LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[deathbymuffin]

25 minutes ago, CasualLie said:

For the very few who are young and won a major (i.e. Cam Smith) maybe this works out well, get your $100M, then a few years later go back to the real competition.  But for most going to LIV is pretty much saying I just want to get paid and then I'm out.  Maybe that's Cam's idea as well, get his $100M then forget golf, just go fishing and drink cold ones...who knows with that guy.  Regardless, other stars are in the making and LIV players will be forgotten.

Cam admitted in his post-Open interview that it was laziness that had held him back in the past.  Doesn't surprise me that he's looking for a quick payday and then an early retirement.  Not everyone is built to grind forever.

Edited August 9, 2022 by deathbymuffin

[Holy Moses]

7 minutes ago, mitchl said:

phil is going to make WAY WAY more in LIV than he could make on the course.   
 

as for the loss of sponsorships, that may be in part of joining LIV, but I would think that he probably could have restructured those contracts…. But Phil made himself toxic,   And he spread that to his fellow LIVrs too.  
his comments and then his responses, burned both ends,   It put into question whether he is a good, loyal partner to his sponsors.   All of that is on Phil.  He likely could have worked with a PR person and got at least Callaway back…but instead he went totally quiet, and now just seems like a sad and different person.  
 

I was a Phil phan, but I wouldn’t want to sponsor him now.

Phil is getting $40 mil from LIV and he most likely is getting nothing more even if he wins. Phil lost $40 mil of sponsors. Do the math: if Phil won anything on the course on the PGA and Champions Tours and kept his sponsors by not going to LIV, he’d be making more money. Sure looks like Phil needed the cash now.

[getitdaily]

28 minutes ago, aenemated said:

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[myspinonit]

3 minutes ago, deathbymuffin said:

Cam admitted in his post-Open interview that it was laziness that had held him back in the past.  Doesn't surprise me that he's looking for a quick payday and then an early retirement.  Not everyone is built to grind for ever.

Echoes my thoughts exactly.

[Holy Moses]

20 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

So they’re paid a huge draw. Then they debit that draw back from “winnings “.  So they don’t win anything unless they go over the contract amount.  
 

no shot at points that way. None

LIV should just have given out $50 million purses compared to up front money if they wanted OWGR points and top players

[Hawkeye77]

24 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

Norman again assured Garcia that this would not be legally possible. 
 

“They cannot ban you for one day let alone life,” Norman texted. “It is a shallow threat”

 

https://nypost.com/2022/08/08/liv-golf-texts-between-greg-norman-and-sergio-garcia-revealed/amp/

“You can date my daughter forever my friend.”

[Krt22]

 

 

12 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

So has each LIV player been given all the trophies and they just give them back if they don't win? 😉

Who would have thought the "Golf, but Louder" tour turned into a big participation trophy circus lol.

[SLP1967]

so im not a legal minded person at all....

 

let's say Cameron Smith, Marc Leishman and Adam Scott all signed on to the LIV tour prior to the Open Championship with the intention of playing after the FedEx playoffs.  Would they have anyway out since they havent made a public announcement or played in a LIV event?

 

 

[Holy Moses]

Norman has already said this, but can’t LIV boot any of the weaker players off?

[jdl]

3 minutes ago, mitchl said:

Ramification questions of this LIV loss

 

1- does this impact people deciding to leave?   Now that it seems at least until the big case is adjudicated, there is no play on the PGA Tour.    And do these players take less value in what Norman and Phil say since this was rejected?

 

2- does it impact Augusta or the PGA (or the Opens) having LIVrs play those events.  (As for me, I hope winners keep their exemption, it seems unlikely any non- major winner will stay in the top 50 by April.

I don't know on #1, I think this was somewhat of a publicity stunt/attempted cash grab rather than a true attempt to stay on the PGA Tour. Except for Gooch, I think anyone who leaves knew/knows the consequences.

 

For #2 I agree the former champs should still play. But the stuff that came out in court today seems to really lessen the chance of LIV ever getting OWGR points without major changes, so maybe the majors decide that will be enough.

[Krt22]

 

10 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Phil is getting $40 mil from LIV and he most likely is getting nothing more even if he wins. Phil lost $40 mil of sponsors. Do the math: if Phil won anything on the course on the PGA and Champions Tours and kept his sponsors by not going to LIV, he’d be making more money. Sure looks like Phil needed the cash now.

Phil got 200M, he's fine

[GolfTurkey]

Looks an awful lot like a bunch of players blinded by money chose not to do their due diligence and put their faith in Norman, who in turn was blinded by a thirst for revenge on the PGA Tour (and money)...what could ever go wrong?

Edited August 9, 2022 by GolfTurkey

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[Holy Moses]

10 minutes ago, slprince67 said:

so im not a legal minded person at all....

 

let's say Cameron Smith, Marc Leishman and Adam Scott all signed on to the LIV tour prior to the Open Championship with the intention of playing after the FedEx playoffs.  Would they have anyway out since they havent made a public announcement or played in a LIV event?

 

 

Depends what their contract says. Even if you haven’t made it public, if you sign on the dotted line you are in. Did DJ and Bryson back out after signing and then come back in?

[lowndes]

11 minutes ago, slprince67 said:

so im not a legal minded person at all....

 

let's say Cameron Smith, Marc Leishman and Adam Scott all signed on to the LIV tour prior to the Open Championship with the intention of playing after the FedEx playoffs.  Would they have anyway out since they havent made a public announcement or played in a LIV event?

 

 

 

Depends on what the contracts states but they could be sued for breach of contract by LIV if they do indeed breach the contract.  With everything going on that would be a not good look for LIV though.  Not a situation I would want to be in that is for sure.  

[Krt22]

8 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Norman has already said this, but can’t LIV boot any of the weaker players off?

They already have, poor Andy Ogletree.  LIV spilled the beans that they structured players contracts based on potential loss of future earning potential. He didn't have a whole lot so he probably had a severance payoff per say and was sent packing. I bet he is looking for insurance to sell at this point

[MtlJeff]

1 hour ago, Krt22 said:

It is the players, but those players are gainfully employed now, making more than they ever did on tour. Now they are suing for damages for not being able to play on a "non-profit" monopoly of a tour, when playing on that tour does not guarantee a paycheck, where as their current employer does. 

 

I don't know that any of the above is relevant in regards to matters of law. As i mention to @Soloman1 , it seems silly and stupid to us, and in the business world i 100% agree that leaving your employer for a competitor and then demanding to work part-time for them seems hilarious....The pudding here is likely in how the PGA tour classifies themselves, they likely do not have the right to consider themselves a normal company under their non-profit status. Which likely has worked to their benefit many times prior to this but now is biting them in the behind

 

Keep in mind with all of the above, i am a moron. I don't know that any of it is true it just seems that might be what's going on

[Holy Moses]

9 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

 

Phil got 200M, he's fine

Of course he’s fine. My point is that if his sponsors don’t come back, he’s making less with LIV.

[Krt22]

3 minutes ago, GolfTurkey said:

Looks an awful lot like a bunch of players blinded by money chose not to do their due diligence and put their faith in Norman, who in turn was blinded by a thirst for revenge on the PGA Tour (and money)...what could ever go wrong?

Taking legal advice from a well known self-serving guy nicknamed The Shark ...what could possibly go wrong?

[Holy Moses]

15 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

 

 

Who would have thought the "Golf, but Louder" tour turned into a big participation trophy circus lol.

It’s super tough to get star golfers to come over without big money. Can’t have it both ways.

[jdl]

 

[Holy Moses]

LIV must have wanted to win the TRO and hoped that the PGA Tour would try to settle. There’s no way that LIV wants to be open to discovery. 

[Holy Moses]

I do find it hilarious if the three LIV golfers were camped out in front of TPC Southwind all the while trusting that Norman promised them they would win. Then they got the news.

[tiderider]

21 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Norman has already said this, but can’t LIV boot any of the weaker players off?

whoa ... gregory wouldn't do that! ... it's all about the best possible competition, brah ... 

[Holy Moses]

40 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Agree. Anyone who thought Greg didn’t have some shady omissions in his pocket is crazy. 
 

I’d cheer if this changed cams mind. 

Just like Norman lying about not knowing about throwing Shipnuck out of the first LIV press conference. Then photos emerge of Norman being right there. 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Holy Moses

[Krt22]

7 minutes ago, jdl said:

 

Interesting take, especially given the judges comments on how restrictive the LIV contracts are. It seems pretty clear LIV golf players are banned from playing in tour events if a LIV event is occurring at the same time (at the very least subject to forfeiting millions). Greg apparently thinks he is entitled to the entire dessert cart

[Holy Moses]

The PGA Tour needs a great next three weeks. They need to beat LIV in the courtroom and also have some superstars win not named Cam Smith.

[Holy Moses]

Gooch, Swafford, and Jones are now out of next year’s majors, right? 

[ahenderX]

45 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Which is why they were lying about it. Kiss your OWGR points goodbye. 
 

People wondering why Monahan banned players, this is why. Cam Smith might still go, but I don’t see any more big guys doing it especially after the inevitable OWGR points rejection.

New OWGR rules went into effect today which will reduce the number of points from tours, like the Asian Tour, which always have weak fields. They no longer get a guaranteed minimum point value for every tournament. It’s all based on the OWGR number for each player. *I think I explained this the way I heard it on Golf Channel.

[Wasted_Talent]

Did Cam officially announce he was going to LIV?