Azinger calls out Koepka on his Ryder Cup comments

[grm24]

6 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

Its just that BK whines a lot for a guy who’s done squat for 2 years. 

Brooks won a PGA Tour event in 2021 despite being injured quite a bit in 2020/21 had a pretty good PGA Tour season. No doubt better than yours to date. 🙃 

 

He actually had the nerve to make the current RC team based on his play and is still in the OWGR top 10. Pretty damn good in the majors since the 2020 Masters. 4 top 7's in majors with an M/C at the 2021 Masters. Where was Reed in those events and his OWGR rank? Looking upwards.

 

We all here get you hate Brooks (based on your constant slamming of him) and love Reed before posting check your facts. 

 

http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=16243

[mattwood]

I find it humorous that people on this board are calling out Azinger for calling out Koepka based on his past Ryder cup record when they have no record at all.

[jj9000]

41 minutes ago, mattwood said:

I find it humorous that people on this board are calling out Azinger for calling out Koepka based on his past Ryder cup record when they have no record at all.

 

...says the guy with no Ryder Cup record, calling out others.

 

Irony.

[bscinstnct]

4 hours ago, grm24 said:

Brooks won a PGA Tour event in 2021 despite being injured quite a bit in 2020/21 had a pretty good PGA Tour season. No doubt better than yours to date. 🙃 

 

He actually had the nerve to make the current RC team based on his play and is still in the OWGR top 10. Pretty damn good in the majors since the 2020 Masters. 4 top 7's in majors with an M/C at the 2021 Masters. Where was Reed in those events and his OWGR rank? Looking upwards.

 

We all here get you hate Brooks (based on your constant slamming of him) and love Reed before posting check your facts. 

 

http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=16243

 

grm!

 

I said, 

 

“He’s dropped from #1 to #10 in a year so”

 

That’s a fact and not ideal. If TW, the guy BK says he’s going to win 11 more majors and match (I assume he’s talking in this lifetime and not some form of reincarnation) dropped 10 owgr spots in a year in his prime, there would be like 50 threads about it and you’d really see some hate on display.

 

No, I don’t hate BK and can’t imagine why anyone would. Or Bryson or any golfer. 
 

You don’t have to hate someone to “slam” dumb stuff they say.

 

Do you think PA “hates BK”? He “slammed” BK and he’s a fellow pro, network golf host, and winning Ryder Cup captain. 
 

I’d like nothing more than for BK to hit the winning putt on 18 for the final match to give ‘Murica the Cup!!

 

Then, start sobbing “I love you guys man” as hes hoisted onto Bryson and DJs shoulders and doused with champagne 🍾 

Edited September 17, 2021 by bscinstnct

[dbleag]

On 9/15/2021 at 8:01 PM, mark m said:

Yes. He fought with Seve. But he could have stayed out of this one. Now he is in the NBC hype the Ryder Cup POD. 
 

 

Is Zinger eligible for any of the PIP money?

[BNGL]

14 hours ago, oikos1 said:

As far as creme de la creme, I'll agree, wins really are everything (especially majors).  I'm sure if Poulter had a major, this conversation would be much different.  However, the money along with a 25 year professional career puts him in some rarefied air.  Add the 6 Ryder Cups and a 14-6-2 record (he's waned a bit in his last two Ryder Cups), and he clearly is a slayer of team USA.  All I can say is some people just get juiced up for different reasons. 

Sure and I admit he’s a fantastic Ryder Cup player, but going back to one of my first posts in the this thread. Maybe I’m way out on a ledge by myself but IF you’re a great player then your Ryder Cup record isn’t what people know you for or think of first thing whether you’re in Ryder Cup season or not. I only think of Poulter during a Ryder Cup. I haven’t ever once thought of Spieth, DJ, Phil, Tiger etc for their Ryder Cup record. 

[smashdn]

14 hours ago, oikos1 said:

 I'm sure if Poulter had a major, this conversation would be much different.  

 

He would be an older Sergio.

 

Has Poulter really even been in the mix in a major?

[2011l6]

In my opinion, Paul A, and BK are correct in their own term.  Paul is just doing his job, and BK is telling the truth.  I think no one to blame here.

I believe majority Ryder Cup players aren’t far off thinking same way.

Unless $ is involved, then the players will think differently…..it’s American way… haha

[oikos1]

22 minutes ago, smashdn said:

 

He would be an older Sergio.

 

Has Poulter really even been in the mix in a major?

Second and two T-3's and has a match play win.  But the bigger point is, who cares what their pro career is.  Isn't that the issue with Team USA?  All of these great players who together can't close the deal.

 

We're talking about the Ryder Cup and he is a great Ryder Cup player.

[BNGL]

2 minutes ago, oikos1 said:

Second and two T-3's and has a match play win.  But the bigger point is, who cares what their pro career is.  Isn't that the issue with Team USA?  All of these great players who together can't close the deal.

 

We're talking about the Ryder Cup and he is a great Ryder Cup player.

Because body of work matters but you’re right this is a discussion about the Ryder Cup and I’d be a fool to say that he isn’t a great Ryder Cup player. 

[smashdn]

3 hours ago, oikos1 said:

Second and two T-3's and has a match play win.  But the bigger point is, who cares what their pro career is.  Isn't that the issue with Team USA?  All of these great players who together can't close the deal.

 

We're talking about the Ryder Cup and he is a great Ryder Cup player.

 

That was the opposite argument actually.  They care what their pro career is because that is how they get paid and how we measure them as professional golfers.

 

Majors, tour wins, money and somewhere down the list is Ryder Cup performance.  If Ryder Cup performance finally has to be brought up to attempt to make a compelling argument for a guy, chances are that guy isn't all that good save maybe one week every two years.

 

With that in mind it shouldn't come as a shock that a PGA tour player doesn't really care as much as we think they should about the Ryder Cup, President's Cup and/or the Olympics.  That isn't how their bread gets buttered.

[bubbagump]

10 minutes ago, smashdn said:

 

That was the opposite argument actually.  They care what their pro career is because that is how they get paid and how we measure them as professional golfers.

 

Majors, tour wins, money and somewhere down the list is Ryder Cup performance.  If Ryder Cup performance finally has to be brought up to attempt to make a compelling argument for a guy, chances are that guy isn't all that good save maybe one week every two years.

 

With that in mind it shouldn't come as a shock that a PGA tour player doesn't really care as much as we think they should about the Ryder Cup, President's Cup and/or the Olympics.  That isn't how their bread gets buttered.

 

The optic of the RC to pro's and what it "means" to fans is likely very different levels, same as tour life/prep.  We saw that unforgiving lens here of how people were roasting and judging, Matt Wolff when he stepped away to get his s together.  

 

 

[dlygrisse]

Some people are great tour players, some are great team event players.  There are a few who have excelled at both.  
 

Also don’t compare Ryder Cup records before all of Europe got involved to when it was just GB &I. 

[One Putter]

I don't understand why Koepka can't just stay home if he doesn't wanna play. And don't give me this BS about money or the event not mattering. True competitors wanna compete no matter the pay day. They will find a way to improve their game and use any competition to do it, no matter what the pay day is or what status there is to be gained. If you aren't a competitor who can play Ryder Cup and take satisfaction in beating someone else then why the hell are you even out there in the first place.

 

Isn't it funny too how the same people who b**** and moan about athletes being pampered are the same ones that seem to be only focused on money and think that athletes should only base every decision they make on how much money it will bring them. No love for the game, no respect. Just hey they should do whatever makes them the most money because that's what the world is all about right. Rant over.

 

Edited September 18, 2021 by One Putter

[Hawkeye77]

I wish some other player would say something that the Golf Channel and the media can blow out of proportion. 
 

Both Azinger and Bruce have been done to death at this point. 
 

Maybe Stricker will get an ingrown toenail and develop a fungus. Add some more of a Wisconsin cheese vibe to the week. 
 

Reed will say Stricker stinks, Bruce will say he plays with 9 ingrown toenails so big deal, Azinger will say Stricker’s shoes need little pods. 

[SouthShoreRob]

The Reed/Rory singles match is one of, if not the, best match I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen a lot of ‘em. Those two guys trading punches with each other while including the spectators was one of the greatest displays of golf and sportsmanship in golf and Ryder Cup history. I’ve never seen two guys play at such a high level while having so much fun. Reed should be an auto-pick every two years just because of that match alone. Anyone who has doubts about Reed should go back and watch that match in its entirety. 

[khalespace]

My guess is that Brooks will play only 2 team matches (out of a maximum of 4) and only in four balls format. With his statement regarding his partners potentially leave him at a "bad spot" or not wanting to play his partner's ball type I am sure no one wants to play in alternate shot team with Brooks. Additionally with his health an issue, even allowing him to play only 1 team four balls match makes sense.

Edited September 18, 2021 by khalespace

[Bye]

It’s great that he is so honest (Brooks) because it’s more interesting than the standard media trained rubbish. 

 

But, he may look back on this with a bit more life experience and he think he should have just kept quiet and sucked it up for a week.
 

 

[Hawkeye77]

On 9/16/2021 at 11:42 PM, oikos1 said:

Maybe you'll get paid if you place a bet, baby!

 

I don't need marked cards to beat you, pal.

[miamistomp]

 Did you see the movie ? He lost 

[Scotty1140]

I remember when we only talked about Koepka’s play. We talk more about his mouth or his social media activity than anything else nowadays. 

[TiScape]

1 hour ago, Scotty1140 said:

I remember when we only talked about Koepka’s play. We talk more about his mouth or his social media activity than anything else nowadays. 

Exactly why him and Bryson got the majority of that PIP $ baby!!! Haha

🍾 🎉 🙌🏼

[Shilgy]

On 9/16/2021 at 7:28 PM, bubbagump said:

That’s going to be up to each persons existing view of him.  I didn’t take his answers in the interview as whining, just how he feels. Personally I also recognize it’s fully normal to have feels on something, but can still carry out the duties at hand regardless.   A huge portion of the human workforce does that daily lol.  

 

Plus much like Bryson, Brooks moves the needle, so the coverage continues to hammer home on them.   Can’t fault them for responding to interview requests, and then answering in their own schtick. 

Fine, he feels like whining.   What is clear is he really doesn’t want to play the RC.  
 

So don’t.

[Shilgy]

On 9/17/2021 at 7:01 AM, BNGL said:

Sure and I admit he’s a fantastic Ryder Cup player, but going back to one of my first posts in the this thread. Maybe I’m way out on a ledge by myself but IF you’re a great player then your Ryder Cup record isn’t what people know you for or think of first thing whether you’re in Ryder Cup season or not. I only think of Poulter during a Ryder Cup. I haven’t ever once thought of Spieth, DJ, Phil, Tiger etc for their Ryder Cup record. 

Maybe Ryder Cup records don’t count because the best players have been Americans and we don’t discuss Ryder Cup records in these here parts.😏

 

But seriously we mostly praise guys Ryder Cup records if they are part of winning teams.  And Sergio and Poulter have certainly been key components of the Euros winning run.

[Shilgy]

5 hours ago, Bye said:

It’s great that he is so honest (Brooks) because it’s more interesting than the standard media trained rubbish. 

 

But, he may look back on this with a bit more life experience and he think he should have just kept quiet and sucked it up for a week.
 

 

Or, kept quiet other than to say “I’m injured and relinquishing my spot to another player.”

[BNGL]

2 hours ago, Shilgy said:

Maybe Ryder Cup records don’t count because the best players have been Americans and we don’t discuss Ryder Cup records in these here parts.😏

 

But seriously we mostly praise guys Ryder Cup records if they are part of winning teams.  And Sergio and Poulter have certainly been key components of the Euros winning run.

Sure maybe. Again as with everything on this site that I post I am speaking as me on my opinion. There are somethings that are “factual” based on years of experience gleaned from working in golf. But most of it is in my opinion. 
 

You’re right though generally the best players have been American, that’s not too jingoistic to say I don’t think. But it’s like the teams that celebrate division titles in college football then get smoked in the conference game. Hey we’ve won this division 5 years in a row, yeah but you get run out of the stadium every year in the title game. So do you wanna celebrate the small things or something of importance? To me the Ryder Cup isn’t an event I dreamt of winning or participating in. I’ve warmed up to the Olympics, although my motives are ulterior to the competition it self (see Olympic village 🐈🐈🐈). But I’ve never ever dreamt of a putt to clinch the Ryder Cup, like I have The Masters or The British Open.

[diddy2]

BK out, Kevin Na in

 

I never like Azinger but he made a couple good points on BK

[Bye]

9 hours ago, Shilgy said:

Or, kept quiet other than to say “I’m injured and relinquishing my spot to another player.”

Either would work. He had an out, but has chosen another path.

 

Personally I think it’s a little disrespectful to those who have made the Ryder Cup what it is today. 

[freeze16172002]

Brooks tells his girlfriend, I wish I were you so I can make love to me

[oikos1]

In the Golf Digest interview, Koepka also said "I’d love to represent my country. I think that’s fun. It’s just maybe not in my DNA, the team sports thing" in relation to playing in the Olympics.  I get that.  Represent your country on a team but always playing your own ball, your own game. 

 

So I'm trying to understand, since a player doesn't have to play in every match, why not have someone like Koepka just play the two four-ball matches and the singles match.  He plays his own ball the entire time and it shouldn't matter if his "partner" screws up a hole in the four-ball 'cause he's Brooksie.  Surely he can beat two guys head to head. 

 

And then I continued reading the article and saw this: