Any Whoop users here ? ( fitness tracking band )

[bladehunter]

Been wearing one for about 2 1/2 weeks now. 
the idea came because of my strenuous habits , vs my sometimes crash prone self . I can get these episodes where I am going along fine and then suddenly boom.  I’m shaking , speech is slow and mental clarity is gone.  Usually eating some protein or non sweets and sitting down will clear it up.  This is about a once a month thing.  Maybe more often if I don’t eat lunch on time.  I’ve been checked out 4 times now , and given a clear bill of health each time.  
 

 

i want to see if I can track and predict when these events may occur and  head them off. Since apparently doctors are just going to shrug it off as “ you’re better than 99 % of the 42 year olds I see , nothing wrong with you “. 
 

I just wondered if anyone else used one , and if there maybe some features or tricks you find particularly useful? 

[ChipStrokes]

i had a whoop early on when they came out, and was actually a sponsored athlete/brand ambassador for a while

 

it spits out a lot of data, and i always found that data to be extremely accurate. 

 

when my contract was up i gave it to a buddy for two reasons. 

 

1.  i’m just not a gadget guy. i’ve tried most of them and just don’t get along with gadgetry. i’ve got my phone and that’s about it. 

 

2. while the data was accurate, it wasn’t telling me anything that my body wasn’t already. i felt great when my recovery was in the green, and i felt like smushed crap when the recovery was in the red.  i was training a lot at the time and could pretty accurately guess my heart rate at different intensity levels. i didn’t need an external doodad to confirm how i was feeling

 

in your case, im not sure there’s a tracker out there that can monitor you in real time and predict when you’re going to have a crash. the closest the whoop is going to do for you is tell you that you’re 23% recovered in the morning, so maybe you’ll take it easy that day.

 

sounds like you just need to be eating more often. and probably drinking more water.  but that goes for 95% of us. 

 

 

Edited June 5, 2022 by ChipStrokes

[bladehunter]

43 minutes ago, ChipStrokes said:

i had a whoop early on when they came out, and was actually a sponsored athlete/brand ambassador for a while

 

it spits out a lot of data, and i always found that data to be extremely accurate. 

 

when my contract was up i gave it to a buddy for two reasons. 

 

1.  i’m just not a gadget guy. i’ve tried most of them and just don’t get along with gadgetry. i’ve got my phone and that’s about it. 

 

2. while the data was accurate, it wasn’t telling me anything that my body wasn’t already. i felt great when my recovery was in the green, and i felt like smushed crap when the recovery was in the red.  i was training a lot at the time and could pretty accurately guess my heart rate at different intensity levels. i didn’t need an external doodad to confirm how i was feeling

 

in your case, im not sure there’s a tracker out there that can monitor you in real time and predict when you’re going to have a crash. the closest the whoop is going to do for you is tell you that you’re 23% recovered in the morning, so maybe you’ll take it easy that day.

 

sounds like you just need to be eating more often. and probably drinking more water.  but that goes for 95% of us. 

 

 

Yep. I think You’re right on.  I have to figure out how to get into bed earlier. But I’m the type that stays outdoors until dark on the summer and eats dinner late after that.  So that’s 10 pm at least before I’m even inside and settled.  
 

im definitely working in a calorie deficit.  Yesterday walked 18 and really took it easy the rest of the day and I burned 4700 calories to an intake of 3200.   I felt like crap before the round , working  off a recovery of only 46%.  Was a bad day . I woke up this morning at a 93 % recovery rate , which is my highest recovery ever,  and still feel like crap.  Not as bad. But definitely don’t want to do anything.  Yesterdays strain was 19.2.  I regularly see 16-18 with a 21 high.  
 

i wonder if I don’t need go eat more period? .  But at the same time cutting any junk ( I don’t eat much junk , potatoe chips at lunch being my main food Vice ) I don’t drink soft drinks , but I do love coffee.   I say that about the junk  because I’m not really losing weight even at that deficit . I’m just holding.  6ft 3 at 204lbs  , 36 inch waist.  I could lose 2 inches on the waist I know.  But I’d mainly just like to feel better.  I don’t feel like I’ve had a day where I felt good in probably 4/5 months.  Definitely not a 100 % feeling round of golf in a long time.  

Edited June 5, 2022 by bladehunter

[ChipStrokes]

1 minute ago, bladehunter said:

Yep. I think You’re right on.  I have to figure out who to get into bed earlier. But I’m the type that stays outdoors until dark on the summer and eats dinner late after that.  So that’s 10 pm at least before I’m even inside and settled.  
 

im definitely working in a calorie deficit.  Yesterday walked 18 and really took it easy the rest of the day and I burned 4700 calories to an intake of 3200.   I felt like crap before the round , working  off a recovery of only 46%.  Was a bad day . I woke up this morning at a 93 % recovery rate , and still feel like crap.  Not as bad. But definitely don’t want to do anything.  Yesterdays strain was 19.2.  I regularly see 16-18 with a 21 high.  
 

i wonder if I don’t need go eat more period? .  But at the same time cutting any junk ( I don’t eat much junk , potatoe chips at lunch being my main food vise ) I don’t drink soft drinks , but I do love coffee.   I say that about the junk  because I’m not really losing weight even at that deficit . I’m just holding.  6ft 3 at 204lbs  , 36 inch waist.  I could lose 2 inches on the waist I know.  But I’d mainly just like to feel better.  I don’t feel like I’ve had a day where I felt good in probably 4/5 months.  Definitely not a 100 % feeling round of golf in a long time.  

how much water are you drinking? 

 

3200 calories is pretty solid as long as you’re not training your balls off. 3000-3500 is a solid maintenance range for a guy your size. when i was training a lot i was up around 5000-5500 daily, but that was with 2 hour training sessions, twice a day. 

 

i don’t see any huge red flags in what you’re outlining. the other huge variable would be stress, which is hard to measure.  but if everything else is more or less squared away and you’re still feeling run down, it can be a big factor. 

[Jayshaft]

I’ve had mine for about 6 months now. 
 

was only planning to use it for a year, and am most likely still sticking with that plan. 
 

my biggest reason for getting it was to try and Improve my sleep health and consistency. I thoroughly enjoy the data, but as stated above - there doesn’t seem to be anything magic that it tells me that my body can’t - outside of specific numbers. 
 

i think there has been a decent amount of benefit to me since wearing it, as long as I using the data that it provides. 
 

if it tells you to go to sleep at 930, or alcohol affects your recovery, don’t eat before bed, etc. - and you don’t follow it, you won’t see any benefit

[hollabachgt]

I used a Whoop for 6-8 months. While I really loved all the data that it was spitting out, I just wasn't using it beneficially. I decided that the monthly cost was just too high and downgraded to another less sophisticated and cheaper device.

[bladehunter]

10 minutes ago, ChipStrokes said:

how much water are you drinking? 

 

3200 calories is pretty solid as long as you’re not training your balls off. 3000-3500 is a solid maintenance range for a guy your size. when i was training a lot i was up around 5000-5500 daily, but that was with 2 hour training sessions, twice a day. 

 

i don’t see any huge red flags in what you’re outlining. the other huge variable would be stress, which is hard to measure.  but if everything else is more or less squared away and you’re still feeling run down, it can be a big factor. 

Well. I’ve yet to measure, but a good guess is at least 80 but more like 120 oz a day.  But I don’t feel like that’s  nearly enough.  I have a water in hand or nearby almost always.  As I’m always thirsty.  But I don’t always drink until I’m parched.  It’s weird.  I just don’t think of it until it’s late.  
 

as far as working out in the understood sense ?  Never.  But.  I live on a farm , and run a fab shop.  I work manually  all day.  An example of a hard day would be like last Monday.  I loaded a 28 ft rollback truck by myself by hand with old reclaimed lumber  and beams we got to build a new barn with.  I’d say that load weighed about 9500-10k lbs as I’ve drove that truck with a 12500 lb  tractor on it and it wasn’t quite as top heavy. But close.  I loaded that in 2 hours 45 min.  I had two people back at home help me unload it and stack it ,   We unloaded it in about 45 min.  So definitely akin to  training hard I’d say.  
 

Stress. Lol. Well. I’m sure that’s a large part. I mean we all are living in todays economy.  So.  It’s self explanatory.   but I’d say recently it’s less not more.  Certainly peaked in early 2020.  
 

Keep in mind , I know nothing about fitness parameters.  I’m just learning as I go because I’m tired of being tired.  I’m sure more water is needed.  And I can do that.  I’m the type that can down 20 oz in a few seconds.  No worries.  So drinking more isn’t a struggle. My issue is fitting it into my routine.  Making it habit.  Tracking it is how that will become habit for me.  Because I’m the type that won’t slow down to eat , or really drink much until I’m past the need.  So consistent habit  is how I make sure these things happen.  That’s part of why I think tracking sleep etc will help me.  Because I won’t do it unless I have a glaring thing that’s keeping me honest.  If that makes sense.  Just feeling bad won’t do it.  I’ll keep going.  And I’m getting to the age where I feel like that’s dangerous.  

[ChipStrokes]

9 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Well. I’ve yet to measure, but a good guess is at least 80 but more like 120 oz a day.  But I don’t feel like that’s  nearly enough.  I have a water in hand or nearby almost always.  As I’m always thirsty.  But I don’t always drink until I’m parched.  It’s weird.  I just don’t think of it until it’s late.  
 

as far as working out in the understood sense ?  Never.  But.  I live on a farm , and run a fab shop.  I work manually  all day.  An example of a hard day would be like last Monday.  I loaded a 28 ft rollback truck by myself by hand with old reclaimed lumber  and beams we got to build a new barn with.  I’d say that load weighed about 9500-10k lbs as I’ve drove that truck with a 12500 lb  tractor on it and it wasn’t quite as top heavy. But close.  I loaded that in 2 hours 45 min.  I had two people back at home help me unload it and stack it ,   We unloaded it in about 45 min.  So definitely akin to  training hard I’d say.  
 

Stress. Lol. Well. I’m sure that’s a large part. I mean we all are living in todays economy.  So.  It’s self explanatory.   but I’d say recently it’s less not more.  Certainly peaked in early 2020.  
 

Keep in mind , I know nothing about fitness parameters.  I’m just learning as I go because I’m tired of being tired.  I’m sure more water is needed.  And I can do that.  I’m the type that can down 20 oz in a few seconds.  No worries.  So drinking more isn’t a struggle. My issue is fitting it into my routine.  Making it habit.  Tracking it is how that will become habit for me.  Because I’m the type that won’t slow down to eat , or really drink much until I’m past the need.  So consistent habit  is how I make sure these things happen.  That’s part of why I think tracking sleep etc will help me.  Because I won’t do it unless I have a glaring thing that’s keeping me honest.  If that makes sense.  Just feeling bad won’t do it.  I’ll keep going.  And I’m getting to the age where I feel like that’s dangerous.  

makes perfect sense actually. 

 

are you someone who’s good with routines? usually people who are, can add new things in and adjust pretty well. 

 

id say definitely drink more water. you’re active, and it’s hot down in SC. you might need a full gallon a day. 

 

you say 3200 calories. do you have any idea of the breakdown between protein/fats/carbs?

 

a simple place to start is trying to get 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight in daily. 

 

try that coupled with more water for a few weeks and see if it doesn’t make a difference. 

[bladehunter]

33 minutes ago, ChipStrokes said:

makes perfect sense actually. 

 

are you someone who’s good with routines? usually people who are, can add new things in and adjust pretty well. 

 

id say definitely drink more water. you’re active, and it’s hot down in SC. you might need a full gallon a day. 

 

you say 3200 calories. do you have any idea of the breakdown between protein/fats/carbs?

 

a simple place to start is trying to get 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight in daily. 

 

try that coupled with more water for a few weeks and see if it doesn’t make a difference. 

If I didn’t have routines , I’d be in a mental hospital 😂.   That’s how much I rely on them.  So yes. Adding in a new habit isn’t hard once I do it a day or two.  
 

no I don’t have a clue on the breakdowns. But I can absolutely figure that out and track it. 

[capking]

I used it for a couple months, mostly for recovery and sleep. I stopped because the actual whoop would irritate my skin if I used it for too long on the same spot. I would end up switching which wrist I used but it became a bit much and I stopped. 

[aenemated]

I'm wearing one right now and have for close to 6 months at this point.

 

And agree with what most everyone is saying. The data's cool to look at but it doesn't tell me anything that isn't obvious. 

 

They put out an update a while back that bricked it for me because it apparently didn't work over tattoos. When I hit up support about this, their initial solution was "wear it somewhere that isn't over tattoos." I was like "Yeah, see, that's gonna be practically impossible." 😂

Edited June 5, 2022 by aenemated

[puresurfr]

Im using a Garmin Epix 2 to monitor my health.  It seems to do a lot of the same things that Whoop does but without the monthly subscription and a dded bonus is the Golf GPS.

 

As for feeling run down, perhaps u have a Vitamin deficiency ???

[NJBigFish22]

I don’t think your doctors are telling you the truth.  If this is happening once a month, there is something up.  If your always thirsty, you may be pre diabetic, type 2 or something else.  It’s probably not something major.  I only say this cause this is what my symptoms where when diagnosed.  If this only happens an days you push yourself, then maybe it is as simple as eating and hydrating more.  Again, just my opinion, not a doctor and didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn.

[Jc0]

4 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Been wearing one for about 2 1/2 weeks now. 
the idea came because of my strenuous habits , vs my sometimes crash prone self . I can get these episodes where I am going along fine and then suddenly boom.  I’m shaking , speech is slow and mental clarity is gone.  Usually eating some protein or non sweets and sitting down will clear it up.  This is about a once a month thing.  Maybe more often if I don’t eat lunch on time.  I’ve been checked out 4 times now , and given a clear bill of health each time.  
 

 

i want to see if I can track and predict when these events may occur and  head them off. Since apparently doctors are just going to shrug it off as “ you’re better than 99 % of the 42 year olds I see , nothing wrong with you “. 
 

I just wondered if anyone else used one , and if there maybe some features or tricks you find particularly useful? 

 

So I have something similar happen and I think it has to do with how you body transitions from burning carbs to burning fat and how it affects blood sugar levels. Your body burns carbs first, once it's done with carbs starts to burning fat but that transition isn't always smooth, so it makes sense this happens when you haven't eaten. I tend to notice it happen a lot more when I'm on diet and the transition happens during the day. The only way to I avoid it is I make sure I eat every two hours and the snacks are more protein heavy. 

 

It also happens to me during intense exercise because I burn through glycogen reserves. Usually have to have something like a cliff or Snickers bar to get my body to start acting normal again if I want to keep going. 

 

I have a whoop and it won't help with this. 

Edited June 5, 2022 by Jc0

[bladehunter]

15 minutes ago, Jc0 said:

 

So I have something similar happen and I think it has to do with how you body transitions from burning carbs to burning fat and how it affects blood sugar levels. Your body burns carbs first, once it's done with carbs starts to burning fat but that transition isn't always smooth, so it makes sense this happens when you haven't eaten. I tend to notice it happen a lot more when I'm on diet and the transition happens during the day. The only way to I avoid it is I make sure I eat every two hours and the snacks are more protein heavy. 

 

It also happens to me during intense exercise because I burn through glycogen reserves. Usually have to have something like a cliff or Snickers bar to get my body to start acting normal again if I want to keep going. 

 

I have a whoop and it won't help with this. 

Yes.  Through trial and error I’ve learned to do the same.  I always have a couple granola bars or a pack of orange peanut butter crackers on me. I keep them in my truck , and in my shop cabinet.  And in my golf bag.    Everytime i mention that people jump to the “ diabetic “ topic.  But at the behest of the wife , I’ve been checked out top to bottom several times and am not in any way diabetic. 
 

the other oddity to me is that on days of heavy Strain.  I can go well into the afternoon without a crash.  Usually no crash as long as I eat before I settle down.  But the most common crash scenario is a day off. If I go out in the morning with my wife , and don’t eat before 1130 or so , I’ll 100 % have an episode. And the most I’ll be doing is driving or walking in a store.   I agree that the answer seems to be eating more often and starting early.  But it’s always been curiosity to me on why this counterintuitive thing happens?  
 

agree on the whoop thing not really helping with the crash thing here. I’m just trying to get a handle on “ me” as a whole and I do like it’s sleep help so I’ll probably keep it. I received a year subscription from my wife for our anniversary ( I asked for it ) so it’s done for that long anyway.  

[TiScape]

2 hours ago, aenemated said:

I'm wearing one right now and have for close to 6 months at this point.

 

And agree with what most everyone is saying. The data's cool to look at but it doesn't tell me anything that isn't obvious. 

 

They put out an update a while back that bricked it for me because it apparently didn't work over tattoos. When I hit up support about this, their initial solution was "wear it somewhere that isn't over tattoos." I was like "Yeah, see, that's gonna be practically impossible." 😂

I thought of one spot, but the band is most likely waaaay too big 😉 

Edited June 5, 2022 by TiScape

[bladehunter]

2 hours ago, puresurfr said:

Im using a Garmin Epix 2 to monitor my health.  It seems to do a lot of the same things that Whoop does but without the monthly subscription and a dded bonus is the Golf GPS.

 

As for feeling run down, perhaps u have a Vitamin deficiency ???

 

1 hour ago, NJBigFish22 said:

I don’t think your doctors are telling you the truth.  If this is happening once a month, there is something up.  If your always thirsty, you may be pre diabetic, type 2 or something else.  It’s probably not something major.  I only say this cause this is what my symptoms where when diagnosed.  If this only happens an days you push yourself, then maybe it is as simple as eating and hydrating more.  Again, just my opinion, not a doctor and didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn.

Could be A vitamin deficiency, don’t know.  
 

 

once a month , could be once a day if I don’t eat on time. Not many days when I’m not pushing myself.  
 

I specifically asked to be evaluated for diabetes.  Had a huge discussion and was literally told “ there’s nothing wrong with you “  main thing they point to is my consistent resting heart rate of 60-63bpm.   Whoop has it posted at 62 right now .  I’m absolutely not a doctor either. But from what they claimed , it’s near impossible to not have an elevated heartbeat if you’re pre-diabetic. ? all other levels always checkout as long as I’ve fasted for blood work etc. 
 

thirst has been that way since I can remember. Small child.  I sweat a lot.  Ironically my hands don’t sweat at all they crack and dry out if anything which is hilarious to me since I play golf and don’t even need a glove.  I always assumed I needed to drink to put back the sweat?  

[rooski]

20 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

thirst has been that way since I can remember. Small child.  I sweat a lot.  Ironically my hands don’t sweat at all they crack and dry out if anything which is hilarious to me since I play golf and don’t even need a glove.  I always assumed I needed to drink to put back the sweat?  

 

When you've gotten checked out by the docs have they done a blood test to check your electrolyte levels?

 

If you're sweating a ton your electrolytes may be getting out of whack

Edited June 5, 2022 by rooski

[596]

OP. I'm not a doc, didn't even stay at a holiday inn.  But 

 

I'm 6' 3" 210.  My resting

HR can easily be 48.  Very very active.  I was an endurance athlete for over 22 years. I have to monitor my BP.  When standing or sitting quickly I can get very dizzy.  After a hard workout I have to be careful as my BP can fall to dangerous levels and I feel terrible until it recovers. After a good bike ride the other day I sat for a minute and my BP was 90 over 55.  I can feel when it's low, and I feel terrible.  My doctor says I'm fine!  

 

By the way. If I drank as much water as you, I'd float away! 

 

 

 

[Jc0]

1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

Yes.  Through trial and error I’ve learned to do the same.  I always have a couple granola bars or a pack of orange peanut butter crackers on me. I keep them in my truck , and in my shop cabinet.  And in my golf bag.    Everytime i mention that people jump to the “ diabetic “ topic.  But at the behest of the wife , I’ve been checked out top to bottom several times and am not in any way diabetic. 
 

the other oddity to me is that on days of heavy Strain.  I can go well into the afternoon without a crash.  Usually no crash as long as I eat before I settle down.  But the most common crash scenario is a day off. If I go out in the morning with my wife , and don’t eat before 1130 or so , I’ll 100 % have an episode. And the most I’ll be doing is driving or walking in a store.   I agree that the answer seems to be eating more often and starting early.  But it’s always been curiosity to me on why this counterintuitive thing happens?  
 

agree on the whoop thing not really helping with the crash thing here. I’m just trying to get a handle on “ me” as a whole and I do like it’s sleep help so I’ll probably keep it. I received a year subscription from my wife for our anniversary ( I asked for it ) so it’s done for that long anyway.  

 

What are you doing that if heavy strain? What I realized if that if I don't eat breakfast everything is fine. If I eat my body keeps wanting more food. The types of exercise can change things though.

[bladehunter]

2 hours ago, rooski said:

 

When you've gotten checked out by the docs have they done a blood test to check your electrolyte levels?

 

If you're sweating a ton your electrolytes may be getting out of whack

I’m not sure if they checked that or not. It doesn’t ring a bell.  But I will get my wife to check the lab papers and see or it lists them. Thanks for the idea.  

[ChipStrokes]

perhaps a touchy subject @bladehunter but have you had your doctor check your T levels?

 

low testosterone could be contributing to the sluggish, sleepy, “off” feelings you’ve been having. 

 

at your age, it’s a good thing to check anyway, and i’m sure you’d be a prime candidate for TRT 

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, Jc0 said:

 

What are you doing that if heavy strain? What I realized if that if I don't eat breakfast everything is fine. If I eat my body keeps wanting more food. The types of exercise can change things though.

Hmm. I used to never eat breakfast.  Last year it’s been part of the routine.  
 

kind of funny you said that. I made the comment several times that I now am hungrier at lunch time than before I started eating breakfast. 
 

What am I doing for heavy strain. Oh man. Day to day it can be many things.  A lot of time it’s  block sanding (by hand ) on body panels ( I build custom , and exotic cars for my main living ) …… this is really high cardio if done correctly.  It’s a 12-24 inch long board , so both hands together usually in criss cross patterns. Then assembly after paint.  Pretty labor intensive at times , and I do it all in house.  Paint , upholstery, engines etc. 
   then there’s any number or heavy things to push or move , loading unloading trucks , then we get to the farm work.
 

 I tend 49 acres mostly by myself.  At one time I had my father  in law and his brother. But both are pushing or in their early 80s.  And have become more liability than help.  There’s 22 acres planted with various things at the moment.  Most of it is now up to Mother Nature at this point in the year , but still will be harvest time in stages in a couple months .   we do it all organic , and sell some and use some.     In short. I’ll be behind whne I die , whether that’s next week or 50 years from  now. 

[bladehunter]

33 minutes ago, ChipStrokes said:

perhaps a touchy subject @bladehunter but have you had your doctor check your T levels?

 

low testosterone could be contributing to the sluggish, sleepy, “off” feelings you’ve been having. 

 

at your age, it’s a good thing to check anyway, and i’m sure you’d be a prime candidate for TRT 

No I haven’t. Recently. The only time was in my early 30s and it was high end then.  Checked for different reasons.    But I have had the thought again. .  No worries. Doesn’t bother me , I have no issue accepting reality of life’s timetable.  I’d be happy for it to be an easy fix.    Definitely worth checking out. 

[Shilgy]

9 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Been wearing one for about 2 1/2 weeks now. 
the idea came because of my strenuous habits , vs my sometimes crash prone self . I can get these episodes where I am going along fine and then suddenly boom.  I’m shaking , speech is slow and mental clarity is gone.  Usually eating some protein or non sweets and sitting down will clear it up.  This is about a once a month thing.  Maybe more often if I don’t eat lunch on time.  I’ve been checked out 4 times now , and given a clear bill of health each time.  
 

 

i want to see if I can track and predict when these events may occur and  head them off. Since apparently doctors are just going to shrug it off as “ you’re better than 99 % of the 42 year olds I see , nothing wrong with you “. 
 

I just wondered if anyone else used one , and if there maybe some features or tricks you find particularly useful? 

This will fix you right up.😎 (sorry could not resist)

 

[Jc0]

33 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Hmm. I used to never eat breakfast.  Last year it’s been part of the routine.  
 

kind of funny you said that. I made the comment several times that I now am hungrier at lunch time than before I started eating breakfast. 
 

What am I doing for heavy strain. Oh man. Day to day it can be many things.  A lot of time it’s  block sanding (by hand ) on body panels ( I build custom , and exotic cars for my main living ) …… this is really high cardio if done correctly.  It’s a 12-24 inch long board , so both hands together usually in criss cross patterns. Then assembly after paint.  Pretty labor intensive at times , and I do it all in house.  Paint , upholstery, engines etc. 
   then there’s any number or heavy things to push or move , loading unloading trucks , then we get to the farm work.
 

 I tend 49 acres mostly by myself.  At one time I had my father  in law and his brother. But both are pushing or in their early 80s.  And have become more liability than help.  There’s 22 acres planted with various things at the moment.  Most of it is now up to Mother Nature at this point in the year , but still will be harvest time in stages in a couple months .   we do it all organic , and sell some and use some.     In short. I’ll be behind whne I die , whether that’s next week or 50 years from  now. 

 

It sounds like your transition from burning carbs/glycogen to burning fat is just rough like it is for me. The no breakfast in the morning helps because you wake up already in a fat burning state because you don't eat over night. Once you eat you start burning carbs again so you may hit that transition if you don't eat enough during the morning. The other thing I would check is how many calories as well as protein you eat. For me I need a large amount of my morning calories to be protein or I'm hungry soon after.  Based on what you are describing you probably need close to 1000 calories at breakfast. If you aren't having that your probably bonking (see link) because you burn through all your glycogen but you're still being active.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/the-running-blog/2014/sep/25/bonk-run-long-distance-runner-athlete-beat

[bladehunter]

3 minutes ago, Jc0 said:

 

It sounds like your transition from burning carbs/glycogen to burning fat is just rough like it is for me. The no breakfast in the morning helps because you wake up already in a fat burning state because you don't eat over night. Once you eat you start burning carbs again so you may hit that transition if you don't eat enough during the morning. The other thing I would check is how many calories as well as protein you eat. For me I need a large amount of my morning calories to be protein or I'm hungry soon after.  Based on what you are describing you probably need close to 1000 calories at breakfast. If you aren't having that your probably bonking (see link) because you burn through all your glycogen but you're still being active.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/the-running-blog/2014/sep/25/bonk-run-long-distance-runner-athlete-beat

I’m going to read up on this !  You’re describing what I am feeling.  And always have felt.  
 

 

if I get up and have grits , toast , 3 eggs and a meat ( sausage , bacon or steak ) that’s the meal that I absolutely feel best with.  1000 % if I’m out of whack that will fix it.  Is that enough protein to overcome what you’re describing? 
 

my current breakfast is of convenience. Oatmeal , with an apple cut up in it , and a bagel. Just butter.   And I’m a habitual eater.  By that I mean I eat the same thing every  meal.   For months on end.  Evening meal is usually my variety , and most protein as it’s The only meal  I don’t eat alone.  ( family is home from the day).      I can change the habit if there’s a need. No problem.   

[Jc0]

13 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I’m going to read up on this !  You’re describing what I am feeling.  And always have felt.  
 

 

if I get up and have grits , toast , 3 eggs and a meat ( sausage , bacon or steak ) that’s the meal that I absolutely feel best with.  1000 % if I’m out of whack that will fix it.  Is that enough protein to overcome what you’re describing? 
 

my current breakfast is of convenience. Oatmeal , with an apple cut up in it , and a bagel. Just butter.   And I’m a habitual eater.  By that I mean I eat the same thing every  meal.   For months on end.  Evening meal is usually my variety , and most protein as it’s The only meal  I don’t eat alone.  ( family is home from the day).      I can change the habit if there’s a need. No problem.   

 

 

Close. I'm similar size 6'4 225 and work out heavy 4-6 days a week. I have to start with 50g of protein at breakfast to not be starving like an hour later and even then I have another heavy protein snack (20g) about 2-3 hours after breakfast. 

 

If I have what you are currently eating I will feel horrible two hours later and usually end up having to eat a ton of food to make it go away. If you have a small breakfast I would suggest it be high protein, low carb as protein is a much slower burn (so is fat). I usually have my first high carb item as my snack between breakfast and lunch but still have a high protein item with it. If you need it quick, they make high protein oatmeal and protein bars (I like quest and pure) that should get you a decent amount start the days. Also I would avoid the apple at breakfast since it burns off quick because it's just 90% sugar. If feels filling because of the water content but it doesn't stick with you. I would have it as a snack between breakfast and lunch. 

Edited June 5, 2022 by Jc0

[bladehunter]

22 minutes ago, Jc0 said:

 

Close. I'm similar size 6'4 225 and work out heavy 4-6 days a week. I have to start with 50g of protein at breakfast to not be starving like an hour later and even then I have another heavy protein snack (20g) about 2-3 hours after breakfast. 

 

If I have what you are currently eating I will feel horrible two hours later and usually end up having to eat a ton of food to make it go away. If you have a small breakfast I would suggest it be high protein, low carb as protein is a much slower burn (so is fat). I usually have my first high carb item as my snack between breakfast and lunch but still have a high protein item with it. If you need it quick, they make high protein oatmeal and protein bars (I like quest and pure) that should get you a decent amount start the days. Also I would avoid the apple at breakfast since it burns off quick because it's just 90% sugar. If feels filling because of the water content but it doesn't stick with you. I would have it as a snack between breakfast and lunch. 

Thanks. I’m going to change it up in the morning then , as you’re describing exactly how I feel . 
 

I’ll just skip the trial and error and start at 50g of protein for breakfast this week and see what happens.   

[Mono]

i've been a whoop user for 6 months now - i mostly got mine to see how i am sleeping - i think it's a great device for helping to create better habits not only around sleep but eating/ working out, if you want better whoop scores you figure out how to do it

 

these wearables are pretty incredible, i'm not a doctor but what you are describing sounds more like blood sugar levels - if you are working with a Dr on this problem you could ask for a prescription for a blood glucose monitoring device - Dexcom is one that i have heard of people using - it's a wearable that you stick on and it will send your info to your phone/ app,  you might have better luck pinpointing the cause/ effect with this rather than the whoop - or even ruling out food/ blood glucose as an issue - while i think these devices are mainly targeted towards diabetes there are a lot of uses for people that don't have it

 

regular 20 scores for strain are pretty high - tracking this score before/ after these incidences would probably be helpful

 

for hydration - if you pee clear (in general) you are hydrated - yellow or dark yellow - less so