Soooo.....A positive story revolving around a sandbagging claim and the revolution that resulted fro

[bladehunter]

Now . Those of you who rolled your eyes when you saw my name , please bare with me . Ill preface all this with a full admission to my ongoing study of the rules and will say i am in no way claiming to be an expert or even "knowledgeable " at this point. Neither of which are my point or claim with this thread.

 

 

To start ill say that im sure everyone reading this has heard read my constant gripes of "cheats and sandbaggers" at my club . The claim of constant thrashings received in any Net event ive participated in there and my frustration with all that . And no doubt you are tired of hearing it. I got tired of saying it and stopped ( at least tried to ).

 

Fast Forward to early this January where i learned exactly how the Net comps were being run. We had a 4 person handicap / competition committee which i assumed knew what was going on etc. Well it seems that our club pro was heading that up as an unofficial chairperson ( which is against the rules) . And the committee was simply approving his wishes. Which turned out to be this. We were playing using Handicap indexs only. 60 over from a forward tee and 59 back from the mens tee. No course handicap or stroke differential between tees being calculated. ( there is 3 shots difference in rating from front tee to mens tee and 2 shots from mens tee back to blue tees). Then we had the 2 largest ( and admitted) offenders of actual Sandbagging. 2 low handicaps who were playing off 8 and 11 respectively . In their words to "combat the way this place is run.. Its the only way to compete"...After a long talk with our pro it seems that he had zero understanding of how handicaps worked. He thought it unfair that someone playing the front tees and building a handicap from those tees would lose 3 shots to someone playing the middle ( mens) tees . He used that bias to ignore the process that he was supposed to use and had been doing this for years. .All this had added up to a record low participation last year. We have 118 Handicap association members and were averaging 8-12 entrants at the end of the year . PITIFUL!

 

So i had been talking all last summer and all winter with other members etc and found that to a member, nobody seemed happy with how things were. I am next door neighbors with our Pro , in my mind i was collecting data to get into his ear with and enact change that way . BUT a very unexpected consequence occurred at the end of January . To my shock i was nominated and elected to the Handicap/Comp committee for this year . As were 3 other new people who had never served. I decided then and there that this would get fixed. I live 2 minutes from the course and intend on living here for good. So this is where ill play from . Where i have a 10 year old boy coming up in the game etc.

 

Since having access to some things like members scores, participation , etc we have found that 90% of members havent posted a score since last october. And more so more than half of those who played club events last year hadnt posted a single round from any club events played last last year . So people arent posting and the Committee wasnt checking at all .

 

Im happy to say that after polling the membership individually ( alot of phone calls and texts) weve discovered that almost every person would rather see the comps ran by the actual rules and by this i mean , calculating course handicaps and stroke differentials for different tees, making sure ESC is used and having the committee make sure that scores are being posted when events are played. And also received some great feedback that suggested that flighting the events would improve turnout. To this point we next asked if we could get folks to pre register and pay the entry for the kick off event to show support for the changes. Happy to report we have 62 entrants as of last night pre registered and paid , for the kickoff the end of this month. Flighted 12 up ( our highest cap is 22) and 11 down as 2 flights is the initial format .

 

The only low points have been that we did lose 1 club member.. one of the low cap guys who felt the need to pad his handicap to compete. He simply did not want his handicap adjusted and left because of it. The other accepted a 4 shot reduction and knows hes being watched closely. And that weve gently taken the control away from our pro..

 

 

We have also made many other small changes that are beside my point here. No doubt if done correctly this is equal to having a partime job ...at least the first month has been .

 

Now to my actual point.. 2 things I guess. If you play out of a club that has a great program you should thank someone whos working behind the scenes. It isnt an accident that its working well . and Most Importantly. if you are at a club that doesnt work well. Speak up. Figure out the issue and keep chipping away at it. Get involved !! Im so glad i did . even though I intend to play more Gross events this summer than club net events , I still feel great knowing that adherence to the rules that are designed to make it as fair as possible is the goal . Not some made up formula that made nobody happy and just did not work.

 

I hope that isnt too much rambling , i tried to keep it short.. Just wanted to say thanks to anyone here who has answered any of my ignorant questions and to encourage anyone who has similar gripes to ask questions and try to see whats happening in your own situation.

[cardoustie]

From me working 12 years on our men's committee (in asstd roles incl. hdcp. chairman - and the last 2 as captain .... dealing with caps is soooooooo much work

 

Thanks for sharing and good luck going forward

 

Your clubs problems are not unique

[KevCarter]

It sounds like you have done a great job researching this. Having the professional be the handicap chair is just asking for trouble Policing the people who pay your salary is just asking for trouble. I found out the hard way years ago I had to disqualify my club president in a tournament. :DOH:

 

You have a good handle on this and will do a great job, yet a thankless one.

 

Good Luck!

[Hawkeye77]

“Bare with me” - lol, only in spirit this morning! I’ve already left the hotel I stayed at last night. ;-)

 

Seriously, that is about the best thread starter I’ve seen on sandbagging/club committee politics ever on this site.

 

“Be careful what you wish for” sometimes gets in the way of positive change. Sounds like you will really enjoy this and have the right approach - I’m sure there will be “moments”, however.

 

We don’t have anythIng that formal, and not a private club, but I still remember the look of surprise a few years ago when I let our pro know before my match with a guy playing the up tees that there was a differential to be accounted for. He looked over what I gave him and agreed 100%, just hadn’t occurred to him. He actually enjoyed letting the sandbagging guy I was playing know he wasn’t getting as many strokes as he thought he was that afternoon.

[HatsForBats]

 

No course handicap or stroke differential between tees being calculated.

 

"combat the way this place is run.. Its the only way to compete"...

 

The first inevitably leads to the second. Once the second begins happening others follow suit and it gets out of control.

 

Glad you are taking it over and good luck. How are you going to handle the extra strokes (ie. take away from the players playing the forward tees or add to the players playing further back tees)?

[cardoustie]

Finding someone who will take on / handle the confrontation of dealing with the long term and "known" members (that buck the odds and win repeatedly on net nights) and also the corresponding fallout is not an easy task

[bladehunter]

 

No course handicap or stroke differential between tees being calculated.

 

"combat the way this place is run.. Its the only way to compete"...

 

The first inevitably leads to the second. Once the second begins happening others follow suit and it gets out of control.

 

Glad you are taking it over and good luck. How are you going to handle the extra strokes (ie. take away from the players playing the forward tees or add to the players playing further back tees)?

 

We are adding to the players playing the further back tees. That’s how it’s suggested as I read in the handicap manual. And that seemed to be the mind trick that worked. I feel like members on the up tee would buck getting strokes “taken away”. But if the back guy gets them added the math works out the same and nobody feels like they are losing.

[bladehunter]

Thanks guys for the positive words. I had hoped I could I post this and make it make sense. I’m not a wordsmith by any stretch.

 

I know there will be hiccups along the way. No doubt. But it has to be better than what we were doing. As I told the other 3 committee members “ the cars been in the ditch for a while. We cannot Hurt anything trying to get it out. No way to make it worse “.

[bladehunter]

It sounds like you have done a great job researching this. Having the professional be the handicap chair is just asking for trouble Policing the people who pay your salary is just asking for trouble. I found out the hard way years ago I had to disqualify my club president in a tournament. :DOH:

 

You have a good handle on this and will do a great job, yet a thankless one.

 

Good Luck!

 

Started typing this last night. Fell into a Alfredo coma and never recovered. Loll.

[Golfnuck]

All the best bladehunter.

 

There will certainly be some fallout.

 

I have always thought that peer review is a simple thing that can be done.

 

I wish our Golf Committee would post all the names and scores (plus how much below or above net par) of the players there were "in the money" for every one of the men's nights for a rolling year or two. This way you may begin to see a pattern of who is winning and just how much below net par they were.

[King_Slender]

General thoughts/suggestions:

 

1) A pro who doesn't understand the handicap system should be fired immediately.

2) The pro/club should be responsible for posting all rounds for members for club sponsored events - leagues, championships, member-guests, etc.

 

This eliminates a lot of nonsense.

[Augster]

 

No course handicap or stroke differential between tees being calculated.

 

"combat the way this place is run.. Its the only way to compete"...

 

The first inevitably leads to the second. Once the second begins happening others follow suit and it gets out of control.

 

Glad you are taking it over and good luck. How are you going to handle the extra strokes (ie. take away from the players playing the forward tees or add to the players playing further back tees)?

 

We are adding to the players playing the further back tees. That’s how it’s suggested as I read in the handicap manual. And that seemed to be the mind trick that worked. I feel like members on the up tee would buck getting strokes “taken away”. But if the back guy gets them added the math works out the same and nobody feels like they are losing.

 

This is exactly the right thing to do. For a 15 that knows he’s a 15 from the up tees, he’s going to want his 15. So he plays a 12 that’s playing back. Add the 3 to the 12 and subtract and they play even.

 

At least the 15 got all his shots. :)

 

It’s going to be a lot of work, initially, as you’ve already found. Making all those calls and getting individual feedback is time consuming. People feel empowered to tell you how they really feel, one on one, than in a group setting where maybe you have some sort of vote or Q&A. But because you include them in the decision, they feel they are part of the process, and as you’ve already seen, more people turn out.

 

Good luck! I think the hard part is already over.

[jmkenn0]

Bravo!

[golfortennis]

I'm glad to hear this blade. I tried to revive our club's handicap committee a few years ago. Things seemed to go ok for a bit, but club championship rolled around, and well... suffice it to say, my dad, who is no stranger to dealing with BS in a volunteer position, even told me it wasn't worth it.

 

If I can get to Spartanville(have a nephew playing baseball at Upstate), I will tell you about it over a round. About 180 degrees different, but glad to hear you had a different experience.

[bladehunter]

I'm glad to hear this blade. I tried to revive our club's handicap committee a few years ago. Things seemed to go ok for a bit, but club championship rolled around, and well... suffice it to say, my dad, who is no stranger to dealing with BS in a volunteer position, even told me it wasn't worth it.

 

If I can get to Spartanville(have a nephew playing baseball at Upstate), I will tell you about it over a round. About 180 degrees different, but glad to hear you had a different experience.

 

 

Love to tee it up ! Send me a message anytime and we will get together. I’m about 15 minutes north of USC upstate so not far at all.

[bladehunter]

 

No course handicap or stroke differential between tees being calculated.

 

"combat the way this place is run.. Its the only way to compete"...

 

The first inevitably leads to the second. Once the second begins happening others follow suit and it gets out of control.

 

Glad you are taking it over and good luck. How are you going to handle the extra strokes (ie. take away from the players playing the forward tees or add to the players playing further back tees)?

 

We are adding to the players playing the further back tees. That’s how it’s suggested as I read in the handicap manual. And that seemed to be the mind trick that worked. I feel like members on the up tee would buck getting strokes “taken away”. But if the back guy gets them added the math works out the same and nobody feels like they are losing.

 

This is exactly the right thing to do. For a 15 that knows he’s a 15 from the up tees, he’s going to want his 15. So he plays a 12 that’s playing back. Add the 3 to the 12 and subtract and they play even.

 

At least the 15 got all his shots. :)

 

It’s going to be a lot of work, initially, as you’ve already found. Making all those calls and getting individual feedback is time consuming. People feel empowered to tell you how they really feel, one on one, than in a group setting where maybe you have some sort of vote or Q&A. But because you include them in the decision, they feel they are part of the process, and as you’ve already seen, more people turn out.

 

Good luck! I think the hard part is already over.

 

Yes sir. Every bit of what you said seems to be they way that works best. I learned a long time ago ( through business working with client builds) that if you can give some ownership in the design and build process you install ownership in the final outcome too. That and if you stick your neck out too far it may get chopped off. That’s why hiding behind the rules works. Very little exposure on my end. I can always say “ but the rules say “. That was the mistake they were making before. One concession led to another to cover up the first one and please the next person complaining. And so on until it’s a mess .

 

I appreciate the words of encouragement. I almost didn’t post the OP , But glad I did. It’s encouraging and I’m sure now we are doing a reasonably proper job.

[bladehunter]

General thoughts/suggestions:

 

1) A pro who doesn't understand the handicap system should be fired immediately.

2) The pro/club should be responsible for posting all rounds for members for club sponsored events - leagues, championships, member-guests, etc.

 

This eliminates a lot of nonsense.

 

King.

 

On the surface I don’t disagree. As usual there’s a lot of politics involved.

 

1. He’s been there 18 years.

2. They pay him half what it would probably cost to get another , so he probably is worth what he’s paid. Then for me. Having him as a neighbor of course adds another element.

 

Let’s just say that I’m trying to open his eyes to what he isn’t doing in hopes that he sort of snaps out of it. I’m in a unique position to do that as a friend not as a member of his club. And I’ve finally convinced him that us taking this responsibility is a plus for him. He doesn’t have to hear the gripes anymore. He can direct them our way. And hopefully focus on reviving the junior program that’s been dead for several years.

 

I believe he’s more in disagreement with the handicap process than ignorant based on this. Randomly at times he’s also ran some net events at 75.% handicaps which we all know hurts the high cap more than the low ( learned that here ). So I feel like that was Him trying to even out the lack of differentials for tees played . But really just made a bigger mess.

 

So yes. Outside I agree. Inside it may happen one day for some other reason , But nobody there understands enough to ever Pursue it . Not the GM or the owners nor any other member. Lol.

[dmac4g]

Make sure you have thick skin. Being in charge of the handicap committee is brutal. You seem to have a firm direction you are moving and I wish you luck.

 

If what you have said about the Pro is accurate, your "Pro" is an idiot..............even at half rate, he is being overpaid.............

[bladehunter]

Make sure you have thick skin. Being in charge of the handicap committee is brutal. You seem to have a firm direction you are moving and I wish you luck.

 

If what you have said about the Pro is accurate, your "Pro" is an idiot..............even at half rate, he is being overpaid.............

 

My hand to the heavens it’s true. Lol. I ranted and raved here for ages. And people thought me nuts. Well they were half right. I thought it was sandbaggers. ( I was mostly wrong ) Really it was A rigged game from inside , and players with no direction. Now of course net will be net and it’s not as if I’m going to clean up now because of 3 shots. But still. A guy can take losing if it’s fair. But when it’s rigged he wants to scream ! lol.

 

 

[davep043]

Make sure you have thick skin. Being in charge of the handicap committee is brutal. You seem to have a firm direction you are moving and I wish you luck.

 

If what you have said about the Pro is accurate, your "Pro" is an idiot..............even at half rate, he is being overpaid.............

 

My hand to the heavens it's true. Lol. I ranted and raved here for ages. And people thought me nuts. Well they were half right. I thought it was sandbaggers. ( I was mostly wrong ) Really it was A rigged game from inside , and players with no direction. Now of course net will be net and it's not as if I'm going to clean up now because of 3 shots. But still. A guy can take losing if it's fair. But when it's rigged he wants to scream ! lol.

Well done! You know I head my club's handicap committee, after years where it was left to the pro. It can be trying, and some people will resist the changes, but I've also had a lot of people express their appreciation that we are making a real effort to improve things. I'm sure you'll find that most people are pleased with the changes.

The one thing that I've found most helpful when dealing with people is an actual knowledge of the handicap rules. Most people have no idea how the calculations work, no idea of which scores they have to post, how to deal with match play situations, so many things. Nobody knows them all, but its good to know where to look for the answers.

You've taken a huge step, and I know you'll make a big difference in your club. Congratulations, and good luck!

[cardoustie]

We sent reports to every member after a men's night. 75-120 guys

 

Full gross and net score per hole, who won all the skins, who won gross, who won net etc etc. Helped a lot

 

We also posted an oversize spreadsheet every week in the locker room showing weekly scores and stableford points earned. Any clown can see the guys getting 38+ a week are baggers or are cheating on Wed's

[bladehunter]

We sent reports to every member after a men's night. 75-120 guys

 

Full gross and net score per hole, who won all the skins, who won gross, who won net etc etc. Helped a lot

 

We also posted an oversize spreadsheet every week in the locker room showing weekly scores and stableford points earned. Any clown can see the guys getting 38+ a week are baggers or are cheating on Wed's

 

Great idea. That’s something we are bouncing around now. How to post results etc. used to just get a monthly newsletter with players finsihing in the money and that’s it. The Saturday morning dogfight ( stableford) etc never posted anywhere. So we are going to do something similar for sure.

[bladehunter]

Make sure you have thick skin. Being in charge of the handicap committee is brutal. You seem to have a firm direction you are moving and I wish you luck.

 

If what you have said about the Pro is accurate, your "Pro" is an idiot..............even at half rate, he is being overpaid.............

 

My hand to the heavens it's true. Lol. I ranted and raved here for ages. And people thought me nuts. Well they were half right. I thought it was sandbaggers. ( I was mostly wrong ) Really it was A rigged game from inside , and players with no direction. Now of course net will be net and it's not as if I'm going to clean up now because of 3 shots. But still. A guy can take losing if it's fair. But when it's rigged he wants to scream ! lol.

Well done! You know I head my club's handicap committee, after years where it was left to the pro. It can be trying, and some people will resist the changes, but I've also had a lot of people express their appreciation that we are making a real effort to improve things. I'm sure you'll find that most people are pleased with the changes.

The one thing that I've found most helpful when dealing with people is an actual knowledge of the handicap rules. Most people have no idea how the calculations work, no idea of which scores they have to post, how to deal with match play situations, so many things. Nobody knows them all, but its good to know where to look for the answers.

You've taken a huge step, and I know you'll make a big difference in your club. Congratulations, and good luck!

 

Thanks Dave,

 

Agree completely. One of the more skilled wordsmiths f the committee is putting together a handout / email now with reference material on just that. I decided that’s what pushed me the most. Seeing how it’s supposed to work vs how it was being done. Pretty big gap there. If I can see it any sane person should have no problem. Lol

 

And like i said earlier. Once they know how it’s supposed to be you can fall back on the “ do you want a USGA handicap or not “? It’s really that simple. Hard to answer no to that since every last one of them paid for a GHIN membership separate from club member dues.

[davep043]

If you like, I can forward the email I got from my NC club, along with thr text I plan to send out soon. If so, PM me an email address.

[RSinSG]

Good luck with your quest. I play in two city course mens leagues and both are run by the pro. Its more of an apples to oranges comparison to your situation as most of the guys have their handicaps at courses all over the area. But the two leagues are run differently due to the work ethic of the pro. One league is quick to post scores and print out results and everyone knows what is happening every week. The other league rarely posts scores, the results sometimes don't get printed out, guys are always wondering who won skins etc and as a result a league that 10 years ago required you to be there an hour early to get a tee time is now struggling to get enough players where the winnings are more than $20.

 

I continue to play because I'm there for the golf - not the goofy formats like - Team 3 net, 1 gross on holes 1-8 and holes 10-18 and 4 gross on holes 9 and 18. When I see those formats I let someone else keep score and just play golf.

[deadsolid...shank]

Blade, good on you man. I suspect an overwhelming majority will be very happy. The two or theee “regular” winners will likely become very scarce come signup time. I’m guessing it won’t take long until your number show a nice increase. People tend to show up when they think they might have a chance because it’s fair.

[mark m]

Blade: congrats on your decision to get involved and make a difference at your golf club. I have quite of bit of experience in this area - I formed our first actual HC back in 1994 and have served as Chairman 3 times and another 2 times as a committee member. But it has been about 8-10 years since I last served. Davep is also a great source here on these handicap related threads, so I don't really post much because he does such a good job. Here are some random thoughts/recommendations:

 

 

The position of handicap chairperson requires a substantial amount of time and a basic knowledge of the USGA Handicap System. The more information the handicap chairperson gives the members, the more cooperation the chairperson is likely to receive.

• Purchase a USGA Handicap System manual for every member of the HC and one for your pro as well. $2.00 each. Unfortunately, the manuals are only good for 2019 as we will be moving to the new WHS system in 2020. But you will need it and it is easier to use than trying to find things using the online version.
  
• https://www.usgapublications.com/collections/handicapping/products/the-usga-handicap-system-manual-2016-edition?variant=25702063750
  
• Do your best to read it and follow it. Pay particular attention to Section 8 on the duties HC.
  
• Send out a notice to your members. The topics are listed in the book and online. In there I would cover how to handle conceded strokes and unfinished holes.
  
• If possible I would recommend the HC (or Tournament Committee in charge of the comp) post the scores for all players in club tournaments. Even if you do not post some as 'T' scores. This ensures the scores are entered in a timely manner and correctly adjusted using ESC. Learning how to use the Tournament Management software (TPP/Golf Genius) really helps but maybe a bridge too far for you unless you get some good help(?)
  

Finally - last but not least - I would highly recommend the use of the GHIN mobile app by you and members of your club. The app can do a lot and it is too much to cover here and now, but there are youtube tutorials which show how to use all the functions. It's really great if you are interested in looking at your own stats - but it is also great for peer review. This app makes it very easy for members to keep an eye on each other by adding fellow club members as partners. When they are added into your phone, you can see their scoring record and stats. It's just excellent. And this app will also help you with the issue of different tees. The "CH Calculator" will do the math for you and your partners playing different tees if you click on the "Partner Handicaps" box on the top right of the CH Calc screen and select the correct course and tees for each player. It simple to use when you get the hang of it. Based on my experience, a contigent of the guys playing the easier course will not like the fact that the guys playing back are getting extra strokes. Being able to quote the book and/or showing them with the app will help in these battles.

 

I am a big "by the book" guy in this area. We have had others serve as Chairman that did not read the book (and follow the recommendations in it on how to handle situations). They would do things arbitrarily like adjusting a members handicap without first talking to him. Yes they were trying to fix issues, but their process was poor and their leadership was questioned and really not respected by all.

 

There is much more to say - but this is enough for now.

Best

Mark

[bladehunter]

Blade: congrats on your decision to get involved and make a difference at your golf club. I have quite of bit of experience in this area - I formed our first actual HC back in 1994 and have served as Chairman 3 times and another 2 times as a committee member. But it has been about 8-10 years since I last served. Davep is also a great source here on these handicap related threads, so I don't really post much because he does such a good job. Here are some random thoughts/recommendations:

 

 

The position of handicap chairperson requires a substantial amount of time and a basic knowledge of the USGA Handicap System. The more information the handicap chairperson gives the members, the more cooperation the chairperson is likely to receive.

• Purchase a USGA Handicap System manual for every member of the HC and one for your pro as well. $2.00 each. Unfortunately, the manuals are only good for 2019 as we will be moving to the new WHS system in 2020. But you will need it and it is easier to use than trying to find things using the online version.
  
• https://www.usgapublications.com/collections/handicapping/products/the-usga-handicap-system-manual-2016-edition?variant=25702063750
  
• Do your best to read it and follow it. Pay particular attention to Section 8 on the duties HC.
  
• Send out a notice to your members. The topics are listed in the book and online. In there I would cover how to handle conceded strokes and unfinished holes.
  
• If possible I would recommend the HC (or Tournament Committee in charge of the comp) post the scores for all players in club tournaments. Even if you do not post some as 'T' scores. This ensures the scores are entered in a timely manner and correctly adjusted using ESC. Learning how to use the Tournament Management software (TPP/Golf Genius) really helps but maybe a bridge too far for you unless you get some good help(?)
  

Finally - last but not least - I would highly recommend the use of the GHIN mobile app by you and members of your club. The app can do a lot and it is too much to cover here and now, but there are youtube tutorials which show how to use all the functions. It's really great if you are interested in looking at your own stats - but it is also great for peer review. This app makes it very easy for members to keep an eye on each other by adding fellow club members as partners. When they are added into your phone, you can see their scoring record and stats. It's just excellent. And this app will also help you with the issue of different tees. The "CH Calculator" will do the math for you and your partners playing different tees if you click on the "Partner Handicaps" box on the top right of the CH Calc screen and select the correct course and tees for each player. It simple to use when you get the hang of it. Based on my experience, a contigent of the guys playing the easier course will not like the fact that the guys playing back are getting extra strokes. Being able to quote the book and/or showing them with the app will help in these battles.

 

I am a big "by the book" guy in this area. We have had others serve as Chairman that did not read the book (and follow the recommendations in it on how to handle situations). They would do things arbitrarily like adjusting a members handicap without first talking to him. Yes they were trying to fix issues, but their process was poor and their leadership was questioned and really not respected by all.

 

There is much more to say - but this is enough for now.

Best

Mark

 

Great Post Mark. And great ideas. I appreciate the ideas more than I can express.

 

Especially the one on buying everyone a Manual. That is going to Happen ! I already know that we have the funds for that as I’ve enquired about our budget for #1 and #10 tee sighs for advertising the tournament schedule.

 

Thanks for the idea. Seems like the simplest things escape us and yet make the biggest difference sometimes !

[Augster]

Mark speaks the truth about the GHIN app and peer review. I’m not on our HC, but I play with a lot of the guys in my club quite regularly. So I have most everyone in my app as a partner. I can look everything up quickly. Even when questions from other friends ask about so and so. Etc.

 

The miriad of guys I play with know I’m watching score postings etc. and try to post all scores. If I know a guy played 4 times last week and I only see 2 scores, I’ll get on him about it. We’ve already had a couple of handicap cheats quit the club due, I feel, to the added scrutiny. The watching of score posting by myself, and others that enjoy using the app, and being called out when they don’t post.

 

It’s a fantastic app to have peer review at your fingertips full time.

 

 

[deadsolid...shank]

Mark speaks the truth about the GHIN app and peer review. I’m not on our HC, but I play with a lot of the guys in my club quite regularly. So I have most everyone in my app as a partner. I can look everything up quickly. Even when questions from other friends ask about so and so. Etc.

 

The miriad of guys I play with know I’m watching score postings etc. and try to post all scores. If I know a guy played 4 times last week and I only see 2 scores, I’ll get on him about it. We’ve already had a couple of handicap cheats quit the club due, I feel, to the added scrutiny. The watching of score posting by myself, and others that enjoy using the app, and being called out when they don’t post.

 

It’s a fantastic app to have peer review at your fingertips full time.

 

Yeah, you want to bring out the “watchdog” in our group? Shoot a really good score and don’t post it right away. You might make it til noon the day after before texts start flying!