Champions tour vs PGA tour....

[JohnnyCashForever]

> @Titleist99 said:

> My question is.....Is better to go dominate on the champions tour or bottom feed on the regular tour ?

 

I think John Milton figuratively addressed that question a few years ago.

 

 

[Shilgy]

> @Titleist99 said:

> > @Shilgy said:

> > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > @dlygrisse said:

> > > > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > > I think Vijay Singh could have dominated the Champions Tour had he embraced it at the age of fifty, but he could not let it go.

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> > > > yeah, so? Why would he hang out with a bunch of "has beens" when he can still compete on the biggest stage in the world? He made tons of money, that's not the issue, he like competing. The Senior tour was big in the 1980's because it gave guys like Trevino, Chi Chi, Colbert, then Irwin, a chance to earn some real money as the tour didn't really make anyone rich back in the day. Only guys like Palmer, Nicklaus and Watson really made a lot, and that was mostly from outside business interests. Those guys needed the money to retire comfortably. If I were Phil I would NOT play...maybe the US Senior Open, or British, but thats it. Tiger, no freaking way....why destroy your back chasing senior tour wins when you are a billionaire? As for guys like Stricker....I guess it's whether or not they like hanging out and traveling with old friends, does the competitive fire still burn? Trevino called the Senior tour his annuity, he was dead broke, and became the best senior ever till Irwin came along. Jack just did it for fun, and usually won when he played.

> > > While I agree with most of what you are saying.....I have to say that the object of being competitive is winning, picking up the trophy. I would rather rule in **** than serve in heaven (so to speak). The lower tier guys may play ffor money but the others play for the thrill of victory. The best years on the Champion tour is from 50-55....don't waste them trying to make the cut on the junior tour. Phil do not have many 50 year old friend out there....LOL!

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> > Not everyone would want to beat up on a lesser tour like you profess you would. What would be the point? What would you be proving? Do you sign up for the forward tee flight at your club when you can still compete for the club championship?

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> > But to each his own.

> Yes, I'd rather play the front tees and beat women an children all day...

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Lol ?

[2putttom]

some of you gumbas are having a hard time facing mortality. Life doesn't end after fifty.

[QuigleyDU]

I think some of the top champions tour guys at the right events on the Reg PGA tour can still make a splash. The trick is knowing your game, your limits, and what events match up well with that to try and maximize your payout.

[tbowles411]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> I think some of the top champions tour guys at the right events on the Reg PGA tour can still make a splash. The trick is knowing your game, your limits, and what events match up well with that to try and maximize your payout.

You mean like choosing the courses where you feel you can compete and be competitive? Sounds familiar...a couple of big name guys said that this year. I wish I could remember who...

 

[QuigleyDU]

> @tbowles411 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > I think some of the top champions tour guys at the right events on the Reg PGA tour can still make a splash. The trick is knowing your game, your limits, and what events match up well with that to try and maximize your payout.

> You mean like choosing the courses where you feel you can compete and be competitive? Sounds familiar...a couple of big name guys said that this year. I wish I could remember who...

>

 

yeah, that exactly... Great minds think a'like.

[JaNelson38]

There are plenty of Champions Tour players who, right now, could compete on the PGA Tour and probably hold their own.

 

Ive been to a Champions Tour event, and watched guys hit up close. There's still plenty of competitive fire amongst those guys, even if the atmosphere between the competitors is a bit "lax" compared to the big tour. And most of those guys can still move the ball out there amazingly well. I think the big difference between the PGA Tour and the Champions Tour is not ballstriking...its putting. There just aren't many great putters on the Champions Tour, which is understandable considering putting is usually the first thing that drops off considerably in golf with age.

 

The atmosphere for the fans is, in my opinion, top notch on the Champions Tour. Tons of interaction. At the Champions Tour event I went to last year in Madison, the guys are chatting it up with fans on the range and the practice green. My 7-year old son is getting atta-boys from Vijay Singh on the driving range at the kids area while he hits balls as he passes through going to his practice tee. And because most of the events are 3 rounds, the scores are usually more bunched up, leading to close finishes. I personally had a great time, and plan on attending again this year.

[puttfordoux]

I've been to one Champions Tour event, a major, and these guys certainly care and have not lost their competitive edge. What surprised me is the f-bombs a couple players dropped after hitting bad shots.

It'll be curious to see how well they will do at Firestone, which held a WGC event for years and now will host a Champions Tour major. Not sure how the crowds will compare but I certainly will attend. The tournament is honoring Fred Couples as an Ambassador.

[Golfjack]

So think the perfect answer as Stricker has shown is to play both. Boom

[Lagavulin62]

> @2putttom said:

> some of you gumbas are having a hard time facing mortality. Life doesn't end after fifty.

 

No it doesn’t, but interests change. I got some text messages yesterday with photos from friends who are in FL on a golf vacation. PGA of America is where they played yesterday. Beautiful courses and 20 years ago I would have been envious. Not today, in fact I don’t think I could do more than a couple of rounds. It just doesn’t hold my interest like it used to. That translates somewhat into watching the game except for the majors on regular tour and some of the big tournaments. The Senior Tour just seems like a huge let down the times I have tried to watch it. And I just can’t take it. What other professional league does this? Would you watch the Senior NBA, NHL, MLB? I look at it more from a fan’s point of view. As a player, I just have developed other interests.

[2putttom]

> @Lagavulin62 said:

> > @2putttom said:

> > some of you gumbas are having a hard time facing mortality. Life doesn't end after fifty.

>

> No it doesn’t, but interests change. I got some text messages yesterday with photos from friends who are in FL on a golf vacation. PGA of America is where they played yesterday. Beautiful courses and 20 years ago I would have been envious. Not today, in fact I don’t think I could do more than a couple of rounds. It just doesn’t hold my interest like it used to. That translates somewhat into watching the game except for the majors on regular tour and some of the big tournaments. The Senior Tour just seems like a huge let down the times I have tried to watch it. And I just can’t take it. What other professional league does this? Would you watch the Senior NBA, NHL, MLB? I look at it more from a fan’s point of view. As a player, I just have developed other interests.

 

I was headin' your way a couple of years ago. Surmised my interest and options and got involved with volunteer work. First tee, organizer for club tournaments, volunteer for USGA events. Keeps mind and body busy and interested.

[Titleist99]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> I think some of the top champions tour guys at the right events on the Reg PGA tour can still make a splash. The trick is knowing your game, your limits, and what events match up well with that to try and maximize your payout.

Wow....that sound so simple. In the history of the PGA tour only seven players over the age of 50 have won an event. From age 50-55 you are considered a young buck on the Champions Tour......Not everyone is going to be like Hale Irwin or Bernhard Langer and win well into their sixties. But one thing I know is that the ones that embrace it does well because that is their prime years on the Senior Tour. Jack even won ten events on that tour. Just my take.

 

[playar32]

I think the biggest think is the "locker room". I know other athletes talk about missing that the most. It's kinda like having a job you like but pays less, vs one you hate that pays more. Probably a good percentage could still "compete" on the PGA tour, but it would be a little more grueling, you have to pick your spots more as said.

 

Also, a lot of guys on the senior are looking to pick up checks. Kinda like a big fish small pond think. Look at David Toms, probably gets more people clamoring for him in the Senior pro ams than on the regular tour.

[Titleist99]

For every Tiger, Phil and Jim Furyk there is hundreds of tour players who game drops off during their forties due to missed cuts, lack of practice etc.. Most look forward to seeing old friends, traveling with family and doing pro ams, on the Champions tour where there is no cut, using carts if they choose to. And if they still have game they can make a boat load of money while still being competitive.

[QuigleyDU]

> @Titleist99 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > I think some of the top champions tour guys at the right events on the Reg PGA tour can still make a splash. The trick is knowing your game, your limits, and what events match up well with that to try and maximize your payout.

> Wow....that sound so simple. In the history of the PGA tour only seven players over the age of 50 have won an event. From age 50-55 you are considered a young buck on the Champions Tour......Not everyone is going to be like Hale Irwin or Bernhard Langer and win well into their sixties. But one thing I know is that the ones that embrace it does well because that is their prime years on the Senior Tour. Jack even won ten events on that tour. Just my take.

>

 

when you consider the payouts. It makes sense to try and tee up a regular pga event. Even if you do not win you will make more money assuming you make the cut.

[Titleist99]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @Titleist99 said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > I think some of the top champions tour guys at the right events on the Reg PGA tour can still make a splash. The trick is knowing your game, your limits, and what events match up well with that to try and maximize your payout.

> > Wow....that sound so simple. In the history of the PGA tour only seven players over the age of 50 have won an event. From age 50-55 you are considered a young buck on the Champions Tour......Not everyone is going to be like Hale Irwin or Bernhard Langer and win well into their sixties. But one thing I know is that the ones that embrace it does well because that is their prime years on the Senior Tour. Jack even won ten events on that tour. Just my take.

> >

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> when you consider the payouts. It makes sense to try and tee up a regular pga event. Even if you do not win you will make more money assuming you make the cut.

I have considered the pay out. Lets take Stricker for instance, he has made more this year on the Champions tour this year than the regular tour unless the graphics that Lanny Watkins put up on the screen is false,

 

[Night train]

I think many of the Champions Tour players enjoy the competion with the players that they competed with in their "glory days"

[Lagavulin62]

> @2putttom said:

> > @Lagavulin62 said:

> > > @2putttom said:

> > > some of you gumbas are having a hard time facing mortality. Life doesn't end after fifty.

> >

> > No it doesn’t, but interests change. I got some text messages yesterday with photos from friends who are in FL on a golf vacation. PGA of America is where they played yesterday. Beautiful courses and 20 years ago I would have been envious. Not today, in fact I don’t think I could do more than a couple of rounds. It just doesn’t hold my interest like it used to. That translates somewhat into watching the game except for the majors on regular tour and some of the big tournaments. The Senior Tour just seems like a huge let down the times I have tried to watch it. And I just can’t take it. What other professional league does this? Would you watch the Senior NBA, NHL, MLB? I look at it more from a fan’s point of view. As a player, I just have developed other interests.

>

> I was headin' your way a couple of years ago. Surmised my interest and options and got involved with volunteer work. First tee, organizer for club tournaments, volunteer for USGA events. Keeps mind and body busy and interested.

 

Yes, good points.

[vman]

I think individuals will make an assessment of where their game is at and whether they still enjoy the PGA Tour and whether, with their best game, they can still compete. Nice to have the option when you get to 50 to be able to play on both tours. Nothing, I'm sure, would be sweeter for an over 50 to beat all the younger guys on the regular tour though. It won't be about the money for the likes of Singh or Stricker, they just love to compete, but no doubt it gets harder to do so against the best as you enter your 50's.

[2putttom]

Everyone gets a pay check for showing up on the PGA tour.> @Lagavulin62 said:

> > @2putttom said:

> > > @Lagavulin62 said:

> > > > @2putttom said:

> > > > some of you gumbas are having a hard time facing mortality. Life doesn't end after fifty.

> > >

> > > No it doesn’t, but interests change. I got some text messages yesterday with photos from friends who are in FL on a golf vacation. PGA of America is where they played yesterday. Beautiful courses and 20 years ago I would have been envious. Not today, in fact I don’t think I could do more than a couple of rounds. It just doesn’t hold my interest like it used to. That translates somewhat into watching the game except for the majors on regular tour and some of the big tournaments. The Senior Tour just seems like a huge let down the times I have tried to watch it. And I just can’t take it. What other professional league does this? Would you watch the Senior NBA, NHL, MLB? I look at it more from a fan’s point of view. As a player, I just have developed other interests.

> >

> > I was headin' your way a couple of years ago. Surmised my interest and options and got involved with volunteer work. First tee, organizer for club tournaments, volunteer for USGA events. Keeps mind and body busy and interested.

>

> Yes, good points.

 

your spectacular

[straightshot7]

> @Hawkeye77 said:

> Nobody dominating the Champions Tour was a PGA Tour "bottom feeder" - whatever that means.

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> Where do you come up with this stuff?

 

He meant from the age of 50 and beyond. How do you miss that?

 

While "bottom feeder" may be an exaggeration, the general idea is true. How many guys have been top players on the PGA Tour in their 50s and 60s?

 

How many have won a tournament or been a top 50 player?

 

Even the greatest players of all time will inevitably become "bottom feeders" at some point if they continue to play on the PGA Tour and don't retire or move to the Champions Tour. The question is should they move on as soon as possible or not.

[2putttom]

Champions Tour should follow suit with the Made in Denmark tourney, with the players walking thru beer garden , heading to the next tee. https://www.golf.com/news/2019/05/22/players-must-walk-heineken-tent-reach-tee-euro-tour/

[wmblake2000]

I was thinking sort of a related thing today... wondering if a really successful Champions career after a mediocre PGA career could ever land someone in the Hall of Fame? In other words, is the Champions tour really considered as a serious thing by those kinds of prestige bestowers? I would hope so... and with that bias, if I were a PGA tour member tourning 50, I would jump on it - even if I am a Phil or Tiger - and cement my legacy. I mean if Phil comes out and wins 10 Champions majors (and let's face it, he's never wining the US Open - and if he wins Pebble this year, well, shut my mouth), then in my mind his reputation only is enhanced.

[SNIPERBBB]

If you dont need the money and just want to go have some fun and still compete without the media pressure, I'd play on the champions.

[golfandfishing]

Chi Chi Rodriguez had a relatively nothing of a Pga tour career and a splendid Sr Pga Tour career and is in the hall of fame. I believe the reasons for his induction are mostly because he was an “ambassador” of the game but his regular tour playing record certainly didn’t get him there and his senior playing record brought him far more notoriety as a player.

 

Depends on what you mean by “better”. Is it better to win once and collect $1> @wmblake2000 said:

> I was thinking sort of a related thing today... wondering if a really successful Champions career after a mediocre PGA career could ever land someone in the Hall of Fame? In other words, is the Champions tour really considered as a serious thing by those kinds of prestige bestowers? I would hope so... and with that bias, if I were a PGA tour member tourning 50, I would jump on it - even if I am a Phil or Tiger - and cement my legacy. I mean if Phil comes out and wins 10 Champions majors (and let's face it, he's never wining the US Open - and if he wins Pebble this year, well, shut my mouth), then in my mind his reputation only is enhanced.

 

 

[JAMH03]

They all say... they're going to hang out on the PGA tour for as long as they can... then they end up focusing on the Senior tour.

 

As always better is going to be relative to what the player wants to do.

 

 

[buckeyefl]

> @JAMH03 said:

> They all say... they're going to hang out on the PGA tour for as long as they can... then they end up focusing on the Senior tour.

>

> As always better is going to be relative to what the player wants to do.

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Actually very few say that. The hang around as long as they can and compete when they can to keep their games sharp before turning 50. The VAST majority do not hang around once the hit 50 and those that do compete on the PGA mostly do so because of sponsors, past champions status or the course really suits their game. Hanging out as long as you can with a tour that pays so well is not really a bad idea though if you can still make cuts.

[grm24]

> @golfandfishing said:

> Chi Chi Rodriguez had a relatively nothing of a Pga tour career and a splendid Sr Pga Tour career and is in the hall of fame.

>

Chi-Chi won 8 times on the PGA Tour. That's a pretty good step above a relatively nothing career.

 

[JAMH03]

> @buckeyefl said:

> > @JAMH03 said:

> > They all say... they're going to hang out on the PGA tour for as long as they can... then they end up focusing on the Senior tour.

> >

> > As always better is going to be relative to what the player wants to do.

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> Actually very few say that. The hang around as long as they can and compete when they can to keep their games sharp before turning 50. The VAST majority do not hang around once the hit 50 and those that do compete on the PGA mostly do so because of sponsors, past champions status or the course really suits their game. Hanging out as long as you can with a tour that pays so well is not really a bad idea though if you can still make cuts.

 

Not even sure what you're disagreeing with?

 

When I say they all say that I mean most of the one's I listen to or care about say that they still think they have some noise to make on the regular tour and will spend time there.

 

Then their actions show they focus on the senior tour. Maybe you and I are listening to players at different times IDK?

 

 

[golfandfishing]

Not in terms of the Hall of Fame, the subject of the question. 8 wins and a handful of top tens at majors won’t get you on the ballot. But his senior career coupled with his minority status and third world upbringing put him squarely in the HOF. Aside from media and administration he must be, by far, the least qualified based on an under 50 playing record.

 

> @grm24 said:

> > @golfandfishing said:

> > Chi Chi Rodriguez had a relatively nothing of a Pga tour career and a splendid Sr Pga Tour career and is in the hall of fame.

> >

> Chi-Chi won 8 times on the PGA Tour. That's a pretty good step above a relatively nothing career.

>