Dynamic Gold Shaft Drawing PDF - New TT website link gone.

[Skipperation]

True Temper/Dynamic Gold seem to have overhauled their website and no longer have the link (that I can see) to download the pdf of the diagrams/drawings of the Dynamic Gold shafts showing all of the measurement tip to step, step length etc for the different flexes.

 

Has anyone previously saved the file and would be kind enough to upload it here or screenshot it so I/others who may find it useful can download it?  

 

It was a really useful little file that I took for granted that I would always be able to download it from their website!

 

Cheers

[geochitown]

Is this the one you are referring to?

 

 

Edited June 21, 2021 by geochitown

[Skipperation]

Yes, Thanks!!

[Poolparty]

Is something going on at TT? Feels like the site has been down for months

[ruxpin23]

anyone have this for the AMT shafts?  been looking for that diagram for awhile

[TrueTemper]

Glad Geo was able to help you out.  We have a new website but are still in the process of adding some features. Appreciate your patience.

DB

[geochitown]

I’ll come back to this later tonite

 

believe I have the AMT drawing as well

Might be pre-color versions of AMT

 

 

[BirdieBob]

15 hours ago, ruxpin23 said:

anyone have this for the AMT shafts?  been looking for that diagram for awhile

 

AMT White........

 

 

 

 

[ruxpin23]

1 minute ago, BirdieBob said:

 

AMT White........

 

 

 

 

awesome, thank you!!

[geochitown]

Nice on having the latest revision on the White!

 

I found I have the Black and Red as well.

 

AMT Black

 

AMT_Black_Drawing.pdf

 

AMT Red

AMT_Red_Drawing.pdf

 

DG AMT (X100, S300), pre White/Black/Red

 

DG-AMT-WEB-DWG.pdf

 

 

DG AMT Models (Tour Issue and Non-Tour Issue) X100, S400 and S300

 

Weight progression info

 

SpecSheet-DG AMT Models.pdf

 

 

[SteveNZ]

Does anyone happen to have the diagram PDF for Dynalite Golds from the early 2000s?

 

Thanks in advance!

[Howard_Jones]

1 hour ago, SteveNZ said:

Does anyone happen to have the diagram PDF for Dynalite Golds from the early 2000s?

 

Thanks in advance!

New and Old version 2009
Old version was 2.0" inch shorter (butt), last production year was 2009
(Se product code without the L who means "Long version")
Step patterns and tip length is the same- 
So is "grams pr inch" (same net cut weight in play)




SORRY, I REPLIED BEFORE MY FIRST CUP OF COFFEE, YOU ARE ASKING FOR DYNALITE, NOT DYNAMIC......COMING UP, JUS NEED MY COFFEE FIRST 🙂

Edited October 26, 2021 by Howard_Jones

[Howard_Jones]

DynaLITE "old version" (1999)




DynaLITE "new" version 2006


Length difference is only 0.5" who seems to be added to the TIP on the new version???
The issue here is the lack of shaft ID, and weight specs seems unchanged???

No step pattern drawings available for DynaLITE Gold Taper...only for parallels who most often is different from the taper version.

Here is PARALLEL True Temper shafts, but no drawings.
 

Edited October 26, 2021 by Howard_Jones

[SteveNZ]

@Howard_Jones Thank you so much - looks like you know your way round the Way-back machine too!

 

I definitely have Dynalite Golds - it's screen-printed on the shaft just below the first step 🙂. I got them from a friend who says they are S400s. But here's where I get confused...

 

The tip-to-first step distance on the longest shaft (37.5 inches from tip to edge of grip at butt - that's just pure shaft length, not fitted in a clubhead) which as far as I'm aware came out of a 3 iron, is 14 inches. Which seems in the S flex neighbourhood. But the weight of this shaft, with a Lamkin Crossline Cord Royal Grip is 163g - which would put the shaft at 113g or thereabouts, surely more like an R flex, right? 

 

Problem is, there's no real way of knowing what's been done to these shafts in their previous life. I mean I could pull a grip off and check the code (if it's even there), but the grip is virtually brand new so a bit loathe to do that!

 

I'm by no means an expert here but it seems like the measurements don't match up. I like the weight of these things, just trying to figure out the flex. Any thoughts? (at least as much as you can offer relating to shafts you've never seen let alone held haha).

[SteveNZ]

But look what I found from 2006...

 

 

[Howard_Jones]

30 minutes ago, SteveNZ said:

But look what I found from 2006...

 

 

Nice, im saving that one in my archive.
To be able to identify the shaft, we can GRAMs pr INCH, since step pattern is the same, only tip length is different.

NET Cut length / weight = grams pr inch.

[SteveNZ]

@Howard_Jones and others - you might find this useful:

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20060311224108/http://www.truetemper.com/golf/identify.asp

 

Still trying to figure out what I have, but leaning towards S-flex Dynalite Golds that have been soft-stepped at least once...

[SteveNZ]

@Howard_Jones - apologies for a noob question, but the Dynalite Gold lengths of 41.5"-36.5" (1999) and 42"-37" (2006) in the website screenshots you posted above - do they - for all intents and purposes - cover 2-PW? Or is 41.5/42 a 1-iron length? 

 

Trying to figure out why the longest Dynalite Gold in my set (which I'm pretty sure now are an S-flex - the butt on the one shaft I have without a grip is 0.600) is 14" from tip to first step, but that distance does not show up in the table of the step pattern drawing I posted earlier (only goes to 13.5"). 

 

Maybe I do need to pull a grip off and check the ditance frm the butt to the 2.5 step...

 

 

[Howard_Jones]

3 minutes ago, SteveNZ said:

@Howard_Jones - apologies for a noob question, but the Dynalite Gold lengths of 41.5"-36.5" (1999) and 42"-37" (2006) in the website screenshots you posted above - do they - for all intents and purposes - cover 2-PW? Or is 41.5/42 a 1-iron length? 

 

Trying to figure out why the longest Dynalite Gold in my set (which I'm pretty sure now are an S-flex - the butt on the one shaft I have without a grip is 0.600) is 14" from tip to first step, but that distance does not show up in the table of the step pattern drawing I posted earlier (only goes to 13.5"). 

 

Maybe I do need to pull a grip off and check the ditance frm the butt to the 2.5 step...

 

 

As you can see, im putting a ??? behind and say we DONT get to know what shaft ID this is, so for all i know it could have been 2-PW (old) and 1-PW as "new", and the new version have 0.5 longer BUTT section who i find more natural, but in lack of shaft ID i cant say for sure, and im way to rusty in my memory to recall what shaft IDs the Dynalite Gold has to offer (2-PW or 1-PW).

[SteveNZ]

9 minutes ago, Howard_Jones said:

As you can see, im putting a ??? behind and say we DONT get to know what shaft ID this is, so for all i know it could have been 2-PW (old) and 1-PW as "new", and the new version have 0.5 longer BUTT section who i find more natural, but in lack of shaft ID i cant say for sure, and im way to rusty in my memory to recall what shaft IDs the Dynalite Gold has to offer (2-PW or 1-PW).

Thanks - still good info, even if I'm not giving you much to work with! Thanks for responding.

[Howard_Jones]

47 minutes ago, SteveNZ said:

Thanks - still good info, even if I'm not giving you much to work with! Thanks for responding.

Old vs new (X flex)

42.00" -12.50" tip must be a #1 iron (new version)
41.50" - 12" tip must have been a #2 iron (longest Old version)
41.00 - 11.50" is then a #3 iron

ONLY that can explain the unchanged weight
...... so to me it seems like the difference from old to new is that the #1 and Wedges shorter than PW was discontinued for the new version, meaning no actual changes was done to the shaft itself from old to new.

@TrueTemper is this correct?

EDIT...this is a big mess...
The specs i have posted for NEW version has 42.00" as the longest and since #0 is no option, 42.00 must have been #1 and with a 12.5 long tip.

X- Flex
#1 - 42.00" - 12.50"
#2 - 41.50" - 12.00"

#3 - 41.00" - 11.50"
#4 - 40.50" - 11.00"
#5 - 40.00" - 10.50"
#6 - 39.50" - 10.00"
#7 - 39.00" -  9.50"
#8 - 38.50" - 9.00"
#9 - 38.00" - 8.50"
#P -  37.50" - 8.00"
W1 - 37.00" - 7.50"
W2 - 36.50" - 7.00"

Its the only reasonable explanation for WEIGHT unchanged.

Edited October 27, 2021 by Howard_Jones

[SteveNZ]

OK, so mystery (partially solved). I pulled the grip off the longest shaft of these Dynalite Gold pulls that I have. Code on shaft is LGISL400 which matches to an S400 for the time they appeared on the website - up until 2002 by the look of it.

 

Butt dia. is definitely .600. Length stamped on shaft is 41.50 and distance from first step to tip is 14". Shaft weight is 111g (10g lighter than specified for an S400 on olds versions of the website). Actual length of shaft is 37.50 and fitted into a head is essentially the same length as other "factory-built" 3-irons from other manufacturers that I have.

 

Butt section is very short at 5.75" - 4" shorter that the length specified for an S flex in the Dynalite Gold step pattern drawings - and obviously accounts for the difference between the length stamped on the shaft and the cut length.

 

So does this mean that these shafts have previously been soft-stepped once and then some extra length taken off the butt? And if so, how will these play flex-wise?

 

Apologies if this makes no sense - it's late here and I'm a bit confused...

[Howard_Jones]

6 hours ago, SteveNZ said:

OK, so mystery (partially solved). I pulled the grip off the longest shaft of these Dynalite Gold pulls that I have. Code on shaft is LGISL400 which matches to an S400 for the time they appeared on the website - up until 2002 by the look of it.

 

Butt dia. is definitely .600. Length stamped on shaft is 41.50 and distance from first step to tip is 14". Shaft weight is 111g (10g lighter than specified for an S400 on olds versions of the website). Actual length of shaft is 37.50 and fitted into a head is essentially the same length as other "factory-built" 3-irons from other manufacturers that I have.

 

Butt section is very short at 5.75" - 4" shorter that the length specified for an S flex in the Dynalite Gold step pattern drawings - and obviously accounts for the difference between the length stamped on the shaft and the cut length.

 

So does this mean that these shafts have previously been soft-stepped once and then some extra length taken off the butt? And if so, how will these play flex-wise?

 

Apologies if this makes no sense - it's late here and I'm a bit confused...

41.50" makes it a #2 iron shaft and 14" means S flex.
If that shaft was your #3 iron, its Soft stepped once. (+/- 4 CPM softer)

DynaLITE Gold S400 had a uncut wgt of 121 grams / 41.50 = 2.91 grams pr inch
Yours is 111 / 37.50" = 2.96 grams pr inch
2.96 x 41.50" = 122.8 grams uncut start wgt
Tolerance is plus minus 1.5 grams, and your info dont have decimals, so i expect it to be within tolerances, and simply a DL S400 to the higher end, but within tolerances.

Flex?...DynaLITE Gold has a flex slope of 5.50 CPM from club to club, and the #6 iron is FCM 5.4 as S300. For each gram of shaft weight, we can ADD 0.1, and yours is to the heavy end of S400 = FCM 5.6 MINUS about 4 if its SS1 = FCM 5.2.
I would have to measure the actual shaft for a more precise "label" than that.


 

[SteveNZ]

16 hours ago, Howard_Jones said:

41.50" makes it a #2 iron shaft and 14" means S flex.
If that shaft was your #3 iron, its Soft stepped once. (+/- 4 CPM softer)

DynaLITE Gold S400 had a uncut wgt of 121 grams / 41.50 = 2.91 grams pr inch
Yours is 111 / 37.50" = 2.96 grams pr inch
2.96 x 41.50" = 122.8 grams uncut start wgt
Tolerance is plus minus 1.5 grams, and your info dont have decimals, so i expect it to be within tolerances, and simply a DL S400 to the higher end, but within tolerances.

Flex?...DynaLITE Gold has a flex slope of 5.50 CPM from club to club, and the #6 iron is FCM 5.4 as S300. For each gram of shaft weight, we can ADD 0.1, and yours is to the heavy end of S400 = FCM 5.6 MINUS about 4 if its SS1 = FCM 5.2.
I would have to measure the actual shaft for a more precise "label" than that.


 

That's precise enough for me. I've gone from thinking that an S400 in a Dynalite Gold wasn't for me to it being something I can actually use. Thanks so much for your knowledge - and your patience!

[SteveNZ]

On 10/29/2021 at 4:57 AM, Howard_Jones said:

41.50" makes it a #2 iron shaft and 14" means S flex.
If that shaft was your #3 iron, its Soft stepped once. (+/- 4 CPM softer)

DynaLITE Gold S400 had a uncut wgt of 121 grams / 41.50 = 2.91 grams pr inch
Yours is 111 / 37.50" = 2.96 grams pr inch
2.96 x 41.50" = 122.8 grams uncut start wgt
Tolerance is plus minus 1.5 grams, and your info dont have decimals, so i expect it to be within tolerances, and simply a DL S400 to the higher end, but within tolerances.

Flex?...DynaLITE Gold has a flex slope of 5.50 CPM from club to club, and the #6 iron is FCM 5.4 as S300. For each gram of shaft weight, we can ADD 0.1, and yours is to the heavy end of S400 = FCM 5.6 MINUS about 4 if its SS1 = FCM 5.2.
I would have to measure the actual shaft for a more precise "label" than that.


 

Me again. So from your response above (allowing for the fact we're talking about completely different brands, shaft types etc) are you saying that the S400s that I have that you believe might have an FCM of 5.2, will actually play a little softer than some Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 5.5s that I have? 

 

Thanks in advance!

[Howard_Jones]

3 hours ago, SteveNZ said:

Me again. So from your response above (allowing for the fact we're talking about completely different brands, shaft types etc) are you saying that the S400s that I have that you believe might have an FCM of 5.2, will actually play a little softer than some Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 5.5s that I have? 

 

Thanks in advance!

DO NOT try to compare different shaft models by using the FCM system
ONLY RIFLE FCM and KBS has shafts designed to fit that flex system with a flex slope of 8.6 CPM pr inch. Since we ONLY have to measure the butt side to compare 2 different RIFLEs or 2 different KBS shafts, this system is NOT compatible to judge other shafts with, since ALL shaft models has a flex slope of their own.

From a CLUB FITTING point of view where we use the #6 iron as "fitting club", WE MIGHT use the FCM system for navigation, NOTHING ELSE...

Its in THIS context, using butt CPM for the #6 iron that makes DynaLITE S300 to be FCM 5.4

but since its natural slope is 5.50 CPM both ways, THE FULL SET "looks alike a mess" when we compare it to the FCM chart. Since the #6 iron is what we compare it to, a "standard" DynaLITE actually looks like this. (5.5 CPM vs 4.3 makes a progression of 1.2 both ways)

#9 = FCM 5.76
#8 = FCM 5.64
#7 = FCM 5.52
#6 = FCM 5.40
#5 = FCM 5.28

#4 = FCM 5.16
#3 = FCM 5.04

Rounded numbers say FCM 5.0 to 5.8....pick one as you like

I hope you are able to see why we CANT compare other models to the FCM system? they "want fit in, and was not designed to fit in".

We can use it to find BUTT CPM for the #6 iron, the rest is a question of that models natural flex progression rate, and NO Constant weight shaft is down at 4.3 CPM (due to progressive thicker shaft walls in Constant wgt iron shafts, flex progression is always above 5.0 CPM from club to club.

THIS CHART is sorted by FCM value for the #6 iron.



The same chart, now sorted by CPM progression
As you can see, SOME models is "close" to the FCM slope of 4.3, but they are ALL Descending wgt shafts.



The PRACTICAL USE for the FCM system is LIMITED to the #6 iron for starting point, and when we have found the right shaft, and its FCM value for the #6 iron, we can also use the system to find a starting point for WOODS, now using the FCM system like it was meant to be used (8.6 CPM pr inch) like this chart. (Irons and woods will have the same FCM value in this system)


 
So, only you can judge if the shafts you play is too strong or to soft, but DONT let the FCM value be your map and compass, thats reversing the timeline. We have to find what feels right first, THEN we can look at values and navigate, not the other way around.

PS! the OLD and original FCM system had a slope of 4.3 pr club / 8.6 CPM pr inch, using a 2.5" long shaft clamp. The NEW system my charts is based on is using a 5.0 clamp, and a progression of 4.25 pr club / 8.50 pr inch
 

Edited November 24, 2021 by Howard_Jones