Monte's new No Turn - Cast

[biker74]

I’m doing the ntc and broom force mostly by feel with little video. Maybe I need to record my swing more and less feel. You guys would know what is good or bad. Will go back to backswing drills. I’m doing my best 😞

[GoGoErky]

12 minutes ago, biker74 said:

I’m doing the ntc and broom force mostly by feel with little video. Maybe I need to record my swing more and less feel. You guys would know what is good or bad. Will go back to backswing drills. I’m doing my best 😞

What part of NTC are you doing?

 

the swing looks more Matt Wolff ish than ntc or broom force 

Edited July 10 by GoGoErky

[TheDeanAbides]

21 minutes ago, biker74 said:

I’m doing the ntc and broom force mostly by feel with little video. Maybe I need to record my swing more and less feel. You guys would know what is good or bad. Will go back to backswing drills. I’m doing my best 😞

Yeah, it’s not meant as a dig. What Gogo said. 

[biker74]

16 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

What part of NTC are you doing?

 

the swing looks more Matt Wolff ish than ntc or broom force 

Both. As I think all his videos are all related with the same meaning  

[TheDeanAbides]

2 minutes ago, biker74 said:

Both. As I think all his videos are all related with the same meaning  

How did you interpret Monte's videos to get that wrist position in the takeaway?

[vandyfan]

On year 2.5 since I introduced the NTC into my swing and still struggle with my takeaway as well as not spinning out from the top. I just have a tremendously stubborn swing despite Monte’s fantastic instruction. Also, my clubface is very shut at the top but it seems to work out okay so far. This is my swing in relative slow(er) motion (i have slowed the playback speed):

[fieldsy22]

12 minutes ago, vandyfan said:

On year 2.5 since I introduced the NTC into my swing and still struggle with my takeaway as well as not spinning out from the top. I just have a tremendously stubborn swing despite Monte’s fantastic instruction. Also, my clubface is very shut at the top but it seems to work out okay so far. This is my swing in relative slow(er) motion (i have slowed the playback speed):

 

It looks to me that your takeaway is very much from the inside - I had this also but I got Monte's efficient swing which covers this in detail - it has really helped me get a sense of the wrists and hands in the first movement of the takeaway and is getting me in a good position to the 'hands at 8 oclock' before cast 1.  The Efficient swing series is well worth it and in actual fact, I wish I got it before getting NTC.

[GoGoErky]

36 minutes ago, fieldsy22 said:

 

It looks to me that your takeaway is very much from the inside - I had this also but I got Monte's efficient swing which covers this in detail - it has really helped me get a sense of the wrists and hands in the first movement of the takeaway and is getting me in a good position to the 'hands at 8 oclock' before cast 1.  The Efficient swing series is well worth it and in actual fact, I wish I got it before getting NTC.

He’s standing close to the club and has to move the hips out of the way, push the hands out to start the swing. He then rolls the hands/arms inside and gets under the plane early 

his trail arm is pinned to his side which is another issue that will negatively affect transit. Because of what he does in the take away and doesnt get pressure left early he is stuck on the back leg, drops the trail shoulder as his shallowing move and the pressure comes off the trail hip but getting it closer to the ball getting the arms/hands stuck

 

[vandyfan]

1 hour ago, GoGoErky said:

He’s standing close to the club and has to move the hips out of the way, push the hands out to start the swing. He then rolls the hands/arms inside and gets under the plane early 

his trail arm is pinned to his side which is another issue that will negatively affect transit. Because of what he does in the take away and doesnt get pressure left early he is stuck on the back leg, drops the trail shoulder as his shallowing move and the pressure comes off the trail hip but getting it closer to the ball getting the arms/hands stuck

 

 

Yikes. Still miles away. I am standing more upright because I am starting to have back issues, which moves me closer to the ball. Everything else, yep that is a bunch of my normal problems. I started pushing my hips back because I was drifting toward the ball in my backswing originally (think early extension but in the BACKSWING). 

[GoGoErky]

1 hour ago, vandyfan said:

 

Yikes. Still miles away. I am standing more upright because I am starting to have back issues, which moves me closer to the ball. Everything else, yep that is a bunch of my normal problems. I started pushing my hips back because I was drifting toward the ball in my backswing originally (think early extension but in the BACKSWING). 

Not a diagnosis, but it’s possible the early extension and right side bend are part of the issue with the back. It something inexperienced periodically when I was playing and dealing with early extension. Especially when having the chance to hit balls a lot during the week.

 

have you seen a pt for a diagnosis and maybe some exercises to help?

Edited July 10 by GoGoErky

[biker74]

3 hours ago, TheDeanAbides said:

How did you interpret Monte's videos to get that wrist position in the takeaway?

I would think take it more in front of my body and a slight motorcycle closed feeling to the top while recentering and not over turning. Than cast a, turn and than cast b

oddly I was hitting the ball very well end of last season and this season.So I figured if the ball is going good it must be working.Appreciate the honesty.Im just old school and try and feel like what I see or read in golf.Its 2025 not 1985 I need to tell myself. Really felt like I had something this time 😞

Edited July 10 by biker74

[vandyfan]

1 hour ago, GoGoErky said:

have you seen a pt for a diagnosis and maybe some exercises to help

oh yes, been to my GP, 2 PTs, a chiropractor and trainer. I have tons of exercises and I do them constantly but we aren’t entirely sure what it is. Nothing showed up on x ray and the pain comes and goes (usually absent when I have a PT appointment). Most likely a disk bulge with some hip arthritis as well. Working on strengthening glute, glute medius, spinal erectors, abs etc with bodyweight. I can play 18 holes ok but not sure about multiple days of golf in a row. 

[GoGoErky]

1 hour ago, vandyfan said:

oh yes, been to my GP, 2 PTs, a chiropractor and trainer. I have tons of exercises and I do them constantly but we aren’t entirely sure what it is. Nothing showed up on x ray and the pain comes and goes (usually absent when I have a PT appointment). Most likely a disk bulge with some hip arthritis as well. Working on strengthening glute, glute medius, spinal erectors, abs etc with bodyweight. I can play 18 holes ok but not sure about multiple days of golf in a row. 

Solid. Those should help 

[vandyfan]

@GoGoErky, in the short run -- would shortening my swing a bit help as well? I feel like I get pulled toward the ball from having my arms overrun a bit and getting too big of a backswing that then becomes hard to unwind efficiently. 

[GoGoErky]

25 minutes ago, vandyfan said:

@GoGoErky, in the short run -- would shortening my swing a bit help as well? I feel like I get pulled toward the ball from having my arms overrun a bit and getting too big of a backswing that then becomes hard to unwind efficiently. 

That might be able to help. A swing to about 10 is plenty 

[SollyinGA]

Coming back from 1.5 years off due to burnout. I started back a couple of months and haven’t felt comfortable with my swing. I started NTC last week. It hasn’t been easy, but most of the setup and transition translates to what I’ve always done.

 

I've always fought the lefts, but the bowed left wrist has kicked it into hyper mode! It’s a nasty left hook with every club in the bag from Driver down to sandwedge ( I don’t carry a lob wedge). I’ve hit some of the biggest hooks and pulls that I’ve ever witnessed. I am rotating I sync with the arms. I’ve even tried to rotate early.  I think I’m too bowed at this point. 
 

I’m going to experiment with less bow and see if I can keep some on the planet the next few days. 
 

Anyone else run into this? I’ve read over half the chat, but it’s huge at this point.

Edited July 14 by SollyinGA

[SollyinGA]

15 hours ago, SollyinGA said:

Coming back from 1.5 years off due to burnout. I started back a couple of months and haven’t felt comfortable with my swing. I started NTC last week. It hasn’t been easy, but most of the setup and transition translates to what I’ve always done.

 

I've always fought the lefts, but the bowed left wrist has kicked it into hyper mode! It’s a nasty left hook with every club in the bag from Driver down to sandwedge ( I don’t carry a lob wedge). I’ve hit some of the biggest hooks and pulls that I’ve ever witnessed. I am rotating I sync with the arms. I’ve even tried to rotate early.  I think I’m too bowed at this point. 
 

I’m going to experiment with less bow and see if I can keep some on the planet the next few days. 
 

Anyone else run into this? I’ve read over half the chat, but it’s huge at this point.

I think I’ve solved this myself. It looks like my cast A has moved closer to 6:30 verses 8:00. It’s caused me to be out-to-in verses my usual in-to-out path. 
 

 

[mongoosegolfer]

On 7/13/2025 at 8:31 PM, SollyinGA said:

Coming back from 1.5 years off due to burnout. I started back a couple of months and haven’t felt comfortable with my swing. I started NTC last week. It hasn’t been easy, but most of the setup and transition translates to what I’ve always done.

 

I've always fought the lefts, but the bowed left wrist has kicked it into hyper mode! It’s a nasty left hook with every club in the bag from Driver down to sandwedge ( I don’t carry a lob wedge). I’ve hit some of the biggest hooks and pulls that I’ve ever witnessed. I am rotating I sync with the arms. I’ve even tried to rotate early.  I think I’m too bowed at this point. 
 

I’m going to experiment with less bow and see if I can keep some on the planet the next few days. 
 

Anyone else run into this? I’ve read over half the chat, but it’s huge at this point.

Do you play with a strong grip? I've always had a strong grip and it allows me to draw the ball pretty easily but when things get off it leads to massive hooks.

[SollyinGA]

38 minutes ago, mongoosegolfer said:

Do you play with a strong grip? I've always had a strong grip and it allows me to draw the ball pretty easily but when things get off it leads to massive hooks.

I switch from time to time. I play mostly a neutral grip though. My big hooks usually come from my arms out running my body rotation. 

[dwhhhhhhhhh]

I realised I was not incorporating the shift / re-centering move at the top of my backswing. I tried my first range session with it last night and was getting inconsistent contacts (thins, fats, toes.) I would say the majority of misses were fat (as if I was flexing down and not getting out of it enough coming through). I think I was perhaps (i) not getting over to right enough initially and (ii) this meant I went left too early resulting in getting too much flex over onto my left knee, which made springing out of it tricky. Can others see anything else apparent here?

 

I feel like I’m close. Maybe need to try making the weight shift / transition more subtle. 

Edited July 17 by dwhhhhhhhhh

[qsplund]

I have a seemingly treatment-resistant chronic OTT move that's been rearing its head a lot recently. Trying to address it by just grinding a lot of exaggerated, slow-ish, 50%, Cast A-focused swings.

 

I feel like I'm finally getting to a place where my arms & wrists work properly in transition and I come in shallow (previously I found myself able to ulnar deviate hard towards 8'o clock and still yank the handle and come in super steep) but so far haven't been able to translate this kind of swing to the actual driving range, much less the course.

 

If I'm mistaken and actually doing something wrong with my wrists in transition, I'd love to hear it.

 

 

 

 

 

[TheDeanAbides]

15 hours ago, qsplund said:

I have a seemingly treatment-resistant chronic OTT move that's been rearing its head a lot recently. Trying to address it by just grinding a lot of exaggerated, slow-ish, 50%, Cast A-focused swings.

 

I feel like I'm finally getting to a place where my arms & wrists work properly in transition and I come in shallow (previously I found myself able to ulnar deviate hard towards 8'o clock and still yank the handle and come in super steep) but so far haven't been able to translate this kind of swing to the actual driving range, much less the course.

 

If I'm mistaken and actually doing something wrong with my wrists in transition, I'd love to hear it.

 

 

 

 

 

I'd address setup first. You're a bit too straight up and down with the lower body which is bringing your hands too close to your thighs at address. Setup should give the impression that you're ready to perform a dynamic move. Do you look like you're going to dive into a pool or watch someone from the side? 

 

 

[dwhhhhhhhhh]

What’s a good way to shorten your back swing, while maintaining Monte’s NTC model? Currently my feel is to set wrists early and ‘lift’ arms to 7pm. Then I push them back to 8pm and cast. My arms are overrunning though, leading to loss of wrist angle and right elbow disconnection at the top of backswing. This is giving me an across the line position I want to fix as it’s leading to inconsistent strike. 

[dwhhhhhhhhh]

I might try setting wrists early, ‘lift’ to 6pm, push to 7pm, cast to 8pm. 

[GoGoErky]

8 minutes ago, dwhhhhhhhhh said:

What’s a good way to shorten your back swing, while maintaining Monte’s NTC model? Currently my feel is to set wrists early and ‘lift’ arms to 7pm. Then I push them back to 8pm and cast. My arms are overrunning though, leading to loss of wrist angle and right elbow disconnection at the top of backswing. This is giving me an across the line position I want to fix as it’s leading to inconsistent strike. 

If you’re doing ntc you will have a shorter backswing 

[RayPlan]

5 hours ago, dwhhhhhhhhh said:

What’s a good way to shorten your back swing, while maintaining Monte’s NTC model? Currently my feel is to set wrists early and ‘lift’ arms to 7pm. Then I push them back to 8pm and cast. My arms are overrunning though, leading to loss of wrist angle and right elbow disconnection at the top of backswing. This is giving me an across the line position I want to fix as it’s leading to inconsistent strike. 

If you're following the video, the backswing Monte shows barely goes past P3

[TheDeanAbides]

10 hours ago, dwhhhhhhhhh said:

What’s a good way to shorten your back swing, while maintaining Monte’s NTC model? Currently my feel is to set wrists early and ‘lift’ arms to 7pm. Then I push them back to 8pm and cast. My arms are overrunning though, leading to loss of wrist angle and right elbow disconnection at the top of backswing. This is giving me an across the line position I want to fix as it’s leading to inconsistent strike. 

Post a swing. There's a reason why you can't shorten it - almost always sequencing - but it's definitely a Nike Drill situation for most. Post a swing though, and we'll help you. 

[dwhhhhhhhhh]

Here’s a typical swing, with NTC feels i.e. no conscious effort to turn, setting wrists by lead arm parallel, butt of club pointing between toes and ball at 7:00, pushing arms to 7:30 / 8:00. I’ve added a couple of screengrabs of where I’m trying to end versus my actual top of backswing. 

 

Edited July 25 by dwhhhhhhhhh

[TheDeanAbides]

22 hours ago, dwhhhhhhhhh said:

Here’s a typical swing, with NTC feels i.e. no conscious effort to turn, setting wrists by lead arm parallel, butt of club pointing between toes and ball at 7:00, pushing arms to 7:30 / 8:00. I’ve added a couple of screengrabs of where I’m trying to end versus my actual top of backswing. 

 

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Give yourself a better chance to turn effectively by having a bit more room at address. You're very cramped and close to the ball. Your first move is a little bit too down and out - watch out for that. With regards the overswing, honestly, that's a Nike Drill - just do it. You may have to think about ending the swing at P3 to get to the top of the swing position you want. 

 

The biggest issue is your transition move, though. You shift everything close to ball and cramp yourself even further. You need to work on your pelvis to get the feeling that it all stays back longer to create space. With your cramped setup and then the EE in transition you have no space to release effectively. 

Edited July 26 by TheDeanAbides

[dwhhhhhhhhh]

Thanks. My checkpoints for setup are typically (i) hands just over toe line and (ii) butt of club pointing at belt buckle. How much would you suggest moving back? One or two ball widths? I think I’d look to achieve this by increasing my bend at hip, while keeping hands still above toe line. Monte says (in his setup fundamentals series) to draw a line through your trail shoulder and it should bisect the pointer and middle finger of your trail hand. 

 

Edited July 25 by dwhhhhhhhhh