Bushnell Launch Pro Device with Foresight

[Stosheu]

2 hours ago, WallysWorld said:

For those that will not be getting a BLP/GC3, what will you get? I'm interested to hear what people will going with. 

 Mevo + for me unless the pricing is a surprise. I'm going to demo one in my setup to make sure I'm getting solid numbers. For me, it provides the greatest value with included courses and skills app. Plus I like awesome golf for me and the family for $350 lifetime fee. So  $2350 lifetime for software, some e6 courses, and a suite of skills stuff. Might even be able to get a $200 off coupon, which just sweetens the pot. At that price, I'm good using it until a more affordable option comes along with camera. 

 

I'd prefer camera but I have enough room to make a radar work, its just a bit more hassle. I considered skytrak but it's more expensive for software plus the user sub. Plus I'm not thrilled with purchasing a unit at what seems to be the end of its product cycle for full price. 

[WallysWorld]

6 minutes ago, Stosheu said:

 

Yeah, that's another cost I'd like to avoid or minimize. I don't care too much about graphics quality. I'm cool with Mario aesthetics if it runs clean. Looks like I'd need a decent gaming computer to run FSX.

I believe the BLP with the FSX Live software can be run with a tablet (that's how they ran it in the video). I've never seen anyone running their sim with a tablet so you may be able to run it with a very low cost gaming pc but it's something to consider before purchasing. 

 

If you are trying to avoid it all together. Sounds like the Garmin R10, Mevo + or ST would be your best options. 

[WallysWorld]

Your reasons makes a lot of sense. Just make sure you eliminate interference around your area and you should be good to go. 

[cwilk]

1 hour ago, J Wheazy said:

Calm down Bryson.... there's no need to get on someone's club head speeds.  At the end of the day the game is about scoring well and hitting good shots from bad spots, its not about club head speed.  You can suck at golf and swing a club really fast and vice versa. 

He's been disrespectful to numerous people here in this thread so I had enough and fired back with some sarcasm.  Oh well.  

[cwilk]

Like @WallysWorld has experienced, the lower quality launch monitors can do more bad than good.  I don't expect that to be the case with the Launch Pro/GC3, but who knows.  I do think Foresight has a tendency to over read ball speed and carry distances based on what I see on course when compared to Trackman, but that's the least important data for what I'd be looking at the monitor for (game improvement).  When it comes to ball speed and carry, all that should be used for IMO is for direct comparisons to other clubs on the same make/model monitor.  

 

This has been one of my biggest complaints about Foresight.  They have plenty of tour pros using their equipment.  Like Trackman, they should give us their tour averages collected by their monitors to use as a bench mark.  Nobody says you have to be a tour pro, but that data is still valuable when trying to improve the swing you have IMO.

Edited September 28, 2021 by cwilk

[Krt22]

9 minutes ago, cwilk said:

Like @WallysWorld has experienced, the lower quality launch monitors can do more bad than good.  I don't expect that to be the case with the Launch Pro/GC3, but who knows.  I do think Foresight has a tendency to over read ball speed and carry distances based on what I see on course when compared to Trackman, but that's the least important data for what I'd be looking at the monitor for (game improvement).  When it comes to ball speed and carry, all that should be used for IMO is for direct comparisons to other clubs on the same make/model monitor.  

 

This has been one of my biggest complaints about Foresight.  They have plenty of tour pros using their equipment.  Like Trackman, they should give us their tour averages collected by their monitors to use as a bench mark.  Nobody says you have to be a tour pro, but that data is still valuable when trying to improve the swing you have IMO.

The quad is spot on for ballspeed IMHO. I had a flightscope for years and ball speeds are nearly identical when I made the switch. Carry distance with low spin driver shots is a bit inflated, that is for sure and well known. With irons it's a non-issue, if anything it reads carry a hair low relative to TM. My stock 7i is basically identical to the published trackman tour average which the quad typically reads out a few yards shy of 172y carry.

[Thats two thus far Shooter]

1 hour ago, WallysWorld said:

GS Pro $200 yearly fee. Hands down better than E6 and TGC2019. 

 

https://gsprogolf.com

Wholly agree. But will you be able to use it with BL Pro?

[DinoSpumoni228]

3 hours ago, Stosheu said:

I'm holding out hope that they tier the annual subscription and that $800 is the top end. I'd take a long hard look if it's 3k and 200 a year for the same or slightly more data points as Mevo+ and a slimmed down access to FSX that's on the level of what you get with M+.

 

From a business standpoint, this would make sense to try and attract guys like me who are wading into this space. It would be more than the M+ but supposedly more accurate data along with some sim functionality and the ability to up sell me in the future if I get the use out of it. If they only have an $800 sub to start, it prices me out of it and it's no longer competing with M+/ST. 

 

Also, I hope the software doesn't take a gaming PC. I'm not that familiar with the FSX suite.

I think you are the perfect example of someone Bushnell needs to target with the release of this LM. I really hope they offer some different types of sim in a box packages with the Launch Pro just to simplify things for people.

 

I think there are a lot of people who are intimidated by technology/the potential set up, who would be willing to purchase a full sim set up (with only ball data) for $5k or 6k if it meant they would have everything they needed to start using their launch monitor the day they buy it without having to worry about computers, projectors, impact screens, etc.

 

I'd have to think Vista Outdoor can get some pretty good deals on impact screens as well seeing as I'm sure they have some segment of their business that deals with archery. 

 

Seems like a no brainer to make things as easy as possible for people who aren't in the know while also marking up a bunch of ancillary products to sell in a package.

 

Even if they sold the computer and projector at cost it would probably be worth it if they are going to use a subscription model for the software.

Edited September 28, 2021 by DinoSpumoni228

[Ilgolfer]

3 minutes ago, DinoSpumoni228 said:

I think you are the perfect example of someone Bushnell needs to target with the release of this LM. I really hope they offer some different types of sim in a box packages with the Launch Pro just to simplify things for people.

 

I think there are a lot of people who are intimidated by technology/the potential set up, who would be willing to purchase a full sim set up (with only ball data) for $5k or 6k if it meant they would have everything they needed to start using their launch monitor the day they buy it without having to worry about computers, projectors, impact screens, etc.

 

I'd have to think Vista Outdoor can get some pretty good deals on impact screens as well seeing as I'm sure they have some segment of their business that deals with archery. 

 

Seems like a no brainer to make things as easy as possible for people who aren't in the know while also marking up a bunch of ancillary products to sell in a package.

 

Even if they sold the computer and projector at cost it would probably be worth it if they are going to use a subscription model for the software.

I think this is a fascinating idea because I am in the same exact boat. The issue is, if the $800 per year for software is true, then it makes more sense to go with the GC3 over the launch pro if your timeframe for keeping your sim is greater than 5 years. Foresight will almost certainly offer a sim in a box option as they do for their current launch monitors. I totally agree with you that Bushnell has a really great opportunity here. I have done hours of research on screens, projectors, gaming computers, side mounted garage door motors, hitting mats, turf, launch monitors, etc. Having a one stop shop to grab all of that with something that seamlessly works together would be fantastic at the right price point. I am sure they have done their market research. The issue will become if the rumors are true $3,000 up front + $800 per year for software with less data for the BLP vs $7,000 up front all in for the GC3 is going to be a tough sell for Bushnell if that is truly the case. I wonder if Bushnell will offer any financing as Foresight currently looks like they do? I could stomach to finance the extra costs with the knowledge that after year 5 I will be doing better than break even on the costs. I will also be curious to see if both, one, or none are more open to outside software vs being very locked down on the FSX platform. There is a zero percent chance I am paying $500 per extra course I want to play when there is software out there that gives you tons of courses for way way less (TGC and GS Pro). Thursday will most likely be the day I finalize my simulator plans one way or the other. Just need Bushnell/Foresight to fill in the gaps.

[WallysWorld]

17 minutes ago, DinoSpumoni228 said:

I think you are the perfect example of someone Bushnell needs to target with the release of this LM. I really hope they offer some different types of sim in a box packages with the Launch Pro just to simplify things for people.

 

I think there are a lot of people who are intimidated by technology/the potential set up, who would be willing to purchase a full sim set up (with only ball data) for $5k or 6k if it meant they would have everything they needed to start using their launch monitor the day they buy it without having to worry about computers, projectors, impact screens, etc.

 

I'd have to think Vista Outdoor can get some pretty good deals on impact screens as well seeing as I'm sure they have some segment of their business that deals with archery. 

 

Seems like a no brainer to make things as easy as possible for people who aren't in the know while also marking up a bunch of ancillary products to sell in a package.

 

Even if they sold the computer and projector at cost it would probably be worth it if they are going to use a subscription model for the software.

Dino, Foresight has been doing SIM-In-A-Box for a very long time, same with 3rd party companies such as Par2Pro, Rain or Shine, etc etc. At one point the best deal you could get a foresight GCQuad was at Costco! 

 

Most of these deals though are more expensive. This is such a niche market that and I keep harping at this because 80% of revenues from Vista Outdoors is ammo/guns sales not golf. 

 

I really would not hold my breath for a company to provide a gaming pc, net, hitting mat and LM for the $5-$6K. This is not a realistic price point. I'm looking at a gaming pc at the moment and they are going for over $2K! 

 

Financing is through 3rd party Acorn Finance. 

 

Edited September 28, 2021 by WallysWorld

[Cactus Jack]

7 minutes ago, Ilgolfer said:

I think this is a fascinating idea because I am in the same exact boat. The issue is, if the $800 per year for software is true, then it makes more sense to go with the GC3 over the launch pro if your timeframe for keeping your sim is greater than 5 years. Foresight will almost certainly offer a sim in a box option as they do for their current launch monitors. I totally agree with you that Bushnell has a really great opportunity here. I have done hours of research on screens, projectors, gaming computers, side mounted garage door motors, hitting mats, turf, launch monitors, etc. Having a one stop shop to grab all of that with something that seamlessly works together would be fantastic at the right price point. I am sure they have done their market research. The issue will become if the rumors are true $3,000 up front + $800 per year for software with less data for the BLP vs $7,000 up front all in for the GC3 is going to be a tough sell for Bushnell if that is truly the case. I wonder if Bushnell will offer any financing as Foresight currently looks like they do? I could stomach to finance the extra costs with the knowledge that after year 5 I will be doing better than break even on the costs. I will also be curious to see if both, one, or none are more open to outside software vs being very locked down on the FSX platform. There is a zero percent chance I am paying $500 per extra course I want to play when there is software out there that gives you tons of courses for way way less (TGC and GS Pro). Thursday will most likely be the day I finalize my simulator plans one way or the other. Just need Bushnell/Foresight to fill in the gaps.

 

You and I should be best friends.

 

I just installed a side mount garage door motor this past weekend in advance of building a sim around the GC3 or Quad. Very few folks think through the neurotic fine details like we do 🙂 . 

[Ilgolfer]

Just now, Cactus Jack said:

 

You and I should be best friends.

 

I just installed a side mount garage door motor this past weekend in advance of building a sim around the GC3 or Quad. Very few folks think through the neurotic fine details like we do 🙂 . 

Haha it was one of those things where I was measuring it out and I think I am going to ceiling mount some heavy blackout curtains on a track to prevent shanks/darken up the room for the projector and I thought "damnit I need to move that garage door motor." Did you buy one off Amazon? I saw a couple. They all seem to run right around $400-$500. It is just for the third stall though and we don't use it for anything besides kids' toy storage right now.

[WallysWorld]

2 minutes ago, Ilgolfer said:

Haha it was one of those things where I was measuring it out and I think I am going to ceiling mount some heavy blackout curtains on a track to prevent shanks/darken up the room for the projector and I thought "damnit I need to move that garage door motor." Did you buy one off Amazon? I saw a couple. They all seem to run right around $400-$500. It is just for the third stall though and we don't use it for anything besides kids' toy storage right now.

If you are a DIYer you can make one using motor. I in the other hand just don't have the time- so I went with this. Extremely satisfied and was up and running in less than a hour. 

 

https://www.homecoursegolf.com

[herdtlocker]

I've built out an entire hitting enclosure over the last few weeks all around the idea of picking up a GC3/LP as soon as they come out.  Hurry up Bushnell!! Take my money! Hitting into a blank void is getting old fast 😁

[Ilgolfer]

2 minutes ago, herdtlocker said:

I've built out an entire hitting enclosure over the last few weeks all around the idea of picking up a GC3/LP as soon as they come out.  Hurry up Bushnell!! Take my money! Hitting into a blank void is getting old fast 😁

That looks really nice. Where is that turf from? Which hitting mat did you go with? Is that a Carl's screen and enclosure?

[herdtlocker]

4 minutes ago, Ilgolfer said:

That looks really nice. Where is that turf from? Which hitting mat did you go with? Is that a Carl's screen and enclosure?

Thanks! Turf is just standard Lowes putting turf on top of 1/2" foam gym mats.  Mat is just a basic Motivo mat I got on sale.  And yep, enclosure is a Carls 9x12 with premium screen. I have a BenQ Th671ST projector on order. This is my first time building something like this out. And wanted to get it done in advance of the Eastern WA winter. I really just cruised forums and tried to take what people recommended and what I could get for a decent price.

[Ilgolfer]

21 minutes ago, herdtlocker said:

Thanks! Turf is just standard Lowes putting turf on top of 1/2" foam gym mats.  Mat is just a basic Motivo mat I got on sale.  And yep, enclosure is a Carls 9x12 with premium screen. I have a BenQ Th671ST projector on order. This is my first time building something like this out. And wanted to get it done in advance of the Eastern WA winter. I really just cruised forums and tried to take what people recommended and what I could get for a decent price.

We are in the exact same situation then and it sounds like we have been going to the same places for research haha. I am trying to get something done before the teeth of the IL winter hit as well. Most of what you have there is stuff that I am targeting as well. Just have to put my plan in action, but I am waiting for final details on this before I finalize plans and start purchasing. Looks like you did a great job though!

[jcrews5508]

I am a bit intrigued so the the unboxing on another site just showed locked spin access on the GC3 panel. Is it possible the GC3 will not be a one size fits all package like we have continually heard?

Edited September 28, 2021 by jcrews5508

[Magnets]

54 minutes ago, herdtlocker said:

I've built out an entire hitting enclosure over the last few weeks all around the idea of picking up a GC3/LP as soon as they come out.  Hurry up Bushnell!! Take my money! Hitting into a blank void is getting old fast 😁

 

Literally same!

 

I just built this in my garage over the weekend in anticipation of this product....

 

Still fun hitting into the blank screen though for the time being 🙂

[EskimoQuinn]

What do people see Foresight's plan for managing integration of the GC3 with 3rd party SW?  They currently are officially integrated with E6 and TGC2019 and other SW technically work but aren't officially support.  This is because they didn't lock down the communications protocols.  Do you think they will lock them down this time?  Do you think they will aloow integration with 3rd party apps for a subscription fee?  If so, how high do you think it will be?

[reeversma]

Since vista outdoor now owns bushnell why are they doing two monitors?  Seems it would be better as a company to

 have one

[MichaelO]

1 minute ago, reeversma said:

Since vista outdoor now owns bushnell why are they doing two monitors?  Seems it would be better as a company to

 have one

That could be the long term strategy. Or they may choose to run them independently with different customer segmentation. 
 

Bushnell for home users, optimizing for simulator played and Foresight with a fitter / coaching target customer. 
 

 

[MichaelO]

I signed up for this forum many years ago, but I never posted.

 

It's interesting to see the number of new users interested in the Bushnell Launch Pro. For more experienced folks on the forum, is this typical when a new product is launched? 

[DinoSpumoni228]

3 hours ago, WallysWorld said:

Dino, Foresight has been doing SIM-In-A-Box for a very long time, same with 3rd party companies such as Par2Pro, Rain or Shine, etc etc. At one point the best deal you could get a foresight GCQuad was at Costco! 

 

Most of these deals though are more expensive. This is such a niche market that and I keep harping at this because 80% of revenues from Vista Outdoors is ammo/guns sales not golf. 

 

I really would not hold my breath for a company to provide a gaming pc, net, hitting mat and LM for the $5-$6K. This is not a realistic price point. I'm looking at a gaming pc at the moment and they are going for over $2K! 

 

Financing is through 3rd party Acorn Finance. 

 

Lol duh - why would I use the term "sim-in-a-box" if I didn't know about the deal foresight offered on their GCQuad?

 

You are completely missing the point (or choosing to miss the point). There are a lot of people in this country who golf, have household incomes of $160,000+, and don't currently own any kind of launch monitor.

 

A huge deterrent for buying a launch monitor/simulator for at least 80% of these people is the fact that they don't know where to acquire half of the s**t you need for a home simulator setup.

 

The vast majority of golfers aren't lurking around internet forums like you and I. They are people who just like to get out and golf. They aren't looking up what aftermarket driver shaft is going to give them the best launch angle with the least amount of spin or any of that bs.

 

If they could offer a ball speed launch monitor package that included everything you would need to get started at $6k I guarantee they would sell more units.

 

Also, just cause you are looking at gaming computers that cost $2k doesn't mean that having a computer with that level of specs is a necessity. You can easily find a computer with a good enough processor, RAM, and graphics card to run FSX well for $1k.

[DinoSpumoni228]

3 hours ago, herdtlocker said:

I've built out an entire hitting enclosure over the last few weeks all around the idea of picking up a GC3/LP as soon as they come out.  Hurry up Bushnell!! Take my money! Hitting into a blank void is getting old fast 😁

Looks awesome

[brentflog]

14 minutes ago, DinoSpumoni228 said:

Looks awesome

Actually I have found it great to make swing changes. Just focusing on quality of contact

[Jamesheeney]

1 minute ago, brentflog said:

Actually I have found it great to make swing changes. Just focusing on quality of contact

What are the dimensions it is taking up width and depth. I am scoping out a large shed to build space and I am trying to figure out how much it takes if you go compact

[WallysWorld]

35 minutes ago, DinoSpumoni228 said:

Lol duh - why would I use the term "sim-in-a-box" if I didn't know about the deal foresight offered on their GCQuad?

 

You are completely missing the point (or choosing to miss the point). There are a lot of people in this country who golf, have household incomes of $160,000+, and don't currently own any kind of launch monitor.

 

A huge deterrent for buying a launch monitor/simulator for at least 80% of these people is the fact that they don't know where to acquire half of the s**t you need for a home simulator setup.

 

The vast majority of golfers aren't lurking around internet forums like you and I. They are people who just like to get out and golf. They aren't looking up what aftermarket driver shaft is going to give them the best launch angle with the least amount of spin or any of that bs.

 

If they could offer a ball speed launch monitor package that included everything you would need to get started at $6k I guarantee they would sell more units.

 

Also, just cause you are looking at gaming computers that cost $2k doesn't mean that having a computer with that level of specs is a necessity. You can easily find a computer with a good enough processor, RAM, and graphics card to run FSX well for $1k.

If you go to most of the LM websites, they provide some type of package deal. But not at those prices. 

 

This is a niche market. All of your comments are coming from a consumer's dream of getting a tour level LM at an unreasonable price. You have current options and their flaws and if you or others don't like it then  a) don't buy it and wait for something to eventually come up b) purchase what is currently available c) spend more $. 

 

Every country has it's own market and I'm sure they have done their research to market their product to what they believe is the current demand. 

 

and believe me, I'm sure all of us would agree that it would be nice to purchase all in 1 package for $6K. Unfortunately, we are in the peak of the market where all of these companies are taking advantage of the boom in the golf industry. Take a look at Fiberbuilt and TrueStrike, in the past 6-8 months, they have increased their pricing in all of their mats. 

Edited September 28, 2021 by WallysWorld

[denglishdoc]

9 hours ago, WallysWorld said:

@Indygolf21are you getting one? or still holding out? 

 

As far as ST2, is this a real thing or people are just hoping that they will come out with one? 

 

For those that will not be getting a BLP/GC3, what will you get? I'm interested to hear what people will going with. 

I was and still am really excited for the BLP/GC3 but pricing looks to be out of my range. now I'm thinking this could help drive down prices for Skytrak. anything would be better than my optishot 2. A ST would work fine for a few years. maybe when my son is older and starts using it more I'll upgrade to the BLP/GCS.

[Thats two thus far Shooter]

6 hours ago, herdtlocker said:

Thanks! Turf is just standard Lowes putting turf on top of 1/2" foam gym mats.  Mat is just a basic Motivo mat I got on sale.  And yep, enclosure is a Carls 9x12 with premium screen. I have a BenQ Th671ST projector on order. This is my first time building something like this out. And wanted to get it done in advance of the Eastern WA winter. I really just cruised forums and tried to take what people recommended and what I could get for a decent price.

Just bought that projector a couple weeks ago, it’s great. Perfect throw distance too for my basement set up.