LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[idrive]

It's a dark day

 

Thanks for messen everything up Greg.

[Hardluckster]

9 minutes ago, hackeraz said:

I thought this topic was actually moderated? Sad to see this reads like a reddit post trafficked by teenagers that contribute nothing more than tripe and insults. Would have thought a golf community was a bit more grown up than that. 

There's good discussion here, but also a lot of garbage.

 

There are those on both sides of the issue who can only "discuss" by insulting and ridiculing the opposition. It's a lot like reading a political message board in that aspect. 

 

I read every post but simply ignore those which are here simply to belittle the tours, the players, or people who are posting opposing views. 

 

The previous thread, which is now closed, was moderated. 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Hardluckster

[gsrjc]

13 minutes ago, pingbling23 said:

He’s holding a presser at 615 from Memphis.

I see. 

[MtlJeff]

7 minutes ago, johnseg said:

We have all these reports but not a single quote from Smith. If you are going go. Winning of the PGA Tour obviously means nothing to him if the reports are correct so why stay.

 

I think it was mentioned he had a press conference today. I imagine about this.

 

I don't know, his career earnings are 24M and if the report is accurate he just signed a contract worth 4 times that, probably for 3-4 years only. It's hard to say no i imagine. That's a lot of guac

[hackeraz]

5 minutes ago, jgonz69 said:

Is that from your 4 months being a member and 54 total posts?

sounds like you are just looking to be offended by something

Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point. 

[Soloman1]

19 minutes ago, forrester_fire said:

No business allows their employees or contractors to simultaneously hold employ with a competitor. Period.

 

I agree.

 

However, your logic in this case has a fundamental flaw. The PGA Tour is not a business and cannot take any action to stifle “competition.” It does not have market share.

 

The self-proclaimed purpose of the PGA Tour in its IRS filing as a 501(c)(6) non-profit is to promote golf worldwide for professional golfers. (Period.)

 

 

 

[johnseg]

2 minutes ago, MtlJeff said:

 

I think it was mentioned he had a press conference today. I imagine about this.

 

I don't know, his career earnings are 24M and if the report is accurate he just signed a contract worth 4 times that, probably for 3-4 years only. It's hard to say no i imagine. That's a lot of guac

Why stay through the FEDEX Cup? Maybe more money potential. If he has signed with LIV I hope they suspend him and Leishman both before Thursday. Too cake and eating it.

[MtlJeff]

6 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

 

I agree.

 

However, your logic in this case has a fundamental flaw. The PGA Tour is not a business and cannot take any action to stifle “competition.” It does not have market share.

 

The self-proclaimed purpose of the PGA Tour in its IRS filing as a 501(c)(6) non-profit is to promote golf worldwide for professional golfers. (Period.)

 

 

 

 

thanks for that!

 

I mentioned a while back that i imagined the lawsuits probably related to how the tour was classified in their filing....I imagine this is the crux of the argument.

 

As silly as it may look to us, legally the lawsuit might make sense

[aus10KC]

23 minutes ago, mokedaddy said:

Yeah.  I never realized people would jump to domestic abuse and cover up and nefarious activity.  I shouldn’t have even responded to the one guy lol.

 

You ended up explaining yourself, it was a fair explanation and even gave you a like for it. You throw out what you did, people are going to be curious.

 

 

 

 

[pingbling23]

Golf channel making the argument that LIV players shouldn’t play in the fed ex playoffs and potentially take money from the other tour players.  These LIV players have helped raise the money for the playoffs and have earned a spot in the playoff.

Edited August 9, 2022 by pingbling23

[jdl]

2 minutes ago, johnseg said:

Why stay through the FEDEX Cup? Maybe more money potential. If he has signed with LIV I hope they suspend him and Leishman both before Thursday. Too cake and eating it.

May be his best chance to get world ranking points for a while. Though he doesn't really need them as he's exempt into the majors for a while. But it would help the LIV event strength of field.

[lowndes]

Any update on how the proceedings are going?  I just got out of a meeting and they are at maximum capacity.

[mokedaddy]

2 minutes ago, aus10KC said:

 

You ended up explaining yourself, it was a fair explanation and even gave you a like for it. You throw out what you did, people are going to be curious.

 

 

 

 

Thanks.  I wasn’t trying to single you out either it was just an example given.  I tried to choose my words carefully but apparently did not succeed in that lol

Edited August 9, 2022 by mokedaddy

[NMBob]

judge seems to question that the immediate suspension authority voids the stay in the way the pga tour articles are written .   but judge saying if there is no irreparable harm ...

 

plaintiffs lawyers making last statements now...( i think)

[the bishop]

2 minutes ago, EastTNGolfer said:

I hope they don't suspend him before the FEDEX cup but it would not surprise me with how the PGA Tour is acting.

I wouldn't expect it to be any different than the first players that went.  It was known beforehand they were going but they weren't suspended until they hit a shot.  Smith could back out of his deal theoretically but I wouldn't expect him to.  But I think once he hits his first LIV shot he'll be suspended.

[jdl]

2 minutes ago, lowndes said:

Any update on how the proceedings are going?  I just got out of a meeting and they are at maximum capacity.

 

[Krt22]

6 minutes ago, MtlJeff said:

 

thanks for that!

 

I mentioned a while back that i imagined the lawsuits probably related to how the tour was classified in their filing....I imagine this is the crux of the argument.

 

As silly as it may look to us, legally the lawsuit might make sense

But LIV is a business, how does a for profit business sue a non-profit for anti-trust violations, when that business is already providing bountiful compensation to its newly contracted employees. 

[Wasted_Talent]

3 minutes ago, lowndes said:

Any update on how the proceedings are going?  I just got out of a meeting and they are at maximum capacity.

According to the Katrek show, the defense got the judge to say that she could see the tour suing LIV for being a monopoly.  Now clue what that means.

[hackeraz]

16 minutes ago, Hardluckster said:

There's good discussion here, but also a lot of garbage.

 

There are those on both sides of the issue who can only "discuss" by insulting and ridiculing the opposition. It's a lot like reading a political message board in that aspect. 

 

I read every post but simply ignore those which are here simply to belittle the tours, the players, or people who are posting opposing views. 

 

The previous thread, which is now closed, was moderated. 

Well said and I appreciate all the solid contributions going on in here as I've found in my amazing four months this to be the best place for content. Now I just need to find out where the ignore button is and I'll be all set. 

[Ezgolfer]

3 hours ago, EastTNGolfer said:

I just think it's ridiculous how they are going about it. No reason players can't play on both tours. It only hurts the viewers. They need to get off their high horse.

Yeah that is ridiculous. No reason why all PGA tour players could not play on LiV…

[00steven]

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[NMBob]

15 minute break at 3:04, and then she , the judge , will rule

[CasualLie]

45 minutes ago, jdl said:

PGA lawyers getting their turn.

 

So far the biggest point in favor of the plaintiffs seems to be that the tour rules allow a player to continue to play while they appeal a suspension.

 

Is the appeal process spelled out?  What's worse case scenario?  PGAT loses today, grants appeal for noon tomorrow, and by Wednesday night, sorry Gooch you lost your appeal.

[MtlJeff]

15 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

But LIV is a business, how does a for profit business sue a non-profit for anti-trust violations, when that business is already providing bountiful compensation to its newly contracted employees. 

 

Is LIV suing them or are individuals from the LIV suing them? Because that's a huge difference. I thought it was the players suing

[szaino]

Watching on the webinar

judge to rule after 15 minute recess.

 

Does not look good for LIV players

 

 

[Wasted_Talent]

1 minute ago, szaino said:

Watching on the webinar

judge to rule after 15 minute recess.

 

Does not look good for LIV players

 

 

 

I hope you are right, but I think it is granted.

[EastTNGolfer]

14 minutes ago, Ezgolfer said:

Yeah that is ridiculous. No reason why all PGA tour players could not play on LiV…

I'm sure some would decline, but yeah if they want to play both tours then why not?

[Krt22]

4 minutes ago, MtlJeff said:

 

Is LIV suing them or are individuals from the LIV suing them? Because that's a huge difference. I thought it was the players suing

It is the players, but those players are gainfully employed now, making more than they ever did on tour. Now they are suing for damages for not being able to play on a "non-profit" monopoly of a tour, when playing on that tour does not guarantee a paycheck, where as their current employer does. 

[bcc624]

The judges comment about the LIV contracts being more restrictive than the PGA Tour could have imagined!! My goodness!!