Monte's new No Turn - Cast

[Danz1man]

Just now, TheDeanAbides said:

Just do it. Stop trying not to turn. See what happens.

In my videos I genuinely wasn't trying not to turn, this is just the way I've always swung a club, all I was thinking was getting the arms to 7 oclock with the correct wrist hinge.

[TheDeanAbides]

Just now, Danz1man said:

In my videos I genuinely wasn't trying not to turn, this is just the way I've always swung a club, all I was thinking was getting the arms to 7 oclock with the correct wrist hinge.

We need a face on video. 

[GoGoErky]

1 minute ago, Danz1man said:

In my videos I genuinely wasn't trying not to turn, this is just the way I've always swung a club, all I was thinking was getting the arms to 7 oclock with the correct wrist hinge.

Are you watching the videos in ntc?

 

Its a push of the hands to 7, you’re just lifting them there.

 

 

[TheDeanAbides]

23 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

Are you watching the videos in ntc?

 

Its a push of the hands to 7, you’re just lifting them there.

 

 

That's why I want him to post a face on. So we can show him what he's doing or not doing. 

[GoGoErky]

32 minutes ago, Danz1man said:

Haha

Do you have any drills to get the body rotating correctly in the backswing? It's something I've never done so not sure how to start really - is it a feeling of trying to get your back facing the target?

The drill is the NTC push the hands to 7. That’s the entire purpose of that specific drill.

[Danz1man]

On 3/12/2025 at 12:24 PM, TheDeanAbides said:

We need a face on video. 

 

 

Edited April 1 by Danz1man

[TheDeanAbides]

19 minutes ago, Danz1man said:

 

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Nothing else matters until you fix this grip. This is exactly the same issue as @iacas pointed out to you and then referenced in the Ray Jackson thread. The grip is too much in the palm of the left hand.

[GoGoErky]

16 minutes ago, Danz1man said:

 

Is this you doing the ntc drill or just making a backswing to hands to 7?

 

somethings that standout is your right arms is too straight.

 

i agree with deans earlier comment the grip has some issues. The Vs between the thumb and forefinger should point to somewhere between your right ear and right shoulder. Your right hand is pointing towards the left side and looks like your right hand is more towards your face. This also has your shoulders somewhat closed

 

 

[Danz1man]

On 3/12/2025 at 1:49 PM, GoGoErky said:

Is this you doing the ntc drill or just making a backswing to hands to 7?

 

somethings that standout is your right arms is too straight.

 

i agree with deans earlier comment the grip has some issues. The Vs between the thumb and forefinger should point to somewhere between your right ear and right shoulder. Your right hand is pointing towards the left side and looks like your right hand is more towards your face. This also has your shoulders somewhat closed

 

 

Just making the backswing to 7, my left hand is across the fingers and v pointing to right eye - I'm wondering if it's slipping out somehow in the backswing?

 

Edited April 1 by Danz1man

[GoGoErky]

24 minutes ago, Danz1man said:

Just making the backswing to 7, my left hand is across the fingers and v pointing to right eye - I'm wondering if it's slipping out somehow in the backswing?

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Go back to the Ray Jackson thread and see then photos Iacas posted for how to grip. It should be more like carrying a suitcase than what you have, it’s also very much on the weaker side of what a neutral grip would be.

 

as for the swing, since your posting in the ntc thread you should be working on the drills and posting those so we can ensure you’re doing them correctly. But you need to work on the grip and setup first 

[TheDeanAbides]

25 minutes ago, Danz1man said:

Just making the backswing to 7, my left hand is across the fingers and v pointing to right eye - I'm wondering if it's slipping out somehow in the backswing?

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At the angle you're wrapping your hand around the club you need it more in the fingers. You can see when you close it up that your hand is on the wrong side of the club. It should feel more like your left hand is on top of the club and your thumb is on the right hand side of the grip.

[ksmaine]

I have been doing a lot of these pausing drills. Am I on the right track? Anything stick out to you guys that I need to pay more attention to?

 

It's a wiffle style golf ball so the flight looks odd.

 

 

Edited March 20 by ksmaine

[TheDeanAbides]

11 hours ago, ksmaine said:

I have been doing a lot of these pausing drills. Am I on the right track? Anything stick out to you guys that I need to pay more attention to?

 

It's a wiffle style golf ball so the flight looks odd.

 

 

 

Stop following the club with your eyes. 

[ksmaine]

Thanks

[Ztl]

I see monte and a lot of other posters talking about "staying in left tilt" during the downsting as long as possible. Are there any good drills or videos showing how to stay in left bend/tilt longer? I've been doing some searching and this seems like it might be right but I'm not sure. 

 

 

 

[GoGoErky]

25 minutes ago, Ztl said:

I see monte and a lot of other posters talking about "staying in left tilt" during the downsting as long as possible. Are there any good drills or videos showing how to stay in left bend/tilt longer? I've been doing some searching and this seems like it might be right but I'm not sure. 

 

 

 

Cast A of NTC

Edited March 24 by GoGoErky

[Ztl]

1 hour ago, GoGoErky said:

Cast A of NTC

Are you referring to the instruction or the drill? Because in both he's talking about the wrists while the body stays still. Because I can do the drill, but I'm still not sure if it's translating to a slow half swing. 

 

I'm wondering if I should start incorporating what he talks about in power shift, where the left knee, hip and shoulder go down and left towards the target as I'm practicing cast a, as well as blending in the justin rose drill to make sure the arms get low enough. 

[GoGoErky]

29 minutes ago, Ztl said:

Are you referring to the instruction or the drill? Because in both he's talking about the wrists while the body stays still. Because I can do the drill, but I'm still not sure if it's translating to a slow half swing. 

 

I'm wondering if I should start incorporating what he talks about in power shift, where the left knee, hip and shoulder go down and left towards the target as I'm practicing cast a, as well as blending in the justin rose drill to make sure the arms get low enough. 

Kind of both because there’s no right side bend added when doing cast a until you then turn and hit the ball.

 

yes what is being discussed in power shift is what you should also be working on. The good thing about Monte’s video series are they build on each other or compliment each other 

[biker74]

This is my 2nd full year diving into this.Also utilizing Broom Force and an online lesson from Monte.Always been a Tour Striker Academy fan with Martin Chuck.But Monte really nailed this with his video series.Ive always had decent club head speed even well into my mid senior years now.Accuracy was my nemesis.Im noticing the dispersion now is tight draws to dead straight shots.No more balloon high hooks that become uncontrollable at times.Distance is the same.But the ball first contact and accuracy has never been better.Think this will be a good golfing year.Still feel like I just scratched the surface on my improvement and have a long way too go 

[uscheese]

Maybe a dumb question and I haven't seen it posted yet.  What is meant by "no turn"?  No backswing?  No turn before arms drop on downswing?  That part of the name of this has always confused me.

[GoGoErky]

8 minutes ago, uscheese said:

Maybe a dumb question and I haven't seen it posted yet.  What is meant by "no turn"?  No backswing?  No turn before arms drop on downswing?  That part of the name of this has always confused me.

It’s a drill/feeling of not turning the hips but rather let them turn as a result of the upper body turning. 
 

There is a push of the hands to 7 which causes the turn to happen.

[uscheese]

3 hours ago, GoGoErky said:

It’s a drill/feeling of not turning the hips but rather let them turn as a result of the upper body turning. 
 

There is a push of the hands to 7 which causes the turn to happen.

Well thank you!

[mantan]

I need to go back to this.  I was working with my instructor and he was working on my backswing.  From address he told me ‘don’t try to turn and just feel like you’re putting your right thumb in your ear’.  
 

suddenly the ‘no turn’ work I’d done years ago came flooding back.  I don’t know why I keep moving away from it. 🤦🏽‍♂️

[biglefthander]

This guy is my favorite baseball swing crank on Twitter - (bold for emphasis is me)

 

 

Some things are just wrong. 

 

Like creating and applying force (pushing) into and through contact. 

 

You’re late. And there is no time. The ball is gone. 

 

1/1000th of a second is the time the ball is on the bat. 

 

The force must be created instantly at launch. The bat must get up to speed instantly. Long before contact. 

 

You have roughly 4/30ths to 5/30ths of a second to get your barrel to contact. And then the ball leaves within 1/1000ths of a second. 

 

If you’re pushing through contact you’re still creating force…..and most of it isn’t getting to the ball. 

 

The answer is HLP. Create an instant rearward arc with speed that the ball runs into.

 

 

[MidwestHacker]

I bought the series two years ago and never really gave it more than a cursory glance. The start to this season has been horrendous for me (swing just feels all discombobulated), so Im committing to giving the NTC my full attention this year to see if I can escape the "good swing session one day, bad swing session the next" loop I've been on for too many years. I have a question: for cast A, it is just de-hinging the wrists (forcefully) and supinating the lead wrist at the same time? If I do this dehinge move at a 45 degree angle (if 90 is straight out the top of my arm/chest triangle) it seems to almost automatically supinate the lead wrist? Is this wrong? 
 

Edit: after drilling for a couple days I took the feel to the range. Definitely something here. Only hit 7,8,9 but I gained 15 yards with each club when I did the move well. So funny how you can pretty much tell if you’re doing it right because the swing feels like you’re doing almost nothing and then you hit a towering baby draw 15 yards farther than normal. Cast A definitely shallowed me out because I used to be a digger, today I was taking divots but very very thin ones. Also, cast B is magic for chipping. Never hit so many chips that crispy. 

Edited May 3 by MidwestHacker

[ralemb]

Hey everybody,

 

not sure if I was already in this thread. I bought the video series of Monte quite some time ago but as it often happens, never stick to the drills and did it for a couple of sessions but I am close to quit (again) golf. playing handicap 12 and I am a shortie. iron 7 (which is T350 so back in the days even an iron 6) maximum 150 yards. I have so many issues since years. Arms flat and deep, coming out to in / over the top, driver slices, best shots are fades/cuts/almost slices... it is so weird.. every coach and good players say I have no power because I am throwing away / casting etc... so this is a funny concept as I am doing it already but obv complety wrong.

My biggest biggest issue is heel striking, shanks...coming always back, I dont need to tell anybody here how frustrating this is... shanks can have 1.000 reasons, I had 15 pros, nobody could cure it. I know every golfer is "special" but my case is completely wild.

I got roasted already in the forum for my own swing...mentaly it it so hard.  Yesterday I played 6 over on 9 holes, score is very good, but I did not hit ANY good contact... sometimes the scores are somehow in but I want to have "MY BEST SHOTS" back or more often. I dont want more power, length, I am fine with it, but I just dont get it... at a pro with simple small adjustments so good strikes but next day all is gone.

My question here- if all of this fits into the NTC concepts and if it is worth to try again. Without a pro... but I am missing the clear drills in the series.

I can show two videos here, not sure if they help and they should not be really commented, but just to let you know who is writing 🙂

 

 

this was my last self made video 2,3 month ago but I think you see issues and bad habits etc:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/qbkhyb2wqoildkz0d4g0j/Video-31.01.25-18-33-39.mov?rlkey=c8cndylsze0evw8lckj8r98ol&st=u8v3lafb&dl=0

I got so roasted in the past, like everything is wrong, my hole concept, I had pros who wanted to start new with LAG only and all that stuff... I dont take divots at all eg. it is so frustrating but I love my good shots, I shot once under 80. Good rounds are 82,84... but that does not fit at all to my really really bad swing, technique, however you want to call it.

Edit: I also tend to sway massively where I think, maybe in order to try to turn my hips, I end up in swaying which is than actually less turn but standing up, butt comes off the wall etc...

Than I had this one here from my last lesson with a new concept of a more vertical swing and not around myself - this was a kind of 3/4 wedge. I think this looks fine, but again...this was gone the next day:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/queng8thwfe5x97optmta/Video-05.03.25-07-59-01.mov?rlkey=v3m51fxq2wda5r6q9265m18d0&st=qviswi1b&dl=0

 

so - not sure what I am expecting here now... but the 10 year journey in my case is so strange... shanks are back more often than in the past and sometimes a quick fix is the thought with left hand to bow it vertically down (like using a hammer) - which also has context in that NTC...

Edited May 3 by ralemb

[GoGoErky]

1 hour ago, ralemb said:

Hey everybody,

 

not sure if I was already in this thread. I bought the video series of Monte quite some time ago but as it often happens, never stick to the drills and did it for a couple of sessions but I am close to quit (again) golf. playing handicap 12 and I am a shortie. iron 7 (which is T350 so back in the days even an iron 6) maximum 150 yards. I have so many issues since years. Arms flat and deep, coming out to in / over the top, driver slices, best shots are fades/cuts/almost slices... it is so weird.. every coach and good players say I have no power because I am throwing away / casting etc... so this is a funny concept as I am doing it already but obv complety wrong.

My biggest biggest issue is heel striking, shanks...coming always back, I dont need to tell anybody here how frustrating this is... shanks can have 1.000 reasons, I had 15 pros, nobody could cure it. I know every golfer is "special" but my case is completely wild.

I got roasted already in the forum for my own swing...mentaly it it so hard.  Yesterday I played 6 over on 9 holes, score is very good, but I did not hit ANY good contact... sometimes the scores are somehow in but I want to have "MY BEST SHOTS" back or more often. I dont want more power, length, I am fine with it, but I just dont get it... at a pro with simple small adjustments so good strikes but next day all is gone.

My question here- if all of this fits into the NTC concepts and if it is worth to try again. Without a pro... but I am missing the clear drills in the series.

I can show two videos here, not sure if they help and they should not be really commented, but just to let you know who is writing 🙂

 

 

this was my last self made video 2,3 month ago but I think you see issues and bad habits etc:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/qbkhyb2wqoildkz0d4g0j/Video-31.01.25-18-33-39.mov?rlkey=c8cndylsze0evw8lckj8r98ol&st=u8v3lafb&dl=0

I got so roasted in the past, like everything is wrong, my hole concept, I had pros who wanted to start new with LAG only and all that stuff... I dont take divots at all eg. it is so frustrating but I love my good shots, I shot once under 80. Good rounds are 82,84... but that does not fit at all to my really really bad swing, technique, however you want to call it.

Edit: I also tend to sway massively where I think, maybe in order to try to turn my hips, I end up in swaying which is than actually less turn but standing up, butt comes off the wall etc...

Than I had this one here from my last lesson with a new concept of a more vertical swing and not around myself - this was a kind of 3/4 wedge. I think this looks fine, but again...this was gone the next day:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/queng8thwfe5x97optmta/Video-05.03.25-07-59-01.mov?rlkey=v3m51fxq2wda5r6q9265m18d0&st=qviswi1b&dl=0

 

so - not sure what I am expecting here now... but the 10 year journey in my case is so strange... shanks are back more often than in the past and sometimes a quick fix is the thought with left hand to bow it vertically down (like using a hammer) - which also has context in that NTC...

NTC is good for anyone who wants to improve their swing mechanics. The rub is that the person using the series has to understand and accept that changes don’t happen overnight or even in a few weeks and that it make take months just working on the push to 7 to get it in a good position. 
 

 

[games]

19 hours ago, ralemb said:

so - not sure what I am expecting here now... but the 10 year journey in my case is so strange... shanks are back more often than in the past and sometimes a quick fix is the thought with left hand to bow it vertically down (like using a hammer) - which also has context in that NTC...

 

Monte's videos are really good. But, I could never make them consistent because I had problems with my grip that I never fixed.

Really, I never wanted to fix them. I always wanted to focus on more "advanced" issues.

After two years off from golf, I realize I was wrong.

So, I hope this helps.

 

You need to fix your grip.

Your wrists don't flex or extend, and they don't c0ck or unc0ck.

Your grip is why you hit the ball thin and hit shanks.

It will take only a few sessions to implement a new grip, but will take months to make the grip change permanent.

Your grip will slip back to its old position if you are not conscious about it. 

 

At the bottom, I posted a video from AMG discussing how casting is often caused by a faulty grip.

But, first, here is a video from John Schlee, a former pro tour player who used to play with Ben Hogan.

This is the most detailed description of a proper conventional finger grip that I have ever seen.

Good luck!

 

 

 

 

    

 

 

 

 

 

[Valtiel]

On 5/3/2025 at 3:00 PM, ralemb said:

so - not sure what I am expecting here now... but the 10 year journey in my case is so strange... shanks are back more often than in the past

 

13 hours ago, games said:

Your wrists don't flex or extend, and they don't c0ck or unc0ck.

Agreed. This looks like an *extremely* severe case of trying to "take the hands out of the swing". @ralemb it functionally looks like you're trying to swing with just your arms and it gets you coming down so wide and late that you have no hope of generating any speed, creating a good low point, or "compressing" the ball. This is compounded by the fact that your backswing in the first video is quite long. Without the engagement and use of your hands to create speed you can never get the club down in sequence because it's lagging so far behind. In your old thread you posted several different videos from various years that all had versions of similar problems, although the solution back then was always to get your swing shorter and get your wrists set earlier, and what you're doing here is the opposite of that. Big backswing + no wrists = stuck and flip at the ball.

The best swings you managed to post from back then were you making 1/2 swings, which is still something I constantly harp on to this day. You *have* to be able to do those well and while yours weren't perfect, they were miles better than your full swing, so i'll repeat what I and several other people said back in 2021/2022; your backswing is bad and your transition is worse. You need to shorten way up and learn/relearn how to get speed from loading and unloading your hands *before* you can ever make a "full" backswing again. You're so far out of bounds with where you are right now in all the same ways that were discussed 4 years ago but even more amplified now that you clearly need extremely restrictive parameters to make the changes you need to make. There is no reason you can't do this as your current swing is *way* harder to hit the ball with than a fundamentally sound one. The problems are very likely mental as your problems have been identified and solutions have been given but for whatever reason you continue down the same "bad" path.
 

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it is so weird.. every coach and good players say I have no power because I am throwing away / casting etc... so this is a funny concept as I am doing it already but obv complety wrong.

They are correct, but i'm curious what you mean "I am doing it already but obviously completely wrong". You "cast" because you have no power loaded in your hands/wrists at the top (and when you did in the past it was late). The loading of the wists is something that starts quite early in the backswing, far earlier than most average players do it. The video you posted from 2013 has you doing exactly what you should be doing with the wrists in the practice swings you take. Then you actually address the ball you make a very different backswing:



Practice swing on the left, real swing immediately after on that right. Way longer and with way later setting of the wrists (something you aren't even doing at all now). This suggests even that long ago that you never had a sense of where the club actually was in the backswing and when to load your wrists. Your later swings all seemed to suffer from a continuing degradation of where the club was at the top of your swing....getting you into more and more terrible stuck positions. For your hands to now be shut down completely and from a very flat/deep position suggests my theory is accurate. You've continued chasing different things without ever gaining an awareness of where the club was in the backswing, or having that awareness but no knowledge of where it was supposed to be.

Improvements can't be made within this framework, so you have to break out of that framework and do something very different and restrictive like I mentioned. Get back to those half swings and try to create as much speed and power with your hands as possible and go from there. Start a new thread if you can take some video of that and tag me when you do.

Edited May 5 by Valtiel

[ralemb]

Hi all, 

 

thanks for the replies so far. Probably it’s hard to not have a same thread like a few years ago and this here is about the NTC. 
 

I appreciate the feedback but to be honest I don’t understand the wrong grip and “no hands” action. The grip I have is much more stronger than in the past, seeing the knuckles of the left hand and I have the feeling if I set more the wrist I will cross (not sure if this is called that way in English) at the the highest point. 

since the last thread I tried another 3,4 pros and again (like back in those days) everbody was happy with the basics, with back swing and everbody tried only those kind of quick fixes. Most of the time bringing the arms higher in back swing and not flat and deep and in the DS bringing the hands more close to the body. Nobody was talking about more hands, more wrist and all that stuff. 
 

Not saying that they did the right thing but as I am swinging this way since years, somehow improving my scores (but mainly due to experience, short game etc) I think I am not able to have a completely different idea of the swing 😞 

 

sometimes and quite recently I had some swing (with wood5 from a tee) where I actively release the hands more in/after the impact where I see a much more easy compressed ball. Maybe this goes into the direction your are talking about here? 
 

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Improvements can't be made within this framework, so you have to break out of that framework and do something very different and restrictive like I mentioned. Get back to those half swings and try to create as much speed and power with your hands as possible and go from there. Start a new thread if you can take some video of that and tag me when you do.

 

just seeing now your edits:

- so this was my question here in the thread if NTC applies to me, it doesnt sounds like so than there is no reason to try this if the framework is wrong, thank you for that.

I can't start completely new... I tried really often, with Forum, with a pro, I am not mental to go through couple of months of range sessions etc... (especially as I am the worst player on the planet on a driving range. There was one pro who wanted to build it different which I believe goes in that direction. I should do ONYL half swings with PW with the task to avoid hitting a tee / towel, whatever which is places right next to the ball, so that I will hit ball first, than the ground. 

I tried 3,4 weeks, no playing on the course, only this. After two sessions I hit 99% shanks, even at the next session with the pros. Only shanks and he was not able to fix it in 60 minutes.

This is a lot of whining, I know I have a crappy swing with no power, still manage to play good scores, which is fine... but too many bad weeks of having shanks back and all that stuff and I know that 115 yards for a PW with 43° of loft is not much 🙂

As I am playing this 10 years the bad swing is getting more and more my swing of course and unfortunately I am not the person who could spend every evening on a range to build up something new, which - and this nobody wants to hear - according to my long term coach (who was teacher of the year and pro of a lot of pros and teams in Germany) does not believe at all in this - but probably because he knows me and my mentality very well 🙂

Unfortunately I dont understand what It mean to load wrist late, early, too late and all that stuff.. if a c0ck more the left wrist, the top position looks way worst than now..

 

 

 

Edited May 5 by ralemb