iteachgolf]

Split grip swings can help. Encourages arms to work in and clubhead to work up

[KMeloney]

I found this video helped.

 

The video incorporates a lot of the various recommendations made here, including a one-piece takeaway/arms stay straight initially, hands in, and right hand staying on top. Good stuff!

[KMeloney]

Split grip swings can help. Encourages arms to work in and clubhead to work up

 

Dan -- I just tried this. It feel like it will be very effective. But I also don't know if I am doing it correctly.

 

What kind of space do you put between your hands? And at what point back do you begin to fold the right elbow? (The leveraging up of the shaft -- from the right elbow bending -- really gives good feedback in the left hand of the wrist(s) hinging.)

[SirFuego]

I've always brought the club back too far inside, but I've also had a lot of tension in my swing. My instructor has more recently been helping me to remove tension in my swing -- and by doing so, my backswing kind of fixed itself.

 

My instructor (securely) taped a 1lb weight to the end of a shaft. He handed it to me and told me to "toss" the club back (but still hold onto it) so that I don't feel the weight of club until it gets to the top of the backswing. Sure enough if I take the club back too far inside or try to "lift" the club (which is the way I started to overcompensate for an inside takeaway), I can feel the weight of the club throughout the backswing. When I "toss" the club back correctly, it feels almost weightless. When you look at the motion I'm making, the club is actually outside my hands in the takeaway.

 

FWIW, the feeling for me to do it correctly is to start the backswing using my upper back muscle between my spine and trail shoulder blade. Then after a few inches, I "help" the momentum a bit by "tossing" the club with my hands in that same direction.

[iteachgolf]

Split grip swings can help. Encourages arms to work in and clubhead to work up

 

Dan -- I just tried this. It feel like it will be very effective. But I also don't know if I am doing it correctly.

 

What kind of space do you put between your hands? And at what point back do you begin to fold the right elbow? (The leveraging up of the shaft -- from the right elbow bending -- really gives good feedback in the left hand of the wrist(s) hinging.)

 

Right arm will gradually fold after first foot or two back. 2-4” between hands. Greater the space the more it’ll exaggerate the opposite over arms over rotated And no set

[KMeloney]

Split grip swings can help. Encourages arms to work in and clubhead to work up

 

Dan -- I just tried this. It feel like it will be very effective. But I also don't know if I am doing it correctly.

 

What kind of space do you put between your hands? And at what point back do you begin to fold the right elbow? (The leveraging up of the shaft -- from the right elbow bending -- really gives good feedback in the left hand of the wrist(s) hinging.)

 

Right arm will gradually fold after first foot or two back. 2-4" between hands. Greater the space the more it'll exaggerate the opposite over arms over rotated And no set

 

Great. Sounds like I am doing it correctly. Thank you.

[DLev45]

Bumping an old thread because I am currently working on fixing the arms-out/wrist-roll inside issue in my own swing and was looking for positive affirmation.

I am feeling like my hands go in a straight line from my address position to my right (trail) pants pocket, almost like I am going to hit my right hip with the butt of the club, while keeping my trail arm higher than my lead arm to this point, and then going up.

I have actually found this to be counter-intuitive, which is why I have spent my 3 years playing golf doing it incorrectly and am now trying to pick up the pieces. In my mind, knowing that I have an inside takeaway with the wrist/forearm roll whipping the club inside, I always thought "why would I ever WANT my hands to feel like they move inside initially? That is surely to exacerbate the problem." When in reality, it appears to be the opposite. If the hands stay out and DON'T come inside, the club head will.

 

[rdangelo1077]

I feel ya. I've got the mirror set up in the basement and spend at least 10 minutes rehearsing this thinking how can it feel like this but look like that. After a couple of days it started feeling better. The hands will definitely feel way inside if you've been doing the opposite.

I think the hardest part for me was thinking that if the head stayed outside of the hands the club would be across the line when in fact its nearly impossible to do this without some sort of manipulation. I don't have a huge backswing so at the top it even looks a little laid off. I'm getting to the point where going back is feeling good but have to start feeling the transition down as normal which is just as odd feeling now.

 

[A.Princey]

Maybe do some exaggerated waggling of the clubhead to the outside, pre-shot, and get that feeling when you actually take the clubhead back.

[wybrh]

There are some amazing responses and drills in this thread. I'll offer another thought from someone who fights this problem in what seems like a never ending battle....

 

This affects me most when my hips are tight. I often mistake whipping the club inside and rotating forearms as turning when in reality, my hips and body hardly turn.

[FormerBigDaddy]

Just wanted to bump this thread. Been working on getting club outside my hands going back and reversing the inside to steep pattern I’ve had forever. Been making progress but that thumbs up video is excellent. 

[Tax77]

Faldo drill is the one that got me sending the club up and in sync with my core. Give it a shot.