Monte's new No Turn - Cast

[Milk Diesel]

Everytime i come back to this idea, it helps me to simplify and get back to the basics. Also helps me identify what's causing issues. I struggle with hip slide in the backswing, and using the "Cast" pretty much just causes a pull. Really forces me to fix it.

[biker74]

The re centering at the top of the backswing is the one move that really helped me. The rest of the video is excellent.But that one explanation is the best part for me 

[ZS_22]

16 hours ago, GoGoErky said:

You’ve taking the no turn part to literally. 
 

You’re not setting yours early. At left arm parallel the club isn’t near 90°. Your left hip his coming out rather than the upper body causing the right hip to go back and around, and because you set the wrists late along with what you’re doing with the arms and body it’s hard to do cast a.

 

you don’t get pressure left and because of what you did in the backswing your not getting any rotation in the downswing so you stall and wait for the arms to catch up and that causes your contact issue.

 

Your ball is too far back in your stance

 

work on the wrist set and push to 7

Practicing the push to 7-8. Setting wrists earlier. Does it look better? Should I take swings this way at the range for now? 
 

*edit: to get a better stance and setup - I had to feel more leaned over my torso, I think my torso is quite short, but have long limbs so I cave to the upright position when fatigue sets in. @TheDeanAbides

Edited February 28 by ZS_22

[TheDeanAbides]

56 minutes ago, ZS_22 said:

Practicing the push to 7-8. Setting wrists earlier. Does it look better? Should I take swings this way at the range for now? 
 

*edit: to get a better stance and setup - I had to feel more leaned over my torso, I think my torso is quite short, but have long limbs so I cave to the upright position when fatigue sets in. @TheDeanAbides

 

This is before you pushed to eight. It’s already a full swing. The push to eight is really for the overswingers. It’s just a small shoulder turn from p3.

[ZS_22]

38 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

This is before you pushed to eight. It’s already a full swing. The push to eight is really for the overswingers. It’s just a small shoulder turn from p3.

Ok, got it. So just keep to 7 and fire the swing from there. Thank you! 

[TheDeanAbides]

1 minute ago, ZS_22 said:

Ok, got it. So just keep to 7 and fire the swing from there. Thank you! 

Your 7, yes. 7 is supposed to be left arm parallel.

Edited February 28 by TheDeanAbides

[Epsilon97]

1 hour ago, TheDeanAbides said:

Your 7, yes. 7 is supposed to be left arm parallel.

Does this mean at left arm parallel your arms should by a 7 o'clock? This means they should be slightly to the inside. 

As a second question, does this mean that the movement of the arms to 7 is done through body rotation as opposed to arms moving back?

Edited February 28 by Epsilon97

[TheDeanAbides]

4 minutes ago, Epsilon97 said:

Does this mean at left arm parallel your arms should by a 7 o'clock? This means they should be slightly to the inside.

Slightly, yes. 

[Golfbeat]

It goes wrong straight from the start. You need to practice hinging the club up in front of your body many, many times without turning. Everything needs to stay all the time in front of the body and your hands and elbows after the turn should also be in front of your sternum at 7 o'clock. Your hips should turn only ever so slightly in the beginning, they should turn the latest of all body movements. Yours turn too much too early. That why the athletic stance is so important.

 

 

Edited March 1 by Golfbeat

[ZS_22]

8 hours ago, Golfbeat said:

It goes wrong straight from the start. You need to practice hinging the club up in front of your body many, many times without turning. Everything needs to stay all the time in front of the body and your hands and elbows after the turn should also be in front of your sternum at 7 o'clock. Your hips should turn only ever so slightly in the beginning, they should turn the latest of all body movements. Yours turn too much too early. That why the athletic stance is so important.

 

 

I see. So keep my shoulders, arms, and chest square to the ball, but just get the wrist hinged up past my trail thigh with no turn?

 

I wonder if that’s why I’m still struggling with squaring clubface

[Golfbeat]

16 hours ago, ZS_22 said:

I see. So keep my shoulders, arms, and chest square to the ball, but just get the wrist hinged up past my trail thigh with no turn?

 

I wonder if that’s why I’m still struggling with squaring clubface

 

This is an old video but still very relevant.

 

 

[ZS_22]

I think I’m getting better and better swinging wedges and irons by incorporating the cast A and B.
 

Any advice on longer clubs? Like 3 wood/ 5 wood/ hybrids? Slowing down the drill as much as I can to make contact but can’t seem to figure out the feel with longer clubs. 

[mrjrogolfer]

Can't speak for others, but in my case I find that for longer clubs I need to release the clubhead earlier, as in pretty much right from the top, as long as I've made the transition/recentering move back to the left side. As Jack Nicklaus said, you can't release the club too soon as long as you've gotten to your left side and are swinging from the inside.With a shorter club you can release a little later. But

a longer club has a longer way to travel to get back to the ball and needs to get going sooner in order to catch up to the hands by impact so that you don't drag the handle. Whether you need to feel it as an earlier Cast A or earlier Cast B or both is something you have work out for yourself.

Remember that Monte's original NTC video in the London fog advocated releasing the club with the right hand/wrist by throwng away the angle from the top. Not a cast as long as the body rotates. There's a famous David Duval Golf Channel video where he essentially flips the right wrist horizontally (with the driver) from the top, then rotates into perfect position.  It's basically Cast B. It's been posted several times on this thread.

[mrjrogolfer]

Still valid after all these years: 

 

[mrjrogolfer]

Duval video (long version): 

 

[mrjrogolfer]

What Duval is demonstrating here is essentially Cast B with the driver from the very top to avoid getting too underplane. This feel won't work for everyone, such as those who are already too OTT, but it's a good feel for those who tend to drop the club too far behind them or handle drag or roll the forearms and wrists over in an effort to save the shot and end up hooking it.

[mrjrogolfer]

What Duval is demonstrating here is essentially Cast B with the driver from the very top to avoid getting too underplane. This feel won't work for everyone, such as those who are already too OTT, but it's a good feel for those who tend to drop the club too far behind them or handle drag or roll the forearms and wrists over in an effort to save the shot and end up hooking it.

[ZS_22]

2 hours ago, mrjrogolfer said:

Can't speak for others, but in my case I find that for longer clubs I need to release the clubhead earlier, as in pretty much right from the top, as long as I've made the transition/recentering move back to the left side. As Jack Nicklaus said, you can't release the club too soon as long as you've gotten to your left side and are swinging from the inside.With a shorter club you can release a little later. But

a longer club has a longer way to travel to get back to the ball and needs to get going sooner in order to catch up to the hands by impact so that you don't drag the handle. Whether you need to feel it as an earlier Cast A or earlier Cast B or both is something you have work out for yourself.

Remember that Monte's original NTC video in the London fog advocated releasing the club with the right hand/wrist by throwng away the angle from the top. Not a cast as long as the body rotates. There's a famous David Duval Golf Channel video where he essentially flips the right wrist horizontally (with the driver) from the top, then rotates into perfect position.  It's basically Cast B. It's been posted several times on this thread.

Thanks! The recentering move is a struggling piece for me. It feels like I sit on a stool that’s like only at my left buttcheek and then pivot from there. But I’ll give the early release a try! 
 

I’ve noticed this is something I’ve seen on a Mike Malaska video where he feels he’s tipping the club. 

Edited March 4 by ZS_22

[Golfbeat]

2 hours ago, ZS_22 said:

Thanks! The recentering move is a struggling piece for me. It feels like I sit on a stool that’s like only at my left buttcheek and then pivot from there. But I’ll give the early release a try! 
 

I’ve noticed this is something I’ve seen on a Mike Malaska video where he feels he’s tipping the club. 

 

As long as you first make sure that you get the correct set up and back swing. Without that any work on the down swing will be wasted effort.

[TheDeanAbides]

5 hours ago, ZS_22 said:

I think I’m getting better and better swinging wedges and irons by incorporating the cast A and B.
 

Any advice on longer clubs? Like 3 wood/ 5 wood/ hybrids? Slowing down the drill as much as I can to make contact but can’t seem to figure out the feel with longer clubs. 

It's already been said, but you're running before you walk. NTC is a step-by-step approach. Until you've nailed your backswing both casts will have limited success.

 

Also the longer clubs take time. You've been doing this for a couple of weeks?

Edited March 4 by TheDeanAbides

[ZS_22]

8 hours ago, TheDeanAbides said:

It's already been said, but you're running before you walk. NTC is a step-by-step approach. Until you've nailed your backswing both casts will have limited success.

 

Also the longer clubs take time. You've been doing this for a couple of weeks?

Got it! Getting ahead of myself already lol 

For the backswing, I was told on here I took the No Turn part too literally. And someone else mentioned I turned my hips too early on takeaway. Which should I focus on? I assume move upper body first and let hips go last? 

Edited March 4 by ZS_22

[TheDeanAbides]

4 minutes ago, ZS_22 said:

True! As GolfBeat also mentioned to nail the backswing first. 

For the backswing, I was told on here I took the No Turn part to literally. And someone else mentioned I turned my hips too early on takeaway. Which should I focus on? I assume move upper body first and let hips go last? 

The backswing is a chain reaction. Nothing moves until it needs to to create a coil.

 

Edit: NTC isn't about restricting anything - it's about allowing the previous part of the motion to inform and create the next part. The "no turn" part should not be forced - it's primarily for people who drag the arms back inside and over rotate. 

 

 

Edited March 4 by TheDeanAbides

[Golfbeat]

4 minutes ago, ZS_22 said:

Got it! Getting ahead of myself already lol 

For the backswing, I was told on here I took the No Turn part too literally. And someone else mentioned I turned my hips too early on takeaway. Which should I focus on? I assume move upper body first and let hips go last? 

 

Monte gives the right instructions in the video. Just watch it over and over and then practice it over and over.

[ZS_22]

38 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

The backswing is a chain reaction. Nothing moves until it needs to to create a coil.

 

Edit: NTC isn't about restricting anything - it's about allowing the previous part of the motion to inform and create the next part. The "no turn" part should not be forced - it's primarily for people who drag the arms back inside and over rotate. 

 

 

Last question: So when I make a parallel arm swing, do I need to feel the weight shift and back to recenter a little sooner than a full backswing? 
 

thanks so much for helping me understand, I have been bombarding you all with questions 

Edited March 4 by ZS_22

[Tunechigolf]

4 hours ago, ZS_22 said:

Last question: So when I make a parallel arm swing, do I need to feel the weight shift and back to recenter a little sooner than a full backswing? 
 

thanks so much for helping me understand, I have been bombarding you all with questions 

I'm implementing NTC like you too, so I'm not sure if I'm correct, but I feel like I'm on my lead side the whole time. I do shift a little pressure, but it's not a conscious pressure shift like in my full swing.

[TheDeanAbides]

23 hours ago, ZS_22 said:

Last question: So when I make a parallel arm swing, do I need to feel the weight shift and back to recenter a little sooner than a full backswing? 
 

thanks so much for helping me understand, I have been bombarding you all with questions 

Relatively it's the same time. It's just a smaller swing, so it's less pronounced. 

[Danz1man]

Hi all, 30hc here - just purchased this and excited to get practicing.. the problem has always been my downswing been all arms so obviously no power and super inconsistent.

 

I’ve had lessons and the thought I’ve always had is to pull the club vertically down at the top of the backswing (pull the chain) which I think I’ve been thinking about it all wrong. I also have days where I just forget how to wrong do this is really useful to know I’m on the correct positions regarding 7-8 o clock, the thing I’m struggling with is shifting weight and “casting out” as per montes instructions.. does it just take practice? I’m just swinging my club in the living room at the moment so no ball ect, should I continue doing this until I can get the confidence to hit a ball? 

[TheDeanAbides]

5 hours ago, Danz1man said:

Hi all, 30hc here - just purchased this and excited to get practicing.. the problem has always been my downswing been all arms so obviously no power and super inconsistent.

 

I’ve had lessons and the thought I’ve always had is to pull the club vertically down at the top of the backswing (pull the chain) which I think I’ve been thinking about it all wrong. I also have days where I just forget how to wrong do this is really useful to know I’m on the correct positions regarding 7-8 o clock, the thing I’m struggling with is shifting weight and “casting out” as per montes instructions.. does it just take practice? I’m just swinging my club in the living room at the moment so no ball ect, should I continue doing this until I can get the confidence to hit a ball? 

The best answer is to post a swing here of you hitting a ball, because if you’re off 30 it’s almost definite that there are issues before you even begin to take the club back. 
 

You can’t skip steps and succeed with the golf swing, but the good news is that we can help you. 🙂

[Danz1man]

1 hour ago, TheDeanAbides said:

The best answer is to post a swing here of you hitting a ball, because if you’re off 30 it’s almost definite that there are issues before you even begin to take the club back. 
 

You can’t skip steps and succeed with the golf swing, but the good news is that we can help you. 🙂

Thank you, I will post a video when I get time to go to the range - one thing that I do struggle with is swaying and overswinging and also coming over the top which I'm hoping is something I can get right with this swing / drill.

I have so many swing thoughts normally so just looking to reset really and get back to basics as I tend to freeze when you put a ball infront of me, I've had lessons with coaches and done a lot of work on grip and posture so I'm pretty confident these are correct...

I've started watching the series and seem to be getting into the correct positions going up on the backswing but the problem for me has always been the downpart 😞

[TheDeanAbides]

1 minute ago, Danz1man said:

Thank you, I will post a video when I get time to go to the range - one thing that I do struggle with is swaying and overswinging and also coming over the top which I'm hoping is something I can get right with this swing / drill.

I have so many swing thoughts normally so just looking to reset really and get back to basics as I tend to freeze when you put a ball infront of me, I've had lessons with coaches and done a lot of work on grip and posture so I'm pretty confident these are correct...

I've started watching the series and seem to be getting into the correct positions going up on the backswing but the problem for me has always been the downpart 😞

Let’s have a look and we’ll help you out.