Stepping in the line - No longer a thing??

[Petethreeput]

> @cxx said:

> > @Petethreeput said:

>

> > Personally though, I don’t see the harm, nor the need to point it out in anyway that could be perceived as a teaching moment. For every putt that goes off line I suspect I have one that gets knocked toward the hole.

>

> I imagine you don't mind playing on punched greens. The pachinco effect would be in play. Some holes knock it towards the cup some away.

 

 

I won’t play on punches greens, unless it’s been a few days. Pelz says on a pool table the robo putter will make 99%, before anyone plays its like 98% accounting for grass issues, after every round has been played its like 28%.

So I figure hit down my line, do my best and I hope it goes in. And, it makes me really respect the guys in the last groups of a pga tournament draining everything.

 

 

 

[Bonneville85308]

I always make sure to never step in someone else's line unless it's unavoidable in order to mark my ball that's in their way or something, but frankly don't care if someone steps in mine every once in awhile. With soft-spikes, or flat bottom shoes, I think it makes zero difference on a putt for me.

[antip]

> @Petethreeput said:

> > @cxx said:

> > > @Petethreeput said:

> >

> > > Personally though, I don’t see the harm, nor the need to point it out in anyway that could be perceived as a teaching moment. For every putt that goes off line I suspect I have one that gets knocked toward the hole.

> >

> > I imagine you don't mind playing on punched greens. The pachinco effect would be in play. Some holes knock it towards the cup some away.

>

>

> I won’t play on punches greens, unless it’s been a few days. Pelz says on a pool table the robo putter will make 99%, before anyone plays its like 98% accounting for grass issues, **after every round has been played its like 28%**.

> So I figure hit down my line, do my best and I hope it goes in. And, it makes me really respect the guys in the last groups of a pga tournament draining everything.

>

>

>

The bolded part is interesting. Can you provide more details please?

 

[Mr. Bean]

> @antip said:

> > @Petethreeput said:

> > > @cxx said:

> > > > @Petethreeput said:

> > >

> > > > Personally though, I don’t see the harm, nor the need to point it out in anyway that could be perceived as a teaching moment. For every putt that goes off line I suspect I have one that gets knocked toward the hole.

> > >

> > > I imagine you don't mind playing on punched greens. The pachinco effect would be in play. Some holes knock it towards the cup some away.

> >

> >

> > I won’t play on punches greens, unless it’s been a few days. Pelz says on a pool table the robo putter will make 99%, before anyone plays its like 98% accounting for grass issues, **after every round has been played its like 28%**.

> > So I figure hit down my line, do my best and I hope it goes in. And, it makes me really respect the guys in the last groups of a pga tournament draining everything.

> >

> >

> >

> The bolded part is interesting. Can you provide more details please?

>

 

Indeed. I am also interested in how a robot putter can make only 99% on a pool table. I can make 100% with a cue and a pool ball so a robot should match me easily. This 99% is even more interesting if the same robot makes hansom 98% on an intact putting green.

 

My guess is that those are merely (un)educated guesses...

[Swisstrader98]

I play with guys that are silverback gorilla sized so whether or not they wear soft spikes is not really the question. You have some guy that weighs 275 and steps on your line just before you’re about to putt and it will definitely affect your putt.

[Mr. Bean]

> @Swisstrader98 said:

> I play with guys that are silverback gorilla sized so whether or not they wear soft spikes is not really the question. You have some guy that weighs 275 and steps on your line just before you’re about to putt and it will definitely affect your putt.

 

No problem, mate! You just take your time in repairing the footprint and maybe next time The Godzilla will watch his step...

[Petethreeput]

@antip

I read the stat years ago. For some reason I remember it at 99% for the pool table, and less for the robot on grass. I shouldn’t have put down the exact stats I recall bc they may be off a bit.

I do remember being gobsmacked that the make rate after a full day of play was around 30%.

I don’t know if I can put my hands on the putting bible, but his stats came from the book.

[Mr. Bean]

> @Petethreeput said:

> @antip

> I read the stat years ago. For some reason I remember it at 99% for the pool table, and less for the robot on grass. I shouldn’t have put down the exact stats I recall bc they may be off a bit.

> I do remember being gobsmacked that the make rate after a full day of play was around 30%.

> I don’t know if I can put my hands on the putting bible, but his stats came from the book.

 

I do wonder how he created those stats.

[Petethreeput]

@"Mr. Bean"

http://216.119.100.169/rseguine/Pelz/

Hopefully this link works. This is a quick search, in the middle of this is the make rate, but it isn’t clear where the 48% is in relation to time of day.

[dubbelbogey]

I don't step on another player's line out of standard courtesy.

 

That said, I truly don't care one bit if someone steps on my line. Chances are pretty good someone in the prior groups already did just that, I just wasn't there to observe it.

[wkuo3]

> @chrisf60526 said:

> When i was kid and i stepped in the line on the green my father yelled at me and it taught me real quick not to step in someones line. Over the last few years, i feel like stepping on the line is no longer a thing. I can count at least 10 times this year where someone just trampled my line on a putt. Anyone else notice this?

 

It's the attitude in general.

Not only on the golf course, bur everywhere in life these days. Just like cutting in line was a big no no in the past, now it's like cutting in line to get ahead is a smart thing to do.

Seldon do I hear thank you, and please.

No one seemed to reply a simple greeting from a friendly cashier or employees whom helped you.

People lost track on what come first , no, it's not the chicken and the egg question.

Same as golfers don't understand the cause and the effect on their golf game....... I wonder if human geno pool is getting weaker or we're getting too darn smart to care.

I remembered a discussion between good friends some decades ago, we wondered what it will be like when the "me generation " grown up.

I can't say this is the worst I had seen but, the reversal of what we had done in the last half a century seemed to be the trend.

Tradition is thrown over by new and untested ideas, working hard is abandoned by dreams to garage invention to be instant billionaires, Mega Lottory (s) craze swept the country by storm.....

We are in the quiet storm of changing. Accelerating into the future.

Rverything is "pay up now".

You think those whom stepped on your putting line cares about the others around them ? They are still in the Prince / Princess mode.

In my days, stepping on someone elses putting line was done intentionally to throw off the opponent's mental balance. As you were taught the etiquette when you were young.

Of course the soft spikes on the golf shoes won'y disturbe the putting surface as much as the old metal spikes but still.

The act only showed those either didn't care or they were incapable of caring.

 

[Mr. Bean]

> @Petethreeput said:

> @"Mr. Bean"

> http://216.119.100.169/rseguine/Pelz/

> Hopefully this link works. This is a quick search, in the middle of this is the make rate, but it isn’t clear where the 48% is in relation to time of day.

 

Quote from the text: 'A surlyn covered ball (like a Rock-Flite) will go almost 3 feet farther on a 30 foot putt than a balata covered ball (like a Titleist.) Distance balls off the tee are also distance balls on the green.'

 

This test was made several decades ago and IMHO does not represent current era at all. Also I seriously question how a study of how wear and tear of a green affects the sinking rate could be conducted even close to scientific level standards.

 

In my eyes Peltz's studies give food for thoughts but that is all.

[cxx]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @Petethreeput said:

> > @"Mr. Bean"

> > http://216.119.100.169/rseguine/Pelz/

> > Hopefully this link works. This is a quick search, in the middle of this is the make rate, but it isn’t clear where the 48% is in relation to time of day.

>

> Quote from the text: 'A surlyn covered ball (like a Rock-Flite) will go almost 3 feet farther on a 30 foot putt than a balata covered ball (like a Titleist.) Distance balls off the tee are also distance balls on the green.'

>

> This test was made several decades ago and IMHO does not represent current era at all. Also I seriously question how a study of how wear and tear of a green affects the sinking rate could be conducted even close to scientific level standards.

>

> In my eyes Peltz's studies give food for thoughts but that is all.

 

Seems like golf balls are still round (maybe not a well used balata). I imagine he was using a ramp to roll the balls to get make percentages due to green variations.

[antip]

> @cxx said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @Petethreeput said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean"

> > > http://216.119.100.169/rseguine/Pelz/

> > > Hopefully this link works. This is a quick search, in the middle of this is the make rate, but it isn’t clear where the 48% is in relation to time of day.

> >

> > Quote from the text: 'A surlyn covered ball (like a Rock-Flite) will go almost 3 feet farther on a 30 foot putt than a balata covered ball (like a Titleist.) Distance balls off the tee are also distance balls on the green.'

> >

> > This test was made several decades ago and IMHO does not represent current era at all. Also I seriously question how a study of how wear and tear of a green affects the sinking rate could be conducted even close to scientific level standards.

> >

> > In my eyes Peltz's studies give food for thoughts but that is all.

>

> Seems like golf balls are still round (maybe not a well used balata). I imagine he was using a ramp to roll the balls to get make percentages due to green variations.

 

Here's a recipe for a scare on the putting green: when the sun is very low in the afternoon sky, get down very low near the ground on the opposite side of a putting green and look at the surface of the green closely back in the direction of the fading sun. It basically looks like the surface of the moon and begs the question how a putt could ever run straight.

[North Butte]

It may just be the (mostly) cheap public courses I've played when visiting farther north in the Land Of Bent Grass. But compared the uber-firm Bermuda greens I've always played on at home, during the summer they water the Bent greens so much I'm constantly worried I'm going to accidentally step down to hard or drag my foot and leave a divot.

 

If I play regularly on heavily watered Bent greens I'd play first thing in the mornings, no doubt. Especially on a busy course those get brutal by 5-6pm.

[Newby]

> @cxx said:

> The new Bermuda greens are a lot firmer when the weather is dry, but after several days of rain are pretty soft. The greens in the north can be very soft. The trend of wearing flat bottom shoes reduces any spike marks or depressions but it's a good idea to maintain the practice of not stepping on anyone's line on the green. Most people don't wear flat bottom shoes when playing.

 

And most courses have greens irons now.

[Petethreeput]

> @antip said:

> > @cxx said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > @Petethreeput said:

> > > > @"Mr. Bean"

> > > > http://216.119.100.169/rseguine/Pelz/

> > > > Hopefully this link works. This is a quick search, in the middle of this is the make rate, but it isn’t clear where the 48% is in relation to time of day.

> > >

> > > Quote from the text: 'A surlyn covered ball (like a Rock-Flite) will go almost 3 feet farther on a 30 foot putt than a balata covered ball (like a Titleist.) Distance balls off the tee are also distance balls on the green.'

> > >

> > > This test was made several decades ago and IMHO does not represent current era at all. Also I seriously question how a study of how wear and tear of a green affects the sinking rate could be conducted even close to scientific level standards.

> > >

> > > In my eyes Peltz's studies give food for thoughts but that is all.

> >

> > Seems like golf balls are still round (maybe not a well used balata). I imagine he was using a ramp to roll the balls to get make percentages due to green variations.

>

> Here's a recipe for a scare on the putting green: when the sun is very low in the afternoon sky, get down very low near the ground on the opposite side of a putting green and look at the surface of the green closely back in the direction of the fading sun. It basically looks like the surface of the moon and begs the question how a putt could ever run straight.

 

That's exactly why I don't get bent out of shape about it. Those evening rounds I bet I fix 4-10 ball marks a green, because they are so obvious with the long shadows. Now, no one I know would purposely try to indent a green just before a putt, but it truly is amazing to see the imperfections in the green at low light. Which is why I believe Pelz and his assessment of the make number whether it is 100% scientific or not. I know for me, it just helps me not focus on outcome but rather the process because I have concluded the odds are against me on a putt anyway. And surprisingly, I have putted better with this fatalist view. So no one has to believe it, but I do. I am not out to change the views of other golfers, just explaining my reasoning.

[North Butte]

This I know. Whether on smooth greens or bumpy ones, getting the correct pace and line and putting a good roll on the ball is better than hitting a bad putt. So I concentrate on the things I can control.

[Mr. Bean]

> @cxx said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @Petethreeput said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean"

> > > http://216.119.100.169/rseguine/Pelz/

> > > Hopefully this link works. This is a quick search, in the middle of this is the make rate, but it isn’t clear where the 48% is in relation to time of day.

> >

> > Quote from the text: 'A surlyn covered ball (like a Rock-Flite) will go almost 3 feet farther on a 30 foot putt than a balata covered ball (like a Titleist.) Distance balls off the tee are also distance balls on the green.'

> >

> > This test was made several decades ago and IMHO does not represent current era at all. Also I seriously question how a study of how wear and tear of a green affects the sinking rate could be conducted even close to scientific level standards.

> >

> > In my eyes Peltz's studies give food for thoughts but that is all.

>

> Seems like golf balls are still round (maybe not a well used balata). I imagine he was using a ramp to roll the balls to get make percentages due to green variations.

 

A ramp? Yet he refers to a robot...

 

From Pelz's times the golf balls have undergone a dramatic change in properties. Thus it is no longer true (if it ever was...) that the hardest ball flies the farthest.

 

I would put no weight in his studies from quantitative perspective.

[Mr. Bean]

> @antip said:

> > @cxx said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > @Petethreeput said:

> > > > @"Mr. Bean"

> > > > http://216.119.100.169/rseguine/Pelz/

> > > > Hopefully this link works. This is a quick search, in the middle of this is the make rate, but it isn’t clear where the 48% is in relation to time of day.

> > >

> > > Quote from the text: 'A surlyn covered ball (like a Rock-Flite) will go almost 3 feet farther on a 30 foot putt than a balata covered ball (like a Titleist.) Distance balls off the tee are also distance balls on the green.'

> > >

> > > This test was made several decades ago and IMHO does not represent current era at all. Also I seriously question how a study of how wear and tear of a green affects the sinking rate could be conducted even close to scientific level standards.

> > >

> > > In my eyes Peltz's studies give food for thoughts but that is all.

> >

> > Seems like golf balls are still round (maybe not a well used balata). I imagine he was using a ramp to roll the balls to get make percentages due to green variations.

>

> Here's a recipe for a scare on the putting green: when the sun is very low in the afternoon sky, get down very low near the ground on the opposite side of a putting green and look at the surface of the green closely back in the direction of the fading sun. It basically looks like the surface of the moon and begs the question how a putt could ever run straight.

 

And when you do the same as the sun is rising you will see a perfectly smooth surface.

 

Well, at least if we believe Pelz...

[Mr. Bean]

> @Newby said:

> > @cxx said:

> > The new Bermuda greens are a lot firmer when the weather is dry, but after several days of rain are pretty soft. The greens in the north can be very soft. The trend of wearing flat bottom shoes reduces any spike marks or depressions but it's a good idea to maintain the practice of not stepping on anyone's line on the green. Most people don't wear flat bottom shoes when playing.

>

> And most courses have greens irons now.

 

What is a green iron?

[Mr. Bean]

> @Petethreeput said:

> > @antip said:

> > > @cxx said:

> > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > @Petethreeput said:

> > > > > @"Mr. Bean"

> > > > > http://216.119.100.169/rseguine/Pelz/

> > > > > Hopefully this link works. This is a quick search, in the middle of this is the make rate, but it isn’t clear where the 48% is in relation to time of day.

> > > >

> > > > Quote from the text: 'A surlyn covered ball (like a Rock-Flite) will go almost 3 feet farther on a 30 foot putt than a balata covered ball (like a Titleist.) Distance balls off the tee are also distance balls on the green.'

> > > >

> > > > This test was made several decades ago and IMHO does not represent current era at all. Also I seriously question how a study of how wear and tear of a green affects the sinking rate could be conducted even close to scientific level standards.

> > > >

> > > > In my eyes Peltz's studies give food for thoughts but that is all.

> > >

> > > Seems like golf balls are still round (maybe not a well used balata). I imagine he was using a ramp to roll the balls to get make percentages due to green variations.

> >

> > Here's a recipe for a scare on the putting green: when the sun is very low in the afternoon sky, get down very low near the ground on the opposite side of a putting green and look at the surface of the green closely back in the direction of the fading sun. It basically looks like the surface of the moon and begs the question how a putt could ever run straight.

>

> That's exactly why I don't get bent out of shape about it. Those evening rounds I bet I fix 4-10 ball marks a green, because they are so obvious with the long shadows. Now, no one I know would purposely try to indent a green just before a putt, but it truly is amazing to see the imperfections in the green at low light. Which is why I believe Pelz and his assessment of the make number whether it is 100% scientific or not. I know for me, it just helps me not focus on outcome but rather the process because I have concluded the odds are against me on a putt anyway. And surprisingly, I have putted better with this fatalist view. So no one has to believe it, but I do. I am not out to change the views of other golfers, just explaining my reasoning.

 

Does this mean that you will have to change your nick to Petetwoandahalfputt, or even Petetwoputt?

[Hawkeye77]

> @finleysg said:

> I was paired in a competition earlier this month with a player who cared about his through-line. He was up front about his desire that we pay attention to that, so I had fair warning and it was all cool. First time for me, even though I play a fair amount of tournament golf. I took a bit more time around the hole to ensure I came in at the right angle to the hole, but must say that I found it mostly silly. Best score in the group was 77. We weren't contenders.

 

Did he set some parameters on how far he expected it to go by and where he was missing next?

[cxx]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @cxx said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > @Petethreeput said:

> > > > @"Mr. Bean"

> > > > http://216.119.100.169/rseguine/Pelz/

> > > > Hopefully this link works. This is a quick search, in the middle of this is the make rate, but it isn’t clear where the 48% is in relation to time of day.

> > >

> > > Quote from the text: 'A surlyn covered ball (like a Rock-Flite) will go almost 3 feet farther on a 30 foot putt than a balata covered ball (like a Titleist.) Distance balls off the tee are also distance balls on the green.'

> > >

> > > This test was made several decades ago and IMHO does not represent current era at all. Also I seriously question how a study of how wear and tear of a green affects the sinking rate could be conducted even close to scientific level standards.

> > >

> > > In my eyes Peltz's studies give food for thoughts but that is all.

> >

> > Seems like golf balls are still round (maybe not a well used balata). I imagine he was using a ramp to roll the balls to get make percentages due to green variations.

>

> A ramp? Yet he refers to a robot...

>

> From Pelz's times the golf balls have undergone a dramatic change in properties. Thus it is no longer true (if it ever was...) that the hardest ball flies the farthest.

>

> I would put no weight in his studies from quantitative perspective.

 

That's funny, the ball study by that other site showed exactly that.

[cxx]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @Newby said:

> > > @cxx said:

> > > The new Bermuda greens are a lot firmer when the weather is dry, but after several days of rain are pretty soft. The greens in the north can be very soft. The trend of wearing flat bottom shoes reduces any spike marks or depressions but it's a good idea to maintain the practice of not stepping on anyone's line on the green. Most people don't wear flat bottom shoes when playing.

> >

> > And most courses have greens irons now.

>

> What is a green iron?

 

I was wondering also.

[rogolf]

might be a greens roller?

[Mr. Bean]

> @cxx said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @cxx said:

> > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > @Petethreeput said:

> > > > > @"Mr. Bean"

> > > > > http://216.119.100.169/rseguine/Pelz/

> > > > > Hopefully this link works. This is a quick search, in the middle of this is the make rate, but it isn’t clear where the 48% is in relation to time of day.

> > > >

> > > > Quote from the text: 'A surlyn covered ball (like a Rock-Flite) will go almost 3 feet farther on a 30 foot putt than a balata covered ball (like a Titleist.) Distance balls off the tee are also distance balls on the green.'

> > > >

> > > > This test was made several decades ago and IMHO does not represent current era at all. Also I seriously question how a study of how wear and tear of a green affects the sinking rate could be conducted even close to scientific level standards.

> > > >

> > > > In my eyes Peltz's studies give food for thoughts but that is all.

> > >

> > > Seems like golf balls are still round (maybe not a well used balata). I imagine he was using a ramp to roll the balls to get make percentages due to green variations.

> >

> > A ramp? Yet he refers to a robot...

> >

> > From Pelz's times the golf balls have undergone a dramatic change in properties. Thus it is no longer true (if it ever was...) that the hardest ball flies the farthest.

> >

> > I would put no weight in his studies from quantitative perspective.

>

> That's funny, the ball study by that other site showed exactly that.

 

Showed what? And what other site?

[Mr. Bean]

> @rogolf said:

> might be a greens roller?

 

What is a greens roller then? A device punching holes..?

[Shilgy]

> @cxx said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @Newby said:

> > > > @cxx said:

> > > > The new Bermuda greens are a lot firmer when the weather is dry, but after several days of rain are pretty soft. The greens in the north can be very soft. The trend of wearing flat bottom shoes reduces any spike marks or depressions but it's a good idea to maintain the practice of not stepping on anyone's line on the green. Most people don't wear flat bottom shoes when playing.

> > >

> > > And most courses have greens irons now.

> >

> > What is a green iron?

>

> I was wondering also.

 

I just figured @Newby was imbibing a few extra adult beverages. I read his comment as picturing an oversized clothing iron to get the ball marks(wrinkles) out of the green.

[cxx]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @cxx said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > @cxx said:

> > > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > > @Petethreeput said:

> > > > > > @"Mr. Bean"

> > > > > > http://216.119.100.169/rseguine/Pelz/

> > > > > > Hopefully this link works. This is a quick search, in the middle of this is the make rate, but it isn’t clear where the 48% is in relation to time of day.

> > > > >

> > > > > Quote from the text: 'A surlyn covered ball (like a Rock-Flite) will go almost 3 feet farther on a 30 foot putt than a balata covered ball (like a Titleist.) Distance balls off the tee are also distance balls on the green.'

> > > > >

> > > > > This test was made several decades ago and IMHO does not represent current era at all. Also I seriously question how a study of how wear and tear of a green affects the sinking rate could be conducted even close to scientific level standards.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my eyes Peltz's studies give food for thoughts but that is all.

> > > >

> > > > Seems like golf balls are still round (maybe not a well used balata). I imagine he was using a ramp to roll the balls to get make percentages due to green variations.

> > >

> > > A ramp? Yet he refers to a robot...

> > >

> > > From Pelz's times the golf balls have undergone a dramatic change in properties. Thus it is no longer true (if it ever was...) that the hardest ball flies the farthest.

> > >

> > > I would put no weight in his studies from quantitative perspective.

> >

> > That's funny, the ball study by that other site showed exactly that.

>

> Showed what? And what other site?

 

That harder balls (higher compression) fly further.

The site is the one that must not be named or it will show up as ***. Starts with My.