Big gap between PW and GW

Insidious2 · May 23, 2019

Long story short, I have about a 20-25 yard gap between my gap wedge and my pitching wedge. I have generally been choking down on the PW when I need to split that difference, but I'm not super consistent with it and really struggle to get to that 10 yards above GW. My wedges go 58-54-50-PW46(srixon785); long clubs are 4i, then driving iron, 3wood, driver. I use the driving iron and 3W a lot, and the 58 is my primary around the green club.

Tips on how to approach experimenting with a fix? Should I start by strengthening the 54 and 50 degree? I don't think bending the 50 even 2 degrees would cover even 10 yards.The irons are srixon with v-sole so I don't really want to mess with bending those. The only thing that seems like it would come close to closing the gap would be changing up to a 56-50-46-PW46, or getting rid of the 58 and adding the AW from the 785 set, which is 51*.

Thoughts?

Davidelliott100 · May 23, 2019

Could get a GW that fits with your set, and then go something more like 52-58. Lofts are less important than gapping I feel like.

nostatic · May 23, 2019

> @Go_Time said:

> Long story short, I have about a 20-25 yard gap between my gap wedge and my pitching wedge. I have generally been choking down on the PW when I need to split that difference, but I'm not super consistent with it and really struggle to get to that 10 yards above GW. My wedges go 58-54-50-PW46(srixon785); long clubs are 4i, then driving iron, 3wood, driver. I use the driving iron and 3W a lot, and the 58 is my primary around the green club.

>

> Tips on how to approach experimenting with a fix? Should I start by strengthening the 54 and 50 degree? I don't think bending the 50 even 2 degrees would cover even 10 yards.The irons are srixon with v-sole so I don't really want to mess with bending those. The only thing that seems like it would come close to closing the gap would be changing up to a 56-50-46-PW46, or getting rid of the 58 and adding the AW from the 785 set, which is 51*.

>

> Thoughts?

So you have 20-25 yards between your 46* and 50*? What is the gap between your 9i and 46* PW? If your other iron gaps are fine, then you need to change up the wedges or get comfortable with partial shots.

Assuming that big of a gap, you would need to go with a stronger GW (48*?), then see what your remaining wedge gaps are. Plenty of people do not use the highest loft wedge for full swing. If you use your SW for full swings, then you need whatever loft gives you gaps that you find playable. fwiw my iron gaps are about 10-12 yards, and gap from PW to GW is 15 yards, GW to SW is 15 yards, SW to LW is 15 yards, though I rarely hit the LW full swing.

Insidious2 · May 23, 2019

> @nostatic said:

> > @Go_Time said:

> > Long story short, I have about a 20-25 yard gap between my gap wedge and my pitching wedge. I have generally been choking down on the PW when I need to split that difference, but I'm not super consistent with it and really struggle to get to that 10 yards above GW. My wedges go 58-54-50-PW46(srixon785); long clubs are 4i, then driving iron, 3wood, driver. I use the driving iron and 3W a lot, and the 58 is my primary around the green club.

> >

> > Tips on how to approach experimenting with a fix? Should I start by strengthening the 54 and 50 degree? I don't think bending the 50 even 2 degrees would cover even 10 yards.The irons are srixon with v-sole so I don't really want to mess with bending those. The only thing that seems like it would come close to closing the gap would be changing up to a 56-50-46-PW46, or getting rid of the 58 and adding the AW from the 785 set, which is 51*.

> >

> > Thoughts?

>

> So you have 20-25 yards between your 46* and 50*? What is the gap between your 9i and 46* PW? If your other iron gaps are fine, then you need to change up the wedges or get comfortable with partial shots.

>

> Assuming that big of a gap, you would need to go with a stronger GW (48*?), then see what your remaining wedge gaps are. Plenty of people do not use the highest loft wedge for full swing. If you use your SW for full swings, then you need whatever loft gives you gaps that you find playable. fwiw my iron gaps are about 10-12 yards, and gap from PW to GW is 15 yards, GW to SW is 15 yards, SW to LW is 15 yards, though I rarely hit the LW full swing.

Yeah - 20-25 between my 50 degree gap wedge, and my 46 degree srixon pitching wedge. Gapping from PW-9i and beyond is pretty much the normal spread. I could def try a 48 degree gap wedge but do you really think that 2 degrees would close the gap sufficiently?

jj9000 · May 23, 2019

Sounds like you need a Gap Gap wedge.

nostatic · May 23, 2019

> @Go_Time said:

> > @nostatic said:

> > > @Go_Time said:

> > > Long story short, I have about a 20-25 yard gap between my gap wedge and my pitching wedge. I have generally been choking down on the PW when I need to split that difference, but I'm not super consistent with it and really struggle to get to that 10 yards above GW. My wedges go 58-54-50-PW46(srixon785); long clubs are 4i, then driving iron, 3wood, driver. I use the driving iron and 3W a lot, and the 58 is my primary around the green club.

> > >

> > > Tips on how to approach experimenting with a fix? Should I start by strengthening the 54 and 50 degree? I don't think bending the 50 even 2 degrees would cover even 10 yards.The irons are srixon with v-sole so I don't really want to mess with bending those. The only thing that seems like it would come close to closing the gap would be changing up to a 56-50-46-PW46, or getting rid of the 58 and adding the AW from the 785 set, which is 51*.

> > >

> > > Thoughts?

> >

> > So you have 20-25 yards between your 46* and 50*? What is the gap between your 9i and 46* PW? If your other iron gaps are fine, then you need to change up the wedges or get comfortable with partial shots.

> >

> > Assuming that big of a gap, you would need to go with a stronger GW (48*?), then see what your remaining wedge gaps are. Plenty of people do not use the highest loft wedge for full swing. If you use your SW for full swings, then you need whatever loft gives you gaps that you find playable. fwiw my iron gaps are about 10-12 yards, and gap from PW to GW is 15 yards, GW to SW is 15 yards, SW to LW is 15 yards, though I rarely hit the LW full swing.

>

> Yeah - 20-25 between my 50 degree gap wedge, and my 46 degree srixon pitching wedge. Gapping from PW-9i and beyond is pretty much the normal spread. I could def try a 48 degree gap wedge but do you really think that 2 degrees would close the gap sufficiently?

A 46* PW and your 46* 785 PW should go about the same distance so I don't think that is a solution. Might want to check the lofts on your clubs to see if they are what they claim to be. Could try the set GW, but at 51* is should be a tad shorter than your 50* if anything. Are the shaft lengths comparable? Some guys get irons longer than stock but play a stock wedge so the length differential changes. I play all my irons and wedges 0.25" long. Others like wedges a bit shorter in length. No single right answer.

Insidious2 · May 23, 2019

Lengths are all stock, and everything is new within the last 3 months - lofts could be jacked up might as well check em to knock that off the list. My guess is that the Vokeys spin a lot more than the Srixons and that is exacerbating the spread.

pheenomz4774 · May 23, 2019

Is your gap wedge a traditional wedge? If so, maybe try one of the cavity backed gap wedges from Cleveland. You could get a little more "pop" out of the gap wedge. One person suggested a set gap wedge, one experiment might be to get a actual wedge 46degree and see if you get the same distance difference between your 9 iron and new PW or it helps fix the gaping with length and loft.

CanadaCal · May 23, 2019

Cleveland RTx-4 48.08. They’re $103 on the Bay.

I’m having a similar issue with my Z585 P and my TM Milled Grind 50.

Ultimately I think I’m going to go 48,52,58 and call it a day. Learning how to hit different shots more so then what club I have in my hand, will be beneficial to my game this year and is what I need to work on most.

MelloYello · May 23, 2019

Sounds like you either need to cool down that PW or improve your full-swing on the 50, 54 and 58.

As a relatively good wedge player I have to say, most people just seem to struggle with their wedges. They need to practice more and get used to hitting good wedges that aren't gouged or punchy. On the other hand, a lot of guys just murder their short irons and that's not really appropriate either.

If you feel good with your technique, then I'm afraid you're right. You'll need to switch your lofts around.

kiwihacker · May 23, 2019

The Srixon 785 Gap wedge is 51°. Maybe look at getting the set Gap wedge. It might fit in better with the rest of the set gap wise.

Exactice808 · May 23, 2019

> @Go_Time said:

> Long story short, I have about a 20-25 yard gap between my gap wedge and my pitching wedge. I have generally been choking down on the PW when I need to split that difference, but I'm not super consistent with it and really struggle to get to that 10 yards above GW. My wedges go 58-54-50-PW46(srixon785); long clubs are 4i, then driving iron, 3wood, driver. I use the driving iron and 3W a lot, and the 58 is my primary around the green club.

>

> Tips on how to approach experimenting with a fix? Should I start by strengthening the 54 and 50 degree? I don't think bending the 50 even 2 degrees would cover even 10 yards.The irons are srixon with v-sole so I don't really want to mess with bending those. The only thing that seems like it would come close to closing the gap would be changing up to a 56-50-46-PW46, or getting rid of the 58 and adding the AW from the 785 set, which is 51*.

>

> Thoughts?

Hey Op some randoms thoughts.

I did not see you mention the shafts.

What shafts do you have in your PW Srixon 785 versus your Wedge sets?

I am also assuming your 58,54,50 your follow in post. These are Titlesit models and your PW is a srixon

Can I confirm the shafts in the Titleist set vs the Srixon PW?

I used to have this happen to me when I played 2 different sets. So I used to play around with weight and flex of the shafts especially in my Wedges.

example. I have 2 sets, of wedges to fill certain gaps and greens.

Titleist SM4 60,56,50 wedge flex

Titleist SM5 58,54,50 X100

My MB PW 46* PX 6.0 is about 130 yards

The Wedge flex 50* is about 110 ( so almost 20 yards difference), flies much higher with more spin, Hard greens it stops way better.

The X100 50* is about 118 ( so about a 12 yard difference), flies much lower, Doesn't over spin and more predictable distance control

If you can see just by the Shafts these distance will react very differently on FULL SHOTS. not really partial shots.

The 50* X100 vs 50* Wedge flex is almost 10 yards due to the spin generated by the wedge flex shafts. All specs are basically identical but just the shaft. More so short shaft AoA there is a good chance that spin is being generated.

Do you notice the gap of 20 yards the reaction of the ball is the BALL significantly or at least Noticeably higher in flight with the Gap Wedge? Also when you hit shots into greens with the GAP is it stopping hard or even spinning crazy back?

What about the gaps between your 54 & 50 is it and conversely your 54 & 58 are they spaced out nicely?

IDrive300Fsport · May 23, 2019

Sounds like you have a set of Titleist 718 AP1. Sounds like the same thing I went through. What irons do you have?

Insidious2 · May 23, 2019

> @MelloYello said:

> Sounds like you either need to cool down that PW or improve your full-swing on the 50, 54 and 58.

>

> As a relatively good wedge player I have to say, most people just seem to struggle with their wedges. They need to practice more and get used to hitting good wedges that aren't gouged or punchy. On the other hand, a lot of guys just murder their short irons and that's not really appropriate either.

>

> If you feel good with your technique, then I'm afraid you're right. You'll need to switch your lofts around.

I'm pretty good on wedges, might be the best part of my game. Have no issues adjusting to different flights and distances, I just can't reasonably juice my gap wedge an extra 10-15 yards when needed, and taking 15 yards off the pitching wedge while maintaining height is not easy.

> @Exactice808 said:

> > @Go_Time said:

> > Long story short, I have about a 20-25 yard gap between my gap wedge and my pitching wedge. I have generally been choking down on the PW when I need to split that difference, but I'm not super consistent with it and really struggle to get to that 10 yards above GW. My wedges go 58-54-50-PW46(srixon785); long clubs are 4i, then driving iron, 3wood, driver. I use the driving iron and 3W a lot, and the 58 is my primary around the green club.

> >

> > Tips on how to approach experimenting with a fix? Should I start by strengthening the 54 and 50 degree? I don't think bending the 50 even 2 degrees would cover even 10 yards.The irons are srixon with v-sole so I don't really want to mess with bending those. The only thing that seems like it would come close to closing the gap would be changing up to a 56-50-46-PW46, or getting rid of the 58 and adding the AW from the 785 set, which is 51*.

> >

> > Thoughts?

>

> Hey Op some randoms thoughts.

>

> I did not see you mention the shafts.

> What shafts do you have in your PW Srixon 785 versus your Wedge sets?

> I am also assuming your 58,54,50 your follow in post. These are Titlesit models and your PW is a srixon

>

> Can I confirm the shafts in the Titleist set vs the Srixon PW?

>

> I used to have this happen to me when I played 2 different sets. So I used to play around with weight and flex of the shafts especially in my Wedges.

>

> example. I have 2 sets, of wedges to fill certain gaps and greens.

> Titleist SM4 60,56,50 wedge flex

> Titleist SM5 58,54,50 X100

>

> My MB PW 46* PX 6.0 is about 130 yards

> The Wedge flex 50* is about 110 ( so almost 20 yards difference

> The X100 50* is about 118 ( so about a 12 yard difference)

> If you can see just by the Shafts these distance will react very differently on FULL SHOTS. not really partial shots.

>

> The 50* X100 vs 50* Wedge flex is almost 10 yards due to the spin generated by the wedge flex shafts. All specs are basically identical but just the shaft. More so short shaft AoA there is a good chance that spin is being generated.

>

> Do you notice the gap of 20 yards the reaction of the ball is the BALL significantly or at least Noticeably higher in flight with the Gap Wedge? Also when you hit shots into greens with the GAP is it stopping hard or even spinning crazy back?

>

> What about the gaps between your 54 & 50 is it and conversely your 54 & 58 are they spaced out nicely?

>

The Srixon pitching wedge has a CTaper 130x and so does the Gap Wedge. The sand wedge and lob wedge have CTaper 125 S+ shafts - and yes the gaps between the 58-54-50 are about where you could expect them, 12 yards or so between each. I play a pretty high ball through the bag and all of the wedges in question are no different. No noticeable difference.