Monte's new No Turn - Cast

[biker74]

42 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

Considering that all good players recenter and then get pressure to the lead side before transition, it’s the right way to hit the ball. 
 

Thankfully we have measured data for the golf swing and know what happens from start to finish, so we don’t have to guess what’s right or wrong anymore. We have factual data 

Other instructors need to copy this presentation.He used hard data to make a swing method that amateurs can use.While other instructors are still teaching their swings or feels.The feel stuff has ruined most of us.Its the sign of the times.People are smart shoppers now.

[GoGoErky]

3 minutes ago, mo77 said:

Other instructors need to copy this presentation.He used hard data to make a swing method that amateurs can use.While other instructors are still teaching their swings or feels.The feel stuff has ruined most of us.Its the sign of the times.People are smart shoppers now.

Who used hard data to make a swing method?  Don’t want to assume you’re referring to Monte.
 

Most instructors are teaching the same things; and adapt what they say or how they teach it to each student because each person has their own feels for what they need to do to create a movements pattern. Iacas has talked about using different feels for two students with the same issue. 
 

I don’t think the few stuff has ruined people. It’s the lack of proper implementation of a proper swing, or proper practice that holds most back.

 

 

[biker74]

31 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

Who used hard data to make a swing method?  Don’t want to assume you’re referring to Monte.
 

Most instructors are teaching the same things; and adapt what they say or how they teach it to each student because each person has their own feels for what they need to do to create a movements pattern. Iacas has talked about using different feels for two students with the same issue. 
 

I don’t think the few stuff has ruined people. It’s the lack of proper implementation of a proper swing, or proper practice that holds most back.

 

 

I would slightly disagree on proper practice and implementation. Yes , it may happen occasionally.But many or trying to get in swing positions that are truly not beneficial to their body types or physical abilities.Here is an example of what I’m trying to say 

It’s hard posting a response correctly for all on these forums.many can over look into it or interpret it wrong.

 

Edited December 23, 2024 by mo77

[biker74]

Delete. Looks like it posted above 

Edited December 23, 2024 by mo77

[GoGoErky]

21 minutes ago, mo77 said:

I would slightly disagree on proper practice and implementation. Yes , it may happen occasionally.But many or trying to get in swing positions that are truly not beneficial to their body types or physical abilities.Here is an example of what I’m trying to say 

It’s hard posting a response correctly for all on these forums.many can over look into it or interpret it wrong.

It happens all the time, not occasionally. Just look at any of the videos in this section of the forum. There is a bad implementation of the golf swing based on some self diagnosis of a swing fault that is a symptom rather than a cause. We see people practicing and working on the wrong things to fix something in their swing or their ball flight. When they practice almost all fail to do any slow motion reps, have the ability to watch their videos and see what’s going wrong. They chase some look or like you said some feel. That’s what’s got the large majority of amateurs messed up.

 

Most have the ability to get into the positions regardless of their body type or physical abilities, the problem is they are making incorrect movements somewhere in the swing that prevent them. Whether thats a reaction to trying to prevent something in their ball flight or lack of understanding of how to do it properly. It takes more effort to do things wrong than correctly and it’s harder on the body to do them wrong. Monte has talked about students coming to him saying they can’t rotate or can’t do X. He shows them what they are doing wrong and then gets them to do

it right and boom they have rotation, etc for whatever they claimed they couldn’t do.

 

It’s why going about swing changes or learning on one’s own is the long, hard and frustrating way

[biker74]

36 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

It happens all the time, not occasionally. Just look at any of the videos in this section of the forum. There is a bad implementation of the golf swing based on some self diagnosis of a swing fault that is a symptom rather than a cause. We see people practicing and working on the wrong things to fix something in their swing or their ball flight. When they practice almost all fail to do any slow motion reps, have the ability to watch their videos and see what’s going wrong. They chase some look or like you said some feel. That’s what’s got the large majority of amateurs messed up.

 

Most have the ability to get into the positions regardless of their body type or physical abilities, the problem is they are making incorrect movements somewhere in the swing that prevent them. Whether thats a reaction to trying to prevent something in their ball flight or lack of understanding of how to do it properly. It takes more effort to do things wrong than correctly and it’s harder on the body to do them wrong. Monte has talked about students coming to him saying they can’t rotate or can’t do X. He shows them what they are doing wrong and then gets them to do

it right and boom they have rotation, etc for whatever they claimed they couldn’t do.

 

It’s why going about swing changes or learning on one’s own is the long, hard and frustrating way

They need to have this post “enshrined” at the top of this instruction page.Well said sir.

[RayPlan]

10 hours ago, Epsilon97 said:

What is the feel you get when you generate speed with the Cast B? It doesn’t feel like a power move to me. I am used to generating what feels like power to me in a downward swing with my arms. 

It seems akin to a volleyball spike to me. No question that those create speed.

 

 

[slytown]

On 12/23/2024 at 7:45 PM, RayPlan said:

It seems akin to a volleyball spike to me. No question that those create speed.

 

 

 

TPI has folks with no vertical throw a ball down and jump at the same time. A similar feeling I agree. However, you can over do it and get so much vertical and release that you are under plane.

[Doodlebug87]

Going back to fundamentals over the winter - am I doing this correctly? One practicing the NTC sequence and one taking it into a normal swing

 

Edited December 29, 2024 by Doodlebug87

[mitchdoc]

This move and approach saves me every time I feel my swing go awry.

I think I can be longer thinking rotation and speed but not consistent like this 

[RayPlan]

7 hours ago, Doodlebug87 said:

Going back to fundamentals over the winter - am I doing this correctly? One practicing the NTC sequence and one taking it into a normal swing

 

I noticed in the drill it seemed like you would try to get some momentum going into each part of the sequence. Like before the 7 to 8, you turned back toward 6, then used your body more to get your hands to 8, versus how Monte describes pushing your hands and your body reacting. 

[RayPlan]

4 hours ago, mitchdoc said:

This move and approach saves me every time I feel my swing go awry.

I think I can be longer thinking rotation and speed but not consistent like this 

There's nothing about this method that hampers speed, so it shouldn't reduce distance at all.

[mitchdoc]

1 hour ago, RayPlan said:

There's nothing about this method that hampers speed, so it shouldn't reduce distance at all.

I know but when I aggressively use the body and grown I can get more speed but it is easy to mishit...

Monte NTC feels a bit more deliberate but more repeatable.

[RayPlan]

Did anyone else have trouble getting the "push to 7 o'clock" correct at first? I struggled to do it without just unknowingly lifting my arms into position.

 

The one feeling that unlocked it for me was to feel like my right hand was providing resistance to my left hand, which was actively trying to push back to 7. This feeling caused my body to react by rotating. The videos don't really explain the push in detail, but this dawned on my while drilling, and it worked to avoid the left arm getting pinned against my chest.

[Epsilon97]

I have @MonteScheinblum’s Efficient Swing video series and the No Turn Cast series. I am so very inconsistent with hitting thin and fat and toe and heel. As you can tell I am a high handicap golfer. How can I get this basic contact to be more consistent? I almost feel like I am too broken to get much value from watching these video series.

[GoGoErky]

5 minutes ago, Epsilon97 said:

I have @MonteScheinblum’s Efficient Swing video series and the No Turn Cast series. I am so very inconsistent with hitting thin and fat and toe and heel. As you can tell I am a high handicap golfer. How can I get this basic contact to be more consistent? I almost feel like I am too broken to get much value from watching these video series.

How often are you practicing? 

 

Are you doing the drills in either of the two series you have?

 
If you do practice what does a practice session look like?

 

[RayPlan]

6 hours ago, Epsilon97 said:

I have @MonteScheinblum’s Efficient Swing video series and the No Turn Cast series. I am so very inconsistent with hitting thin and fat and toe and heel. As you can tell I am a high handicap golfer. How can I get this basic contact to be more consistent? I almost feel like I am too broken to get much value from watching these video series.

You won't get much value just watching them. You have to absorb the information, do the drills while taking video, review the video to see if you're doing it correctly, then correct the things you're not doing properly. If you don't know whether you're doing it properly, post video and ask. 

 

I posted some video in my own thread and was told I was doing the "push to 7:00 move wrong." It's valuable.

Edited January 1 by RayPlan

[Nels55]

10 hours ago, Epsilon97 said:

I have @MonteScheinblum’s Efficient Swing video series and the No Turn Cast series. I am so very inconsistent with hitting thin and fat and toe and heel. As you can tell I am a high handicap golfer. How can I get this basic contact to be more consistent? I almost feel like I am too broken to get much value from watching these video series.

Based on my observations of myself and the golfers that I saw at Monte's clinic it seems that if there is a glaring fault in your swing there is a pretty good chance that watching the videos and doing the drills will not fix the real problem.  I think that some people can succeed that way while others like me are better off with lessons in person or by video.  Find out what your number one swing fault is and fix it before moving to the next problem.  

[RayPlan]

17 hours ago, Epsilon97 said:

I have @MonteScheinblum’s Efficient Swing video series and the No Turn Cast series. I am so very inconsistent with hitting thin and fat and toe and heel. As you can tell I am a high handicap golfer. How can I get this basic contact to be more consistent? I almost feel like I am too broken to get much value from watching these video series.

If you have the ability to take video of your swing, just do the drills and post video. Even if it's bad. Here's me from a few days ago attempting NTC drills and whiffing it! It's fine!

 

 

 

 

The important thing is that the video showed that I was doing things incorrectly. I can't always tell what those things are, but another set of eyes can help.

 

 

Edited January 1 by RayPlan

[Mr Fade]

After decades of arms overrun and over swinging and cross the line issues, I have - thanks to @MonteScheinblum and the No turn cast videos - I have a short (perfect) and easy going swing. From 5 degrees from the inside and a two way miss with my longer clubs to a neutral path and full(ish) control over the club face. Actually, I have never seen the number 0 so many times on a Trackman sessions as I did today. And I am referring to club path and not ball speed, haha.

 

One question to all of you with greater knowledge than I have. To be able to shorten my swing to 7 or 8 o´clock, I had to slow the backswing down. With my normal speed, I can not stop it in time. This robs me on distance. I am loosing a couple of mph with the irons, but thanks to strike/smash I have my normal distances. But with longer clubs, especially driver, I am down 10 to 15 mph. This is all new to me and I think my distances will come back when I get use to the new move. What do you think?

[RayPlan]

3 hours ago, Mr Fade said:

After decades of arms overrun and over swinging and cross the line issues, I have - thanks to @MonteScheinblum and the No turn cast videos - I have a short (perfect) and easy going swing. From 5 degrees from the inside and a two way miss with my longer clubs to a neutral path and full(ish) control over the club face. Actually, I have never seen the number 0 so many times on a Trackman sessions as I did today. And I am referring to club path and not ball speed, haha.

 

One question to all of you with greater knowledge than I have. To be able to shorten my swing to 7 or 8 o´clock, I had to slow the backswing down. With my normal speed, I can not stop it in time. This robs me on distance. I am loosing a couple of mph with the irons, but thanks to strike/smash I have my normal distances. But with longer clubs, especially driver, I am down 10 to 15 mph. This is all new to me and I think my distances will come back when I get use to the new move. What do you think?

I feel you on this one. I have to really pay close attention not to over swing. Since I started NTC drilling, my backswing has been slower just to make sure I don't whip my hands outside or pull my left arm across my chest. 

 

Monte posted a good short of his about swing speed/tempo in another thread. It doesn't directly answer the question, but it gets at the idea.

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDk_SSnyq_f/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

 

The idea is to have quick backswing, but spend more time at the top in transition. AMG also had a video on this just the other day. 

 

 

 

I think it's just a matter of getting the feeling down of when to stop accelerating back, so things are decelerating toward the top position you want.

 

Ultimately though, Monte teaches that you don't have to have a long backswing to generate good speed. 

[Rbsiedsc]

On 1/2/2025 at 3:43 PM, RayPlan said:

I feel you on this one. I have to really pay close attention not to over swing. Since I started NTC drilling, my backswing has been slower just to make sure I don't whip my hands outside or pull my left arm across my chest. 

 

Monte posted a good short of his about swing speed/tempo in another thread. It doesn't directly answer the question, but it gets at the idea.

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDk_SSnyq_f/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

 

The idea is to have quick backswing, but spend more time at the top in transition. AMG also had a video on this just the other day. 

 

 

 

I think it's just a matter of getting the feeling down of when to stop accelerating back, so things are decelerating toward the top position you want.

 

Ultimately though, Monte teaches that you don't have to have a long backswing to generate good speed. 

I’ve discovered this as well through using your tempo and speed training. I feel like I am at the top forever which takes getting used to but is much more consistent. 

[vandyfan]

On 1/5/2025 at 9:15 AM, Rbsiedsc said:

I feel like I am at the top forever which takes getting used to but is much more consistent.

 

***Disclaimer*** these thoughts are my own and not Monte's 

 

I always wonder if the pause drill is good for this but I feel like Monte would not be a proponent of the pause drill. He mentioned to my group at one of his clinics how he believes Hideki hates his own pause at the top and that slow/smooth swings are a killer. Not trying to be Monte here but I find that my hand/arm overrun is always creeping into my swing. The pause drill is alluring but it always gives me "pause" that I could be travelling down a dangerous path there. 

Edited January 7 by vandyfan

[RayPlan]

6 minutes ago, vandyfan said:

 

***Disclaimer*** these thoughts are my own and not Monte's 

 

I always wonder if the pause drill is good for this but I feel like Monte would not be a proponent of the pause drill. He mentioned to my group at one of his clinics how he believes Hideki hates his own pause at the top and that slow/smooth swings are a killer. Not trying to be Monte here but I find that my hand/arm overrun is always creeping into my swing. The pause drill is alluring but it always gives me "pause" that I could be travelling down a dangerous path there. 

Maybe more of a California roll at the top, rather than a complete stop

[Rbsiedsc]

11 minutes ago, vandyfan said:

 

***Disclaimer*** these thoughts are my own and not Monte's 

 

I always wonder if the pause drill is good for this but I feel like Monte would not be a proponent of the pause drill. He mentioned to my group at one of his clinics how he believes Hideki hates his own pause at the top and that slow/smooth swings are a killer. Not trying to be Monte here but I find that my hand/arm overrun is always creeping into my swing. The pause drill is alluring but it always gives me "pause" that I could be travelling down a dangerous path there. 

I will say it feels like I have forever. When I watch the tape I am not stopped at the top. Feel is not real 🙂 

[Nels55]

2 hours ago, RayPlan said:

Maybe more of a California roll at the top, rather than a complete stop

California rolls with some wasabi!  Doesn't get much better than that!

[MK7Golf21]

On 1/7/2025 at 3:22 PM, vandyfan said:

 

***Disclaimer*** these thoughts are my own and not Monte's 

 

I always wonder if the pause drill is good for this but I feel like Monte would not be a proponent of the pause drill. He mentioned to my group at one of his clinics how he believes Hideki hates his own pause at the top and that slow/smooth swings are a killer. Not trying to be Monte here but I find that my hand/arm overrun is always creeping into my swing. The pause drill is alluring but it always gives me "pause" that I could be travelling down a dangerous path there. 

 

pause drill will most def. help with arm overrun, one of the best drills to stop it imo. Feeling half backswing I don't like as much. 

[TheDeanAbides]

43 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

pause drill will most def. help with arm overrun, one of the best drills to stop it imo. Feeling half backswing I don't like as much. 

I respectfully disagree. Feeling how to manage the length of your backswing at full speed exactly how a swing should be made is much better for long-term change. It's a complete rewire. The pause drill has its place, but there's a danger that the player will try and incorporate it into their swing and mess with their sequencing. 

[Jeselnik]

1 hour ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

pause drill will most def. help with arm overrun, one of the best drills to stop it imo. Feeling half backswing I don't like as much. 

 

23 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

I respectfully disagree. Feeling how to manage the length of your backswing at full speed exactly how a swing should be made is much better for long-term change. It's a complete rewire. The pause drill has its place, but there's a danger that the player will try and incorporate it into their swing and mess with their sequencing. 

I am addressing the Pause as a viable swing method not the drill, the quotes are not relevant.<edit>

IDK, I have a lot of moves and there is something of value to the pause.  It may be that it reduces effect of BS errors by giving a little more time to prepare for downstroke path and release or time for people that don’t plan ahead.  Follow results, life is too short to argue with them. 
 

JNIK

Edited January 10 by Jeselnik

[RayPlan]

So I think I've been doing the left wrist flexion (bowing) incorrectly as part of Cast A. When reviewing video, I noticed that it looked like my left wrist was bowed, because it was bent downward, but my clubface was open. I had been rotating my right forearm clockwise to get to that position, because I was focused on my left wrist, which I think had the deceiving appearance of being bowed.

 

So I reviewed the Cast A videos again, and I think I settled on the correct movement, but I wanted to see what others thought.

 

When doing this properly, is it correct that my left wrist should flex while my right wrist extends? This twists the grip and squares up the face when I do it. This looks more like what Monte shows, though it's kind of hard to see in the Cast A instruction video because the clock graphic blocks the view of the clubface on the DTL view.

Edited January 10 by RayPlan