WRXers Scratch Amateur Tournaments Thread: Commitments, Results, etc....

[gioguy21]

putting is one of if not the only thing in my game i KNOW will show up as long as i keep grinding.

 

with regards to reading breaks and whatnot -- think+ had it covered. you have to have the ability to read it, trust it and then let it happen...and then accept the results.

 

i've never had issues with READING the green -- but more often then not it's being confident in the pace of the putt while i'm over it. i've realized that i am 99% confident in the line -- but making sure it's on the right pace FOR that line is the tougher part of the equation for me. this obviously gets easier as you play greens that are more and more consistent (such as in tournaments); but even then you could have to pay attention to the firmness of the green walking under foot, especially later in the day in case the greens are getting a bit quicker on you; and learning to adapt mid-round.

 

 

[ThinkingPlus]

> @Obee said:

> I wish I was close. Would love to watch your routine/stroke.

>

> > @ThinkingPlus said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @Obee said:

> > > > How much faster were the greens than what you typically play?

> > >

> > > Eh. I’d guess around a foot and a half to possibly 2 feet on downhill putts More than speed it was subtle breaks. ( champion Bermuda). One putt would have a touch of grain influence and the next would look the same and just be dead straight. I don’t know how many I lined up on the lip and rolled over that mark without breaking. Hard to say how much was speed influenced. Some did go 3 ft by, so less speed may have died in the hole ? Don’t know. I ended the round with a 8 ft birdie putt , down hill slightly with what appeared to me like a cup of right to left. Came off a slope from a bunker. I breathed on it and hit my line which was one ball outside right. It finished 1 ball outside right dead even with the cup. I’d have bet my bag of clubs that putt moved left. And if I hit it any softer it doesn’t get there. Was just a lot of that all day. Straight putts for me are just tough. I don’t trust straight. I don’t see it.

> >

> > Reading greens: my Achilles heel as well. Hardest aspect of putting and too little attention paid to it IMO. Subtle breaks are the hardest to read. Competing slopes with no obvious break, yet you know it is going to move. I have been living this dream for awhile.

>

>

 

I use a line on the ball. My stroke isn't all that pretty, but... I pretty much roll the ball end over end with a non-wobbly line. Not perfect, not always, but I don't seem to miss alot of putts because of really bad strokes or mis-hits. I have used the line on the ball for a long time as feedback for how well I make a stroke vs. read vs. bumpy greens. My bad strokes occur typically when I am really confused over the read or the path to the hole is really bumpy. I think my subconscious arrives at a putting solution which is the null set and I just can't pull the trigger. I make more putts and longer putts during tournaments. I think this is because the greens are so much purer than my home course.

[bladehunter]

> @gioguy21 said:

> putting is one of if not the only thing in my game i KNOW will show up as long as i keep grinding.

>

> with regards to reading breaks and whatnot -- think+ had it covered. you have to have the ability to read it, trust it and then let it happen...and then accept the results.

>

> i've never had issues with READING the green -- but more often then not it's being confident in the pace of the putt while i'm over it. i've realized that i am 99% confident in the line -- but making sure it's on the right pace FOR that line is the tougher part of the equation for me. this obviously gets easier as you play greens that are more and more consistent (such as in tournaments); but even then you could have to pay attention to the firmness of the green walking under foot, especially later in the day in case the greens are getting a bit quicker on you; and learning to adapt mid-round.

>

>

 

Interesting, I actually feel opposite. I am confident in speed. And struggle sometimes with green that aren’t really very undulating. Flatter the green the more I struggle. ( yesterday ). No doubt because my home course doesn’t have a flat putt on it. So every putt then is a speed putt. As in multiple lines it can go in. Just pick correct speed . For this reason most of my made putts die in the hole. As in heart attack until they drop . You can’t ram putts in on my home greens. They will make you look foolish.

[bladehunter]

> @ThinkingPlus said:

> > @Obee said:

> > I wish I was close. Would love to watch your routine/stroke.

> >

> > > @ThinkingPlus said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @Obee said:

> > > > > How much faster were the greens than what you typically play?

> > > >

> > > > Eh. I’d guess around a foot and a half to possibly 2 feet on downhill putts More than speed it was subtle breaks. ( champion Bermuda). One putt would have a touch of grain influence and the next would look the same and just be dead straight. I don’t know how many I lined up on the lip and rolled over that mark without breaking. Hard to say how much was speed influenced. Some did go 3 ft by, so less speed may have died in the hole ? Don’t know. I ended the round with a 8 ft birdie putt , down hill slightly with what appeared to me like a cup of right to left. Came off a slope from a bunker. I breathed on it and hit my line which was one ball outside right. It finished 1 ball outside right dead even with the cup. I’d have bet my bag of clubs that putt moved left. And if I hit it any softer it doesn’t get there. Was just a lot of that all day. Straight putts for me are just tough. I don’t trust straight. I don’t see it.

> > >

> > > Reading greens: my Achilles heel as well. Hardest aspect of putting and too little attention paid to it IMO. Subtle breaks are the hardest to read. Competing slopes with no obvious break, yet you know it is going to move. I have been living this dream for awhile.

> >

> >

>

> I use a line on the ball. My stroke isn't all that pretty, but... I pretty much roll the ball end over end with a non-wobbly line. Not perfect, not always, but I don't seem to miss alot of putts because of really bad strokes or mis-hits. I have used the line on the ball for a long time as feedback for how well I make a stroke vs. read vs. bumpy greens. My bad strokes occur typically when I am really confused over the read or the path to the hole is really bumpy. I think my subconscious arrives at a putting solution which is the null set and I just can't pull the trigger. I make more putts and longer putts during tournaments. I think this is because the greens are so much purer than my home course.

 

And I get that too. I’ve tried a line many times. And can only use it on two instances. A 3/4 footer that breaks hard across the hole. Or a dead straight putt. Give me a 12 footer that breaks a foot and it actually crippples me. It’s like I can’t judge the speed anymore thinking about the line. It erases my “ feel” for the speed. If that makes any sense?

[gioguy21]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > putting is one of if not the only thing in my game i KNOW will show up as long as i keep grinding.

> >

> > with regards to reading breaks and whatnot -- think+ had it covered. you have to have the ability to read it, trust it and then let it happen...and then accept the results.

> >

> > i've never had issues with READING the green -- but more often then not it's being confident in the pace of the putt while i'm over it. i've realized that i am 99% confident in the line -- but making sure it's on the right pace FOR that line is the tougher part of the equation for me. this obviously gets easier as you play greens that are more and more consistent (such as in tournaments); but even then you could have to pay attention to the firmness of the green walking under foot, especially later in the day in case the greens are getting a bit quicker on you; and learning to adapt mid-round.

> >

> >

>

> Interesting, I actually feel opposite. I am confident in speed. And struggle sometimes with green that aren’t really very undulating. Flatter the green the more I struggle. ( yesterday ). No doubt because my home course doesn’t have a flat putt on it. So every putt then is a speed putt. As in multiple lines it can go in. Just pick correct speed . For this reason most of my made putts die in the hole. As in heart attack until they drop . You can’t ram putts in on my home greens. They will make you look foolish.

 

when it comes to reading greens, i usually do a walk around the entire putt; see where the fall lines are, look for grain, etc. then, once i have a snapshot of what it COULD do...i walk near or along my line and break it up into as many segments as needed to determine a full picture of the break. ie, if it breaks just once -- i find the 'flat' line to the hole and that is about where the apex SHOULD be; or if it is a multi-breaker i will see where i have to start it, where it want it to go before it takes the second break, etc.

 

it's a tricky topic for sure b/c we don't all see things the same way.

[bladehunter]

Side notes as I dissect the round.

 

1. I had 34 total putts.

2. Par 5s I went 2 over. 3 pars and a double ( 3 putt after a missed layup shot went behind a tree ).

I normally rely on averaging -2 on par 5s due to how many I hit in 2 and 2 putt for birdies. All of these par 5s except 1 required a layup off the tee unless you cold hit a quick high draw with driver. So it was 3 wood to the dogleg on 3 of them. And that’s from the back tee. Pitiful design in my opinion. But I digress. Lol. The one I could hit driver on I hit driver / 5 iron in and 3 putted for par. Sorry if this isn’t helpful to anyone else. But I’m just seeing how much I live off of par 5 scoring and putter.

 

 

[bladehunter]

> @gioguy21 said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > putting is one of if not the only thing in my game i KNOW will show up as long as i keep grinding.

> > >

> > > with regards to reading breaks and whatnot -- think+ had it covered. you have to have the ability to read it, trust it and then let it happen...and then accept the results.

> > >

> > > i've never had issues with READING the green -- but more often then not it's being confident in the pace of the putt while i'm over it. i've realized that i am 99% confident in the line -- but making sure it's on the right pace FOR that line is the tougher part of the equation for me. this obviously gets easier as you play greens that are more and more consistent (such as in tournaments); but even then you could have to pay attention to the firmness of the green walking under foot, especially later in the day in case the greens are getting a bit quicker on you; and learning to adapt mid-round.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Interesting, I actually feel opposite. I am confident in speed. And struggle sometimes with green that aren’t really very undulating. Flatter the green the more I struggle. ( yesterday ). No doubt because my home course doesn’t have a flat putt on it. So every putt then is a speed putt. As in multiple lines it can go in. Just pick correct speed . For this reason most of my made putts die in the hole. As in heart attack until they drop . You can’t ram putts in on my home greens. They will make you look foolish.

>

> when it comes to reading greens, i usually do a walk around the entire putt; see where the fall lines are, look for grain, etc. then, once i have a snapshot of what it COULD do...i walk near or along my line and break it up into as many segments as needed to determine a full picture of the break. ie, if it breaks just once -- i find the 'flat' line to the hole and that is about where the apex SHOULD be; or if it is a multi-breaker i will see where i have to start it, where it want it to go before it takes the second break, etc.

>

> it's a tricky topic for sure b/c we don't all see things the same way.

Oh for sure. And I’m not at all questioning anyone’s method. Just trying to perfect my own.

 

Big difference I see off the bat is the walk around etc. I’m by nature a fast player. I can’t tell you that I’ve ever walked around a putt. I usually try to read it from they fairway as I walk up , then look for grain and then behind as I wait my turn. When I its my turn I’ll hit it within 20 seconds tops. I’m the same for full shots. I’ll see the shape and walk in and send it.

[gioguy21]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > putting is one of if not the only thing in my game i KNOW will show up as long as i keep grinding.

> > > >

> > > > with regards to reading breaks and whatnot -- think+ had it covered. you have to have the ability to read it, trust it and then let it happen...and then accept the results.

> > > >

> > > > i've never had issues with READING the green -- but more often then not it's being confident in the pace of the putt while i'm over it. i've realized that i am 99% confident in the line -- but making sure it's on the right pace FOR that line is the tougher part of the equation for me. this obviously gets easier as you play greens that are more and more consistent (such as in tournaments); but even then you could have to pay attention to the firmness of the green walking under foot, especially later in the day in case the greens are getting a bit quicker on you; and learning to adapt mid-round.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Interesting, I actually feel opposite. I am confident in speed. And struggle sometimes with green that aren’t really very undulating. Flatter the green the more I struggle. ( yesterday ). No doubt because my home course doesn’t have a flat putt on it. So every putt then is a speed putt. As in multiple lines it can go in. Just pick correct speed . For this reason most of my made putts die in the hole. As in heart attack until they drop . You can’t ram putts in on my home greens. They will make you look foolish.

> >

> > when it comes to reading greens, i usually do a walk around the entire putt; see where the fall lines are, look for grain, etc. then, once i have a snapshot of what it COULD do...i walk near or along my line and break it up into as many segments as needed to determine a full picture of the break. ie, if it breaks just once -- i find the 'flat' line to the hole and that is about where the apex SHOULD be; or if it is a multi-breaker i will see where i have to start it, where it want it to go before it takes the second break, etc.

> >

> > it's a tricky topic for sure b/c we don't all see things the same way.

> Oh for sure. And I’m not at all questioning anyone’s method. Just trying to perfect my own.

>

> Big difference I see off the bat is the walk around etc. I’m by nature a fast player. I can’t tell you that I’ve ever walked around a putt. I usually try to read it from they fairway as I walk up , then look for grain and then behind as I wait my turn. When I its my turn I’ll hit it within 20 seconds tops. I’m the same for full shots. I’ll see the shape and walk in and send it.

 

i'm a fast player as well -- but i'd rather be quick everywhere but the green; after all - the putt makes the rest of the work worthwhile.

[Obee]

 

I am a VERY fast player tee to green. When I get to the green, though, I'm in a bubble. ALL i care about is making the damn putt — and a huge part of making putts is grinding on the line, PERIOD.

 

And it doesn't have to take very long. You can do much of it while others are getting ready to putt.

 

I play with a group who finishes in 3 1/2 to 3 hours and 45 minutes, most of the guys walking. You do not need to worry about slowing play down. It is not an either/or scenario.

 

 

> @bladehunter said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > putting is one of if not the only thing in my game i KNOW will show up as long as i keep grinding.

> > > >

> > > > with regards to reading breaks and whatnot -- think+ had it covered. you have to have the ability to read it, trust it and then let it happen...and then accept the results.

> > > >

> > > > i've never had issues with READING the green -- but more often then not it's being confident in the pace of the putt while i'm over it. i've realized that i am 99% confident in the line -- but making sure it's on the right pace FOR that line is the tougher part of the equation for me. this obviously gets easier as you play greens that are more and more consistent (such as in tournaments); but even then you could have to pay attention to the firmness of the green walking under foot, especially later in the day in case the greens are getting a bit quicker on you; and learning to adapt mid-round.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Interesting, I actually feel opposite. I am confident in speed. And struggle sometimes with green that aren’t really very undulating. Flatter the green the more I struggle. ( yesterday ). No doubt because my home course doesn’t have a flat putt on it. So every putt then is a speed putt. As in multiple lines it can go in. Just pick correct speed . For this reason most of my made putts die in the hole. As in heart attack until they drop . You can’t ram putts in on my home greens. They will make you look foolish.

> >

> > when it comes to reading greens, i usually do a walk around the entire putt; see where the fall lines are, look for grain, etc. then, once i have a snapshot of what it COULD do...i walk near or along my line and break it up into as many segments as needed to determine a full picture of the break. ie, if it breaks just once -- i find the 'flat' line to the hole and that is about where the apex SHOULD be; or if it is a multi-breaker i will see where i have to start it, where it want it to go before it takes the second break, etc.

> >

> > it's a tricky topic for sure b/c we don't all see things the same way.

> Oh for sure. And I’m not at all questioning anyone’s method. Just trying to perfect my own.

>

> Big difference I see off the bat is the walk around etc. I’m by nature a fast player. I can’t tell you that I’ve ever walked around a putt. I usually try to read it from they fairway as I walk up , then look for grain and then behind as I wait my turn. When I its my turn I’ll hit it within 20 seconds tops. I’m the same for full shots. I’ll see the shape and walk in and send it.

 

 

[bladehunter]

> @Obee said:

>

> I am a VERY fast player tee to green. When I get to the green, though, I'm in a bubble. ALL i care about is making the **** putt — and a huge part of making putts is grinding on the line, PERIOD.

>

> And it doesn't have to take very long. You can do much of it while others are getting ready to putt.

>

> I play with a group who finishes in 3 1/2 to 3 hours and 45 minutes, most of the guys walking. You do not need to worry about slowing play down. It is not an either/or scenario.

>

>

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > putting is one of if not the only thing in my game i KNOW will show up as long as i keep grinding.

> > > > >

> > > > > with regards to reading breaks and whatnot -- think+ had it covered. you have to have the ability to read it, trust it and then let it happen...and then accept the results.

> > > > >

> > > > > i've never had issues with READING the green -- but more often then not it's being confident in the pace of the putt while i'm over it. i've realized that i am 99% confident in the line -- but making sure it's on the right pace FOR that line is the tougher part of the equation for me. this obviously gets easier as you play greens that are more and more consistent (such as in tournaments); but even then you could have to pay attention to the firmness of the green walking under foot, especially later in the day in case the greens are getting a bit quicker on you; and learning to adapt mid-round.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Interesting, I actually feel opposite. I am confident in speed. And struggle sometimes with green that aren’t really very undulating. Flatter the green the more I struggle. ( yesterday ). No doubt because my home course doesn’t have a flat putt on it. So every putt then is a speed putt. As in multiple lines it can go in. Just pick correct speed . For this reason most of my made putts die in the hole. As in heart attack until they drop . You can’t ram putts in on my home greens. They will make you look foolish.

> > >

> > > when it comes to reading greens, i usually do a walk around the entire putt; see where the fall lines are, look for grain, etc. then, once i have a snapshot of what it COULD do...i walk near or along my line and break it up into as many segments as needed to determine a full picture of the break. ie, if it breaks just once -- i find the 'flat' line to the hole and that is about where the apex SHOULD be; or if it is a multi-breaker i will see where i have to start it, where it want it to go before it takes the second break, etc.

> > >

> > > it's a tricky topic for sure b/c we don't all see things the same way.

> > Oh for sure. And I’m not at all questioning anyone’s method. Just trying to perfect my own.

> >

> > Big difference I see off the bat is the walk around etc. I’m by nature a fast player. I can’t tell you that I’ve ever walked around a putt. I usually try to read it from they fairway as I walk up , then look for grain and then behind as I wait my turn. When I its my turn I’ll hit it within 20 seconds tops. I’m the same for full shots. I’ll see the shape and walk in and send it.

>

>

 

Yea. I get that. Wasn’t really saying either or. Just pointing out what I do. And might need to rethink.

 

I guess as a fragile putter , last thing I want is to be known as the guy who takes forever and makes nothing. And no that’s not my final word. Just thinking out loud. That’s a mental Hangup I have to get around. I hate to be a bother or in anyone’s way.

[Obee]

This was a huge mind-shift for me. Once I realized that putting was completely and totally a **game unto itself**, that was my catalyst for change for the better.

 

> @gioguy21 said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > putting is one of if not the only thing in my game i KNOW will show up as long as i keep grinding.

> > > > >

> > > > > with regards to reading breaks and whatnot -- think+ had it covered. you have to have the ability to read it, trust it and then let it happen...and then accept the results.

> > > > >

> > > > > i've never had issues with READING the green -- but more often then not it's being confident in the pace of the putt while i'm over it. i've realized that i am 99% confident in the line -- but making sure it's on the right pace FOR that line is the tougher part of the equation for me. this obviously gets easier as you play greens that are more and more consistent (such as in tournaments); but even then you could have to pay attention to the firmness of the green walking under foot, especially later in the day in case the greens are getting a bit quicker on you; and learning to adapt mid-round.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Interesting, I actually feel opposite. I am confident in speed. And struggle sometimes with green that aren’t really very undulating. Flatter the green the more I struggle. ( yesterday ). No doubt because my home course doesn’t have a flat putt on it. So every putt then is a speed putt. As in multiple lines it can go in. Just pick correct speed . For this reason most of my made putts die in the hole. As in heart attack until they drop . You can’t ram putts in on my home greens. They will make you look foolish.

> > >

> > > when it comes to reading greens, i usually do a walk around the entire putt; see where the fall lines are, look for grain, etc. then, once i have a snapshot of what it COULD do...i walk near or along my line and break it up into as many segments as needed to determine a full picture of the break. ie, if it breaks just once -- i find the 'flat' line to the hole and that is about where the apex SHOULD be; or if it is a multi-breaker i will see where i have to start it, where it want it to go before it takes the second break, etc.

> > >

> > > it's a tricky topic for sure b/c we don't all see things the same way.

> > Oh for sure. And I’m not at all questioning anyone’s method. Just trying to perfect my own.

> >

> > Big difference I see off the bat is the walk around etc. I’m by nature a fast player. I can’t tell you that I’ve ever walked around a putt. I usually try to read it from they fairway as I walk up , then look for grain and then behind as I wait my turn. When I its my turn I’ll hit it within 20 seconds tops. I’m the same for full shots. I’ll see the shape and walk in and send it.

>

> i'm a fast player as well -- but i'd rather be quick everywhere but the green; after all - the putt makes the rest of the work worthwhile.

 

 

[gioguy21]

> @Obee said:

> This was a huge mind-shift for me. Once I realized that putting was completely and totally a **game unto itself**, that was my catalyst for change for the better.

>

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > putting is one of if not the only thing in my game i KNOW will show up as long as i keep grinding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with regards to reading breaks and whatnot -- think+ had it covered. you have to have the ability to read it, trust it and then let it happen...and then accept the results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i've never had issues with READING the green -- but more often then not it's being confident in the pace of the putt while i'm over it. i've realized that i am 99% confident in the line -- but making sure it's on the right pace FOR that line is the tougher part of the equation for me. this obviously gets easier as you play greens that are more and more consistent (such as in tournaments); but even then you could have to pay attention to the firmness of the green walking under foot, especially later in the day in case the greens are getting a bit quicker on you; and learning to adapt mid-round.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Interesting, I actually feel opposite. I am confident in speed. And struggle sometimes with green that aren’t really very undulating. Flatter the green the more I struggle. ( yesterday ). No doubt because my home course doesn’t have a flat putt on it. So every putt then is a speed putt. As in multiple lines it can go in. Just pick correct speed . For this reason most of my made putts die in the hole. As in heart attack until they drop . You can’t ram putts in on my home greens. They will make you look foolish.

> > > >

> > > > when it comes to reading greens, i usually do a walk around the entire putt; see where the fall lines are, look for grain, etc. then, once i have a snapshot of what it COULD do...i walk near or along my line and break it up into as many segments as needed to determine a full picture of the break. ie, if it breaks just once -- i find the 'flat' line to the hole and that is about where the apex SHOULD be; or if it is a multi-breaker i will see where i have to start it, where it want it to go before it takes the second break, etc.

> > > >

> > > > it's a tricky topic for sure b/c we don't all see things the same way.

> > > Oh for sure. And I’m not at all questioning anyone’s method. Just trying to perfect my own.

> > >

> > > Big difference I see off the bat is the walk around etc. I’m by nature a fast player. I can’t tell you that I’ve ever walked around a putt. I usually try to read it from they fairway as I walk up , then look for grain and then behind as I wait my turn. When I its my turn I’ll hit it within 20 seconds tops. I’m the same for full shots. I’ll see the shape and walk in and send it.

> >

> > i'm a fast player as well -- but i'd rather be quick everywhere but the green; after all - the putt makes the rest of the work worthwhile.

>

>

 

yessir -- my mindset changed awhile back to break up the hole -- 1) what gets me to the fairway (even if it means i have a 7-5i left for my second shot into a par 4, etc) 2) how can i get on in reg 3) how can i make as few putts as possible

[bladehunter]

> @gioguy21 said:

> > @Obee said:

> > This was a huge mind-shift for me. Once I realized that putting was completely and totally a **game unto itself**, that was my catalyst for change for the better.

> >

> > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > > putting is one of if not the only thing in my game i KNOW will show up as long as i keep grinding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with regards to reading breaks and whatnot -- think+ had it covered. you have to have the ability to read it, trust it and then let it happen...and then accept the results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i've never had issues with READING the green -- but more often then not it's being confident in the pace of the putt while i'm over it. i've realized that i am 99% confident in the line -- but making sure it's on the right pace FOR that line is the tougher part of the equation for me. this obviously gets easier as you play greens that are more and more consistent (such as in tournaments); but even then you could have to pay attention to the firmness of the green walking under foot, especially later in the day in case the greens are getting a bit quicker on you; and learning to adapt mid-round.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Interesting, I actually feel opposite. I am confident in speed. And struggle sometimes with green that aren’t really very undulating. Flatter the green the more I struggle. ( yesterday ). No doubt because my home course doesn’t have a flat putt on it. So every putt then is a speed putt. As in multiple lines it can go in. Just pick correct speed . For this reason most of my made putts die in the hole. As in heart attack until they drop . You can’t ram putts in on my home greens. They will make you look foolish.

> > > > >

> > > > > when it comes to reading greens, i usually do a walk around the entire putt; see where the fall lines are, look for grain, etc. then, once i have a snapshot of what it COULD do...i walk near or along my line and break it up into as many segments as needed to determine a full picture of the break. ie, if it breaks just once -- i find the 'flat' line to the hole and that is about where the apex SHOULD be; or if it is a multi-breaker i will see where i have to start it, where it want it to go before it takes the second break, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > it's a tricky topic for sure b/c we don't all see things the same way.

> > > > Oh for sure. And I’m not at all questioning anyone’s method. Just trying to perfect my own.

> > > >

> > > > Big difference I see off the bat is the walk around etc. I’m by nature a fast player. I can’t tell you that I’ve ever walked around a putt. I usually try to read it from they fairway as I walk up , then look for grain and then behind as I wait my turn. When I its my turn I’ll hit it within 20 seconds tops. I’m the same for full shots. I’ll see the shape and walk in and send it.

> > >

> > > i'm a fast player as well -- but i'd rather be quick everywhere but the green; after all - the putt makes the rest of the work worthwhile.

> >

> >

>

> yessir -- my mindset changed awhile back to break up the hole -- 1) what gets me to the fairway (even if it means i have a 7-5i left for my second shot into a par 4, etc) 2) how can i get on in reg 3) how can i make as few putts as possible

 

Now see guys. I’m 3/4 of the way there. I already think of the game just like that. Putting though . How do you break through the idea between “ make as few putts as possible “ and actually making 1 putts? I guess what I’m trying to say is , I don’t feel like I gave less than 100 .% on any putt , so with that logic , that was the fewest possible putts. Again. I’m not arguing. I’m trying to truly understand. I feel like I’m lying to myself when I say “ well you could have made more putts if “...... if a bull frog had wings. I want to make more putts. Not continue to lie to myself and “ hope” I make more putts.

 

Now. I could definitely spend more time walking around the green. And I’ll try just that. I guess what I’m saying is I’m still perplexed as to why I can’t just practice my way out of this ? Like I’ve always done with the rest of the game. As in “ blocking my driver today “ well 20 balls and I’ve performed a tune up and back to straight bombs “.

 

With putter. It’s just same old crap. I kept track over the last month. And I average 2 hours a day ( 15 min or so intervals ) on my putting green at home. Every spare minute I putt. I have competitions with my son etc. never just rolling same putt over and over. I have 4 cups on a 16x40 foot half moon shaped green. So all sorts of breaks etc. 2 different pga pros ( one master pro) have complimented on my stroke during play. So it can’t be so horrible. I’m convinced that it’s all eye sight with setup. Some days I see the line and some days I’m totally blind over the ball. My wife runs an eye surgeons office. Her docs say my eyes are perfect as far as vision.

 

I’ll shut up now as Ive wound myself up. Lol

 

Parting question. How many putts a round do you guys/gal average ? How many 1 putts over 3 ft ? Very curious.

[Obee]

Lots to say here.

 

Will respond later...

 

> @bladehunter said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @Obee said:

> > > This was a huge mind-shift for me. Once I realized that putting was completely and totally a **game unto itself**, that was my catalyst for change for the better.

> > >

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > > > putting is one of if not the only thing in my game i KNOW will show up as long as i keep grinding.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with regards to reading breaks and whatnot -- think+ had it covered. you have to have the ability to read it, trust it and then let it happen...and then accept the results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i've never had issues with READING the green -- but more often then not it's being confident in the pace of the putt while i'm over it. i've realized that i am 99% confident in the line -- but making sure it's on the right pace FOR that line is the tougher part of the equation for me. this obviously gets easier as you play greens that are more and more consistent (such as in tournaments); but even then you could have to pay attention to the firmness of the green walking under foot, especially later in the day in case the greens are getting a bit quicker on you; and learning to adapt mid-round.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Interesting, I actually feel opposite. I am confident in speed. And struggle sometimes with green that aren’t really very undulating. Flatter the green the more I struggle. ( yesterday ). No doubt because my home course doesn’t have a flat putt on it. So every putt then is a speed putt. As in multiple lines it can go in. Just pick correct speed . For this reason most of my made putts die in the hole. As in heart attack until they drop . You can’t ram putts in on my home greens. They will make you look foolish.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > when it comes to reading greens, i usually do a walk around the entire putt; see where the fall lines are, look for grain, etc. then, once i have a snapshot of what it COULD do...i walk near or along my line and break it up into as many segments as needed to determine a full picture of the break. ie, if it breaks just once -- i find the 'flat' line to the hole and that is about where the apex SHOULD be; or if it is a multi-breaker i will see where i have to start it, where it want it to go before it takes the second break, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it's a tricky topic for sure b/c we don't all see things the same way.

> > > > > Oh for sure. And I’m not at all questioning anyone’s method. Just trying to perfect my own.

> > > > >

> > > > > Big difference I see off the bat is the walk around etc. I’m by nature a fast player. I can’t tell you that I’ve ever walked around a putt. I usually try to read it from they fairway as I walk up , then look for grain and then behind as I wait my turn. When I its my turn I’ll hit it within 20 seconds tops. I’m the same for full shots. I’ll see the shape and walk in and send it.

> > > >

> > > > i'm a fast player as well -- but i'd rather be quick everywhere but the green; after all - the putt makes the rest of the work worthwhile.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > yessir -- my mindset changed awhile back to break up the hole -- 1) what gets me to the fairway (even if it means i have a 7-5i left for my second shot into a par 4, etc) 2) how can i get on in reg 3) how can i make as few putts as possible

>

> Now see guys. I’m 3/4 of the way there. I already think of the game just like that. Putting though . How do you break through the idea between “ make as few putts as possible “ and actually making 1 putts? I guess what I’m trying to say is , I don’t feel like I gave less than 100 .% on any putt , so with that logic , that was the fewest possible putts. Again. I’m not arguing. I’m trying to truly understand. I feel like I’m lying to myself when I say “ well you could have made more putts if “...... if a bull frog had wings. I want to make more putts. Not continue to lie to myself and “ hope” I make more putts.

>

> Now. I could definitely spend more time walking around the green. And I’ll try just that. I guess what I’m saying is I’m still perplexed as to why I can’t just practice my way out of this ? Like I’ve always done with the rest of the game. As in “ blocking my driver today “ well 20 balls and I’ve performed a tune up and back to straight bombs “.

>

> With putter. It’s just same old crap. I kept track over the last month. And I average 2 hours a day ( 15 min or so intervals ) on my putting green at home. Every spare minute I putt. I have competitions with my son etc. never just rolling same putt over and over. I have 4 cups on a 16x40 foot half moon shaped green. So all sorts of breaks etc. 2 different pga pros ( one master pro) have complimented on my stroke during play. So it can’t be so horrible. I’m convinced that it’s all eye sight with setup. Some days I see the line and some days I’m totally blind over the ball. My wife runs an eye surgeons office. Her docs say my eyes are perfect as far as vision.

>

> I’ll shut up now as Ive wound myself up. Lol

>

> Parting question. How many putts a round do you guys average ? How many 1 putts over 3 ft ? Very curious.

 

 

[gioguy21]

**> @bladehunter said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @Obee said:

> > > This was a huge mind-shift for me. Once I realized that putting was completely and totally a **game unto itself**, that was my catalyst for change for the better.

> > >

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > > > putting is one of if not the only thing in my game i KNOW will show up as long as i keep grinding.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with regards to reading breaks and whatnot -- think+ had it covered. you have to have the ability to read it, trust it and then let it happen...and then accept the results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i've never had issues with READING the green -- but more often then not it's being confident in the pace of the putt while i'm over it. i've realized that i am 99% confident in the line -- but making sure it's on the right pace FOR that line is the tougher part of the equation for me. this obviously gets easier as you play greens that are more and more consistent (such as in tournaments); but even then you could have to pay attention to the firmness of the green walking under foot, especially later in the day in case the greens are getting a bit quicker on you; and learning to adapt mid-round.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Interesting, I actually feel opposite. I am confident in speed. And struggle sometimes with green that aren’t really very undulating. Flatter the green the more I struggle. ( yesterday ). No doubt because my home course doesn’t have a flat putt on it. So every putt then is a speed putt. As in multiple lines it can go in. Just pick correct speed . For this reason most of my made putts die in the hole. As in heart attack until they drop . You can’t ram putts in on my home greens. They will make you look foolish.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > when it comes to reading greens, i usually do a walk around the entire putt; see where the fall lines are, look for grain, etc. then, once i have a snapshot of what it COULD do...i walk near or along my line and break it up into as many segments as needed to determine a full picture of the break. ie, if it breaks just once -- i find the 'flat' line to the hole and that is about where the apex SHOULD be; or if it is a multi-breaker i will see where i have to start it, where it want it to go before it takes the second break, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it's a tricky topic for sure b/c we don't all see things the same way.

> > > > > Oh for sure. And I’m not at all questioning anyone’s method. Just trying to perfect my own.

> > > > >

> > > > > Big difference I see off the bat is the walk around etc. I’m by nature a fast player. I can’t tell you that I’ve ever walked around a putt. I usually try to read it from they fairway as I walk up , then look for grain and then behind as I wait my turn. When I its my turn I’ll hit it within 20 seconds tops. I’m the same for full shots. I’ll see the shape and walk in and send it.

> > > >

> > > > i'm a fast player as well -- but i'd rather be quick everywhere but the green; after all - the putt makes the rest of the work worthwhile.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > yessir -- my mindset changed awhile back to break up the hole -- 1) what gets me to the fairway (even if it means i have a 7-5i left for my second shot into a par 4, etc) 2) how can i get on in reg 3) how can i make as few putts as possible

>

> Now see guys. I’m 3/4 of the way there. I already think of the game just like that. Putting though . How do you break through the idea between “ make as few putts as possible “ and actually making 1 putts? I guess what I’m trying to say is , I don’t feel like I gave less than 100 .% on any putt , so with that logic , that was the fewest possible putts. Again. I’m not arguing. I’m trying to truly understand. I feel like I’m lying to myself when I say “ well you could have made more putts if “...... if a bull frog had wings. I want to make more putts. Not continue to lie to myself and “ hope” I make more putts.

>

> Now. I could definitely spend more time walking around the green. And I’ll try just that. I guess what I’m saying is I’m still perplexed as to why I can’t just practice my way out of this ? Like I’ve always done with the rest of the game. As in “ blocking my driver today “ well 20 balls and I’ve performed a tune up and back to straight bombs “.

>

> With putter. It’s just same old crap. I kept track over the last month. And I average 2 hours a day ( 15 min or so intervals ) on my putting green at home. Every spare minute I putt. I have competitions with my son etc. never just rolling same putt over and over. I have 4 cups on a 16x40 foot half moon shaped green. So all sorts of breaks etc. 2 different pga pros ( one master pro) have complimented on my stroke during play. So it can’t be so horrible. I’m convinced that it’s all eye sight with setup. Some days I see the line and some days I’m totally blind over the ball. My wife runs an eye surgeons office. Her docs say my eyes are perfect as far as vision.

>

> I’ll shut up now as Ive wound myself up. Lol

>

> Parting question. How many putts a round do you guys/gal average ? How many 1 putts over 3 ft ? Very curious.

 

this season i'm averaging 1.67 per hole, 1.83 per GIR; however, i haven't kept all rounds in golfshot so, take that with a grain of sand. i would be supremely confident to say i average between 28-30 putts per round.

 

as for how many 1 putts over 3'...i don't keep my stats THAT tight; but lets just say that i have no issues bangin in 5'ers or less and miss them wayyyy less than i make them. **

[bladehunter]

> @gioguy21 said:

> **> @bladehunter said:

> > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > @Obee said:

> > > > This was a huge mind-shift for me. Once I realized that putting was completely and totally a **game unto itself**, that was my catalyst for change for the better.

> > > >

> > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > > > > putting is one of if not the only thing in my game i KNOW will show up as long as i keep grinding.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with regards to reading breaks and whatnot -- think+ had it covered. you have to have the ability to read it, trust it and then let it happen...and then accept the results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i've never had issues with READING the green -- but more often then not it's being confident in the pace of the putt while i'm over it. i've realized that i am 99% confident in the line -- but making sure it's on the right pace FOR that line is the tougher part of the equation for me. this obviously gets easier as you play greens that are more and more consistent (such as in tournaments); but even then you could have to pay attention to the firmness of the green walking under foot, especially later in the day in case the greens are getting a bit quicker on you; and learning to adapt mid-round.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Interesting, I actually feel opposite. I am confident in speed. And struggle sometimes with green that aren’t really very undulating. Flatter the green the more I struggle. ( yesterday ). No doubt because my home course doesn’t have a flat putt on it. So every putt then is a speed putt. As in multiple lines it can go in. Just pick correct speed . For this reason most of my made putts die in the hole. As in heart attack until they drop . You can’t ram putts in on my home greens. They will make you look foolish.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > when it comes to reading greens, i usually do a walk around the entire putt; see where the fall lines are, look for grain, etc. then, once i have a snapshot of what it COULD do...i walk near or along my line and break it up into as many segments as needed to determine a full picture of the break. ie, if it breaks just once -- i find the 'flat' line to the hole and that is about where the apex SHOULD be; or if it is a multi-breaker i will see where i have to start it, where it want it to go before it takes the second break, etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it's a tricky topic for sure b/c we don't all see things the same way.

> > > > > > Oh for sure. And I’m not at all questioning anyone’s method. Just trying to perfect my own.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Big difference I see off the bat is the walk around etc. I’m by nature a fast player. I can’t tell you that I’ve ever walked around a putt. I usually try to read it from they fairway as I walk up , then look for grain and then behind as I wait my turn. When I its my turn I’ll hit it within 20 seconds tops. I’m the same for full shots. I’ll see the shape and walk in and send it.

> > > > >

> > > > > i'm a fast player as well -- but i'd rather be quick everywhere but the green; after all - the putt makes the rest of the work worthwhile.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > yessir -- my mindset changed awhile back to break up the hole -- 1) what gets me to the fairway (even if it means i have a 7-5i left for my second shot into a par 4, etc) 2) how can i get on in reg 3) how can i make as few putts as possible

> >

> > Now see guys. I’m 3/4 of the way there. I already think of the game just like that. Putting though . How do you break through the idea between “ make as few putts as possible “ and actually making 1 putts? I guess what I’m trying to say is , I don’t feel like I gave less than 100 .% on any putt , so with that logic , that was the fewest possible putts. Again. I’m not arguing. I’m trying to truly understand. I feel like I’m lying to myself when I say “ well you could have made more putts if “...... if a bull frog had wings. I want to make more putts. Not continue to lie to myself and “ hope” I make more putts.

> >

> > Now. I could definitely spend more time walking around the green. And I’ll try just that. I guess what I’m saying is I’m still perplexed as to why I can’t just practice my way out of this ? Like I’ve always done with the rest of the game. As in “ blocking my driver today “ well 20 balls and I’ve performed a tune up and back to straight bombs “.

> >

> > With putter. It’s just same old crap. I kept track over the last month. And I average 2 hours a day ( 15 min or so intervals ) on my putting green at home. Every spare minute I putt. I have competitions with my son etc. never just rolling same putt over and over. I have 4 cups on a 16x40 foot half moon shaped green. So all sorts of breaks etc. 2 different pga pros ( one master pro) have complimented on my stroke during play. So it can’t be so horrible. I’m convinced that it’s all eye sight with setup. Some days I see the line and some days I’m totally blind over the ball. My wife runs an eye surgeons office. Her docs say my eyes are perfect as far as vision.

> >

> > I’ll shut up now as Ive wound myself up. Lol

> >

> > Parting question. How many putts a round do you guys/gal average ? How many 1 putts over 3 ft ? Very curious.

>

> this season i'm averaging 1.67 per hole, 1.83 per GIR; however, i haven't kept all rounds in golfshot so, take that with a grain of sand. i would be supremely confident to say i average between 28-30 putts per round.

>

> as for how many 1 putts over 3'...i don't keep my stats THAT tight; but lets just say that i have no issues bangin in 5'ers or less and miss them wayyyy less than i make them. **

 

Well. That made me think of another question. 6-10 footers. How many of those do you make ? Reason I ask is I have a theory that there are several type players at the scratch level. One being the guy that makes 95% of 6-10 footers. No matter what they are for. He usually doesn’t hit it that tight maybe a couple times a round. But he takes advantage.

 

And then another type. The guy who doesn’t make many from that length and yet a lot of the time scores due to ballstriking. Hitting par 5s in two and 3 putt avoidance is this guys bread and butter. But he hits a lot of shots inside 15 ft every round.

 

I ran up on the first guy yesterday in my group. He charged back to make a string of birdies and par putts on the back to clip me. And I waited for him to find his ball or hit his 3rd shot into par 5s almost every hole. While my ball is in the fairway and on the green most every hole. ( I hit 11 fairways yesterday )

My point. - does a person need to identify what type player he is ? As in order to gauge what a reasonable expectation is , does it matter what type player you are. And if so how many classifications are there ? ( aggressive , conservative , short game wizard , plotter , etc etc )

 

I just came off the practice green where a mentor who tries hard to help me slapped me on the head and said “ I told you to roll the ball until ....l” meaning I’m impatient. True statement. I’m a problem solver by nature. And with that is a really impatient personality. So I guess I’ll stop derailing this thread and wait. lol ?‍♂️ For that 27 putt round.

[Whiskey_fire]

Well myself and my playing partner have won our spring league. 2 man best ball. “Yes my first name is Whitney, I know it’s a girls name lol “

 

[ThinkingPlus]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @Obee said:

> > > This was a huge mind-shift for me. Once I realized that putting was completely and totally a **game unto itself**, that was my catalyst for change for the better.

> > >

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > > > putting is one of if not the only thing in my game i KNOW will show up as long as i keep grinding.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with regards to reading breaks and whatnot -- think+ had it covered. you have to have the ability to read it, trust it and then let it happen...and then accept the results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i've never had issues with READING the green -- but more often then not it's being confident in the pace of the putt while i'm over it. i've realized that i am 99% confident in the line -- but making sure it's on the right pace FOR that line is the tougher part of the equation for me. this obviously gets easier as you play greens that are more and more consistent (such as in tournaments); but even then you could have to pay attention to the firmness of the green walking under foot, especially later in the day in case the greens are getting a bit quicker on you; and learning to adapt mid-round.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Interesting, I actually feel opposite. I am confident in speed. And struggle sometimes with green that aren’t really very undulating. Flatter the green the more I struggle. ( yesterday ). No doubt because my home course doesn’t have a flat putt on it. So every putt then is a speed putt. As in multiple lines it can go in. Just pick correct speed . For this reason most of my made putts die in the hole. As in heart attack until they drop . You can’t ram putts in on my home greens. They will make you look foolish.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > when it comes to reading greens, i usually do a walk around the entire putt; see where the fall lines are, look for grain, etc. then, once i have a snapshot of what it COULD do...i walk near or along my line and break it up into as many segments as needed to determine a full picture of the break. ie, if it breaks just once -- i find the 'flat' line to the hole and that is about where the apex SHOULD be; or if it is a multi-breaker i will see where i have to start it, where it want it to go before it takes the second break, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it's a tricky topic for sure b/c we don't all see things the same way.

> > > > > Oh for sure. And I’m not at all questioning anyone’s method. Just trying to perfect my own.

> > > > >

> > > > > Big difference I see off the bat is the walk around etc. I’m by nature a fast player. I can’t tell you that I’ve ever walked around a putt. I usually try to read it from they fairway as I walk up , then look for grain and then behind as I wait my turn. When I its my turn I’ll hit it within 20 seconds tops. I’m the same for full shots. I’ll see the shape and walk in and send it.

> > > >

> > > > i'm a fast player as well -- but i'd rather be quick everywhere but the green; after all - the putt makes the rest of the work worthwhile.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > yessir -- my mindset changed awhile back to break up the hole -- 1) what gets me to the fairway (even if it means i have a 7-5i left for my second shot into a par 4, etc) 2) how can i get on in reg 3) how can i make as few putts as possible

>

> Now see guys. I’m 3/4 of the way there. I already think of the game just like that. Putting though . How do you break through the idea between “ make as few putts as possible “ and actually making 1 putts? I guess what I’m trying to say is , I don’t feel like I gave less than 100 .% on any putt , so with that logic , that was the fewest possible putts. Again. I’m not arguing. I’m trying to truly understand. I feel like I’m lying to myself when I say “ well you could have made more putts if “...... if a bull frog had wings. I want to make more putts. Not continue to lie to myself and “ hope” I make more putts.

>

> Now. I could definitely spend more time walking around the green. And I’ll try just that. I guess what I’m saying is I’m still perplexed as to why I can’t just practice my way out of this ? Like I’ve always done with the rest of the game. As in “ blocking my driver today “ well 20 balls and I’ve performed a tune up and back to straight bombs “.

>

> With putter. It’s just same old crap. I kept track over the last month. And I average 2 hours a day ( 15 min or so intervals ) on my putting green at home. Every spare minute I putt. I have competitions with my son etc. never just rolling same putt over and over. I have 4 cups on a 16x40 foot half moon shaped green. So all sorts of breaks etc. 2 different pga pros ( one master pro) have complimented on my stroke during play. So it can’t be so horrible. I’m convinced that it’s all eye sight with setup. Some days I see the line and some days I’m totally blind over the ball. My wife runs an eye surgeons office. Her docs say my eyes are perfect as far as vision.

>

> I’ll shut up now as Ive wound myself up. Lol

>

> Parting question. How many putts a round do you guys/gal average ? How many 1 putts over 3 ft ? Very curious.

 

So when I hit lots of greens (12 or more) I avg low 30s number of putts. I drop into the high 20s on less stellar ball striking days. Low putts ever was 23 a couple of times.

[Obee]

Come on, BH! You can't just throw out something like: "...the guy that makes 95% of 6 - 10 footers" and get away with it. Not with me in the thread!!! ;-)

 

Nobody makes even **close** to 95% of 6 - 10 footers. There are guys who make a really good percentage of 6 footers (60 - 70%), but every 6-inches or so you add to a putt decreases the chance you will make it. The fact that you could even jokingly throw out a stat like that shows that you have some inherent misconceptions about putting. You need to get rid of those.

 

PGA Tour Average from 10 feet is about 40%. **FORTY PERCENT**!

 

You need to stop sweating it when you miss a 10 footer. You just need to a) give yourself as many of them for birdie as possible; and b) pitch/chip/lag to inside 40-inches(?) very frequently if you want to get your average putts per round under 30 (which you CAN do, by the way).

 

Just found this. Good stuff from Sabrina Naccarato: (source: https://www.golftec.com/blog/2017/09/golf-stats-pga-tour-putting-averages/)

 

_"PGA Tour players – THE BEST GOLFERS IN THE WORLD – make nearly 30 percent more putts from 3 feet compared to 6 feet.

 

That means if these players hit all 18 greens and lag each putt to 6 feet instead of 3 feet, they’ll basically three-putt five or six times instead of zero. (In other words, they’ll miss nearly one-third of their putts from 6 feet compared to virtually none from 3 feet.)

 

Of course they DON’T tend to lag it to 6 feet from the hole, which is illustrated with the 2-foot, 4-inch “approach putt” stat and the final stat listed above, 3-Putt Avoidance <25′, that shows just how deft their skill is at lagging it close from long distances.

 

The point is that even the world’s best would three-putt often if they didn’t lag it close, so we can see how vitally important solid lag putting is to keeping those extra putts at bay."_

 

Finally, if you are truly committed to becoming a solid tournament player: Start keeping a) your tournament-only scoring average and handicap, and b) your tournament only stats.

 

I kept my putting stats for about 40 rounds up until a few months ago. Averages:

 

Scoring Average: 73.5

Putts Per Round: 28.98

GIR Average: 10.4

Putts per GIR: 1.82

3-putt average per round: 0.50 (I average one 3-putt every other round).

3-putt avoidance: 2.77% (this would put me about 80th on Tour, last year)

 

Stats are what they are. They can be a real eye opener if you keep them religiously and without ego. I rarely hit a par-5 in two nowadays, and I miss more greens now than I ever have. When I was younger and hit 12+ greens per round (on a modest 72.0/132 country club course), I averaged about 29.5 putts per round, and I was nowhere near as good a putter as I am now.

 

You got this, BH. Enter your stats for your 81 and move on to the next one. Patterns will emerge that will show you what you REALLY need to work on as a tournament player. :-)

 

> @bladehunter said:

 

>

> Well. That made me think of another question. 6-10 footers. How many of those do you make ? Reason I ask is I have a theory that there are several type players at the scratch level. One being the guy that makes 95% of 6-10 footers. No matter what they are for. He usually doesn’t hit it that tight maybe a couple times a round. But he takes advantage.

>

> And then another type. The guy who doesn’t make many from that length and yet a lot of the time scores due to ballstriking. Hitting par 5s in two and 3 putt avoidance is this guys bread and butter. But he hits a lot of shots inside 15 ft every round.

>

> I ran up on the first guy yesterday in my group. He charged back to make a string of birdies and par putts on the back to clip me. And I waited for him to find his ball or hit his 3rd shot into par 5s almost every hole. While my ball is in the fairway and on the green most every hole. ( I hit 11 fairways yesterday )

> My point. - does a person need to identify what type player he is ? As in order to gauge what a reasonable expectation is , does it matter what type player you are. And if so how many classifications are there ? ( aggressive , conservative , short game wizard , plotter , etc etc )

>

> I just came off the practice green where a mentor who tries hard to help me slapped me on the head and said “ I told you to roll the ball until ....l” meaning I’m impatient. True statement. I’m a problem solver by nature. And with that is a really impatient personality. So I guess I’ll stop derailing this thread and wait. lol ?‍♂️ For that 27 putt round.

 

 

[MtlJeff]

I haven't posted in this thread, mostly because i hadn't played competitive golf for a couple of years after the birth of my daughter.

 

Anyway, this year i wanted to get back to it at least in a small way, playing a few things but not a ton. I play at one of the top 8 clubs in Quebec and we have our interclub tournament coming up in 2 weeks. We are in one of the top brackets as mentioned.....I played really well in our qualifying , which included some low 70's and an under-par 71. I am playing as my team's #1 seed in the event.....I'm a little nervous as i've been out of it for a couple of years as mentioned, and the top spot in these events tends to be dominated by 18yr olds on scholarships (at least in the top brackets). I'm just going to give it my best but i'm guessing ill be an underdog

 

I'm also the #2 seed in my club's match play championship based on qualifying we did for that. And that starts in a few weeks.

 

So i'm not doing a ton of stuff, but it's nice to be back

[Shades234]

> Just found this. Good stuff from Sabrina Naccarato: (source: https://www.golftec.com/blog/2017/09/golf-stats-pga-tour-putting-averages/)

 

I like that 3-putt game in the video. I'm going to play that tomorrow.

 

To address BH's question about categorizing your game into a WoW style class of plodder, aggressive, etc... I don't think that's very productive. I have never given it much thought before today and I don't see any benefit from assigning yourself a class. If you want to be a [night elf mohawk](

"night elf mohawk"), go ahead, but that doesn't change the fact that you still have to put your ball on that tee peg and make a good strike. Thinking of yourself of aggressive or passive shouldn't effect the cost benefit analysis that you have to make every time you pull a club for your next shot. That decision should be driven by experience and results, not whether you're feeling particularly frisky that morning. If I haven't been driving the ball well in practice, I'm not taking driver when there's trouble right (my miss is a push fade w/ driver). I'll lay back with a 3w and have a mid iron into the green and take my 2-putt par.

 

That being said, practice rounds are different than competitive rounds. If you're out there by yourself and working on something, you should be pushing your limits and trying different shots. However, when I play a tournament, I've started forcing myself to not try shots that I haven't tried before or worked on in practice. Sometimes I can't avoid it, but the best example right for me right now is on par 3's. If the pin is set on the right side in a perfect spot to fade the ball in, I'll aim at the flag and play my draw. I don't have enough reps in practice to hit that fade with any certainty. I'll accept middle or left side of the green and 2 putt rather than stand over my ball subconsciously thinking, "I hope this works."

 

As far as putting goes, I'm also not sure how important it is to strive for the magic 30 putts per round number. I agree that it's a good general number to compare yourself to, but it doesn't factor in your round as a whole. I like to look at my birdie conversion percentage from inside of 10' and number of 3-putts. If I'm converting > 50% of those birdie looks and have a 0 or 1 in the 3-putt column I'm generally happy with my putting that day.

[bladehunter]

> @Obee said:

> Come on, BH! You can't just throw out something like: "...the guy that makes 95% of 6 - 10 footers" and get away with it. Not with me in the thread!!! ;-)

>

> Nobody makes even **close** to 95% of 6 - 10 footers. There are guys who make a really good percentage of 6 footers (60 - 70%), but every 6-inches or so you add to a putt decreases the chance you will make it. The fact that you could even jokingly throw out a stat like that shows that you have some inherent misconceptions about putting. You need to get rid of those.

>

> PGA Tour Average from 10 feet is about 40%. **FORTY PERCENT**!

>

> You need to stop sweating it when you miss a 10 footer. You just need to a) give yourself as many of them for birdie as possible; and b) pitch/chip/lag to inside 40-inches(?) very frequently if you want to get your average putts per round under 30 (which you CAN do, by the way).

>

> Just found this. Good stuff from Sabrina Naccarato: (source: https://www.golftec.com/blog/2017/09/golf-stats-pga-tour-putting-averages/)

>

> _"PGA Tour players – THE BEST GOLFERS IN THE WORLD – make nearly 30 percent more putts from 3 feet compared to 6 feet.

>

> That means if these players hit all 18 greens and lag each putt to 6 feet instead of 3 feet, they’ll basically three-putt five or six times instead of zero. (In other words, they’ll miss nearly one-third of their putts from 6 feet compared to virtually none from 3 feet.)

>

> Of course they DON’T tend to lag it to 6 feet from the hole, which is illustrated with the 2-foot, 4-inch “approach putt” stat and the final stat listed above, 3-Putt Avoidance <25′, that shows just how deft their skill is at lagging it close from long distances.

>

> The point is that even the world’s best would three-putt often if they didn’t lag it close, so we can see how vitally important solid lag putting is to keeping those extra putts at bay."_

>

> Finally, if you are truly committed to becoming a solid tournament player: Start keeping a) your tournament-only scoring average and handicap, and b) your tournament only stats.

>

> I kept my putting stats for about 40 rounds up until a few months ago. Averages:

>

> Scoring Average: 73.5

> Putts Per Round: 28.98

> GIR Average: 10.4

> Putts per GIR: 1.82

> 3-putt average per round: 0.50 (I average one 3-putt every other round).

> 3-putt avoidance: 2.77% (this would put me about 80th on Tour, last year)

>

> Stats are what they are. They can be a real eye opener if you keep them religiously and without ego. I rarely hit a par-5 in two nowadays, and I miss more greens now than I ever have. When I was younger and hit 12+ greens per round (on a modest 72.0/132 country club course), I averaged about 29.5 putts per round, and I was nowhere near as good a putter as I am now.

>

> You got this, BH. Enter your stats for your 81 and move on to the next one. Patterns will emerge that will show you what you REALLY need to work on as a tournament player. :-)

>

> > @bladehunter said:

>

> >

> > Well. That made me think of another question. 6-10 footers. How many of those do you make ? Reason I ask is I have a theory that there are several type players at the scratch level. One being the guy that makes 95% of 6-10 footers. No matter what they are for. He usually doesn’t hit it that tight maybe a couple times a round. But he takes advantage.

> >

> > And then another type. The guy who doesn’t make many from that length and yet a lot of the time scores due to ballstriking. Hitting par 5s in two and 3 putt avoidance is this guys bread and butter. But he hits a lot of shots inside 15 ft every round.

> >

> > I ran up on the first guy yesterday in my group. He charged back to make a string of birdies and par putts on the back to clip me. And I waited for him to find his ball or hit his 3rd shot into par 5s almost every hole. While my ball is in the fairway and on the green most every hole. ( I hit 11 fairways yesterday )

> > My point. - does a person need to identify what type player he is ? As in order to gauge what a reasonable expectation is , does it matter what type player you are. And if so how many classifications are there ? ( aggressive , conservative , short game wizard , plotter , etc etc )

> >

> > I just came off the practice green where a mentor who tries hard to help me slapped me on the head and said “ I told you to roll the ball until ....l” meaning I’m impatient. True statement. I’m a problem solver by nature. And with that is a really impatient personality. So I guess I’ll stop derailing this thread and wait. lol ?‍♂️ For that 27 putt round.

>

>

 

Lol. Well first off. All that was phrased as a question. Not a statement. And you know I’m prone to hyperbole. I just play with guys who it seems never miss a 6 footer. I mean never. But I guess that’s just perception. And you can see how it would seem that way to a guy who just went 0-11 or more accurately 0-15 counting par up and downs. Hard to see it any other way. But again. I’m just frustrated with me. I’m not trying to argue with anyone. I know I’m in a different place as far as tournament play mentally. I am very comfortable now. I’ve just got to figure out how to get it in the hole. And during small events , club events etc I’ve been doing that. I’ve won 5 Saturday dogfights at home this spring and that included 4 guys from Monday’s field including two who qualified and one being the kid who shot 66. So my mind knows I can compete with them. I’m only saying that to show that if I backed up those 5 events and added in the 81 I’ve got a spring scoring average of 73. But I also know that A gross club event at home isn’t quite the same. What I’m trying to understand is how and why there’s a gap in scoring to bridge. And I’ve also considered that it’s just a bad day that I need to forget. And if I knew that was it i could do it. But I’m gunshy from all the scaring from last year. And yet I know I’m not the same tournament player I was last year. I didn’t have a hint of a nervous twitch with any club this time. And this was by far the biggest thing I’ve played in.

 

I hear you on the stats. And I’m doing just that from Monday forward. I think this is a must so that I don’t lie to myself as I had been doing yet again. When I told you before that I had my putting figured out , I believe that. But in hindsight what I had done was turn off 3 putts. I still wasn’t scoring. Just not giving as many away.

 

I have my County Am 3 day championship next weekend Friday through Sunday. It’s on a course I know well. A course that I can use my length on too. ( Carolina CC) so it’s going to boil down to putting again I feel like.

 

 

[bladehunter]

> @Shades234 said:

> > Just found this. Good stuff from Sabrina Naccarato: (source: https://www.golftec.com/blog/2017/09/golf-stats-pga-tour-putting-averages/)

>

> I like that 3-putt game in the video. I'm going to play that tomorrow.

>

> To address BH's question about categorizing your game into a WoW style class of plodder, aggressive, etc... I don't think that's very productive. I have never given it much thought before today and I don't see any benefit from assigning yourself a class. If you want to be a [night elf mohawk](

"night elf mohawk"), go ahead, but that doesn't change the fact that you still have to put your ball on that tee peg and make a good strike. Thinking of yourself of aggressive or passive shouldn't effect the cost benefit analysis that you have to make every time you pull a club for your next shot. That decision should be driven by experience and results, not whether you're feeling particularly frisky that morning. If I haven't been driving the ball well in practice, I'm not taking driver when there's trouble right (my miss is a push fade w/ driver). I'll lay back with a 3w and have a mid iron into the green and take my 2-putt par.

>

> That being said, practice rounds are different than competitive rounds. If you're out there by yourself and working on something, you should be pushing your limits and trying different shots. However, when I play a tournament, I've started forcing myself to not try shots that I haven't tried before or worked on in practice. Sometimes I can't avoid it, but the best example right for me right now is on par 3's. If the pin is set on the right side in a perfect spot to fade the ball in, I'll aim at the flag and play my draw. I don't have enough reps in practice to hit that fade with any certainty. I'll accept middle or left side of the green and 2 putt rather than stand over my ball subconsciously thinking, "I hope this works."

>

> As far as putting goes, I'm also not sure how important it is to strive for the magic 30 putts per round number. I agree that it's a good general number to compare yourself to, but it doesn't factor in your round as a whole. I like to look at my birdie conversion percentage from inside of 10' and number of 3-putts. If I'm converting > 50% of those birdie looks and have a 0 or 1 in the 3-putt column I'm generally happy with my putting that day.

 

 

And I’d agree with that last part for sure. If I could count on 50% makes from 10 ft and on and had a 0 or 1 for 3 putts. We wouldn’t be discussing this. Lol. And I might have qualified or missed by 1.

 

Issue is. I score most rounds by 2 putt birdies on par 5s and hitting short irons and wedges tight. I get 4-5 birdies a round this way. When that doesn’t come we see what Happens. What I want to know is which is normal. And by your statement I assume making putts is the normal route. Not scoring the way I’ve been having to do it.

[rich_s2]

Obee, curious on your thoughts. Last night I hit 9/9 greens in reg. Closest putt was 6' which I made. Next closest was 10' and most were 15-20. I had 18 putts. Now this is not typical but my GIR % lately is very good. If a person could hit every green, what do you think is a good target # of putts on difficult greens. These greens are also HUGE. I think that plays a part in the GIR for me but also hurts the total # of putts.

[gioguy21]

> @"rich s" said:

> Obee, curious on your thoughts. Last night I hit 9/9 greens in reg. Closest putt was 6' which I made. Next closest was 10' and most were 15-20. I had 18 putts. Now this is not typical but my GIR % lately is very good. If a person could hit every green, what do you think is a good target # of putts on difficult greens. These greens are also HUGE. I think that plays a part in the GIR for me but also hurts the total # of putts.

 

Rich - if you want to know about percentage to make -- look to the PGA tour stats; and use some realistic comparisons to determine YOUR make percentage. truth is - you could hit 18/18 greens but if every putt is outside 20' -- most people would be lucky to make 1 of those in a round.

 

i had this discussion with a kid that i used to mentor and coach b/c he was getting frustrated with hitting a ton of greens but coming up short with regards to birdie make percentage. i advised him that if you're hitting a ton of greens - the goal then is to tighten up your dispersion or change your course management to setup your best chances at making birdies by getting closer to the hole; more often.

 

green difficulty is tricky b/c more often than not, even in tourneys; the powers that be will not give you a bunch of tough pins. rather the opposite, they will give you easier pins if you are capable of hitting a given shot into the green; and getting close enough to reasonably expect to make the putt.

 

i know this is long winded but, sometimes breaking down a 'tough' green is as simple as finding the spot you're MOST likely to 2 putt, and then gauging your risk off of that to determine how much you want to take on to get closer to the hole. sometimes it's as simple as realizing that there are some greens that accepting a 2 putt, regardless of distance is the best play. there are always holes left on the course that are less-risky to get close and try and make birdie.

[rich_s2]

> @gioguy21 said:

> > @"rich s" said:

> > Obee, curious on your thoughts. Last night I hit 9/9 greens in reg. Closest putt was 6' which I made. Next closest was 10' and most were 15-20. I had 18 putts. Now this is not typical but my GIR % lately is very good. If a person could hit every green, what do you think is a good target # of putts on difficult greens. These greens are also HUGE. I think that plays a part in the GIR for me but also hurts the total # of putts.

>

> Rich - if you want to know about percentage to make -- look to the PGA tour stats; and use some realistic comparisons to determine YOUR make percentage. truth is - you could hit 18/18 greens but if every putt is outside 20' -- most people would be lucky to make 1 of those in a round.

>

> i had this discussion with a kid that i used to mentor and coach b/c he was getting frustrated with hitting a ton of greens but coming up short with regards to birdie make percentage. i advised him that if you're hitting a ton of greens - the goal then is to tighten up your dispersion or change your course management to setup your best chances at making birdies by getting closer to the hole; more often.

>

> green difficulty is tricky b/c more often than not, even in tourneys; the powers that be will not give you a bunch of tough pins. rather the opposite, they will give you easier pins if you are capable of hitting a given shot into the green; and getting close enough to reasonably expect to make the putt.

>

> i know this is long winded but, sometimes breaking down a 'tough' green is as simple as finding the spot you're MOST likely to 2 putt, and then gauging your risk off of that to determine how much you want to take on to get closer to the hole. sometimes it's as simple as realizing that there are some greens that accepting a 2 putt, regardless of distance is the best play. there are always holes left on the course that are less-risky to get close and try and make birdie.

 

My game has improved at a very rapid rate this year. A big part of that is due to knowing where to miss on the greens. I've played a lot of courses now and these greens are as hard as they come from my experience. I tell myself to take the 20' uphill over the 8' downhill. This gives me a lot of those 15-25' putts. This was fine when I was a 6 but I think if I want to hit scratch I have to get closer to the pin. A good example is twice on the same hole this year in a tournament, I had a 5' downhill putt. Very slippery, same location and about identical putts. Both I rolled past 8' and barely touched them. Both ended in 3 putts. If I had been 20' below the hole I would have 2 putted both more than likely. I'm trying to find the balance and figure out if I need to focus on proximity to the hole or putting. I like to nail the low hanging fruit and then move on rather than tackling two things at the same time. I have a short game lesson with the guy that sets these crazy pins tonight. He is an animal around the greens. I will pick his brain. Really appreciate the input!!

[Obee]

> @"rich s" said:

> Obee, curious on your thoughts. Last night I hit 9/9 greens in reg. Closest putt was 6' which I made. Next closest was 10' and most were 15-20. I had 18 putts. Now this is not typical but my GIR % lately is very good. If a person could hit every green, what do you think is a good target # of putts on difficult greens. These greens are also HUGE. I think that plays a part in the GIR for me but also hurts the total # of putts.

 

It's not at all uncommon for miss every single one of your 15 - 20 foot putts in a round -- even if you have a bunch of them. That's just golf and the percentages of putting. Let's say you have 10 of them in a round AND you also tend to slightly underestimate the distance of your putts. So you estimate that you have putts of these lengths:

 

18

20

17

16

19

20

20

15

17

18

 

But in reality, they are:

 

19

21

18.5

18

20

22

16

19

19

 

Then your average make percentage is somewhere around 12%(?). And that's IF you are as good a putter as the average PGA Tour pro. And of course, you could take a chance at something with a 12% probability of occurring and have it NOT occur ten times in a row. Plenty of times.

 

For the rest of the stuff, read GioGuy above. Good stuff. Very "Decade" by Scott Fawcett (which is just the right way to play golf, IMHO).

 

The only really way to know how well you putt compared to the best putters in the world is to be meticulous about your putting stats -- which includes being meticulous (and quite accurate) about estimating your putt lengths.

 

Most people miss a lot of 4.5 to 6-foot putts that IN THEIR MIND are 3-footers. 3 feet, when you really put the ball down and use a measuring stick feels like a gimme when you're putting well. I'm not talking about YOU, necessarily, just about putting, in general. :-)

[Insidious2]

> @Obee said:

> > @"rich s" said:

> > Obee, curious on your thoughts. Last night I hit 9/9 greens in reg. Closest putt was 6' which I made. Next closest was 10' and most were 15-20. I had 18 putts. Now this is not typical but my GIR % lately is very good. If a person could hit every green, what do you think is a good target # of putts on difficult greens. These greens are also HUGE. I think that plays a part in the GIR for me but also hurts the total # of putts.

>

> It's not at all uncommon for miss every single one of your 15 - 20 foot putts in a round -- even if you have a bunch of them. That's just golf and the percentages of putting. Let's say you have 10 of them in a round AND you also tend to slightly underestimate the distance of your putts. So you estimate that you have putts of these lengths:

>

> 18

> 20

> 17

> 16

> 19

> 20

> 20

> 15

> 17

> 18

>

> But in reality, they are:

>

> 19

> 21

> 18.5

> 18

> 20

> 22

> 16

> 19

> 19

>

> Then your average make percentage is somewhere around 12%(?). And that's IF you are as good a putter as the average PGA Tour pro. And of course, you could take a chance at something with a 12% probability of occurring and have it NOT occur ten times in a row. Plenty of times.

>

> For the rest of the stuff, read GioGuy above. Good stuff. Very "Decade" by Scott Fawcett (which is just the right way to play golf, IMHO).

>

> The only really way to know how well you putt compared to the best putters in the world is to be meticulous about your putting stats -- which includes being meticulous (and quite accurate) about estimating your putt lengths.

>

> Most people miss a lot of 4.5 to 6-foot putts that IN THEIR MIND are 3-footers. 3 feet, when you really put the ball down and use a measuring stick feels like a gimme when you're putting well. I'm not talking about YOU, necessarily, just about putting, in general. :-)

 

Do you use Decade actively? The regular version or elite?

[Obee]

I've used it my whole life. Before it existed. LOL

 

> @Spongeb0b said:

> > @Obee said:

> > > @"rich s" said:

> > > Obee, curious on your thoughts. Last night I hit 9/9 greens in reg. Closest putt was 6' which I made. Next closest was 10' and most were 15-20. I had 18 putts. Now this is not typical but my GIR % lately is very good. If a person could hit every green, what do you think is a good target # of putts on difficult greens. These greens are also HUGE. I think that plays a part in the GIR for me but also hurts the total # of putts.

> >

> > It's not at all uncommon for miss every single one of your 15 - 20 foot putts in a round -- even if you have a bunch of them. That's just golf and the percentages of putting. Let's say you have 10 of them in a round AND you also tend to slightly underestimate the distance of your putts. So you estimate that you have putts of these lengths:

> >

> > 18

> > 20

> > 17

> > 16

> > 19

> > 20

> > 20

> > 15

> > 17

> > 18

> >

> > But in reality, they are:

> >

> > 19

> > 21

> > 18.5

> > 18

> > 20

> > 22

> > 16

> > 19

> > 19

> >

> > Then your average make percentage is somewhere around 12%(?). And that's IF you are as good a putter as the average PGA Tour pro. And of course, you could take a chance at something with a 12% probability of occurring and have it NOT occur ten times in a row. Plenty of times.

> >

> > For the rest of the stuff, read GioGuy above. Good stuff. Very "Decade" by Scott Fawcett (which is just the right way to play golf, IMHO).

> >

> > The only really way to know how well you putt compared to the best putters in the world is to be meticulous about your putting stats -- which includes being meticulous (and quite accurate) about estimating your putt lengths.

> >

> > Most people miss a lot of 4.5 to 6-foot putts that IN THEIR MIND are 3-footers. 3 feet, when you really put the ball down and use a measuring stick feels like a gimme when you're putting well. I'm not talking about YOU, necessarily, just about putting, in general. :-)

>

> Do you use Decade actively? The regular version or elite?

 

 

[Insidious2]

> @Obee said:

> I've used it my whole life. Before it existed. LOL

>

> > @Spongeb0b said:

> > > @Obee said:

> > > > @"rich s" said:

> > > > Obee, curious on your thoughts. Last night I hit 9/9 greens in reg. Closest putt was 6' which I made. Next closest was 10' and most were 15-20. I had 18 putts. Now this is not typical but my GIR % lately is very good. If a person could hit every green, what do you think is a good target # of putts on difficult greens. These greens are also HUGE. I think that plays a part in the GIR for me but also hurts the total # of putts.

> > >

> > > It's not at all uncommon for miss every single one of your 15 - 20 foot putts in a round -- even if you have a bunch of them. That's just golf and the percentages of putting. Let's say you have 10 of them in a round AND you also tend to slightly underestimate the distance of your putts. So you estimate that you have putts of these lengths:

> > >

> > > 18

> > > 20

> > > 17

> > > 16

> > > 19

> > > 20

> > > 20

> > > 15

> > > 17

> > > 18

> > >

> > > But in reality, they are:

> > >

> > > 19

> > > 21

> > > 18.5

> > > 18

> > > 20

> > > 22

> > > 16

> > > 19

> > > 19

> > >

> > > Then your average make percentage is somewhere around 12%(?). And that's IF you are as good a putter as the average PGA Tour pro. And of course, you could take a chance at something with a 12% probability of occurring and have it NOT occur ten times in a row. Plenty of times.

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> > > For the rest of the stuff, read GioGuy above. Good stuff. Very "Decade" by Scott Fawcett (which is just the right way to play golf, IMHO).

> > >

> > > The only really way to know how well you putt compared to the best putters in the world is to be meticulous about your putting stats -- which includes being meticulous (and quite accurate) about estimating your putt lengths.

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> > > Most people miss a lot of 4.5 to 6-foot putts that IN THEIR MIND are 3-footers. 3 feet, when you really put the ball down and use a measuring stick feels like a gimme when you're putting well. I'm not talking about YOU, necessarily, just about putting, in general. :-)

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> > Do you use Decade actively? The regular version or elite?

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