Leaving the pin in?

[Loki]

> @macedan said:

> > @Loki said:

> > I disagree. You play golf enough and you know how fast is too fast to go in. Both of my birdie putts that didn't go in, would have gone in without a doubt.

>

> I guess I would need information about strike on the pin then. I don't play competitions or record towards a GHIN so I have personally been playing pin in for the last three years at minimum 2-3 rounds/week and then rounds with others pin out in addition to my personal rounds. Just as I am no stranger to hitting putts 5-10 feet by the hole I am also no stranger to not hitting the center of the pin or cup. Maybe there are some external variables such as the pin type, pin angle, and stimp reading between our respective courses but from my experiences I have certainly had far more help from the pin than hindrances.

 

So your experience then is just as suspect as mine is.

[larrybud]

Absolutely slows things down when one guy wants it in, one guy wants it how. How could it NOT? After all, if pulling the pin ONCE slows things down as proponents of the rule claim, then putting it back in and pulling it 2 or 3 times every hole will certainly slow things down.

 

As far as effectiveness, I had seen TWO balls rejected with the pin in, both ended up 2" from the hole. One was barely moving. Pin stays out for me, and I'm having someone tend it until they force me to keep it in.

[antip]

> @larrybud said:

> Absolutely slows things down when one guy wants it in, one guy wants it how. How could it NOT? After all, if pulling the pin ONCE slows things down as proponents of the rule claim, then putting it back in and pulling it 2 or 3 times every hole will certainly slow things down.

>

>

Sounds like the objective of this hypothetical group is what is the dumbest and slowest possible way we can approach this task of getting all our balls into the hole. And yes, if folk are so motivated, things could definitely be slow. But I've gotta say, I've never seen such behaviour, let alone seen it repeated. In my experience, the vast majority of people learn as they go along. And that is how applying this new arrangement is unfolding everywhere I've played this year.

[Mr. Bean]

I find it utterly irritating that some people are to adamant in keeping the pin in that the declare they must be allowed to putt out before anyone has the pin lifted for them. Talk about walking on other players' line of play. I'd rather leave such persons to putt out last and stay on the green with his pin alone...

[larrybud]

> @antip said:

> > @larrybud said:

> > Absolutely slows things down when one guy wants it in, one guy wants it how. How could it NOT? After all, if pulling the pin ONCE slows things down as proponents of the rule claim, then putting it back in and pulling it 2 or 3 times every hole will certainly slow things down.

> >

> >

> Sounds like the objective of this hypothetical group is what is the dumbest and slowest possible way we can approach this task of getting all our balls into the hole. And yes, if folk are so motivated, things could definitely be slow. But I've gotta say, I've never seen such behaviour, let alone seen it repeated. In my experience, the vast majority of people learn as they go along. And that is how applying this new arrangement is unfolding everywhere I've played this year.

 

Not hypothetical at all. Happens with a couple of groups in my golf league. I just pull it like normal and let it be.

[North Butte]

From what I read on this forum, a lot of irritating b.s. goes on in "golf leagues". Especially the nine-hole after work variety.

[Loki]

> @"North Butte" said:

> From what I read on this forum, a lot of irritating b.s. goes on in "golf leagues". Especially the nine-hole after work variety.

 

If you haven't ever been in one, you have no idea the crap that goes on.

[North Butte]

> @Loki said:

> > @"North Butte" said:

> > From what I read on this forum, a lot of irritating b.s. goes on in "golf leagues". Especially the nine-hole after work variety.

>

> If you haven't ever been in one, you have no idea the crap that goes on.

 

I've had two friends (guys I play golf with) in after-work nine-hole leagues with their coworkers. From their descriptions it can be a wonky combination of weird league-specific rules and formats, guys with no clue what they're doing, other guys taking it all way too seriously and being treated poorly by the golf courses.

 

One guy I used to ask why he did it and he was like, "I've got a few good friends at work that I really like playing with". I never pressed him on why he and the guys he liked didn't just make themselves a 5:30pm tee time every Wednesday instead of doing the league thing.

[LeoLeo99]

> @macedan said:

> > @Loki said:

> > I disagree. You play golf enough and you know how fast is too fast to go in. Both of my birdie putts that didn't go in, would have gone in without a doubt.

>

> I guess I would need information about strike on the pin then. I don't play competitions or record towards a GHIN so I have personally been playing pin in for the last three years at minimum 2-3 rounds/week and then rounds with others pin out in addition to my personal rounds. Just as I am no stranger to hitting putts 5-10 feet by the hole I am also no stranger to not hitting the center of the pin or cup. Maybe there are some external variables such as the pin type, pin angle, and stimp reading between our respective courses but from my experiences I have certainly had far more help from the pin than hindrances.

>

> Edit: Announcing my bias, I play pin in as I often play solo and also have poor depth perception from a detached retina years ago.

 

I think we all agree the pin can help as much as it can hurt. Personally, I'd rather be rewarded for a good putt than a bad one. I've seen several putts good year that we all thought was in the hole only to have it glance off the pin and pop out.> @"North Butte" said:

> From what I read on this forum, a lot of irritating b.s. goes on in "golf leagues". Especially the nine-hole after work variety.

 

It's only irritating if you let it bother you. It's an evening out on the golf course playing competition with lots a different personalities.

[Mikey5e]

Holes being damaged?

 

https://www.fsga.org/News/Details/1616

[rogolf]

> @Mikey5e said:

> Holes being damaged?

>

> https://www.fsga.org/News/Details/1616

 

Someone will soon market a flagstick attachment similar to the ones on putting greens that will easily remove balls from the hole by lifting the flagstick. So far, it's a missed opportunity.

[Mr. Bean]

> @rogolf said:

> > @Mikey5e said:

> > Holes being damaged?

> >

> > https://www.fsga.org/News/Details/1616

>

> Someone will soon market a flagstick attachment similar to the ones on putting greens that will easily remove balls from the hole by lifting the flagstick. So far, it's a missed opportunity.

 

That was already launched in Sweden and was in use for one day. Then the local Association informed the course(s) using it that it was against the Rules as it made the flagstick too thick.

[rogolf]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @rogolf said:

> > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > Holes being damaged?

> > >

> > > https://www.fsga.org/News/Details/1616

> >

> > Someone will soon market a flagstick attachment similar to the ones on putting greens that will easily remove balls from the hole by lifting the flagstick. So far, it's a missed opportunity.

>

> That was already launched in Sweden and was in use for one day. Then the local Association informed the course(s) using it that it was against the Rules as it made the flagstick too thick.

 

When it's below the surface of the putting green? The part of the of flagstick that fits into the "cup" is already greater than 3/4 inch. What "rule" was the local association applying?

[antip]

> @rogolf said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @rogolf said:

> > > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > > Holes being damaged?

> > > >

> > > > https://www.fsga.org/News/Details/1616

> > >

> > > Someone will soon market a flagstick attachment similar to the ones on putting greens that will easily remove balls from the hole by lifting the flagstick. So far, it's a missed opportunity.

> >

> > That was already launched in Sweden and was in use for one day. Then the local Association informed the course(s) using it that it was against the Rules as it made the flagstick too thick.

>

> When it's below the surface of the putting green? The part of the of flagstick that fits into the "cup" is already greater than 3/4 inch. What "rule" was the local association applying?

 

I'm just speculating here, but I've seen some flagstick attachments that prevent the ball going to the bottom of the hole - so they effectively negate the requirement that the hole is not less than 4 inches deep. I don't know if there is an official view on such an attachment and I'm not in a position currently to see if the equipment rules help.

[Newby]

I can see the point about the hole being too shallow but there is no specification for the diameter of a flagstick

[antip]

I'm talking about an attachment like a plastic circle with webbing that stops the ball from going more than about two inches below the green level. It is a kind of platform parallel to the ground, it doesn't alter the flagstick size/diameter at all.

[Mr. Bean]

> @Newby said:

> I can see the point about the hole being too shallow but there is no specification for the diameter of a flagstick

 

There is. Equipment Rules, Part 8, 1b:

 

'The flagstick must be:

a. circular in cross-section, and

b. less than or equal to 0.75 inches (19 mm) in diameter from a point 3 inches (76.2 mm) above the ground to the bottom of the hole and no greater than 2 inches (50.8 mm) in diameter at any point. Exceptions may be made for location indicators of a reasonable size attached to the flagstick.'

 

 

[Newby]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

 

> b. less than or equal to 0.75 inches (19 mm) in diameter from a point 3 inches (76.2 mm) above the ground to the bottom of the hole and no greater than 2 inches (50.8 mm) in diameter at any point.

I know the equipment rules didn't change this year but Is that bit newish? I hadn't remembered seeing it before.

 

 

[Mr. Bean]

> @Newby said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

>

> > b. less than or equal to 0.75 inches (19 mm) in diameter from a point 3 inches (76.2 mm) above the ground to the bottom of the hole and no greater than 2 inches (50.8 mm) in diameter at any point.

> I know the equipment rules didn't change this year but Is that bit newish? I hadn't remembered seeing it before.

>

>

 

Cannot say for sure but IIRC this has been as it is for years.

[sui generis]

I'm trying to imagine a flagstick with a diameter of 2 inches at "any point."

[Mr. Bean]

> @"sui generis" said:

> I'm trying to imagine a flagstick with a diameter of 2 inches at "any point."

 

A handle for lifting the pin..? B)

[Newby]

> @"sui generis" said:

> I'm trying to imagine a flagstick with a diameter of 2 inches at "any point."

I have encountered flag fixings getting on for that size.

 

[Mikey5e]

> @Newby said:

> > @"sui generis" said:

> > I'm trying to imagine a flagstick with a diameter of 2 inches at "any point."

> I have encountered flag fixings getting on for that size.

>

 

The flagstick doesn't have to be any larger in diameter, just put an umbrella type catch on the bottom that pulls the ball out when you remove the flag. USGA approved of course. Although then, the umbrella portion would cause damage to the hole.

[BermBuster]

Holographic flagsticks. Done.

[Pepperturbo]

Let's not assume what happens to you is what happens to others. Because my lag putting is solid I seldom three-putt. When the ball hits the soft back of the cup and pops up, it seldom goes further than a few feet and stops because the speed was close to spot-on. That same speed into the pin, however, gets a bit more spin-off distance normally 4-6', due to the hard circular nature of the pin. If you play Billards you know what I mean. Least that's the case for this "2", no science just factual experience that says no more putting with the pin in unless I am light years away and too lazy to walk up and nobody else is nearby to pull the pin. Have a good day.

[North Butte]

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[bladehunter]

> @antip said:

> > @larrybud said:

> > Absolutely slows things down when one guy wants it in, one guy wants it how. How could it NOT? After all, if pulling the pin ONCE slows things down as proponents of the rule claim, then putting it back in and pulling it 2 or 3 times every hole will certainly slow things down.

> >

> >

> Sounds like the objective of this hypothetical group is what is the dumbest and slowest possible way we can approach this task of getting all our balls into the hole. And yes, if folk are so motivated, things could definitely be slow. But I've gotta say, I've never seen such behaviour, let alone seen it repeated. In my experience, the vast majority of people learn as they go along. And that is how applying this new arrangement is unfolding everywhere I've played this year.

 

The goal for the round is to play golf , not speed.

[Loki]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @antip said:

> > > @larrybud said:

> > > Absolutely slows things down when one guy wants it in, one guy wants it how. How could it NOT? After all, if pulling the pin ONCE slows things down as proponents of the rule claim, then putting it back in and pulling it 2 or 3 times every hole will certainly slow things down.

> > >

> > >

> > Sounds like the objective of this hypothetical group is what is the dumbest and slowest possible way we can approach this task of getting all our balls into the hole. And yes, if folk are so motivated, things could definitely be slow. But I've gotta say, I've never seen such behaviour, let alone seen it repeated. In my experience, the vast majority of people learn as they go along. And that is how applying this new arrangement is unfolding everywhere I've played this year.

>

> The goal for the round is to play golf , not speed.

 

I agree, however, on this site, it is apparently not the case.

[HitEmTrue]

> @Pepperturbo said:

> Let's not assume what happens to you is what happens to others. Because my lag putting is solid I seldom three-putt. When the ball hits the soft back of the cup and pops up, it seldom goes further than a few feet and stops because the speed was close to spot-on. That same speed into the pin, however, gets a bit more spin-off distance normally 4-6', due to the hard circular nature of the pin. If you play Billards you know what I mean. Least that's the case for this "2", no science just factual experience that says no more putting with the pin in unless I am light years away and too lazy to walk up and nobody else is nearby to pull the pin. Have a good day.

 

A ball rolling on the ground will not gain energy and end up further away after hitting the pin than it would have if it did not hit the pin. Not the same scenario as a ball that is in the air, with back-spin, that is prevented by the pin from going beyond the hole before spinning back.

 

[North Butte]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @antip said:

> > > @larrybud said:

> > > Absolutely slows things down when one guy wants it in, one guy wants it how. How could it NOT? After all, if pulling the pin ONCE slows things down as proponents of the rule claim, then putting it back in and pulling it 2 or 3 times every hole will certainly slow things down.

> > >

> > >

> > Sounds like the objective of this hypothetical group is what is the dumbest and slowest possible way we can approach this task of getting all our balls into the hole. And yes, if folk are so motivated, things could definitely be slow. But I've gotta say, I've never seen such behaviour, let alone seen it repeated. In my experience, the vast majority of people learn as they go along. And that is how applying this new arrangement is unfolding everywhere I've played this year.

>

> The goal for the round is to play golf , not speed.

 

The goal for the round is to play golf, not stand around while silly persons repeatedly take the flagstick in and out of the hole.