L4V vs G10

[rok78]

Comparison anyone?

With 2 long love threads going on about these drivers. I have to ask, how do they compare? Who has hit both and which did you go with? I'm currently trying the L4V and to be honest, not a mind blower distance-wise. The stock stiff at 9* ballooned too much, put a Whiteboard in it and that still didn't give it pop. My Failsafe 2 is still a good 10-15 yards longer at least. However, I do see the forgiveness benefit and it doesn't have much curve at all. For that the L4V lives up to the hype.

I'm giving it another week, but I'd like to hear how the G10 stacks up in comparison in case I go that way.

[Golfme]

It seems like you havent tried all the shafts you could try. just because everyone is using a whiteboard doesnt mean it will work for u.

 

Why dont you try a couple more combination, and maybe try the shaft on the cobra that u have on the geek?

[rok78]

It seems like you havent tried all the shafts you could try. just because everyone is using a whiteboard doesnt mean it will work for u.

 

Why dont you try a couple more combination, and maybe try the shaft on the cobra that u have on the geek?

 

The Whiteboard was in the Geek. Launched too low and put a Creation in the FS2 and had the Whiteboard in the Geek DCT. I know what kind of shafts I like from a feel perspective and not much will launch lower and lower spin than the Whiteboard anyway. Also it's not a flight or trajectory issue, it doesn't even balloon after I put a Whiteboard in the L4V. It just seems dead. Hit it, ballflight looks ok, I think it was nutted, walk up to the ball and blah distance.

 

But I'm very impressed with the forgiveness. Like I said, I'm going to give it another go, but I'm interested in comparisons between the L4V and G10 if anyone has one.

[tomg1969]

It seems like you havent tried all the shafts you could try. just because everyone is using a whiteboard doesnt mean it will work for u.

 

Why dont you try a couple more combination, and maybe try the shaft on the cobra that u have on the geek?

 

The Whiteboard was in the Geek. Launched too low and put a Creation in the FS2 and had the Whiteboard in the Geek DCT. I know what kind of shafts I like from a feel perspective and not much will launch lower and lower spin than the Whiteboard anyway. Also it's not a flight or trajectory issue, it doesn't even balloon after I put a Whiteboard in the L4V. It just seems dead. Hit it, ballflight looks ok, I think it was nutted, walk up to the ball and blah distance.

 

But I'm very impressed with the forgiveness. Like I said, I'm going to give it another go, but I'm interested in comparisons between the L4V and G10 if anyone has one.

 

I experienced a bit of this yesterday. I demoed both drivers and played none holes with each. The Cobra was 10* F stiff and the G10 was 10.5 with the stock HL V2. Neither of these was my choice, but they were the models that they had available for demo.

I thin the Cobra is very forgiving and I like the feel of both, but the G10 for me was 20-30 yards longer. It really disappointed me because I want to get an L4V but now I'm second guessing........

[Husky18]

The G10 is the easy choice....L4V spins so much, that finding the correct shaft is a pain, they need the imix for this head alone.

[Young04]

It seems like you havent tried all the shafts you could try. just because everyone is using a whiteboard doesnt mean it will work for u.

 

Why dont you try a couple more combination, and maybe try the shaft on the cobra that u have on the geek?

 

The Whiteboard was in the Geek. Launched too low and put a Creation in the FS2 and had the Whiteboard in the Geek DCT. I know what kind of shafts I like from a feel perspective and not much will launch lower and lower spin than the Whiteboard anyway. Also it's not a flight or trajectory issue, it doesn't even balloon after I put a Whiteboard in the L4V. It just seems dead. Hit it, ballflight looks ok, I think it was nutted, walk up to the ball and blah distance.

 

But I'm very impressed with the forgiveness. Like I said, I'm going to give it another go, but I'm interested in comparisons between the L4V and G10 if anyone has one.

 

I experienced a bit of this yesterday. I demoed both drivers and played none holes with each. The Cobra was 10* F stiff and the G10 was 10.5 with the stock HL V2. Neither of these was my choice, but they were the models that they had available for demo.

I thin the Cobra is very forgiving and I like the feel of both, but the G10 for me was 20-30 yards longer. It really disappointed me because I want to get an L4V but now I'm second guessing........

 

if the drivers are properly fitted, you won't get a 20-30 difference in distance. to the OP, if you like the feel and forgiveness of the cobra, i would swap out shafts/get fitted for one that works best for you. if you're looking to switch solely for distance, you won't gain anything significant unless you happen to get the right shaft in the ping.

 

to me, i liked the look and feel of the ping g10 better, though i only hit the cobra indoors into a net. too loud and thing was downright ugly.

[wirelessness]

Your post does not indicate your swing speed and or flex. I think for average swing speed players like myself many popular shafts are just going to be too heavy. Just a suggestion, but try something lighter more inline with the 53gm stock shaft and see if you can't pickup distance.

[SwingBlues]

I've owned all 3.

 

I still got my Geek FS2 in the 9* with the Graman 780 (rflex 1/2 tipped), I did own the G10 in the PL red and now I am owning and playing the L4V F speed in the 9* with the stock redboard.

 

You know, it's hard to beat the FS2 - this is damn great head that has tons of carry and prodigous roll (not as much as a DCT but..). The only thing I didn't like about it and it's the most common complaint is the muted sound when you hit it sweet. Also, not very forgiving either so you need to hit it square and that's where the magic is.

 

Of all 3 the FS2 has the lowest flight and most penetrating. The G10 was next and the highest is the L4v. The G10 is the middle of the bunch in the forgiveness department. I thought it was great club when I got it. I did try the stock shaft (too high) and the V2 (WAY too high). The LM number for the G10 PL red was a bit better than the L4V so I bought it. The range sessions was great but after about 3 weeks of actual play, the honey moon was over - I could not control the longer shaft and the hooks came back in force. So I took it back to Roger Dunn and paid extra for the L4V. My FS2 is a reg 45" and I was hitting it straighter as a comparison.

 

The L4V s*ck when it comes to the sound, it was on the opposite end of the FS2 with that aluminium crisp thunk sound but at least it's a sound. With this club head, I can afford to swing bad and still the ball will carry and carry. Yesterday, on the 18th, I hit the ground about 4 inches behind the ball but the club head still squared and drove it 250+, beating my other foursome with their cleaner driver hits...it's just incredible. IMHO, there is no doubt the L4V is the most forgiving of the club: G10 and FS2.

 

Also, the balloon effect - yeah it's there but I think it's more to do with my swing and how high I tee the ball and my weight at impact. I've bombed it long with what I consider a regular ball flight and I've ballooned it HIGH but dang, this club is straight and way down there in the middle of the fairway!

 

On the stronger hits, there is a power fade that happens. It hardly hooks unless my body is totally, totally f00ked at impact. I am contemplating a switch to the Protopype but my SS is in between ranging from 98 to 103, so I still assessing the worthiness of this shaft change and what it's going to buy me.

 

Anyway, I still hit my FS2 just cause but the L4V is my driver in my bag and I got no hesitation unleashing it even on tight fairway for the skins game. Here, putting the ball in play is key and it makes no diff to me if I end up using a 9 as versus a PW for the 2nd.

[rok78]

Thanks for that great comparison Swingblues. I agree the FS2 is a bomber, I am not really looking for more length as much as forgiveness . I agree the FS2 is not that forgiving. But I don't want to give up yards either. My SS is 108 on a normal good swing.

[kencanuck]

For what this is worth I found the shaft is key...no surprise there! I have a G10 10.5 with PL Red in XStiff and it is a good combo all round. I have two L4V's with one being a F 10 with a VTLT in it and the other an X 9* with stock Redboard shaft.

 

Of the three I hit the 9* the shortest by a mile (not sure of exact distance as there is a pile of snow here and it is cold!!) but it is clearly shorter and ballons...total shaft issue I think. Between the G10 and L4V F there is no comparison!! The L4V is clearly longer and more consistent...the fence at the driving range is about 285 and I hit the fence, on the fly, with the L4V and with the G10 I am bouncing it and rolling to the fence. I don't know what distance that translates into but there is a clear difference.

 

As a reference I hit my J33R 460 (Speeder 757) consistently around 285 plus roll with the occasional bombs when my swing is on. I hit the J33R and the G10 about the same without the bombs I get with the J33R (could be my swing given the time of year).

 

So...I think the shaft matters. I tried the VTLT in the G10 and there wasn't any clear difference so I put the PL Red back in.

 

Ken

[x100]

The G10 looks better, feels much better and had higher ballspeeds on a Vector pro launch monitor for me. The Cobra feels cheap compared to the G10.

[Qegurezi]

rok78 - what is the swingweight of your two sticks? I wonder what weight WB you have put in, a 73 would swingweight VERY high in the Cobra. Also the L4V head might be up to 10 grams heavier than the Geek.

[generalpatton]

I've owned both, the G10 in my signature and the L4V 10* with the stock stiff shaft. The Cobra spun like a top, felt harsh and hollow and the sound was too loud. It also launched on a higher trajectory. Carry distance was about the same, the G10 rolls out a bit and the L4V had virtually no roll. The G10 is about as point and shoot a driver as I've owned and all things considered it's the one that made the spot in the bag. I'm sure the L4V may be a winner with a shaft upgrade, but I just didn't see the benefit of dropping another $200 into a $400 club when the G10 performs as well as it does for me. Plus it looks better, feels better and sounds better than the L4V hands down.

[shooter mcgavin1]

I experienced a bit of this yesterday. I demoed both drivers and played none holes with each. The Cobra was 10* F stiff and the G10 was 10.5 with the stock HL V2. Neither of these was my choice, but they were the models that they had available for demo.

I thin the Cobra is very forgiving and I like the feel of both, but the G10 for me was 20-30 yards longer. It really disappointed me because I want to get an L4V but now I'm second guessing........

 

 

can you compare these experiences with the ft-5 you currently play?

[SwingBlues]

Thanks for that great comparison Swingblues. I agree the FS2 is a bomber, I am not really looking for more length as much as forgiveness . I agree the FS2 is not that forgiving. But I don't want to give up yards either. My SS is 108 on a normal good swing.

 

No probs, at least I am glad to find another FS2 owner here on this forum and we both know exactly what the G10 and L4V is up against. Yeah, it's a tough call since the WB isn't working for you. Some have gone to a protopype or check out the Cobra Bomb thread for the latest and greatest shafts afterward.

 

The only thing left is to try the G10 with a PL red in the 9 stiff or x stiff. But even then, I would doubt the G10 will blow the FS2 out of the water - both of these clubs are great for forgiveness but when it comes to roll & carry, FS2 is king, imo. And yes, I bought the L4V for the forgiveness and the berzerk carry and it's winter, the grass is wet so I am not expecting any roll anyway...

[swanry30]

I think that both drivers are great, however the L4V is so straight. Unfortunately, I will not buy one unless they offer an 8* (PLEASE RELEASE) - Ping offers a 7.5* which is nice for us moonballers.

[tomg1969]

I experienced a bit of this yesterday. I demoed both drivers and played none holes with each. The Cobra was 10* F stiff and the G10 was 10.5 with the stock HL V2. Neither of these was my choice, but they were the models that they had available for demo.

I thin the Cobra is very forgiving and I like the feel of both, but the G10 for me was 20-30 yards longer. It really disappointed me because I want to get an L4V but now I'm second guessing........

 

 

can you compare these experiences with the ft-5 you currently play?

 

They both launch higher than the Ft5, but to be fair the Ft5 has a speeder 757 installed. The Cobra spins alot more and launches alot higher than either the Cally or the G10. The Cobra is the most forgiving of the 3 by a wide margin IMO.

The G10 is probably about as long as the FT5 and maybe a bit more forgiving. It also feels and sounds the best of these three.

 

I picked up an L4V 9*X today and will give it a go this weekend. I really do want to like it, just not sure that I want to do a $250 shaft to make it work for me.

[BPavlet]

Cobra feels cheap compared to the G10

 

That is your opinion. Now my allegiances are fairly obvious, but that is the kind of statement that starts issues. So here is my "opinion" and I will try to be as unbiased as possible. Which may be difficult, since I have been connected to both companies.

 

Both companies make GREAT products, as do most manufactures, but just because you like one, that does not mean the other one is an inferior product. In golf, personal preference's can make all the difference. When I played baseball I used a Wilson A2000 glove, it was my preference but that did not mean that the I thought Mizuno, Rawlings, Louisville, or Easton were crap. The same should go in golf, but to me people go the other direction and trash any company that is not "theirs".

 

So here is what I think. Certain people, me being one, think the L4V is a great driver and in no way does that mean that all other drivers suck. I, my opinion again, think the L4V sounds, feels, and hits better than any driver I have ever hit. I will also add this, that a certain player on tour thinks that the L4V doesn't spin enough so they went up in loft.

 

Not bad for a "spinny, mid pack, piece of sh*t driver".

[rok78]

rok78 - what is the swingweight of your two sticks? I wonder what weight WB you have put in, a 73 would swingweight VERY high in the Cobra. Also the L4V head might be up to 10 grams heavier than the Geek.

 

The Cobra is definitely heavier, from what I read it's about 208 on average and the FS2 was handpicked at 200g. But the Whiteboard I put in is the 63x and I have it playing at 45". Plus I don't think it's the weight, I have a SS radar and I get the same clubhead speed no matter which driver I use.

 

 

Cobra feels cheap compared to the G10

 

That is your opinion. Now my allegiances are fairly obvious, but that is the kind of statement that starts issues. So here is my "opinion" and I will try to be as unbiased as possible. Which may be difficult, since I have been connected to both companies.

 

Both companies make GREAT products, as do most manufactures, but just because you like one, that does not mean the other one is an inferior product. In golf, personal preference's can make all the difference. When I played baseball I used a Wilson A2000 glove, it was my preference but that did not mean that the I thought Mizuno, Rawlings, Louisville, or Easton were crap. The same should go in golf, but to me people go the other direction and trash any company that is not "theirs".

 

So here is what I think. Certain people, me being one, think the L4V is a great driver and in no way does that mean that all other drivers suck. I, my opinion again, think the L4V sounds, feels, and hits better than any driver I have ever hit. I will also add this, that a certain player on tour thinks that the L4V doesn't spin enough so they went up in loft.

 

Not bad for a "spinny, mid pack, piece of sh*t driver".

 

I agree all are good brands (btw the Wilson A2000 series is just a gold standard, that was my glove as well). I want to like the Cobra, it's soooo forgiving I was in shock. I just can't give up 15 yards. I may be selfish and naive, but I do want it all. That's the reason I want a comparison from people's experiences. I don't want this to be an L4V or G10 bashing thread. Just good first hand experiences from those who've tried both. I also don't mind the L4V feel, it feels very hot and springy yet I can tell where I hit it on the face, and it's not make-your-ears-bleed loud (ref to SUMO). Who knows the L4V may come alive for me this week or next week, but if the G10 can provide the distance of my FS2 with the direction control of the L4V, I may go that way.

[Tim Delgado]

I just read on the other site that the head was "too heavy" and therefore adversely affected the shaft flex to the point where a bunch of tipping is required and further making it impossible to accurately test and compare. Any thoughts on this?

 

How heavy is this thing, what does my 7.5* Ping Rapture head weigh, and what is a standard driver head weight? Thanks.

 

Tim

[Qegurezi]

I just read on the other site that the head was "too heavy" and therefore adversely affected the shaft flex to the point where a bunch of tipping is required and further making it impossible to accurately test and compare. Any thoughts on this?

 

How heavy is this thing, what does my 7.5* Ping Rapture head weigh, and what is a standard driver head weight? Thanks.

 

Tim

 

Sounds like it outperformed the FT-5 LCG, Adams 4250 and the 282 TM then hahaha. They might be too scared to tell the congregation they are leaving yards on the table on a head they don't sell!!

[Qegurezi]

Cobra may have also given them brush off to sell the club to :)

[Tim Delgado]

I am not criticizing the other site, just wondering what a typical driver head weight is.

 

To be 100% honest though, I have stopped posting over there and visit the site less and less after being threatened with a ban for no good reason (I did however ask for clarificaton on a couple conflicting statements about Trackman readings, big deal right??!! :) )

 

Since the "warning", my posts now do not immediately get displayed, but rather have to be "reviewed by a moderator" or something absurd like that. Good grief, I still find that almost laughable and sad at the same time. I now must be "reviewed" because I asked for clarification??? Wow. You would think we were discussing military secrets or something. ;)

 

Oh well, it does not bother me and there is nothing I can do about it anyway. It is not the first time I have seen someone take actions that only end up harming themselves or their business. A shame really, as there used to be a bunch of great posters and discussions over there (not so much anymore) and sadly many of the most entertaining posters have left, leaving many others like myself a bit disappointed.

 

Back on topic however, does anyone know what my Rapture driver head or the G10 head weighs? Thanks.

 

Tim

[BPavlet]

I just can't give up 15 yards. I may be selfish and naive, but I do want it all

 

If you were willing to give up 15 yards those are not the words I would use. Idiot would be better. :)

[rodge]

I am not criticizing the other site, just wondering what a typical driver head weight is

 

 

I would guess that the standard driver head is right around 198-200 grams, with some being lighter depending on the standard shaft length. I would think the G10 would have to be in the mid 190's since the standard length is 46". The same would apply to the TM Burner.

 

And that's another interesting point in this debate between the G10 and the L4V. You have an extra inch with the G10, so that may account for a bit more yardage. For me it just means less control.

[da master 808]

Rick,

 

Get the G10 already! :)

[rok78]

Rick,

 

Get the G10 already! :)

 

Funny. If I get one I know who I'm buying it from.