Rory -- I like where he's headed....

[Joker91]

> @"Cool Runnings" said:

> Joker91, why do you disagree on “needing “ is ego driven & “caring” is inspiration driven?

 

I'm a simple man, I see a troll and I click disagree

[marmaduk]

> @Obee said:

> I could easily see myself becoming a fan again if he keeps this up. People can and do change ... sometimes.

>

>

 

Careful. You may start cheering for Patrick Reed with that kind of attitude.

 

 

[Cool Runnings]

You just said you “agree”, but then continued to say why you don’t agree. You agreed to the premise “Pressure is all relative to that person and their circumstances.”… so this applies equally to golfers / pros.

 

If you associate what you win / lose / earn / possess to who you are (ego) and most people are unconsciously doing this, then you feel more pressure. But if you realize this game the ego plays, and you understand it’s just that, a game in your mind with your ego… then this facade crumbles and opens up the opportunity for people to recreate a new model of the world and themselves, but from a more empowering conscious position.

 

> @3jacker said:

> > @"Cool Runnings" said:

> > Pressure is all relative to that person and their circumstances. Try telling a teenager that passing their exams is “NOT pressure it’s ludicrous”.

> >

> > > @3jacker said:

> > > I don't think it's pressure at all.

> > >

> > > Pressure is raising a family and losing your job.

> > > Or hiding from law enforcement while on the run.

> > > Not getting your 4th major is so much NOT pressure it's ludicrous.

> >

> >

>

> I agree. But I don't think a person in Rory's position in life feels the pressure to win a major or complete a slam like that. Any of them. Not one pro.

 

 

[Cool Runnings]

I hope you realise the irony of you “trolling” me when myself and others are simply having legitimate open discussions on various topics.

 

Trying joining in conversations instead of trolling and hiding behind your Disagree / Spam / Abuse buttons. Thanks.

 

;)

 

> @Joker91 said:

> > @"Cool Runnings" said:

> > Joker91, why do you disagree on “needing “ is ego driven & “caring” is inspiration driven?

>

> I'm a simple man, I see a troll and I click disagree

 

 

[3jacker]

I agree that pressure is relative to a person. But I don't believe that top pros are feeling that relative pressure that fans ascribe to them.

 

These 2 statements are not contradictions.

[Cool Runnings]

You do realise pressure comes from both internal and externally? And often the very top athletes are such perfectionists and demand an incredibly high level of performance that the pressure they put on themselves is often far higher than any external pressure?

 

> @3jacker said:

> I agree that pressure is relative to a person. But I don't believe that top pros are feeling that relative pressure that fans ascribe to them.

>

> These 2 statements are not contradictions.

 

 

[3jacker]

Meh. Nah.

[Cool Runnings]

Do you disagree that players can feel internal pressure?

 

> @3jacker said:

> Meh. Nah.

 

 

[bladehunter]

> @bscinstnct said:

> > @"Cool Runnings" said:

> > Rory “cares” about winning, but “caring” is very different to “needing” to win. “Needing” is ego driven, “caring” is inspiration driven. Rory’s model of himself and the world has evolved. That’s what he’s sharing with us.

> >

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @legitimategolf said:

> > > > Rory is still hedging his bets emotionally. Keeps talking about "I am not my score" "I am not my result" and other such -isms. I don't like it. For a competitor, he seems so afraid of getting his heart broke. He sets super low expectations for himself. He said this week that he wants "dearly" to win the Masters, and if it doesn't happen this week, "that's fine". LOL what a wuss. That's why I am a Tiger Woods fan, that guy hates to not win.

> > >

> > > Yep. That’s what I was driving at.

> > >

> > > He’s trying to fake himself out I fear. I don’t personally think the trick is to not care. I think the trick is to be able to get back up and care again after being punched in the jewels.

> >

> >

>

> Call it what you want

> But he needs to "care" enough to step on his competitors throats and grind them into dust and sprinkle it onto their own graves.

> But in a "caring" way, of course ; )

 

Yep. That’s the care I’m talking about. That killer streak. I just don’t see it. Yet. I know he has a small streak of it.

 

What I meant by genuine is this meditation “ what will be will be” attitude. He sounds like he trying hard to convince himself in my opinion. Like a security blanket. I’d rather see a devil May care attitude and a go out and rip it Approach. Truly not care if you’re going to not care. Go play Phil golf. Shoot 64 or 80. This reads like it’s a net to fall into. A “ well I said I didn’t have to win this week. So it’s all good “ thing. Is it ? Is continuing to let this place own you “ all good “. ?

 

And also. When did ego become a bad thing ? Jack still has a large one. Tigers has its own mailing address. I mean ? I’m confused. Loll I don’t know a great athlete who doesn’t have one.

[Cool Runnings]

It was Tiger’s “ego” that led him to sleeping with multiple prostitutes while his wife was carrying their child, it was “ego” that led him to bulk up to the degree of ruining his body, it was “ego” that led to him being arrested driving under the influence.

 

Jack “cared” more about being utlra competitive, but he also did it with character and class. Jack’s way is more in line with Rory.

 

> @bladehunter said:

> > @bscinstnct said:

> > > @"Cool Runnings" said:

> > > Rory “cares” about winning, but “caring” is very different to “needing” to win. “Needing” is ego driven, “caring” is inspiration driven. Rory’s model of himself and the world has evolved. That’s what he’s sharing with us.

> > >

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @legitimategolf said:

> > > > > Rory is still hedging his bets emotionally. Keeps talking about "I am not my score" "I am not my result" and other such -isms. I don't like it. For a competitor, he seems so afraid of getting his heart broke. He sets super low expectations for himself. He said this week that he wants "dearly" to win the Masters, and if it doesn't happen this week, "that's fine". LOL what a wuss. That's why I am a Tiger Woods fan, that guy hates to not win.

> > > >

> > > > Yep. That’s what I was driving at.

> > > >

> > > > He’s trying to fake himself out I fear. I don’t personally think the trick is to not care. I think the trick is to be able to get back up and care again after being punched in the jewels.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Call it what you want

> > But he needs to "care" enough to step on his competitors throats and grind them into dust and sprinkle it onto their own graves.

> > But in a "caring" way, of course ; )

>

> Yep. That’s the care I’m talking about. That killer streak. I just don’t see it. Yet. I know he has a small streak of it.

>

> What I meant by genuine is this meditation “ what will be will be” attitude. He sounds like he trying hard to convince himself in my opinion. Like a security blanket. I’d rather see a devil May care attitude and a go out and rip it Approach. Truly not care if you’re going to not care. Go play Phil golf. Shoot 64 or 80. This reads like it’s a net to fall into. A “ well I said I didn’t have to win this week. So it’s all good “ thing. Is it ? Is continuing to let this place own you “ all good “. ?

>

> And also. When did ego become a bad thing ? Jack still has a large one. Tigers has its own mailing address. I mean ? I’m confused. Loll I don’t know a great athlete who doesn’t have one.

 

 

[bladehunter]

> @"Cool Runnings" said:

> It was Tiger’s “ego” that led him to sleeping with multiple prostitutes while his wife was carrying their child, it was “ego” that led him to bulk up to the degree of ruining his body, it was “ego” that led to him being arrested driving under the influence.

>

> Jack “cared” more about being utlra competitive, but he also did it with character and class. Jack’s way is more in line with Rory.

>

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @bscinstnct said:

> > > > @"Cool Runnings" said:

> > > > Rory “cares” about winning, but “caring” is very different to “needing” to win. “Needing” is ego driven, “caring” is inspiration driven. Rory’s model of himself and the world has evolved. That’s what he’s sharing with us.

> > > >

> > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > @legitimategolf said:

> > > > > > Rory is still hedging his bets emotionally. Keeps talking about "I am not my score" "I am not my result" and other such -isms. I don't like it. For a competitor, he seems so afraid of getting his heart broke. He sets super low expectations for himself. He said this week that he wants "dearly" to win the Masters, and if it doesn't happen this week, "that's fine". LOL what a wuss. That's why I am a Tiger Woods fan, that guy hates to not win.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yep. That’s what I was driving at.

> > > > >

> > > > > He’s trying to fake himself out I fear. I don’t personally think the trick is to not care. I think the trick is to be able to get back up and care again after being punched in the jewels.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Call it what you want

> > > But he needs to "care" enough to step on his competitors throats and grind them into dust and sprinkle it onto their own graves.

> > > But in a "caring" way, of course ; )

> >

> > Yep. That’s the care I’m talking about. That killer streak. I just don’t see it. Yet. I know he has a small streak of it.

> >

> > What I meant by genuine is this meditation “ what will be will be” attitude. He sounds like he trying hard to convince himself in my opinion. Like a security blanket. I’d rather see a devil May care attitude and a go out and rip it Approach. Truly not care if you’re going to not care. Go play Phil golf. Shoot 64 or 80. This reads like it’s a net to fall into. A “ well I said I didn’t have to win this week. So it’s all good “ thing. Is it ? Is continuing to let this place own you “ all good “. ?

> >

> > And also. When did ego become a bad thing ? Jack still has a large one. Tigers has its own mailing address. I mean ? I’m confused. Loll I don’t know a great athlete who doesn’t have one.

>

>

 

Sure. But it also led him to play the greatest golf the planet has ever seen. You have to have an ego that is unreasonable to even begin to be able to play to that level. You have to believe that you can at your core. When there’s no reason or past record to believe that. That ego driven. Every great golfer has “ faked it till he/she made it “. No other choice. It’s an individual sport with nobody to lean on. Rory has one too. Today. He’s trying to suppress it. It probably won’t end in more confidence. His caddie had it right. “ you’re Rory F******* mcilroy “ And he fired him for it.

 

 

I truly don’t wish him ill. I just don’t understand his refusal to let go and be great.

[Cool Runnings]

You have it the other way round… All of Tiger’s records and trophies mean far less to him than his kids. Tiger gets that now. Rory understands this now. Jack understood about the ego very early on also, and ultimately was able to win 18 majors, build his legacy of character & integrity, and created a beautiful big family to boot… all because he “cared” more than his ego “needed”.

 

> @bladehunter said:

> > @"Cool Runnings" said:

> > It was Tiger’s “ego” that led him to sleeping with multiple prostitutes while his wife was carrying their child, it was “ego” that led him to bulk up to the degree of ruining his body, it was “ego” that led to him being arrested driving under the influence.

> >

> > Jack “cared” more about being utlra competitive, but he also did it with character and class. Jack’s way is more in line with Rory.

> >

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @bscinstnct said:

> > > > > @"Cool Runnings" said:

> > > > > Rory “cares” about winning, but “caring” is very different to “needing” to win. “Needing” is ego driven, “caring” is inspiration driven. Rory’s model of himself and the world has evolved. That’s what he’s sharing with us.

> > > > >

> > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > @legitimategolf said:

> > > > > > > Rory is still hedging his bets emotionally. Keeps talking about "I am not my score" "I am not my result" and other such -isms. I don't like it. For a competitor, he seems so afraid of getting his heart broke. He sets super low expectations for himself. He said this week that he wants "dearly" to win the Masters, and if it doesn't happen this week, "that's fine". LOL what a wuss. That's why I am a Tiger Woods fan, that guy hates to not win.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yep. That’s what I was driving at.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He’s trying to fake himself out I fear. I don’t personally think the trick is to not care. I think the trick is to be able to get back up and care again after being punched in the jewels.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Call it what you want

> > > > But he needs to "care" enough to step on his competitors throats and grind them into dust and sprinkle it onto their own graves.

> > > > But in a "caring" way, of course ; )

> > >

> > > Yep. That’s the care I’m talking about. That killer streak. I just don’t see it. Yet. I know he has a small streak of it.

> > >

> > > What I meant by genuine is this meditation “ what will be will be” attitude. He sounds like he trying hard to convince himself in my opinion. Like a security blanket. I’d rather see a devil May care attitude and a go out and rip it Approach. Truly not care if you’re going to not care. Go play Phil golf. Shoot 64 or 80. This reads like it’s a net to fall into. A “ well I said I didn’t have to win this week. So it’s all good “ thing. Is it ? Is continuing to let this place own you “ all good “. ?

> > >

> > > And also. When did ego become a bad thing ? Jack still has a large one. Tigers has its own mailing address. I mean ? I’m confused. Loll I don’t know a great athlete who doesn’t have one.

> >

> >

>

> Sure. But it also led him to play the greatest golf the planet has ever seen. You have to have an ego that is unreasonable to even begin to be able to play to that level. You have to believe that you can at your core. When there’s no reason or past record to believe that. That ego driven. Every great golfer has “ faked it till he/she made it “. No other choice. It’s an individual sport with nobody to lean on. Rory has one too. Today. He’s trying to suppress it. It probably won’t end in more confidence. His caddie had it right. “ you’re Rory F******* mcilroy “ And he fired him for it.

>

>

> I truly don’t wish him ill. I just don’t understand his refusal to let go and be great.

 

 

[bladehunter]

I’m not sure why kids enter into that. Of course I agree with that. Ego doesn’t have to be all controlling. It’s not an either or scenario.

 

You don’t have to be ego free to be humble . And you don’t have to be an ego maniac to be incredibly confident in one arena.

 

Take steph curry. I’m sure in bastekball he knows And tells himself he’s the best shooter on the floor. And generally he is. He also has enough confidence to play in TV with pro golfers. But the guy is incredibly humble otherwise.

 

If competition isn’t to feed the ego. Or to really pacify it ( we can’t go conquer the neighboring townships anymore etc ) then What is it’s purpose ? Why was sport invented ?

[Cool Runnings]

Think of ego like water, too much and it can drown you. Jack & Rory understand this balance, Tiger’s had to learn it the hard way.

 

> @bladehunter said:

> I’m not sure why kids enter into that. Of course I agree with that. Ego doesn’t have to be all controlling. It’s not an either or scenario.

>

> You don’t have to be ego free to be humble . And you don’t have to be an ego maniac to be incredibly confident in one arena.

>

> Take steph curry. I’m sure in bastekball he knows And tells himself he’s the best shooter on the floor. And generally he is. He also has enough confidence to play in TV with pro golfers. But the guy is incredibly humble otherwise.

>

> If competition isn’t to feed the ego. Or to really pacify it ( we can’t go conquer the neighboring townships anymore etc ) then What is it’s purpose ? Why was sport invented ?

 

 

[3jacker]

One cannot be free from ego. Humans anyway. It's part of us and not a bad thing.

To be ego-centric is a bad thing.

[bladehunter]

> @"Cool Runnings" said:

> Think of ego like water, too much and it can drown you. Jack & Rory understand this balance, Tiger’s had to learn it the hard way.

>

> > @bladehunter said:

> > I’m not sure why kids enter into that. Of course I agree with that. Ego doesn’t have to be all controlling. It’s not an either or scenario.

> >

> > You don’t have to be ego free to be humble . And you don’t have to be an ego maniac to be incredibly confident in one arena.

> >

> > Take steph curry. I’m sure in bastekball he knows And tells himself he’s the best shooter on the floor. And generally he is. He also has enough confidence to play in TV with pro golfers. But the guy is incredibly humble otherwise.

> >

> > If competition isn’t to feed the ego. Or to really pacify it ( we can’t go conquer the neighboring townships anymore etc ) then What is it’s purpose ? Why was sport invented ?

>

>

 

Sure. I agree with that. I’m just saying we need to have some of it.

 

I’m just afraid Rory is tipping to much the other way. But I don’t claim to “ know” that he is.

[Cool Runnings]

He’s playing some of the best most consistent golf of his career and just won the 5th major. So his results prove otherwise.

 

> @bladehunter said:

> > @"Cool Runnings" said:

> > Think of ego like water, too much and it can drown you. Jack & Rory understand this balance, Tiger’s had to learn it the hard way.

> >

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > I’m not sure why kids enter into that. Of course I agree with that. Ego doesn’t have to be all controlling. It’s not an either or scenario.

> > >

> > > You don’t have to be ego free to be humble . And you don’t have to be an ego maniac to be incredibly confident in one arena.

> > >

> > > Take steph curry. I’m sure in bastekball he knows And tells himself he’s the best shooter on the floor. And generally he is. He also has enough confidence to play in TV with pro golfers. But the guy is incredibly humble otherwise.

> > >

> > > If competition isn’t to feed the ego. Or to really pacify it ( we can’t go conquer the neighboring townships anymore etc ) then What is it’s purpose ? Why was sport invented ?

> >

> >

>

> Sure. I agree with that. I’m just saying we need to have some of it.

>

> I’m just afraid Rory is tipping to much the other way. But I don’t claim to “ know” that he is.

 

 

[bladehunter]

Lol. There is no 5th major. Until he wins more majors I can’t see how it’s as good as before. But he’s definitely on the uptick overall

[Jackhammer993]

I think Rory suffered from paralysis by analysis at times. He cares, he doesn’t care. He’s happy with himself?? He doesn’t need to justify those things to anyone but he feels the need to do so. I am dissapointed on days like today but what it comes down to is he just can’t seem to figure himself out. Out of all the top players he struggles more mentally than any of them. Not sure I can think of a worthy comparison.

[Cool Runnings]

Yesterday Rory wasn’t sharp, and this happened to many other top players also i.e. Rose, Garcia, Reed, Schauffele, Stenson, Spieth, Casey, it’s called golf. And out of all the top players Rory’s up there in mental toughness as proved by his recent Players win when things weren’t going his way early on but battling back and playing the final 3 holes in champion like fashion.

 

> @Jackhammer993 said:

> I think Rory suffered from paralysis by analysis at times. He cares, he doesn’t care. He’s happy with himself?? He doesn’t need to justify those things to anyone but he feels the need to do so. I am dissapointed on days like today but what it comes down to is he just can’t seem to figure himself out. Out of all the top players he struggles more mentally than any of them. Not sure I can think of a worthy comparison.

 

 

[Cool Runnings]

It’s regularly called the ‘5th major’ because of it being the flagship PGA Tour event and with it having the deepest fields of all PGA Tour events. And of course because of Rory’s level of talent he will only be judged by winning majors, but he’s got 4 already in this deeper modern era, can he win more, sure - will he? Who knows… it’s similar with Tiger, Tiger has yet to win a full fielded event since coming back, but is still being measured by how many majors he can win against this new deeper era of golfers. Can Tiger win a major, I’m less sure on that compared to Rory, but it’s certainly possible. Will he? Again, who knows…

 

> @bladehunter said:

> Lol. There is no 5th major. Until he wins more majors I can’t see how it’s as good as before. But he’s definitely on the uptick overall

 

 

[3jacker]

He's headed for a missed cut is where he's headed. For Palm Beach Gardens, FL on Saturday. Or maybe Dubai.