TXG Bracket results: How fast is the Mavrik!?

[getitdaily]

Any of you follow txg and see where Matt's driver choice has gone?

He ditched mav for mav sz and then in their recent 2man scramble video he ditched the sz for his g410lst because he couldn't keep the sz on the planet.

Wonder what that says about how the bracket challenge was conducted...

[driveandputtmachine]

Yeah I just saw this, the Mavrik line is great, but if you struggle for contact consistency, it is not great. The SZ mavrik is even worse. The Mav Max is a hook machine when I tried it.

You know I used to give Rick Shiels crap about how he picked his bag, and finally he has decided that consistency over length is how he was gonna choose his driver this year. He even took the finalists on the course, vs. playing simulator and he ended up choosing the Speedzone Extreme.

Hey I get it, I tried the SIM, Mav SZ and others. I thought that the length with the SIM I could get dialed in on the consistency. That was a big NO for me dog. So I am going back and looking at the SIM Max and Speedzone Extreme and the Ping LST.

[QuigleyDU]

I think it just shows that golf is not played on a launch monitor.

Once your outside and have to hit a target you tighten up, or get short, or whatever. Your swing is not the same. You also cannot edit out 25% of your swings. I found it interesting that he was much slower, with tons more spin outside. 164 ball speeds and spin over 3000 with the driver.

It is not so much about the club.

[getitdaily]

Agree 100%. I've always used launch monitors to eliminate lofts, heads, etc and then take the potential winners on course to demo. It's also what's driven me to be a firm believer in CoG adjustability...more heel/toe than front/back.

[GolfTurkey]

That high spin drive was with the Ping and was a fade. They didn’t show the numbers for the hooks with the Mavrik.

I think TXG is awesome and the GCQuad is IMO the best all round LM, but IMO Foresight's juiced distance on low spin driver shots leads to terrible driver fittings.

Foresight users think they are giving up way more distance than they really are on their good shots by going from say 2000-2100 RPM to 2500-2600. Matt’s miss is off the toe and then that 2100 can quickly become 1300-1500 and dive into the bush. The higher spin driver would still spin close to 2K off the toe and wouldn’t punish him nearly as much. I bet he would swing much more freely and faster on course with a more forgiving setup.

Another classic example of this is Rick Shiels. His ideal numbers chart in his reviews is 2000 to 2250 RPM. Not nearly enough for someone whose miss is a hook and he misses plenty of the planet left on the course (way more than someone of his ability should and it’s just silly driver fitting IMO)

[QuigleyDU]

I agree. It all just goes back to my point that gold is not played on a launch monitor. And you can’t edit out the shots you don’t like.

[JoeFrigo]

ive played all 3 of those drivers and I gotta say, surprisingly, the Xtreme has blown me away....I still gravitate towards the SIM Max bc Im a big TM fan and get the new line every year. it looks better, sounds better, feels better... but the Xtreme performs better for me

 

hands down the most forgiving and playable driver ive ever used. Shaft choice with the Xtreme is key tho bc ive seen plenty of peoples opinions saying it launches too high or spins too much. Ive found it takes away the sub 2000 knuckle ball. I have a Ventus Black in it right now and its extremely accurate.

 

I didnt give the g410 LST enough of a chance. bought it with the stock 75g even flow black shaft that doesnt suit me at all. Both the Max and Xtreme ive tried multiple shafts dialing it in but I would not be surprised one bit if I gave the same attention to the LST that it would perform equally if not even better

 

oh and started the year with the Mav SZ...sold in 2 weeks

[nitram]

It's funny how a lot of guys are returning to the Ping driver(s)...

[getitdaily]

With ping's typical slant toward forgiveness, the 410 line was huge in that it allowed heel/toe CoG adjustability. I likely would have tried sim anyway, but the only reason I didn't end up in a 400lst last year was because I couldn't move CoG to offset the left bias in the head.

[dmeeksDC]

Here’s how bad I am: I almost always keep a Ping driver around as the baseline to test against any other driver. The reason is it seems to always be among the easiest to keep in play so it is the one the others have to beat. Also, the Ping LST heads seem to produce fewer wayward shots for me vs other low-spin heads. I could hit the Rogue SZ far, but accuracy was less consistent.

[DFS PFD]

I think we all knew the standard Mavrik was going to be a bad fit LM dream. Their numbers on course don't even touch the numbers we consistently see in their studio. As Quig has pointed out, golf isn't played on a launch monitor, real life is what matters and their playing on course kind of exposed that reality is vastly different to all of their viewers...

[QuigleyDU]

I just watched the video again and find it interesting how many shots they cut out.. Ian would hit off a par three miss king then the cut to that ball or Matt would hit them cut to his ball. Do they not want us to see them spray it like normal people?

[DFS PFD]

I think they are much more "human" than most people think, it's easy on edited video in a studio to look like a world class ball striker, or to tee it high and let it fly with zero repercussions...

[getitdaily]

Probably has a time element more than anything else. They get paid via views and some of the view pay stats are tied to full view of videos rather than partial views...I think.

So, a longer video wouldn't get as many full views. Someone correct me if I'm wrong

[scott_Donald]

My biggest take from the video is that I am far better at golf than I thought I was.

[QuigleyDU]

Maybe. They are solid single digit handicaps from what I can tell. -1 through 9 holes in a two man scramble is not going to win you many events.

[hammergolf]

My miss is on the toe with a closed club face as well. I can tell you, for me twist face helps. I know for some that have a toe miss with an open or square face that twist face is actually worse. But if I am fitting someone who misses on the toe with a closed face i am putting them in a Sim first.

[spring70]

I changed from the SIM to the Speedzone Extreme last week, I may never see that huge deep ball again, but I am in the fairway more often. I had the same problem with the OG Epic

[Z1ggy16]

Indoors with nothing on the line vs outdoors shooting for a score. Not really apples to apples.

If you don't like how they conduct testing... Don't watch?? Or start your own channel and do it yourself? You're clearly hung up about this.

[gioguy21]

before all the bashing of SIM -- should realize that if you cut the driver down about an inch, ya'll would hit it better. 45.75" for a stock length is wayy too long. with the right shaft it's a beast.

[getitdaily]

Well, not really. Was just interesting to see the progression of the indoor "fit" to today and to see that he's not playing the driver that won the bracket...

I do still think they can tweak how the bracket winner is decided because the "clear" winner of the bracket is a "clear" dud on the course but you could tell that was going to happen based on the dud shots they pulled out of the indoor test.

I wonder what his outdoor driving would look like with cobra sz extreme or sim max...or sim, with it's heel/toe CoG adjustability.

[Golfingfanatic]

He's just not very consistent which is a product of his swing and not whichever driver he uses. They make him look like a superhuman indoors with some clever editing, because it is entertaining to watch. It's like WWE in a way.

[Drivingrangehero]

A few years back I was 3-4 mph ball speed Higher with the Callaway XR16 driver than the rest of the offerings, but least consistent as well. What good is 10-15 more yards if it’s in the rough? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I ended up with a Ping G30 ls tec because it was tightest dispersion, but shorter than the XR 16 and the TM M1.

some clubs just work for individuals better than others. I don’t get along with Callaway Drivers at all, but love their Hybrids. I liked the Epic Flash SZ better than the Maverik personally.

Up until the SIM, I didn’t care for many TM drivers either. I have played Titleist, Titleist Cleveland, Nike, Titleist, Ping, and Ping, over the past few years, so I’m not sold on a particular brand, just results. The only major manufacturer I haven’t bagged in 30 years of golf is Taylormade....... not once. That could change in a few years though, if they keep putting out more drivers like the SIM!

My bag is a mix of Ping, Adams, Callaway, Titleist, and Mizuno ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ to each their own I guess!

[GolfTurkey]

To be fair to them, I don't doubt that they are both legit scratches (as they say they are) although the editing definitely makes it look like they could be on Tour. If you look at the shot counter, Matt will sometimes nuke say 5 consecutive 3 woods with 165 BS and hit them straight. Show me a 5 handicap that can do that, even indoors on a sim.

I just think they fit borderline/unstable drivers due to Foresight's low spin distance calculation "bug" (or "optimism" if I'm charitable). If they're not swinging at their best on course then driver is all over the show, which then makes their iron play look worse than it is because they're playing out of the gunch. Looks like they played much better in the second part of their Vlog.

I would love to see Matt fitted into a fade biased driver that launched 11-12 degrees at 2500-2600 RPM. Something like a G410 plus (not LST) 10.5, maybe lofted down to 9.5 with the weight in the fade position and/or flat lie angle. GCQuad would go "Reeeeeeeeee" and say he's losing 25 yards but I bet real life would be so much better.

[Tree Levino]

I just hit Mavrik and was blown away by how good it was. I'm going to get one to test on course vs my Ping G410 LST 100%. Longest and most forgiving driver I've ever hit

[GolfChannel]

No.

I personally have no idea how anyone can hit the Mavrik without adding some heft to the head weight. It feels like there is nothing on the end of the shaft on the standard or subzero versions.

It sounds better than the Epic Flash, but not sure performance wise the Mavrik is an actual improvement.

 

[mgoblue83]

Agree with everything especially the problems GCQuad has with high speed/low spin shots. During the driver bracket Matt was essentially hitting the same low spin duck hooks that he was hitting in the recent scramble video but the GCQuad was reading them as high draw bombs. He may swing slightly different and/or slower outside but most of those shots on the GCQuad in the bracket would be unplayable outside regardless.

On a related note the swing changes hes working on (and the crap Larry had him doing) look terrible. He's so laid off and toe up that he better have perfect face timing or he won't even be able to hit a green with a wedge. Ian is way more consistent because his upright swing keeps his club face square much longer through impact.

[Kale_m]

Sub zero driver paired with a toe miss (like Matt has) is a bad combo. Just a bunch of 1300 rpm duck hooks. I had the same prob. Had to get rid of my sub zero driver for just that reason.

get something thAt is low spin (2200-2300 at Matt’s speed) out the middle and can still retain some of that spin out the toe to keep it in the air.

[RacineBoxer]

I did a fitting at a demo day. Tried 3-4 different shafts, tried the standard, the sub zero and max heads. Couldn't beat my 2014 Cobra BioCell. So frustrating because I really want to get a new driver (and I already have Epic Flash 3W/5W in the evenflow shaft that I really like). The main problem I was having was that I was leaving everything out to the right. Picking up a couple mph's in ball speed is nice but was cancelled out by being off line. I think it was just my swing or my familiarity with the BioCell (and ability to get it on line). The search will continue.

[RacineBoxer]

 

I'm 100% sure I've heard Matt say that the lowest he's ever been was a 2 handicap. Hasn't made scratch (unless he just did within the past 6 months).

 

It's crazy because I'm that 5 handicap that you refer to. And no I can't rip a bunch of 3 woods off the deck hitting straight bombs where you're throwing a blanket over them. But I can hit 5 in a row that are all between 240-255, a few left and a few right, with none off the fairway by more than 5 yards. I watch Matt's driver fitting videos and it seems he's playing a completely different game than me and my paltry 270 drives (maybe hit an occasional one in the 290's if it's down hill and the fairways are hard - LOL). To watch those videos I'd think he's close to 10-15 shots better than me. I think his upside is way higher than mine, but his downside (due to being offline) is much more "average". I can play 18 holes with one golf ball (sometimes/often). I think that alone might be what keeps me within 3-5 shots of a player with his ballstriking ability.