*Graphite Design Lovers Anonymous* Tour AD UB vs IZ vs XC and NOW vs TP! ...and HD....and VR

[70sinsight]

4 hours ago, R_Swanson said:

Out of curiosity, was the XC a TX?

It was. 7TX.

[Insidious2]

I'm confused - i figured based on the naming conventions that the XC would be the highest launch but lowest spin option; however, the fitting chart says the XC is the lowest launch and lowest spin? And that the IZ and DI are the highest launch/low spin options?

[R_Swanson]

4 hours ago, GoTime said:

I'm confused - i figured based on the naming conventions that the XC would be the highest launch but lowest spin option; however, the fitting chart says the XC is the lowest launch and lowest spin? And that the IZ and DI are the highest launch/low spin options?

Should probably go off the chart, and not your assumption of the naming conventions. 😀

 

This is another good thread on the differentiators between the shafts.

 

[R_Swanson]

5 hours ago, 70sinsight said:

It was. 7TX.

Interesting.  I dont have that issue with the XC - I fight spin as well - but I dont swing as fast as you, and that triple diamond was not the head for me, so I never hit it with an XC.  I love how the XC feels, I have it in my driver.  The UB felt a little boardy to me as well.  The DI is fine for me, I have it in a 5 wood and U500, but even a little more feel in the handle would be perfect.  But I hit those clubs well, so I cant complain. 

Edited March 7, 2023 by R_Swanson

[70sinsight]

55 minutes ago, R_Swanson said:

Interesting.  I dont have that issue with the XC - I fight spin as well - but I dont swing as fast as you, and that triple diamond was not the head for me, so I never hit it with an XC.  I love how the XC feels, I have it in my driver.  The UB felt a little boardy to me as well.  The DI is fine for me, I have it in a 5 wood and U500, but even a little more feel in the handle would be perfect.  But I hit those clubs well, so I cant complain. 

The XC to me felt similar to my 1KO. The UB definitely does not, but the numbers seem too good to pass up.

[Haber]

Happy I’m not the only one going through a GD phase. Currently gaming an AD XC 6x in my TSi2 and am loving the feel. Usually get along with blue profiles and have played the TR blue and ventus red before this. Also gamed an OG AD DI back in the day with great success. 
 

For some reason the soft handle in the XC just works and it produces a nice mid flight and just wants to go straight.
 

I have an AD TP coming in a paradym triple diamond that I can’t wait to test either. Figured I would go with something a little higher launching considering the lower spin and launch from the paradym. From what I’ve read the TP should fit quite well and if not I can easily plug in the XC.

[Insidious2]

What should one expect to pay on the aftermarker for a Black ADDI 6X or TX? Want to put one into my TSR4. Currently playing UB 6X in my TSR2 fairway. Probably opt for the 6x in driver.

 

Would the ADDI feel softer/more active than the UB 6x?

[minhjn]

4 hours ago, GoTime said:

What should one expect to pay on the aftermarker for a Black ADDI 6X or TX? Want to put one into my TSR4. Currently playing UB 6X in my TSR2 fairway. Probably opt for the 6x in driver.

 

Would the ADDI feel softer/more active than the UB 6x?

$150-200 depending on the market I’d say. 
 

I think the DI kicks more than the UB

[R_Swanson]

3 minutes ago, minhjn said:

$150-200 depending on the market I’d say. 
 

I think the DI kicks more than the UB

 

Does the black carry a premium?  Orange one should be in that range, maybe 225 if you need one ASAP and get unlucky with timing.

[dhen9]

It seems like GD has so many shafts that do near the same thing I'd really like some help. How different (I don't they will be at all) is the TP vs. VR. In the 6S they weight the same, have same torque and GD site says mid/high launch and low spin. 

TP Firm>Firm>Stiff

VR Firm+>Med+>Firm

 

To a layman it seems the TP will play stiffer and launch/spin numbers also lower than VR. Am I thinking right?

[Hoyoymac]

6 hours ago, dhen9 said:

It seems like GD has so many shafts that do near the same thing I'd really like some help. How different (I don't they will be at all) is the TP vs. VR. In the 6S they weight the same, have same torque and GD site says mid/high launch and low spin. 

TP Firm>Firm>Stiff

VR Firm+>Med+>Firm

 

To a layman it seems the TP will play stiffer and launch/spin numbers also lower than VR. Am I thinking right?

I’m playing the VR 6S in driver, DI 7S in 3 wood and TP 8S in 7 wood.

 

Started with the DI in 3 wood and it was so good that I had to try it in driver.  Just wasn’t the same.  Tried IZ, MT and VR next and VR was the best for me in driver.

 

They are just different enough with the addition of the faster taper and newer materials like the T1100 & M40X to change things.  Especially changing the feel.

 

You just don’t know what is going to be the best fit until you try it.

[Dr.Potat]

7 hours ago, dhen9 said:

It seems like GD has so many shafts that do near the same thing I'd really like some help. How different (I don't they will be at all) is the TP vs. VR. In the 6S they weight the same, have same torque and GD site says mid/high launch and low spin. 

TP Firm>Firm>Stiff

VR Firm+>Med+>Firm

 

To a layman it seems the TP will play stiffer and launch/spin numbers also lower than VR. Am I thinking right?

Based on the shaft specs and what I’ve heard from other experiences, that is correct. The VR should have more of a loading feel to it as well. There is a link to a previous topic a few posts up on this page that has a great visualization of the comparison of all the different GD DI shafts.  

[dwboston]

For all of the questions about the GD shafts and how they compare to each other, GD puts out a handy table that compares the shafts on tip/middle/handle stiffness and launch/spin relative to each other.

 

2023-Wood-Shaft-Bend-Profile-Chart.pdf

Edited March 12, 2023 by dwboston

[ob1soccer]

so Far after 36 holes at Montauk Downs today, Drivers only

 

1st place AD-DI 

2nd place AD-HD

3rd place- Kaili Blue

4th place- DIamana S+

5th place- Hzrdus Silver

6th place- Hzrdus Black

7th place- Kaili Red

 

I have issues FYI

 

 

 

[Hookasaurus Rex]

5 hours ago, ob1soccer said:

so Far after 36 holes at Montauk Downs today, Drivers only

 

1st place AD-DI 

2nd place AD-HD

3rd place- Kaili Blue

4th place- DIamana S+

5th place- Hzrdus Silver

6th place- Hzrdus Black

7th place- Kaili Red

 

I have issues FYI

 

 

 

I see no issues, lol… If you look at my sig, it seems we like the same driver shafts.  I also have a Paradym triple Diamond paired with a TP 6x on the way. It never ends…

[ob1soccer]

this site makes me realize I am not alone. I tried the DI yesterday in my 3 wood and liked it alot, so we are similar. The GT is definitely something I want to demo. Did u try the GT in a 3 wood? 

Funny because i have the Paradym x, TD and want to compare to the TSR2

[third-times-a-charm]

2 hours ago, ob1soccer said:

this site makes me realize I am not alone. I tried the DI yesterday in my 3 wood and liked it alot, so we are similar. The GT is definitely something I want to demo. Did u try the GT in a 3 wood? 

Funny because i have the Paradym x, TD and want to compare to the TSR2

GT is an old old model that didnt really get any attention - even less so than models like the MT and MJ back in 2016. I havent tried it yet.

[ob1soccer]

5 hours ago, third-times-a-charm said:

GT is an old old model that didnt really get any attention - even less so than models like the MT and MJ back in 2016. I havent tried it yet.

sorry i am in so many threads im confusing them, I was talking about the new Diamana GT. Was wondering if that is worth a shot

[semarlor]

Well I was all Fuji until you guys got me going...I have an XC 7x on the way in a TSR3 and just put a BB 8x in a Stealth 2 Plus 3 wood. 2 rounds with the BB and I'm sold. Played a DI 8x for years but this one will be sticking around for a while. 

[hagimihale]

I just added a TSR2+ to the bag - got a deal on BST .  XC is one of my GOAT shafts, and I have one in 7X (titleist driver adapter) in the garage.

 

But I also have a BB 7S that I wasn't using.  Swapped the driver adapter for a fairway adapter, and had them cut it down to 43" playing length.  Initial thoughts after a trackman session at GG are all-systems-go.  Playing a course this Sunday where driver is too much on quite a few holes, so methinks the 2+ will see a lot of time off the tee...

[Hookasaurus Rex]

On 3/17/2023 at 6:24 AM, ob1soccer said:

this site makes me realize I am not alone. I tried the DI yesterday in my 3 wood and liked it alot, so we are similar. The GT is definitely something I want to demo. Did u try the GT in a 3 wood? 

Funny because i have the Paradym x, TD and want to compare to the TSR2

Didn’t try the Diamana GT in 3 wood.  I love it in Driver though.

Edited March 18, 2023 by Hookasaurus Rex

[ob1soccer]

38 minutes ago, Hookasaurus Rex said:

Didn’t try the Diamana GT in 3 wood.  I love it in Driver though.

how do u like the Vr in that hybrid? I am looking for hybrid shaft also

[nitram]

19 hours ago, ob1soccer said:

I was talking about the new Diamana GT. Was wondering if that is worth a shot

Yes it is. It's a little stouter than the ZF. I went back to the ZF in my 7WD but it was purely a trst/familiarity thing more than anything else. FWIW I'm building a DI 7TX for a TSi 13.5, just to see how it turns out.

[ob1soccer]

how do u like the ZF in your 7 wood

[Hookasaurus Rex]

12 hours ago, ob1soccer said:

how do u like the Vr in that hybrid? I am looking for hybrid shaft also

I like it. Great launch and feel.  If I was doing it again, I’d probably go 8S instead of 7S.

[nitram]

19 hours ago, ob1soccer said:

how do u like the ZF in your 7 wood

I like it. But as Phizzy said in the "GT Thread" the ZF is a little easier to turn over and I get a little more launch.

 

@third-times-a-charm thanks for a great thread and not trying to thread jack. cheers

[phizzy30]

On 3/7/2023 at 11:24 AM, 70sinsight said:

The XC to me felt similar to my 1KO. The UB definitely does not, but the numbers seem too good to pass up.

1K TPO seemed to have more feel to me than the XC ever did.  UB is very smooth like the 1K TPO, IMO but my dispersion was horrible.  Had a harder time turning the ball over with the UB as well compared to the other shafts mentioned.  Otherwise a highly underrated shaft. 

Edited March 19, 2023 by phizzy30

[70sinsight]

37 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

1K TPO seemed to have more feel to me than the XC ever did.  UB is very smooth like the 1K TPO, IMO but my dispersion was horrible.  Had a harder time turning the ball over with the UB as well compared to the other shafts mentioned.  Otherwise a highly underrated shaft. 

It's funny how one shaft can feel so different to an individual. I went with the UB specifically because it was harder for me to turn over. I'm at the point where I'm fast enough and hit it long enough that I don't need (and never really did need) draw spin. Gets me in trouble more often than the cut ever does.

[s1ten]

On 3/5/2023 at 11:20 AM, JamesG12 said:

For those that love the IZ… is there a ventus shaft you’ve gotten along with as well? A bunch of fitters have told me it’s the ventus blue but just curious as to real world opinions. Thanks!

Played the IZ for 3 seasons, in a M5 then the Stealth,  Its a great shaft.  I think I sold it out of boredom when I went to a ST Rogue TD.  I currently using a DI in my TSR3 driver and loving it!  More alive than the IZ but, it just works.  Looking to try a DI 7s or X in my TSR2 16.5. 

 

Edited March 19, 2023 by s1ten

[sadclevelandsports]

After some testing between IZ 6x and 7x, will be keeping the 7. Has all the great things about the 6, but I feel a bit more in control of the swing. Cant really appreciate a weight difference. Same flight and spin, just more confidence.

 

Since I re-stumbled on this thread a month ago, have gone from owning no GD to purchasing and testing 4 GD shafts, two are now cemented in the bag for the time being. My wife absolutely loves seeing golf packages. Thanks guys.

 

Now if someone will sell me a DI or a TP 8x, the circle will be complete.