TENSEI Pro White 1K

[Valtiel]

Just now, phizzy30 said:

Are you trying to outnerd me???

[ob1soccer]

how does the 1K pro white compare to any of the blue line?

Hit the AV Blue today high, right and spinny. Any suggestions

[OutPerform]

Is this a shaft that stiffens notably when tipped? I’ve got a 60s at 45.5” and it feels a tad soft. Thinking about tipping it 0.5” but not sure if it has any meaningful impact. Swinging around 105mph at the moment. Can get to 110 when on a good day when sequencing well.

 

I’ve got the old pro white 70s tipped 0.75” in a 3 wood and it feels great, yet notably stiffer. Probably due to lower torque of the heavier versions.

[hagimihale]

@OutPerform, the EI profile of the 1K suggests that the tip is pretty linear and even.  Others with more experience may chime in, but it looks like tipping 1/2" would make it slightly stiffer, but not significantly so.

 

Torque values are not the only variable with regards to feel and stiffness, but I do see that the tip and butt torque on the Pro White 70S are much lower than the 1K 60S.   

 

My swing speed is around 101, and once I'm warmed up I can get to 105 if I step on it.  I've hit Pro White, Pro White 1K and Pro Orange.  For all three I was between S and X, and if I was stepping on it the S felt a bit soft.  My guess is you're better off in 1K 60X.  

[hagimihale]

On 7/12/2022 at 10:10 PM, ob1soccer said:

how does the 1K pro white compare to any of the blue line?   Hit the AV Blue today high, right and spinny. Any suggestions

 

1K white is a very different profile than the blue.  Blue has a soft mid and meant for lower swing speeds, or golfers with a very smooth swing and like (or need) a little kick through impact.  White has a stiff mid and is meant for higher swing speeds and/or aggressive transitions, where the mid will help keep the shaft feeling stable.

 

Right/spinny shots are often a product of impact position on the face (low heel shots).  Note that the root cause of this can be a shaft that is longer than optimal for you.  Most off-the-rack shafts are too long for the average golfer.  I try to put some impact tape on the driver when demoing it.  If I'm seeing heel shots, I set up with the ball 1/2" to 1" towards the toe. I find this pulls the impact position closer to center-face, giving me a truer result with that shaft.  

[OutPerform]

3 hours ago, hagimihale said:

@OutPerform, the EI profile of the 1K suggests that the tip is pretty linear and even.  Others with more experience may chime in, but it looks like tipping 1/2" would make it slightly stiffer, but not significantly so.

 

Torque values are not the only variable with regards to feel and stiffness, but I do see that the tip and butt torque on the Pro White 70S are much lower than the 1K 60S.   

 

My swing speed is around 101, and once I'm warmed up I can get to 105 if I step on it.  I've hit Pro White, Pro White 1K and Pro Orange.  For all three I was between S and X, and if I was stepping on it the S felt a bit soft.  My guess is you're better off in 1K 60X.  

Thanks for the input. I’m moving softer since my swing speed is down a bit. Clearly loosing less balls to the right now. Feels great. I dont have to go all out to feel the shaft. The driver could be a tad firmer though. Coming from Taylormade stock rogue silver 110 60X and 70X. Especially the 70X in 3W is too much right now.

[phizzy30]

9 hours ago, OutPerform said:

Is this a shaft that stiffens notably when tipped? I’ve got a 60s at 45.5” and it feels a tad soft. Thinking about tipping it 0.5” but not sure if it has any meaningful impact. Swinging around 105mph at the moment. Can get to 110 when on a good day when sequencing well.

 

I’ve got the old pro white 70s tipped 0.75” in a 3 wood and it feels great, yet notably stiffer. Probably due to lower torque of the heavier versions.

Tipping the 1K half inch will stiffen it up slightly.  It feels significantly stiffer once you tip an inch IMO. 

[ktyler2]

Couple questions for the group... I'm in an OG Pro White 60TX right now and want to try the 1K. Since there isn't an X-Flex in the OG and there is in the 1K can anyone shed light on overall stiffness relativity? I don't feel like my OG 60TX is too stiff but I'm not sure if the 1K 60TX is the same or stiffer. For reference (not that it's really all the helpful), I swing 110-113MPH with a moderate transition. Came to the OG Pro White from the D+ LTD and love the slightly softer handle of the Pro White. 

 

Also... any dealers that have these new/uncut at a discount from retail please message me! Otherwise I'm going to grab one from a dealer on eBay. 

 

Thanks!

[phizzy30]

On 7/31/2022 at 8:54 AM, ktyler2 said:

Couple questions for the group... I'm in an OG Pro White 60TX right now and want to try the 1K. Since there isn't an X-Flex in the OG and there is in the 1K can anyone shed light on overall stiffness relativity? I don't feel like my OG 60TX is too stiff but I'm not sure if the 1K 60TX is the same or stiffer. For reference (not that it's really all the helpful), I swing 110-113MPH with a moderate transition. Came to the OG Pro White from the D+ LTD and love the slightly softer handle of the Pro White. 

 

Also... any dealers that have these new/uncut at a discount from retail please message me! Otherwise I'm going to grab one from a dealer on eBay. 

 

Thanks!

I felt like the OG Pro White was actually slightly stiffer overall compared to the 1K.  You should easily be able to load a 1K 60TX.  You may even need to tip it a bit.  The 1K will have a lot more feel compared to the OG Pro White IMO while hitting that low/low window. 

Edited August 1, 2022 by phizzy30

[ignitewvu]

21 hours ago, phizzy30 said:

I felt like the OG Pro White was actually slightly stiffer overall compared to the 1K.  You should b easily be able to load a 1K 60TX.  You may even need to tip it a bit.  The 1K will have a lot more feel compared to the OG Pro White IMO while hitting that low/low window. 

 

I agree the OG Pro White Kevlar was definitely more stout but the 1K feels lightyears better & for most plays better.

[ob1soccer]

how does the Pro white and Ik compare to the AV raw white. I tried the AV Raw Blue and that definitely was not for me, tried the AV raw white and saw high push spinny balls all day. I realize the AV raw is a few years old but wondering if the new ones are an improvement

[Shortgamemagic]

On 7/31/2022 at 11:54 AM, ktyler2 said:

Couple questions for the group... I'm in an OG Pro White 60TX right now and want to try the 1K. Since there isn't an X-Flex in the OG and there is in the 1K can anyone shed light on overall stiffness relativity? I don't feel like my OG 60TX is too stiff but I'm not sure if the 1K 60TX is the same or stiffer. For reference (not that it's really all the helpful), I swing 110-113MPH with a moderate transition. Came to the OG Pro White from the D+ LTD and love the slightly softer handle of the Pro White. 

 

Also... any dealers that have these new/uncut at a discount from retail please message me! Otherwise I'm going to grab one from a dealer on eBay. 

 

Thanks!

I tried the 1K in x and felt a little loose so moved to TX and it’s perfect. Both tipped an inch. Love the og whiteboard and the ventus black 6x feel. VB tx was too stiff for me as was the PD x Not even tx

[Shortgamemagic]

1 hour ago, ob1soccer said:

how does the Pro white and Ik compare to the AV raw white. I tried the AV Raw Blue and that definitely was not for me, tried the AV raw white and saw high push spinny balls all day. I realize the AV raw is a few years old but wondering if the new ones are an improvement

Pretty sure the 1K has far more superior materials than the AV 

[ktyler2]

1 minute ago, Shortgamemagic said:

I tried the 1K in x and felt a little loose so moved to TX and it’s perfect. Both tipped an inch. Love the og whiteboard and the ventus black 6x feel. VB tx was too stiff for me as was the PD x Not even tx

Thanks for the input. Did you ever try the original Pro White or the D+ LTD? And what’s your swing speed and tempo like?

[phizzy30]

1 hour ago, ob1soccer said:

how does the Pro white and Ik compare to the AV raw white. I tried the AV Raw Blue and that definitely was not for me, tried the AV raw white and saw high push spinny balls all day. I realize the AV raw is a few years old but wondering if the new ones are an improvement

AV Raw White did nothing but produce hooks for me.  It feels dead to me as well.  Pro White and 1K is far superior in every way shape and form IMO.  I haven't tested the new ones but I'm pretty sure they feel a lot better since they have the Xlink tech in it. 

[ob1soccer]

25 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

AV Raw White did nothing but produce hooks for me.  It feels dead to me as well.  Pro White and 1K is far superior in every way shape and form IMO.  I haven't tested the new ones but I'm pretty sure they feel a lot better since they have the Xlink tech in it. 

AV raw white and Blue are not working for me at all, definitely need an upgrade. Next on the list is 

AV White 22' with Xlink

AV Blue 22' with Xlink

Kaali Blue

Diamana TB

Diamana ZF

or maybe I just suck

[phizzy30]

Just now, ob1soccer said:

AV raw white and Blue are not working for me at all, definitely need an upgrade. Next on the list is 

AV White 22' with Xlink

AV Blue 22' with Xlink

Kaali Blue

Diamana TB

Diamana ZF

or maybe I just suck

You're definitely not getting along with the AV raw white if what you see are high right and spinny like you stated.  Do you want something that feels softer?  Smoother?   

[Shortgamemagic]

1 hour ago, ktyler2 said:

Thanks for the input. Did you ever try the original Pro White or the D+ LTD? And what’s your swing speed and tempo like?

I didn’t like the PO in driver but loved it in a three wood. I’m about 110 really quick tempo (too quick usually ha)

[ob1soccer]

11 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

You're definitely not getting along with the AV raw white if what you see are high right and spinny like you stated.  Do you want something that feels softer?  Smoother?   

yes definitely.

Swing speed is 101, spinning the white at 2700 and up at plus 2.5, 271 total. Oban tour limited Blue was my last Driver shaft but was all carry and no roll. Modus 105s in my irons and love them, any suggestions would be great ,thanks

[phizzy30]

Just now, ob1soccer said:

yes definitely.

Swing speed is 101, spinning the white at 2700 and up at plus 2.5, 271 total. Oban tour limited Blue was my last Driver shaft but was all carry and no roll. Modus 105s in my irons and love them, any suggestions would be great ,thanks

Honestly, out of all the shafts you listed, I would recommend either the TB but heavily tipped to keep spin down or a ZF straight in to tipped half inch.  Both shafts respond to a smoother swing quite well but the TB will launch a little higher than the ZF.  They are both remarkably smooth as well and have a subtle kick at the bottom. 

[ob1soccer]

1 hour ago, phizzy30 said:

Honestly, out of all the shafts you listed, I would recommend either the TB but heavily tipped to keep spin down or a ZF straight in to tipped half inch.  Both shafts respond to a smoother swing quite well but the TB will launch a little higher than the ZF.  They are both remarkably smooth as well and have a subtle kick at the bottom. 

Ok thanks alot, I will put those on the list to try out. I definitely have a smooth swing so hopefully they work out. Do u recommend anything else to demo? I hit the Ventus and didnt like any of the profiles. Do u like the hzrdus stuff

[Avidswampthing66]

On 8/2/2022 at 11:42 AM, ob1soccer said:

yes definitely.

Swing speed is 101, spinning the white at 2700 and up at plus 2.5, 271 total. Oban tour limited Blue was my last Driver shaft but was all carry and no roll. Modus 105s in my irons and love them, any suggestions would be great ,thanks

Hey there we have similar numbers and I also play and love the Modus 105S.  Smooth swinger here.

 

My current set up is a Tensei 1K white 60s playing length of 45.75.

This is hands down the smoothest low spin shaft I’ve tested.  I’ve played VB and Black as well as the AV white, Hzrdus Green and AD-XC.  1k is a very forgiving shaft and for being a low low shaft there is a good amount of feel.  There is a small kick that I mostly feel in the handle on the downswing.  It’s a shaft I can be very aggressive with or shape shots.  The feel and dispersion is much much better with 1K than AV White.  I found the AV to be really loose.  I def want to try ZF or the new GT to compare.  Also interested in the new TR Red which has been getting some good buzz because of its low spin performance

Edited August 28, 2022 by Avidswampthing66

[Insidious2]

For those playing the 1K White in driver (im playing 65X), what do you like in 3wood? I'd like to have the same feel but more appropriate launch height

[Mobert19]

40 minutes ago, GoTime said:

For those playing the 1K White in driver (im playing 65X), what do you like in 3wood? I'd like to have the same feel but more appropriate launch height

Playing the CK Pro White 70S. Play the 1k 70S in driver 

[Judge Smails]

39 minutes ago, GoTime said:

For those playing the 1K White in driver (im playing 65X), what do you like in 3wood? I'd like to have the same feel but more appropriate launch height

Just one man's opinion, but I have been playing the 70x in my driver and a Graphite Design TP 8x in my 3 wood.  Great combo for me.

[phizzy30]

50 minutes ago, GoTime said:

For those playing the 1K White in driver (im playing 65X), what do you like in 3wood? I'd like to have the same feel but more appropriate launch height

I have the ZF 80TX in 3 metal but I have a Kai'li Blue 80TX coming next week. 

[Avidswampthing66]

@GoTime

TR Blue 7s in my 3 wood has been nothing short of amazing.  Much better for me than og blue.  Going from 1K in driver to TR in 3 wood feels seamless.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Avidswampthing66

[TeeTee]

On 4/21/2022 at 11:14 PM, Tommyboi95 said:

Bad news boys, TZ5 showed up yesterday…. Was snapped right in half. Thanks a lot UPS 😐😐😐

 

Haven’t forgotten you boys just going to have to be a bit longer before the test will be side by side. 

 

 

You are not the only one... they snapped a brand new Ventus black with a footprint on the middle of the box and then refused the damage claim.   Insurance is no good if they are going to deny... sad part is that it was even their wrong doing.   I will never use UPS again as this was the 3rd time happening....  3rd strike

Edited October 8, 2022 by TeeTee

[jjmurry]

Been scouring this thread over and over a few times; the inner shaft ho in me coming out. I currently play the TR Blue 6X and like the way it feels and launches but I'm noticing it turns over just slightly too much for my liking. I've not tried the 1K white and am seeing various reports of people gaining significant ball speed with this shaft compared to others. For those who play it, do you notice that's the case? Differences between X and TX appear significant in feel regards. I'm looking for a similar launch to the TR Blue but with a little more protection from an over hook - I like to play a tiny draw and don't like working the ball much so to have something that's more point and shoot would be wonderful. I'm also considering the 6X version of the Kai'li white as it appears to be a bit stouter than the TR Blue as well, but really am drawn to the 1K White. I liked the 1K Orange but just didn't get much out of the shaft from a ball speed standpoint.

Edited May 3, 2023 by jjmurry

[phizzy30]

Just now, jjmurry said:

Been scouring this thread over and over a few times; the inner shaft ho in me coming out. I currently play the TR Blue 6X and like the way it feels and launches but I'm noticing it turns over just slightly too much for my liking. I've not tried the 1K white and am seeing various reports of people gaining significant ball speed with this shaft compared to others. For those who play it, do you notice that's the case? Differences between X and TX appear significant in feel regards. I'm looking for a similar launch to the TR Blue but with a little more protection from an over hook - I like to play a tiny draw and don't like working the ball much so to have something that's more point and shoot would be wonderful. I'm also considering the 6X version of the Kai'li white as it appears to be a bit stouter than the TR Blue as well, but really am drawn to the 1K White. I liked the 1K Orange but just didn't get much out of the shaft from a ball speed standpoint.

1K PW is by far the fastest modern shaft I've gamed.  2-4 mph increase.  It's pretty stable but but not as much as the Ventus Black or Diamana PD, IMO.  In all my testing shafts over many years, I've found that you can't have it all for the most part.  Yes, there is that magic bullet shaft out there for some but it's few and far in between.