Considering a Move to Steelfiber

[dlow206]

Just because im curious, what profile are the Steelfibers comparable to?

[NRJyzr]

24 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Just because im curious, what profile are the Steelfibers comparable to?

 

Dynamic Gold, especially when looking at DGS and i95 stiff.  DGR and i95 regular have a bit of divergence at the 16" beam length. 

 

Some Wishon shaft profile info:

 

 

[dlow206]

Just now, NRJyzr said:

 

Dynamic Gold, especially when looking at DGS and i95 stiff.  DGR and i95 regular have a bit of divergence at the 16" beam length. 

 

Some Wishon shaft profile info:

 

 

 

Awesome that is exactly what i was looking for. 

[Stuart_G]

7 hours ago, dlow206 said:

 

Awesome that is exactly what i was looking for. 

 

Just realize that's true for the i-series steelfibers.  The newer FC series have a very different profile.

[dlow206]

Was at a PXG fitting yesterday because I haven't been getting along with my JPX 923 Hot Metals with DG 95 Stiff shafts. The DG 95 "Stiff" are objectively super soft shafts (13 EI area according to Russ Ryden's measurement).

 

I have played Steelfiber i95 parallel tip shafts well in the past in Stiff, so I do have prior experience. Swing speed is around 83 with a 7 iron, can get slightly above 85 if needed at times.

 

Was doing some switching back and forth between the i95CW taper tip in Stiff and Regular, both the fitter I had thought that I should fit better into the R flex in the taper tips because of the combination of my swing speed and me being more of a smooth swinger. However, after some experiments with him switching out the shafts at different points during the session with a couple of instances of me not knowing whether i was hitting the Stiff or the Regular, performance with the Stiff was significantly better.

 

Stiff had better L to R dispersion, F to B dispersion, while maintaining distance, spin, peak height, etc.

 

Ultimately decided to go with the i95 parallel tips in Stiff (because I wanted the all black steelfiber reserve), which based on my past experience, to me, play about the same as the i95CW in Stiff. I'm not super sensitive to the descending nature of the shaft weights of parallel tip shafts.

 

My takeaway is that although everything on paper points to me playing the R flex Steelfibers, the S flex led me to for whatever reason, better deliver the club at impact. 

[ob1soccer]

can anyone tell me how the steelfiber in 95s will launch compared to modus 105s. Trying to compare the 2 shafts directly and they are about 10 grams different, wondering what else i should expect, thanks

[Stuart_G]

11 hours ago, ob1soccer said:

can anyone tell me how the steelfiber in 95s will launch compared to modus 105s. Trying to compare the 2 shafts directly and they are about 10 grams different, wondering what else i should expect, thanks

 

How it might launch for you?   No, no one here can tell you that.  Only way to figure that out is to go hit them side-by-side.

 

How players swings respond to both differences in stiffness feel or weight feel is just too subjective to be predictable.  Plus how much the shaft might contribute to the dynamic loft is very dependent on the mechanics.

 

How it might be different for a robot - the steelfiber i95 has a significantly stiffer tip than the modus (It's actually significantly stiffer throughout the whole shaft).  So in theory, the modus would launch higher than the i95.

 

But the reality is that the subjective influence (which we can't predict) frequently overwhelm the theoretical influences.  And those theoretical aren't really that significant to begin with. so they don't tend to be very useful.

Edited June 28, 2023 by Stuart_G

[ob1soccer]

so what will the 10 gram difference in weight do? just feel lighter?

[Stuart_G]

2 minutes ago, ob1soccer said:

so what will the 10 gram difference in weight do? just feel lighter?

 

Again that's completely subjective.

 

But FWIW, getting a good fit for weight is generally more important than stiffness.

 

And it's more commonly a much better idea to find the best shaft by looking at things like the effects on dispersion and accuracy and shot shape control - than it is to look at launch and spin.  Tweaking launch and spin is generally best left to the head and loft selection.

[jeffrey r]

7 minutes ago, ob1soccer said:

so what will the 10 gram difference in weight do? just feel lighter?

 

Being blunt, the i95 either fits ya, or it doesn’t.  That is to say, it is a phenomenal shaft, but none of us can say if it will work for you or not.  

 

I have played the i95 extensively, and I did suffer a bit from the reduced weight as I tend to prefer shafts in the 100-110g range.  Strictly as a shaft though, the i95 is fantastic.  I95 R flex plays kind of like the Modus Tour 105 stiff, and the i95 S flex is really very stiff.  Playable, but you’ll need to have some swing speed to optimize the S flex.

 

Beauty is, if the i95 is not the right fit for you, plenty of other options out there like the SF i110, Recoil 95/110, Recoil Dart 90/105, MMT 105, etc.  Good luck.

[cardoustie]

It hasn’t been mentioned in this thread but for me I have discovered blending the weights of the SF’s to be fantastic, for performance and progressive swing weighting

 

Right now I have the 95 cw in stiff in 5,6,7 irons (swing weights are d6-d7. (The 5i not in the bag at the moment)

The 110 stiff in 8,9.PW,GW .. swing weight range of d8 - d9 ish

and the 125s in my 54, 60 and 64* e0 to e2

 

What I love about the 110’s is you can go longer (for me +1”) and keep swing weight right where I like it at d7 or d8

 

Longer short irons saved my back and SF seems to make it easier

 

I was a lonnnngggggg time s400 and x100 guy

[Stuart_G]

53 minutes ago, jeffrey r said:

 

Being blunt, the i95 either fits ya, or it doesn’t.  That is to say, it is a phenomenal shaft, but none of us can say if it will work for you or not.  

 

Very true.

 

53 minutes ago, jeffrey r said:

I have played the i95 extensively, and I did suffer a bit from the reduced weight as I tend to prefer shafts in the 100-110g range.  Strictly as a shaft though, the i95 is fantastic.  I95 R flex plays kind of like the Modus Tour 105 stiff, and the i95 S flex is really very stiff.  

 

Actually the fc90 or fc115 reg flex is likely to be more comparable to the Modus 105 from the standpoint of the stiffness profile (compared to the i95 reg)

 

53 minutes ago, jeffrey r said:

Playable, but you’ll need to have some swing speed to optimize the S flex.

 

Not really true in a generic sense.   There is no such thing as an optimal amount of loading for any shaft or any "needed" amount of loading.   It all comes down to whether or not it feels too stiff or not and if that stiff feel causes problems with the swing.   Some people actually like the feel of a very stiff shaft and can get great performance even with slower swing speeds and smooth transitions (very little loading).

Edited June 28, 2023 by Stuart_G

[NRJyzr]

12 hours ago, ob1soccer said:

can anyone tell me how the steelfiber in 95s will launch compared to modus 105s. Trying to compare the 2 shafts directly and they are about 10 grams different, wondering what else i should expect, thanks

 

Your main question is already well covered, but I wanted to add another point worth mention....

 

The Steelfiber i95 is about a flex stiffer than same flex Modus 105.  I've added the Wishon profile data below for DGR/DGS, Modus 105, and i95 R & S.  Notice the bottom half of the i95 being stiffer yet than the Modus 105.

 

As Stuart likes to say, how that affects each of us isn't a stock answer.  How it might work for me would be different than it would be for you.  Or how it would have worked for me 5 years ago (stupid aging).

 

 

Edited June 28, 2023 by NRJyzr

[jeffrey r]

30 minutes ago, Stuart_G said:

Actually the fc90 or fc115 reg flex is likely to be more comparable to the Modus 105 from the standpoint of the stiffness profile (compared to the i95 reg)

 

 

Is there an fc115 reg flex, or are you implying soft-stepping the stiff flex?  I have played the fc115 stiff, and it is a great shaft.  I found that soft-stepping once got it close to the i110 reg flex, but soft-stepping twice would have probably been better for me.  Fc115 would probably work for a lot of golfers that prefer heavier iron shafts, but it seems like nobody knows about it...

 

Fc90 did not work for me, as I prefer the i95 profile.  All the more reason one really needs to hit these for themselves.  Thanks for the input as always.

[ob1soccer]

adding loft with increase the bounce?

[ob1soccer]

1 hour ago, jeffrey r said:

 

Being blunt, the i95 either fits ya, or it doesn’t.  That is to say, it is a phenomenal shaft, but none of us can say if it will work for you or not.  

 

I have played the i95 extensively, and I did suffer a bit from the reduced weight as I tend to prefer shafts in the 100-110g range.  Strictly as a shaft though, the i95 is fantastic.  I95 R flex plays kind of like the Modus Tour 105 stiff, and the i95 S flex is really very stiff.  Playable, but you’ll need to have some swing speed to optimize the S flex.

 

Beauty is, if the i95 is not the right fit for you, plenty of other options out there like the SF i110, Recoil 95/110, Recoil Dart 90/105, MMT 105, etc.  Good luck.

thank you. I have Modus 105s and just got a 95s in SF to demo to compare. Next try will be the 95r depending on how tomorrow goes. I also have an 80s to demo but assume that will be too light. 7 iron with current Modus 105 s is 160-165 and wondering if anything is better and lighter

[Stuart_G]

34 minutes ago, jeffrey r said:

 

Is there an fc115 reg flex, or are you implying soft-stepping the stiff flex?  I have played the fc115 stiff, and it is a great shaft.  I found that soft-stepping once got it close to the i110 reg flex, but soft-stepping twice would have probably been better for me.  Fc115 would probably work for a lot of golfers that prefer heavier iron shafts, but it seems like nobody knows about it...

 

Fc90 did not work for me, as I prefer the i95 profile.  All the more reason one really needs to hit these for themselves.  Thanks for the input as always.

 

I wasn't implying it - but it's obviously one more option.   Really just saying the fc series tip stiffness/profile is a much closer match to the nippon 105's tip stiffness profile than it is for the i-series.    And yes, the FC series don't have nearly the notability of the i series - which also means less opportunity to test them out.

 

Soft stepping x1 is really quite subtle so not surprised with your results there.

[dlow206]

1 hour ago, NRJyzr said:

 

Your main question is already well covered, but I wanted to add another point worth mention....

 

The Steelfiber i95 is about a flex stiffer than same flex Modus 105.  I've added the Wishon profile data below for DGR/DGS, Modus 105, and i95 R & S.  Notice the bottom half of the i95 being stiffer yet than the Modus 105.

 

As Stuart likes to say, how that affects each of us isn't a stock answer.  How it might work for me would be different than it would be for you.  Or how it would have worked for me 5 years ago (stupid aging).

 

 

 

Just curious, does that file/database have any of the Steelfiber parallel tip shaft profiles in it?

[NRJyzr]

42 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

 

Just curious, does that file/database have any of the Steelfiber parallel tip shaft profiles in it?

 

Only with the i125 do I have info that ID's taper and parallel.  Not at my laptop at moment, but I can paste those in here if you'd like to see the comparison. 

 

Full disclosure:   I've been picking these up as they're posted here and recording it in a spreadsheet, I don't have access to the full Wishon shaft profile database.

 

[Stuart_G]

20 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

Full disclosure:   I've been picking these up as they're posted here and recording it in a spreadsheet, I don't have access to the full Wishon shaft profile database.

 

 

It's my understanding that if it's not specifically labelled as taper tip - you're most likely seeing the the parallel tip data  (since all Wishon heads have/had parallel hosels).  So there's a good chance that is the parallel data you've got.

 

[NRJyzr]

Which makes the earlier posted profile comparison even more interesting.  🤔 

 

[ob1soccer]

On 3/8/2022 at 5:47 AM, Stuart_G said:

 

The influence of the profile on the launch and spin is usually pretty minimal.  That's not the best reason to pick a shaft.   Pick the shaft for feel and consistency and accuracy.   Leave the launch/spin for the head and loft selection.

 

 

 

 

Soft/hard stepping x1 is a pretty minimal change.  very subtle.  If they feel too stiff or too soft straight in, they will still feel too stiff after soft after stepping x1.    Stepping x1 is only for when the feel is very close to what you want but just a hair off,  it's not going to be enough if the profile isn't a somewhat decent fit to begin with (straight in).

 

And the comments about "playing stiffer than normal" only apply to the i-series, not the fc series.    I don't agree with it but it's really more a matter of what shafts you have a history with.  e.g. coming from TT DG's, they will feel pretty true to flex for most.  e.g. loose the weight w/o loosing the stiffness.   If you're coming from say the lighter Nippons 120's or 105's, they are going to feel roughly a full flex stiffer.

 

 

But bottom line is that you really have to try them in order to make the best decision on any new iron shaft.  Otherwise its' a crap shoot.   If you can't fine a place to demo them,  buy a single shaft to test out before committing to a whole new set.

 

Personally, I prefer more of a mid-launch shaft feel - not too soft, not too firm.   I could easily play the i95's but much prefer the feel of the fc90's or UST Recoils.  In fact have the fc90's in my current set.

 

what is the difference between Fc and just regular steelfiber?

[Stuart_G]

12 hours ago, ob1soccer said:

what is the difference between Fc and just regular steelfiber?

 

I assume you mean the difference between the FC series and the "i" series.

 

Based on your post in the other thread about your experience testing them - you already know what you need to know.  

 

But the FC series have  a softer tip stiffness profile.  Some might say a higher launching profile.  And slightly flighted (get's a bit softer as the irons get longer).   The "i" series have the stiffer tipped, lower launching profile that's more consistent through the set.

 

Edited June 30, 2023 by Stuart_G

[ob1soccer]

12 hours ago, Stuart_G said:

 

I assume you mean the difference between the FC series and the "i" series.

 

Based on your post in the other thread about your experience testing them - you already know what you need to know.  

 

But the FC series have  a softer tip stiffness profile.  Some might say a higher launching profile.  And slightly flighted (get's a bit softer as the irons get longer).   The "i" series have the stiffer tipped, lower launching profile that's more consistent through the set.

 

actually 2 days ago i got 2 steelfiber to demo, one in the 95 and the other 80, after i got home and looking closer at the shafts i realized they were different. I knew about the original but had no clue about the Fc. So what did i do? Go immediately to golf wrx and ask the professionals. It was great though because i went in testing and had no clue and got more information after. 

Good part is that what i found out after about the shafts i actually saw in my testing. For me the Fc felt a little loose and soft compared to regular steelfiber. 

But thanks for the info

[dlow206]

Thought I could find a different graphite iron shaft at my fitting yesterday that could beat out the Steelfibers, but nothing could. This is the third time in a row across multiple years that I fit best into Steelfiber i95S parallel tips.