Chasing 130. (Updated from 120)

[benthegolfer]

On 7/7/2020 at 8:16 PM, Myherobobhope said:

 

This is the hole I want t

 

o break... it’s 302 carry to a mediocre lie and the big tree on the corner is not shown... 120 with +5 aoa will get me to the top of the hill, I hope...

Former Louisville Guy here - what hole is this ? lol 

[Myherobobhope]

5 hours ago, benthegolfer said:

Former Louisville Guy here - what hole is this ? lol 

Hole 6 at Hunting Creek. Give me a shout if you are back in town and you can see it for real.

 

Terrible hole.

[Myherobobhope]

5 hours ago, AdamMH said:

297 carry? Cmon now. I haven't really been following along, but that's gotta be pretty darn close to 120!

I've hit 121 with a club already... just a question of putting it in play... I'd assume the 297 carry was in the high teens. It was a good move on the ball... the next step is to get into that range consistently!

[benthegolfer]

28 minutes ago, Myherobobhope said:

Hole 6 at Hunting Creek. Give me a shout if you are back in town and you can see it for real.

 

Terrible hole.

A beast! Haven’t played there in awhile. Will do 

[adamwittman]

Im going to dumb this down. As someone who trains athletes for a living, for golf!!!! This comment is for golf, let me again say that, this is for golf. I would stay away from Olympic style lifts and any real multi joint barbell compound movement. Absolutely do not clean, jerk, deadlift barbell squat etc. The goal for lifting should be to train the individual muscles (isolated) while minimizing risk for any injury, excessive fatigue and lengthening the muscles, not shortening them. Not putting more wear and tear into your body. Eddie hall and science  also supports this, if you’re not going to compete in deadlifts don’t do it. Power cleans etc have a place, for football, not golf.   I have deadlifted 750, squatted 675 and benched 500. You need to forget what you know and relearn to workout for golf.  You being a bigger guy your range of motion is already limited, putting more muscle on will only limit that further. Lifting for power isn’t the way to go for golf. I would suggest you do the following first,  the biggest focus should be for you 1. losing weight, like actual body fat, you can maintain mass your have, just lose fat.2. improving mobility. Stretching, learn the difference between the types of stretches and when to utilize them and increase mobility, range of motion etc. 3. core. You should be doing a ton of rotation /anti rotation core exercises. You can train these 4 times a week as long as you don’t go all Ali style and say I don’t start counting til I’m in pain. 

[adamwittman]

Some pics from a recent range session establishing game speed. 

[chadly643]

1 hour ago, adamwittman said:

Some pics from a recent range session establishing game speed. 

This seems to be anecdotal evidence supporting lifting for power. You have prowess in the gym and are pounding the ball off the tee…

[adamwittman]

14 minutes ago, chadly643 said:

This seems to be anecdotal evidence supporting lifting for power. You have prowess in the gym and are pounding the ball off the tee…

Haven’t touched a weight since COVID 2019 when all the gyms shut down. Body weight exercises, bands, core movement and mechanics. 

[chadly643]

Sure… but 95+% of us don’t have the strength and power level you do even a couple years removed from active lifting. 
 

 

[adamwittman]

33 minutes ago, chadly643 said:

Sure… but 95+% of us don’t have the strength and power level you do even a couple years removed from active lifting. 
 

 

This is the reason no one posts on here. Bc everyone just contradicts. So, you know who else never lifted as much as me? Everyone on the tour. But let’s look at a few examples

Neither does Justin Thomas, cam

champ, Patrick cantlay etc: etc etc, and they still hit bombs. Why? Why does cam champ and these other guys hit missiles? They weigh 150 pounds! Explain it to me

[AdamMH]

5 hours ago, adamwittman said:

This is the reason no one posts on here. Bc everyone just contradicts. So, you know who else never lifted as much as me? Everyone on the tour. But let’s look at a few examples

Neither does Justin Thomas, cam

champ, Patrick cantlay etc: etc etc, and they still hit bombs. Why? Why does cam champ and these other guys hit missiles? They weigh 150 pounds! Explain it to me

He does have a point. On one hand, not training for 2-3 years you'll still have a good amount of that strength left. On the other hand there's people like me, cruising at 120 mph with no training. I grew up playing baseball and started golf 7 years after that ended. I have peaked at 136 in comps, but that's not nearly the same as actual golf. I've been to a gym maybe four times... ever.

Personally, I'd like to hear what you recommend in terms of stretching and exercise. I would even encourage you to start a thread if you're feeling particularly type-happy.

[Walk-it-in]

As someone who did power lifting style workouts for over a decade, and is about your size, the recovery time always seemed to hinder my ability to swing freely with my DOMs. Always felt some soreness somewhere restricting me. I’m swinging 114 average and would love to get to 120 soon.
 

I found that infusing more double kettlebell training has really helped me out. Doing clean, snatch and squats with two kettlebells requires core stability and you don’t need a ton of weight to see results. Plus you can do it at home. GL!

[thebigred13]

Hell yes!! Grip it and RIP IT. Getting myself back in the gym to get my distance back

Edited August 7, 2022 by thebigred13

[Myherobobhope]

22 hours ago, thebigred13 said:

Hell yes!! Grip it and RIP IT. Getting myself back in the gym to get my distance back

Just got done at the gym and a speed session… hit some decent numbers with the stack, but haven’t seen anything crazy results wise on the course…

 

my driver swing was jacked up (chasing speed foolishly) and I’ve finally gotten my form back… going to keep working with my swing coach and try to incorporate his stuff into my speed training.

 

also working with a personal trainer and doing some mobility work… very curious to see how all that helps things. 

[Uncle_Buck2]

14 minutes ago, Myherobobhope said:

Just got done at the gym and a speed session… hit some decent numbers with the stack, but haven’t seen anything crazy results wise on the course…

 

my driver swing was jacked up (chasing speed foolishly) and I’ve finally gotten my form back… going to keep working with my swing coach and try to incorporate his stuff into my speed training.

 

also working with a personal trainer and doing some mobility work… very curious to see how all that helps things. 

I'm very new to this thread, but I would highly recommend Dr. Kwon's drills. Speed is a combination of what everyone on here is agreeing/disagreeing on. Strength matters, mobility matters, and imo sequencing matters the most. If you have poor sequencing then it will be extremely difficult for you to meet your goals. 

[Myherobobhope]

5 hours ago, Uncle_Buck2 said:

I'm very new to this thread, but I would highly recommend Dr. Kwon's drills. Speed is a combination of what everyone on here is agreeing/disagreeing on. Strength matters, mobility matters, and imo sequencing matters the most. If you have poor sequencing then it will be extremely difficult for you to meet your goals. 

I’ll check it out… I’ve got a swing coach I’m very happy with, and my sequencing seems to be decent. But who knows? Maybe it will unlock something.

[phizzy30]

On 5/14/2022 at 3:21 PM, adamwittman said:

This is the reason no one posts on here. Bc everyone just contradicts. So, you know who else never lifted as much as me? Everyone on the tour. But let’s look at a few examples

Neither does Justin Thomas, cam

champ, Patrick cantlay etc: etc etc, and they still hit bombs. Why? Why does cam champ and these other guys hit missiles? They weigh 150 pounds! Explain it to me

They have more Type II/fast twitch fibers than the normal human.  You do too.  You gotta be blessed with good genetics from the get go.  There are different body types in the category of long drivers.  You got guys like Cam Champ who might be 170 at 6 feet tall making 190 ball speed.  Then you have guys like Ryan Steenburg who probably weighs 210+, played in college as a line backer who still looks the part hitting 220 ball speed.  These two guys are on the opposite spectrum in terms of body type and strength yet they both have tons of fast twitch fibers that are active.  Doing work in the gym plus over speed training will add to that.  Btw, your numbers are impressive.

Edited August 9, 2022 by phizzy30

[GolfTurkey]

Reading all this makes me realise two things, how slow I am and that if you're called Adam you get to swing at least 120.

[Myherobobhope]

12 hours ago, GolfTurkey said:

Reading all this makes me realise two things, how slow I am and that if you're called Adam you get to swing at least 120.

You can always get faster… it will likely help your golf game more than it helps mine (going from mid 110s to 120 doesn’t offer a ton of advantage)

[GolfTurkey]

12 hours ago, Myherobobhope said:

You can always get faster… it will likely help your golf game more than it helps mine (going from mid 110s to 120 doesn’t offer a ton of advantage)

 

I'm about 110 with the G425 Max that I'm using now in an attempt to occasionally find the planet, about 114 with almost anything else.

[MattM97]

@Myherobobhope I've been quietly following along and good to say you're making progress on your goal. Kinda wanted me to chase my own CHS goals I want to see if I can ultimately 140mph but first 130mph.

 

As a big guy myself mobility will be your best friend as you already know but also I will say keep up the lifting, yes mobility is big in this sport but being a big guy we have to move a lot of weight in our swing and if we're not strong enough to do that the club head isn't moving. Definitely working to drop weight like you are while keeping the same strength numbers will have that CHS up too.

[Myherobobhope]

1 hour ago, MattM97 said:

@Myherobobhope I've been quietly following along and good to say you're making progress on your goal. Kinda wanted me to chase my own CHS goals I want to see if I can ultimately 140mph but first 130mph.

 

As a big guy myself mobility will be your best friend as you already know but also I will say keep up the lifting, yes mobility is big in this sport but being a big guy we have to move a lot of weight in our swing and if we're not strong enough to do that the club head isn't moving. Definitely working to drop weight like you are while keeping the same strength numbers will have that CHS up too.

Thanks! I’ve hit 120 on the PRGR, but am actively working to make that speed consistent.

 

Just started working with a personal trainer and we are doing a ton of strength and flexibility stuff… his approach is one I believe in, basically strengthening muscles makes them more flexible (if you do it correctly).

 

We went over my mobility last session and he’s going to bring some equipment next session. I’m excited. 
 

my golf game feels better than it ever has, just need to start making less dumb mistakes on the course.

[ALIF]

On 5/14/2022 at 3:21 PM, adamwittman said:

This is the reason no one posts on here. Bc everyone just contradicts. So, you know who else never lifted as much as me? Everyone on the tour. But let’s look at a few examples

Neither does Justin Thomas, cam

champ, Patrick cantlay etc: etc etc, and they still hit bombs. Why? Why does cam champ and these other guys hit missiles? They weigh 150 pounds! Explain it to me

As someone who would like to get faster, please do tell. In my mind I feel like most of it is proper sequencing. i’m definitely a lot stronger than a guy like Justin Thomas but yet his ball speed is 20 miles an hour faster than mine. obviously his swing is a lot better sequence than mine. I’m guessing he’s using the ground and sequencing 20 mph worth better than me?

[Myherobobhope]

11 hours ago, ALIF said:

As someone who would like to get faster, please do tell. In my mind I feel like most of it is proper sequencing. i’m definitely a lot stronger than a guy like Justin Thomas but yet his ball speed is 20 miles an hour faster than mine. obviously his swing is a lot better sequence than mine. I’m guessing he’s using the ground and sequencing 20 mph worth better than me?

It can be a ton of different things, but it depends on your body and your swing.

 

There is something to be said about speed training. It doesn't require anything more than a radar for tracking speed, and trying to swing as fast as possible. Swinging fast with intent can at least show you what you are capable of. 

 

From there you have some options...

 

1. Speed training program (Stack, Speed Sticks, Rip Sticks) - I've been using the STACK for a bit, and it definitely helps you build SPEED. the problem is swinging harder doesn't necessarily translate to hitting the ball farther... If you go this route, make sure you are still hitting drivers on the regular. That was the biggest mistake I made.

 

2. Strength and Conditioning: More than just strength, it helps to build your body to move fast. Deadlifting is great, but medicine ball throws will help you hit the ball farther. It's not just being STRONGER than Justin Thomas, you have to develop the fast twitch muscles too.

 

3. Get into technical stuff: There is plenty of stuff about ground forces online... plenty of ways to improve your "fundamental forces"... This is an interesting rabbit hole. I'm not qualified to speak on it... I reached out to a guy on Skillest about a lesson, but never followed up... My driver swing is in a good place, so I might actually send him some video.

[Rbsiedsc]

On 8/13/2022 at 8:42 AM, Myherobobhope said:

1. Speed training program (Stack, Speed Sticks, Rip Sticks) - I've been using the STACK for a bit, and it definitely helps you build SPEED. the problem is swinging harder doesn't necessarily translate to hitting the ball farther... If you go this route, make sure you are still hitting drivers on the regular. That was the biggest mistake I made.

This burned me last offseason. I am going to be smarter time around. This coupled with gym work should bring decent gains. i just want mid 160s-170s ball speed. Currently high 150s

[Myherobobhope]

26 minutes ago, Rbsiedsc said:

This burned me last offseason. I am going to be smarter time around. This coupled with gym work should bring decent gains. i just want mid 160s-170s ball speed. Currently high 150s

I think the key here is you have to raise your "cruising speed" not just your all out ability... It's a much longer path... 

 

You get used to swing harder with intent, and think it will carry over to the course... for me, it didn't. My approach now is different... I'm working on moving faster in the gym and with the speed training, and trying to stay "in control" on the course... hoping it translates to more on course distance. We will see. 

 

My driver swing was BROKEN for the first part of the season... like hard capped broken. My last 7 rounds have counted towards my handicap... so I'm back on track. Trying to focus on keeping the driver swing in play. It's an interesting balancing act. Shockingly, it's not featured in any of the marketing.

[ALIF]

So my good swings are 103/152 on CHS/ball speed. When I was younger my good swings were around 115/160 this was with steel headed driver and balata golf balls. My goal is to go up to 120 over the next two years. If I can get 10 miles an hour between now and the spring of next year that would be awesome. Then the next year hopefully add 7 more miles an hour. This is quite a tall task but I feel like I can  do it. I think with better sequencing that I currently have I could go up 10 miles an hour. Then the next 7 will just be a lot of hard work.

[Rbsiedsc]

3 minutes ago, ALIF said:

So my good swings are 103/152 on CHS/ball speed. When I was younger my good swings were around 115/160 this was with steel headed driver and balata golf balls. My goal is to go up to 120 over the next two years. If I can get 10 miles an hour between now and the spring of next year that would be awesome. Then the next year hopefully add 7 more miles an hour. This is quite a tall task but I feel like I can  do it. I think with better sequencing that I currently have I could go up 10 miles an hour. Then the next 7 will just be a lot of hard work.

dont forget the gym. You also need your body to be able to handle swinging faster

[ALIF]

1 minute ago, Rbsiedsc said:

dont forget the gym. You also need your body to be able to handle swinging faster

Yeah, I've been doing that hard for the last six months. I used to be a hard-core power lifter and bodybuilder when I was younger. I stopped working out for a while (12 years) when I used to race bicycles. The last few years I have been working out a fair amount. So that's been my goal the last year is to get strong enough to support the increase in speed.

[NNJ]

I don’t swing nearly as fast as you guys do but when I picked the game back up after 10 years of not playing I noticed I had picked up a ton of speed. In the meantime all I had done aside from casual lifting and running was some boxing and Muay Thai. I also did a lot of Blood Flow Restriction exercises (BFR) to rehab leg injuries.

 

When I picked up a golf club again, I was at 110-115 when swinging what I thought was easy…about 5-10 mph faster than I was in my early 20s, despite now having a torn meniscus in my left leg, and recovering from surgery on the other.
 

I’m not sure what to attribute this to - I did get a bit stronger but I wasn’t doing any crazy lifting or anything like that. I think the Muay Thai/boxing really helped because 1. Jump roping with a heavy rope really builds arm strength without bulk or shortening the muscles, and 2. although it’s a different motion, crosses and hooks involve body rotation and starting the motion from the ground.
 

Curious if anyone else on here has done similar training and noticed similar results.