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On 5/18/2024 at 10:48 AM, Obee said:

As mentioned earlier, pitching has been giving me fits lately and I have been getting a bit ... "yippy." This is especially difficult for me to accept because for the longest time  my game around the greens wasn't just good, it was, at times, stupid good. Oh well. 

 

Hi David,

 

Outside of the "stupid good" part, I feel this in my soul. Yippiness with chips is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I do believe that they are fixable though. Relatively painlessly if you get them early enough. Not a whole lot you can do about the greens when they're like that. 

 

But good luck with everything - I hope you make it in. Sounds like that would be a fun event. And thanks for the rundown - I enjoy reading those 🙂

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51 minutes ago, Ty_Webb said:

 

Hi David,

 

Outside of the "stupid good" part, I feel this in my soul. Yippiness with chips is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I do believe that they are fixable though. Relatively painlessly if you get them early enough. Not a whole lot you can do about the greens when they're like that. 

 

But good luck with everything - I hope you make it in. Sounds like that would be a fun event. And thanks for the rundown - I enjoy reading those 🙂


yes, I seem to have turned the corner. My chipping and pitching is coming back around now two rounds in a row or I am feeling confident and executing very well.

 

Got up and down this yesterday 4 for 4 on pitch shots, and didn't have any nerves over them.

 

The key has been that commitment to either setting it forward in my stance or back—landing it soft or skipping it low and running out. That clarity has really changed things for me. I was "in between," too often, which led to indecision and eventually mechanical breakdown.

 

 

 

 

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yes, I seem to have turned the corner. My chipping and pitching is coming back around now two rounds in a row or I am feeling confident and executing very well.

 

Got up and down this yesterday 4 for 4 on pitch shots, and didn't have any nerves over them.

 

The key has been that commitment to either setting it forward in my stance or back—landing it soft or skipping it low and running out. That clarity has really changed things for me. I was "in between," too often, which led to indecision and eventually mechanical breakdown.

 

 

 

 

 

That lines up with my experience. I think it starts because your club gets in a spot where if you release it properly, it will go either too fast, too left, too right, too high, or too low. Your subconscious knows that so it says "no don't do that" so you don't. Consciously you know you want to release, so you actively try to, but you can't and that results in the yippy feeling. Keep doing that long enough and it gets in your head. If you're in between, I can easily see subconsciously you're at odds with what you want to do, so it won't happen. 

 

I get handle draggy sometimes. Hands ahead of the ball while the club is behind it. If I release it from there, the ball is going miles. My subconscious knows that's bad, so it stops me releasing, but now I can't square the face up, so my two choices are firey one that goes miles or short weak flub to the right. Do that a few times and the short right flub means I need to swing faster, so I swing a bit faster and now the release option is even worse. I started doing this over 20 years ago and I have finally now realized that this is really what's going on. Unfortunately 20 years of doing this has burned it into my psyche, so it's not a simple technical thing anymore - it's mostly in my head now. Working on it though - I do see light at the end of the tunnel. 

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7 minutes ago, Ty_Webb said:

 

That lines up with my experience. I think it starts because your club gets in a spot where if you release it properly, it will go either too fast, too left, too right, too high, or too low. Your subconscious knows that so it says "no don't do that" so you don't. Consciously you know you want to release, so you actively try to, but you can't and that results in the yippy feeling. Keep doing that long enough and it gets in your head. If you're in between, I can easily see subconsciously you're at odds with what you want to do, so it won't happen. 

 

I get handle draggy sometimes. Hands ahead of the ball while the club is behind it. If I release it from there, the ball is going miles. My subconscious knows that's bad, so it stops me releasing, but now I can't square the face up, so my two choices are firey one that goes miles or short weak flub to the right. Do that a few times and the short right flub means I need to swing faster, so I swing a bit faster and now the release option is even worse. I started doing this over 20 years ago and I have finally now realized that this is really what's going on. Unfortunately 20 years of doing this has burned it into my psyche, so it's not a simple technical thing anymore - it's mostly in my head now. Working on it though - I do see light at the end of the tunnel. 


That's 100% me. I solved it by putting the ball VERY far forward feeling for my higher, softer pitches and VERY far back for my low, driving shots. And now I'm able to be creative again.

With the ball forward shots, I can also adjust my face: very open for VERY soft shots and almost square for a simpler "high" shot where I have some green to work with but not too much.

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yes, I seem to have turned the corner. My chipping and pitching is coming back around now two rounds in a row or I am feeling confident and executing very well.

 

Got up and down this yesterday 4 for 4 on pitch shots, and didn't have any nerves over them.

 

The key has been that commitment to either setting it forward in my stance or back—landing it soft or skipping it low and running out. That clarity has really changed things for me. I was "in between," too often, which led to indecision and eventually mechanical breakdown.

 

 

 

 

You nailed it Brotha...

 

1) 💯% COMMITMENT 

2) 💯% CONFIDENCE 

 

Anything short of 💯 in either area leaves a margin of error that, one, may manifest itself mechanically in many ways, from shortened jerky motions(some refer to them as "yippy") to errant, just plain sh💩tty shots, and secondly, they become more pronounced the greater the indecision and lower the confidence combined with the higher the stakes in the outcome.

 

I hope that you're well, your back is getting some relief and you're hitting Fairways, Greens and makin some putts

 

Maddie send hugs & kisses🤗😘

 

Cheers👊

Richard 

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4 hours ago, Obee said:


yes, I seem to have turned the corner. My chipping and pitching is coming back around now two rounds in a row or I am feeling confident and executing very well.

 

Got up and down this yesterday 4 for 4 on pitch shots, and didn't have any nerves over them.

 

The key has been that commitment to either setting it forward in my stance or back—landing it soft or skipping it low and running out. That clarity has really changed things for me. I was "in between," too often, which led to indecision and eventually mechanical breakdown.

 

 

 

 

I feel your pain, I had the worst chipping yips about 10 years ago, literally anything near the green was a chunk or skull over the green.   It took a lot of work to fix it. Part of my fix was similar to yours, I was playing the ball too far back and getting really steep, my only other shot was a flop shot, which you can't do most of the time.  I used to have good hands and could pull off some cool shots in the old days being steep, but post 50 years old, that went away.  I finally learned to "use the bounce" correctly and shallow out my swing on short shots, moving it forward in my stance and learning to hit shots that way as a big step. 

 

A side effect was this also helped my bunker play, which used to be very much below average,  as I probably always was too steep out of the sand. 

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5 hours ago, Ty_Webb said:

 

That lines up with my experience. I think it starts because your club gets in a spot where if you release it properly, it will go either too fast, too left, too right, too high, or too low. Your subconscious knows that so it says "no don't do that" so you don't. Consciously you know you want to release, so you actively try to, but you can't and that results in the yippy feeling. Keep doing that long enough and it gets in your head. If you're in between, I can easily see subconsciously you're at odds with what you want to do, so it won't happen. 

 

I get handle draggy sometimes. Hands ahead of the ball while the club is behind it. If I release it from there, the ball is going miles. My subconscious knows that's bad, so it stops me releasing, but now I can't square the face up, so my two choices are firey one that goes miles or short weak flub to the right. Do that a few times and the short right flub means I need to swing faster, so I swing a bit faster and now the release option is even worse. I started doing this over 20 years ago and I have finally now realized that this is really what's going on. Unfortunately 20 years of doing this has burned it into my psyche, so it's not a simple technical thing anymore - it's mostly in my head now. Working on it though - I do see light at the end of the tunnel. 

Whenever I feel like I am dragging the handle too much I resort back to hitting "straight armed" pitches and chips where I address the ball with pretty neutral shaft lean and then don't let my elbows bend much, letting my hands and wrists feel "dead" and using my body as the engine of the swing. Jason Day does it really well. Here is a video that kind of explains the sensation I'm referring to. Doesn't work very well out of the rough where you need to have your weight "left" and attack the ball from a steeper angle but great from the short grass. 

 

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Whenever I feel like I am dragging the handle too much I resort back to hitting "straight armed" pitches and chips where I address the ball with pretty neutral shaft lean and then don't let my elbows bend much, letting my hands and wrists feel "dead" and using my body as the engine of the swing. Jason Day does it really well. Here is a video that kind of explains the sensation I'm referring to. Doesn't work very well out of the rough where you need to have your weight "left" and attack the ball from a steeper angle but great from the short grass. 

 

 

This is basically what shortgamechef advocates and is what I'm trying to do at the moment. Neutral shaft lean, don't change the angles, just turn back and turn through. Ball launches high and you have to go pretty hard to get it to go anywhere.

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This is basically what shortgamechef advocates and is what I'm trying to do at the moment. Neutral shaft lean, don't change the angles, just turn back and turn through. Ball launches high and you have to go pretty hard to get it to go anywhere.

Exactly. When I am having a really hard time controlling the distance on wedge shots, it is oftentimes due to the fact that I am subconsciously trying to use my wrists too much and compressing the ball a lot. When I am really hitting the nice little mid traj two hop spinner or the higher one hop stopper well, it feels like I am using more speed but making the ball fly slow. That way when it hits the green the ball grips the ground a lot more and has a better time fighting against the speed propelling it forward. It's wild how short you can hit it with a decent bit of speed once you take your wrists out of the equation. I often find my start line improves quickly too. It's great for those touchy 40ish yarders where you normally would have to make an uncomfortably short or uncomfortably slow swing to fly it the right distance. 

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4 hours ago, Forged4ever said:

You nailed it Brotha...

 

1) 💯% COMMITMENT 

2) 💯% CONFIDENCE 

 

Anything short of 💯 in either area leaves a margin of error that, one, may manifest itself mechanically in many ways, from shortened jerky motions(some refer to them as "yippy") to errant, just plain sh💩tty shots, and secondly, they become more pronounced the greater the indecision and lower the confidence combined with the higher the stakes in the outcome.

 

I hope that you're well, your back is getting some relief and you're hitting Fairways, Greens and makin some putts

 

Maddie send hugs & kisses🤗😘

 

Cheers👊

Richard 


Miss you both, Richard! Hope you are well!!

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On 5/20/2024 at 7:57 AM, Ty_Webb said:

 

That lines up with my experience. I think it starts because your club gets in a spot where if you release it properly, it will go either too fast, too left, too right, too high, or too low. Your subconscious knows that so it says "no don't do that" so you don't. Consciously you know you want to release, so you actively try to, but you can't and that results in the yippy feeling. Keep doing that long enough and it gets in your head. If you're in between, I can easily see subconsciously you're at odds with what you want to do, so it won't happen. 

 

I get handle draggy sometimes. Hands ahead of the ball while the club is behind it. If I release it from there, the ball is going miles. My subconscious knows that's bad, so it stops me releasing, but now I can't square the face up, so my two choices are firey one that goes miles or short weak flub to the right. Do that a few times and the short right flub means I need to swing faster, so I swing a bit faster and now the release option is even worse. I started doing this over 20 years ago and I have finally now realized that this is really what's going on. Unfortunately 20 years of doing this has burned it into my psyche, so it's not a simple technical thing anymore - it's mostly in my head now. Working on it though - I do see light at the end of the tunnel. 


So what I've noticed is that I can't (or don't?) get handle draggy if I play the ball well forward. Experiment with just how far forward you can play the ball. It's interesting.

Padraig Harrington is a proponent of this also. LOVE his short game stuff.

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58 minutes ago, Obee said:


So what I've noticed is that I can't (or don't?) get handle draggy if I play the ball well forward. Experiment with just how far forward you can play the ball. It's interesting.

Padraig Harrington is a proponent of this also. LOVE his short game stuff.

 

Love his stuff too.  Like little cheat codes you can use.  Anytime I'm not feeling great over a chip, I'll just move that ball more forward, even outside of the lead foot as he does in his video. 

 

I also loved 2 of his putting tips.  Going 60/40 on weight distribution.  And if there's a putt you do not want to be short on, try to stop the putter at impact.      

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Played in a qualifier today at Timber Point. 11 and ties make it through.

 

Good par at 1. Hit it to 2 feet at 2 and made birdie. Drive left on 3 and hit a hooky 2 iron up about 60 yards short of the green (par 5) and made par. Bogeyed four after hooking my drive in the trees. Parred out the next few holes, then on the 8th tee, the horn goes off, so we head in and the heavens opened. We spent two hours waiting before going out again after they'd squeegeed greens and the lightning was done.

 

Two solid pars on 8 and 9 to be out in even. Then on ten, the battery on my electric trolley died and I had to push it - it was not being very friendly and one of the wheels seized up, so that was fun. Birdie on 10. Parred 11, 12. 13 is a tough par 4 about 435, but too tight for me to hit driver on. Hit 2 iron off the tee, 5 iron just short right, chipped on and underread my putt. Then hit it on 14 with a 5 iron and three putted. That sucked.

 

15 is a difficult par 4 along the water with water on both sides. Hit 4 iron off the tee a little squirrelly, but right semi and 155 out. 8 iron to 2 feet and made that for a birdie. I thought I'd holed it out from the fairway, but it just missed.

 

Good par on 16. Short par 5 on 17 and made birdie. Meanwhile, I'm exhausted with a capital EXHAUSTED from dragging my stupid trolley around. I had to hold it up on one back wheel because the other one wouldn't turn. 18 is a tough par 4 with lake left. Hit a decent drive in the right semi, 165 out and hit a solid 7 iron, which wound up not being enough. I had 150 to the front so I think my dragging the trolley probably had something to do with that. Came up short on a bank above the bunker that the water from earlier had turned into a mess of gravel and ruts and just general not a good spot. Not a good lie, but I guess it could have been worse. Hit that 2 feet onto grass, but in a hole. Then a good chip to 4 feet and holed it for a final bogey. Level par 72 and -1 wound up being the number. ****. 

 

Just got home to find that the charger for my battery the cable wasn't fully plugged in, so it hadn't been working. So basically a quarter of an inch cost me quite a lot. Still a lot of positives. 14 GIRs, 8 fairways and only 1 drive that was not advanceable to the green, 32 putts. The four greens I missed were the drive in the trees on 4, a 5 iron on 5 that wound up 20 feet from the stick, the 5 iron on 13, and then the approach on the last. I hit so many good shots and it's disappointing not to have got through. Onwards and upwards though!

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Played in a qualifier today at Timber Point. 11 and ties make it through.

 

Good par at 1. Hit it to 2 feet at 2 and made birdie. Drive left on 3 and hit a hooky 2 iron up about 60 yards short of the green (par 5) and made par. Bogeyed four after hooking my drive in the trees. Parred out the next few holes, then on the 8th tee, the horn goes off, so we head in and the heavens opened. We spent two hours waiting before going out again after they'd squeegeed greens and the lightning was done.

 

Two solid pars on 8 and 9 to be out in even. Then on ten, the battery on my electric trolley died and I had to push it - it was not being very friendly and one of the wheels seized up, so that was fun. Birdie on 10. Parred 11, 12. 13 is a tough par 4 about 435, but too tight for me to hit driver on. Hit 2 iron off the tee, 5 iron just short right, chipped on and underread my putt. Then hit it on 14 with a 5 iron and three putted. That sucked.

 

15 is a difficult par 4 along the water with water on both sides. Hit 4 iron off the tee a little squirrelly, but right semi and 155 out. 8 iron to 2 feet and made that for a birdie. I thought I'd holed it out from the fairway, but it just missed.

 

Good par on 16. Short par 5 on 17 and made birdie. Meanwhile, I'm exhausted with a capital EXHAUSTED from dragging my stupid trolley around. I had to hold it up on one back wheel because the other one wouldn't turn. 18 is a tough par 4 with lake left. Hit a decent drive in the right semi, 165 out and hit a solid 7 iron, which wound up not being enough. I had 150 to the front so I think my dragging the trolley probably had something to do with that. Came up short on a bank above the bunker that the water from earlier had turned into a mess of gravel and ruts and just general not a good spot. Not a good lie, but I guess it could have been worse. Hit that 2 feet onto grass, but in a hole. Then a good chip to 4 feet and holed it for a final bogey. Level par 72 and -1 wound up being the number. ****. 

 

Just got home to find that the charger for my battery the cable wasn't fully plugged in, so it hadn't been working. So basically a quarter of an inch cost me quite a lot. Still a lot of positives. 14 GIRs, 8 fairways and only 1 drive that was not advanceable to the green, 32 putts. The four greens I missed were the drive in the trees on 4, a 5 iron on 5 that wound up 20 feet from the stick, the 5 iron on 13, and then the approach on the last. I hit so many good shots and it's disappointing not to have got through. Onwards and upwards though!

Really solid play. You gotta feel good about that.

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31 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Really solid play. You gotta feel good about that.

 

I do - no complaints about my golf right now. Playing well. I was pin high a lot today - that really helps. Hit it straight and you're looking at a kick in. 

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On 5/23/2024 at 2:45 PM, Ty_Webb said:

 

I do - no complaints about my golf right now. Playing well. I was pin high a lot today - that really helps. Hit it straight and you're looking at a kick in. 


Yep, definitely solid play. Curious why you didn't leave your electric trolly out there under a tree or something and just carry your bag?

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Yep, definitely solid play. Curious why you didn't leave your electric trolly out there under a tree or something and just carry your bag?

 

Tour bag with no strap and $1,500 trolley. I've tried carrying the bag like that without the strap and my back wouldn't last more than about a hole doing that. I didn't want the trolley going walkabout either. I did think about it, but I decided that dragging it was the best option. What I should have done is during the rain delay, put the trolley in my car and rented a pull cart for the rest of the round, but I didn't know the trolley would die only 3 holes later. It's also supposed to be pushable. Oh well 🤷‍♂️

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Love this. This is what this thread is all about!

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Just finished The Macbeth at Wilshire CC. Always an amazing 2-man tournament. Had a blast with my partner this year, as always. Unfortunately I did not bring my best game and I had sciatica super bad on the back nine on days two and three. Couldn't feel my right leg down to my knee.

 

So that is back. Not good. This coincides with 20 pounds of weight gain after having to go off of Wegovy due to an insurance snafu. Getting back on it soon.

 

This coming week, Monday Tuesday and Wednesday, is the SCGA senior amateur at Soule Park in Ojai, CA. Love the course.
 

The field is fantastic, lots of Former pros, D1 golfers, etc. And quite a few self-made golfers who didn't take up the game until their 20s. Many nationally ranked seniors, etc.:

 

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On 5/29/2024 at 5:06 PM, Obee said:

Just finished The Macbeth at Wilshire CC. Always an amazing 2-man tournament. Had a blast with my partner this year, as always. Unfortunately I did not bring my best game and I had sciatica super bad on the back nine on days two and three. Couldn't feel my right leg down to my knee.

 

So that is back. Not good. This coincides with 20 pounds of weight gain after having to go off of Wegovy due to an insurance snafu. Getting back on it soon.

 

This coming week, Monday Tuesday and Wednesday, is the SCGA senior amateur at Soule Park in Ojai, CA. Love the course.
 

The field is fantastic, lots of Former pros, D1 golfers, etc. And quite a few self-made golfers who didn't take up the game until their 20s. Many nationally ranked seniors, etc.:

 

https://scga-2024scgasenioramateurchampionship.golfgenius.com/pages/4547289

Good luck  a great course and a tough field 

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Well, Dammit ...

At the SCGA Senior Am, I was 2-under with 4 to play and made three nervous bogeys coming in to shoot 73. top 30 and ties make the cut (out of 84), and I was T-21 after day one.

Day 2 (yesterday) dawned and I knew I was in trouble when I woke up: Back already spasming. Did some stretching, but I couldn't get my back out of spasm. Got to the course, hit some balls, and tried my best to play, but had to resort to my "step-through" swing on the fifth hole and then that was all she wrote. Had to WD on number 7. I had started with four straight pars, too, darn it. Just could not make a move after the fifth hole. Tried, but couldn't do it.


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Qualified for the SCGA Am which will be held at The Saticoy Club that's formerly hosted LPGA events. 

 

Played US AM locals and had it -2 through 2 holes and then a pitching wedge into the par 5 on the 4th hole (made par like a true WRXer) and only managed to get -1 to the house to miss by a few. Really scruffy play. Learned that you really have to be firing in the USGA qualifiers or it's over before it even gets started. Just very little margin for error. 

 

Game is really trending positively and excited for the rest of the summer. 

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47 minutes ago, PureStrikes54 said:

Qualified for the SCGA Am which will be held at The Saticoy Club that's formerly hosted LPGA events. 

 

Played US AM locals and had it -2 through 2 holes and then a pitching wedge into the par 5 on the 4th hole (made par like a true WRXer) and only managed to get -1 to the house to miss by a few. Really scruffy play. Learned that you really have to be firing in the USGA qualifiers or it's over before it even gets started. Just very little margin for error. 

 

Game is really trending positively and excited for the rest of the summer. 


Tai, is that you???

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Srixon ZX-7 MKII 8i, 9i, PW.
Cleveland RTX-4 mid-bounce 50* DG s400
Cleveland RTX-4 full-sole 54* DG s400
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