bostonbrahmin Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Shiels just posted his review of the new Mizuno driver. In his testing, last years 180 models outperformed the new ones, but this years did not necessarily test bad. As someone who loves Mizuno and is very interested in the new ST190, has anyone hit both and found similar results? Also any thoughts on the review are welcome as well. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfingfanatic Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 First we got THE driver with the cobra, then came the Ping ran out of ideas thing and now we get the most beautiful driver ever? I am so done with his clickbait titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker91 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 And this is why you watch multiple reviews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarlaxle Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Yeah, was definitely surprised to see the ST190 didn't perform better than the ST180 for him given all the early chatter was that Mizuno had hit another gear. Quote "We're not here for a long time... we're here for a good time." Titleist GT3 10* - HZRDUS Black Gen 5 6.0 Mizuno JPX 900 3W, 5W - Evo II 661 Stiff Titleist 718 AP3 4, 5 - Project X LZ 6.0 Titleist 718 AP2 6 - PW - Project X LZ 6.0 Titleist Vokey SM10 50.12F, 54.12D, 58.12D Odyssey 2-Ball Ten Tour Lined Shapland Stand Bag 2.3 Clicgear 4.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfChannel Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Shiels reviews are typically useless which is why TXG is so refreshing. He doesn't use the same shaft or even specs in each review. He doesn't even try. Unless I am Rick Shiels and don't know it, his reviews serve literally no purpose other than seeing the club I want to try in action before I get a chance myself. It's basically just potential confirmation bias in video form. Quote Driver: Titleist Tsi3 w/HZRDUS Smoke Yellow TX 6.0 3 Wood: Cobra King Speedzone/HZRDUS Smoke Yellow 70 5 Wood: Callaway Mavrik Subzero/Aldila Rogue White 70 Long Irons (4-6): Wilson D7 Forged/DG120TI Short Irons (7-P): Wilson Staff Model Blade/DG120TI Wedges (50/54/58): Callaway Jaws MD5 w/TI S200 Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7 Ball: Titleist Left Dash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFromTheUK Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Clickbaitastic. Quote PXG 0811X Gen2 9deg Driver - AD-GP 7TX PXG 0341X Gen2 15deg Fairway - AD-GP 8TX PXG 0311X Gen2 1 DI - KBS Prototype Graphite 95X PXG 0311X Gen2 3 DI - KBS Prototype Graphite 95X PXG 0311T Gen2 4-PW - Dynamic Gold X7 PXG 0311T Sugar Daddy 51 - Dynamic Gold X7 PXG 0311T Sugar Daddy 56 - Dynamic Gold X7 PXG 0311T Zulu 61 - Dynamic Gold X7 PXG Brandon H - 34.5” PXG Operator H - 34.5” Toulon Indianapolis - 34.5” PXG 50/50 Staff Bag Bridgestone Tour B X KaBoom Baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ago33 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 his reviews were only useful for testing forgiveness. now he wont show his dispersion patterns Quote Callaway AI Smoke TD 8*.............................Fujikura Ventus Black TR 6X Callaway AI Smoke TDT 14*.........................Fujikura Ventus Black 8X Callaway Apex UW 19*.................................Fujikura Ventus Black 9X Srixon ZX Utility 3, 4 .....................................Fujikura Ventus Black 10TX Srixon ZX7 5-9...............................................Dynamic Gold X7 Cleveland Zipcore Raw 47, 52......................Dynamic Gold X7 Vokey SM10 RAW 57D, 61T...........................Dynamic Gold S400 HS Taylormade Spider Tour X1...........................BGT One Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnKHawk Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Would have been far better comparison if he compared the ST180 & ST190 the same time. Quote Driver: Cobra DS-Adapt Max K 9.0 Degree 5 Wood: Callaway Rogue St LS @ 18 Degree Hybrid: Cobra King OS 3-4 Hybrid @ 20.5 Degree Hybrid: Cobra DarkSpeed 5 Hybrid 24 Degree Irons: Callaway Ai 200 6-AW Wedge: Ping Glide 4.0 @ 54 Degree Wedge Ping S159 @ 60 Degree Wedge: Callaway Sureout 2 @ 64 degree Putter: L.A.B. DF3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagpilotohio Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Shiels reviews are typically useless which is why TXG is so refreshing. He doesn't use the same shaft or even specs in each review. He doesn't even try. Unless I am Rick Shiels and don't know it, his reviews serve literally no purpose other than seeing the club I want to try in action before I get a chance myself. It's basically just potential confirmation bias in video form. Watch the video again. He specifically said he tested last years models with exactly the same shaft and set up. I will watch TXG’s review and I’m betting they will blather on for twice as long and reach a similar conclusion. His conclusion doesn’t surprise me. The 180ST is a low spin bomber. Lots of people just were really hung up on the blue and the fact it didn’t sound great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reider69 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Shiels is trying to optimize his channel with clickbait titles, double commercials and formulaic reviews with no personality or originality. I much much prefer and trust Crossfield when it comes to reviews. Crossfield is fair and objective and his swing is super consistent which is the important thing when reviewing clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elwhippy Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Remember this guy is a driving range Pro who struggles to break 80 in Pro Am events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagpilotohio Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 First we got THE driver with the cobra, then came the Ping ran out of ideas thing and now we get the most beautiful driver ever? I am so done with his clickbait titles. Hahaha!! It’s Funny what bothers different people. I actually like all his recent titles. .....and the 190 is the most beautiful driver ever made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wobgon Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Shiels is trying to optimize his channel with clickbait titles, double commercials and formulaic reviews with no personality or originality. I much much prefer and trust Crossfield when it comes to reviews. Crossfield is fair and objective and his swing is super consistent which is the important thing when reviewing clubs.Yep, always great to see a guy chipping and putting while reviewing a driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wobgon Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Why wouldn't a guy use tittles that would entice people to go to his site.... It is what he is in business to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker91 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just watch them all and remember that none of it really matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red4282 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 About as expected, i game the st180 and its wonderful. I pretty much expected the same club in the 190 but more appeal to the masses(black instead of blue and a kinder sound) even so, it will be a winner- its price is much more reasonable. Mizuno never made ridiculous claims like some other companies. They just made a sexy looking club that performs AS WELL, at a lower price point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStang Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 First we got THE driver with the cobra, then came the Ping ran out of ideas thing and now we get the most beautiful driver ever? I am so done with his clickbait titles. Yet you know the last three titles. It's working Rick! Quote TSR2 | TSi3 Wood | G430 3 Hybrid | P-770 4, P-7CB 5-PW | Mizuno T1 Wedges | Phantom 5.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfChannel Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Shiels reviews are typically useless which is why TXG is so refreshing. He doesn't use the same shaft or even specs in each review. He doesn't even try. Unless I am Rick Shiels and don't know it, his reviews serve literally no purpose other than seeing the club I want to try in action before I get a chance myself. It's basically just potential confirmation bias in video form. Watch the video again. He specifically said he tested last years models with exactly the same shaft and set up. I will watch TXGs review and Im betting they will blather on for twice as long and reach a similar conclusion. His conclusion doesnt surprise me. The 180ST is a low spin bomber. Lots of people just were really hung up on the blue and the fact it didnt sound great. Which again isn’t his gamer. So great, 2 less than ideal reviews instead of 1 in the same video. Apologies you don’t have the attention span for TXG. Quote Driver: Titleist Tsi3 w/HZRDUS Smoke Yellow TX 6.0 3 Wood: Cobra King Speedzone/HZRDUS Smoke Yellow 70 5 Wood: Callaway Mavrik Subzero/Aldila Rogue White 70 Long Irons (4-6): Wilson D7 Forged/DG120TI Short Irons (7-P): Wilson Staff Model Blade/DG120TI Wedges (50/54/58): Callaway Jaws MD5 w/TI S200 Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7 Ball: Titleist Left Dash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfingfanatic Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 First we got THE driver with the cobra, then came the Ping ran out of ideas thing and now we get the most beautiful driver ever? I am so done with his clickbait titles. Yet you know the last three titles. It's working Rick!I am not debating his success. I am simply fed up with this whole youtube clickbaity schtick in general. Not just Rick Shiels. I simply think it is embarassing if you habe to attract people with red arrows and sensasionalistic titles, instead of putting your focus on the quality and uniqueness of your content. The quality of mainstream youtube has declined massively in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFromTheUK Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 His focus moved from trying to be informative, to trying to make money, long ago. Now all he cares about is the revenue he gets from the ads which plague his videos. Quote PXG 0811X Gen2 9deg Driver - AD-GP 7TX PXG 0341X Gen2 15deg Fairway - AD-GP 8TX PXG 0311X Gen2 1 DI - KBS Prototype Graphite 95X PXG 0311X Gen2 3 DI - KBS Prototype Graphite 95X PXG 0311T Gen2 4-PW - Dynamic Gold X7 PXG 0311T Sugar Daddy 51 - Dynamic Gold X7 PXG 0311T Sugar Daddy 56 - Dynamic Gold X7 PXG 0311T Zulu 61 - Dynamic Gold X7 PXG Brandon H - 34.5” PXG Operator H - 34.5” Toulon Indianapolis - 34.5” PXG 50/50 Staff Bag Bridgestone Tour B X KaBoom Baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisking1 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Rick is just a click bait mofo his dislike to the driver is that it’s gloss finish when 80% of the driver market is gloss finish and the driver that he is gaming ts3 which gloss finish I’m I not right. then he compared the st 180 which was ok to do but bet u he was warmed up when he hit the st 180 unlike new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red4282 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 First we got THE driver with the cobra, then came the Ping ran out of ideas thing and now we get the most beautiful driver ever? I am so done with his clickbait titles. Yet you know the last three titles. It's working Rick!I am not debating his success. I am simply fed up with this whole youtube clickbaity schtick in general. Not just Rick Shiels. I simply think it is embarassing if you habe to attract people with red arrows and sensasionalistic titles, instead of putting your focus on the quality and uniqueness of your content. The quality of mainstream youtube has declined massively in recent years. Its everywhere not just in golf. Its the youngins...man they fall for the clickbaity stuff...they drive the views Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagpilotohio Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Shiels reviews are typically useless which is why TXG is so refreshing. He doesn't use the same shaft or even specs in each review. He doesn't even try. Unless I am Rick Shiels and don't know it, his reviews serve literally no purpose other than seeing the club I want to try in action before I get a chance myself. It's basically just potential confirmation bias in video form. Watch the video again. He specifically said he tested last years models with exactly the same shaft and set up. I will watch TXGs review and Im betting they will blather on for twice as long and reach a similar conclusion. His conclusion doesnt surprise me. The 180ST is a low spin bomber. Lots of people just were really hung up on the blue and the fact it didnt sound great. Which again isn’t his gamer. So great, 2 less than ideal reviews instead of 1 in the same video. Apologies you don’t have the attention span for TXG. Interesting viewpoint. So any review is a waste of time if the reviewer doesn’t use the exact shaft he actually plays golf with? I disagree. ....and thanks for the little insult thrown in there. I happen to think your boys are verbose and I find them irritating. Just an opinion. No need to be rude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z1ggy16 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 First we got THE driver with the cobra, then came the Ping ran out of ideas thing and now we get the most beautiful driver ever? I am so done with his clickbait titles.Yet... there you are... clicking away and paying attention to what he's doing. Can't say it doesn't work though, can you? This is how social media works in case you weren't aware. Ever spent like... 5 seconds on Instragram? It's absolutely literally with clickbait. I've completely tuned out RS and most reviewers. The only people I'll watch with actual interest is TXG and Mike Newton. Golf Box is okay but he tends to just say every club is incredible, and in general I don't get a ton out of it; I watch him more for entertainment. Rick is all about making money and he will do anything/everything it takes to get clicks. Simple and easiest thing to do is unsub. I did... you can, too. Watch TXG and forget the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixhex524 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Shiels reviews are typically useless which is why TXG is so refreshing. He doesn't use the same shaft or even specs in each review. He doesn't even try. Unless I am Rick Shiels and don't know it, his reviews serve literally no purpose other than seeing the club I want to try in action before I get a chance myself. It's basically just potential confirmation bias in video form. Watch the video again. He specifically said he tested last years models with exactly the same shaft and set up. I will watch TXG’s review and I’m betting they will blather on for twice as long and reach a similar conclusion. His conclusion doesn’t surprise me. The 180ST is a low spin bomber. Lots of people just were really hung up on the blue and the fact it didn’t sound great. Which again isn’t his gamer. So great, 2 less than ideal reviews instead of 1 in the same video. Apologies you don’t have the attention span for TXG. I watched the TXG review of the ST190 this morning, it was about 7 minutes to their credit, which is about where their reviews should be, not 20-30 minutes. There just isn't that much to learn or know about any one club. On top of that, the dude with the accent continuously talks over the other guy... it has to be the most irritating thing about them I have seen so far. They may seem like they are doing things very differently, but they are not, maybe take away the clickbait titles, but they hit it and give the date like the rest of these guys. I also watched the review of the Tour Edge EXS where they had some other guy hitting it... they were almost trying to convince people it was a lower level driver which it most certainly is not. It is priced lower, yes, but the quality is for sure there with all these other offerings. They did that club no justice and seemed to have judged it solely based on price which is the opposite of what these reviewers should be doing. I'm glad you are impressed with those guys GolfChannel, but I just don't see what you see... Quote Ping G440 Max 9 Diamana ZF 6x Ping G440 Max 15 Tensei 1k black 75s Ping G430 19 Tour chrome 85s Srixon Z745 4-P Modus 105s Titleist SM10 50.12, 56.12, 60.10 KBS Tour Ping Anser PLD 34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wobgon Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 His focus moved from trying to be informative, to trying to make money, long ago. Now all he cares about is the revenue he gets from the ads which plague his videos.Now there is something strange in the business world.....Trying to make money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red4282 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Shiels reviews are typically useless which is why TXG is so refreshing. He doesn't use the same shaft or even specs in each review. He doesn't even try. Unless I am Rick Shiels and don't know it, his reviews serve literally no purpose other than seeing the club I want to try in action before I get a chance myself. It's basically just potential confirmation bias in video form. Watch the video again. He specifically said he tested last years models with exactly the same shaft and set up. I will watch TXG’s review and I’m betting they will blather on for twice as long and reach a similar conclusion. His conclusion doesn’t surprise me. The 180ST is a low spin bomber. Lots of people just were really hung up on the blue and the fact it didn’t sound great. Which again isn’t his gamer. So great, 2 less than ideal reviews instead of 1 in the same video. Apologies you don’t have the attention span for TXG. I watched the TXG review of the ST190 this morning, it was about 7 minutes to their credit, which is about where their reviews should be, not 20-30 minutes. There just isn't that much to learn or know about any one club. On top of that, the dude with the accent continuously talks over the other guy... it has to be the most irritating thing about them I have seen so far. They may seem like they are doing things very differently, but they are not, maybe take away the clickbait titles, but they hit it and give the date like the rest of these guys. I also watched the review of the Tour Edge EXS where they had some other guy hitting it... they were almost trying to convince people it was a lower level driver which it most certainly is not. It is priced lower, yes, but the quality is for sure there with all these other offerings. They did that club no justice and seemed to have judged it solely based on price which is the opposite of what these reviewers should be doing. I'm glad you are impressed with those guys GolfChannel, but I just don't see what you see... To be fair the numbers on the exs were a tad lower than the top end stuff. It wasnt huge but there was a noticble difference. To be honest i thought they did tour edge a favor as reccomending it as a budget driver. If it were me id opt for a previous years top end model over the exs. The TXG guys are great they go into incredible detail. They also really know their stuff and what they are doing. Their format may not be for everyone but as reviewers they are top notch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3woodvt Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 LMFAO with this entire thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quebec Club Ho Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 LMFAO with this entire thread!Agreed. IMO some of you are getting too personal - take what you want from the review, if you don't like or agree with it - move on. Why is there a need to insult his channel, his testing procedures, his ability to score in pro-ams (what does that have to do with a review?), etc...And the same about the comments about TXG. If you don't like their reviews, no problem, move on, why insult the guys on the channel or judge how they present their material?Not an attack at anyone, let's just keep it to the golf. Quote 10.5* Ping G430 Max; Hzrdus RDX Smoke Blue 6.0 60g 16.5* 3W TM M4 HL; Hzrdus Smoke iM1O mid 5.5 70g 21* 7W Ping G430 Max, Oban Revenge 85g 04 24* 9W Ping G430 Max, Accra Dynamatch ST 80g M4 24* HY Titleist GT3 , Hzrdus Smoke Red 6.0 80 HY 6-GW Mizuno JPX 923 HM, PX LZ 5.5 54*S & 58*T Ping Glide 4.0, DG S300 L.A.B. DF3, Accra X, Press Pistol Z Star 🔹 . GP TV 360 std. Titleist Players glove Ping Hoofer Lite OR Ping Pioneer with Clicgear 3.5+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J13 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 His focus moved from trying to be informative, to trying to make money, long ago. Now all he cares about is the revenue he gets from the ads which plague his videos.Now there is something strange in the business world.....Trying to make money. Here's how it works 1. People see a flashy title, click, then watch the video2. People like or dislike what they saw3. Those who dislike are angry at themselves4. They then take it out on Rick because it's his fault for them clicking on his free video's5. Rinse and repeat the next free video review Quote Cally Ai Smoke Triple Max 9* / Fuji VB TR 6X Cally Ai Smoke Mini 11.5* / Fuji VB Plus 7X Cally BB 815 Alpha 18* / Veylix Rome 988 Ping IBlueprint S / I230 / 5-PW / DGX100 Ping S159 50S, 54H, 60H / S400 TM ZT Spider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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