LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[BIG STU]

25 minutes ago, deathbymuffin said:

In that case, I can't wait for the inevitable LIV Golf/Forged in Fire collaboration, where amateur bladesmiths hand forge irons that will be played in a LIV Tour event.  The players won't mind since they've already been compensated for their participation in the exhibition.  Maybe even set up a makeshift forge at the course, so LIV fans can watch the irons of their favorite LIV characters being made in person.

I like your way of thinking but I do not think it will fly---- Not enough people these days know anything about forged blades to draw any interest. Ya know not everyone is as versed as us WRXers

[scotee]

4 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Agree. If he didn’t get as much or more as phil and more than DJ it’s a slap in his face. 
 

i have a gut feeling he either renegotiates or crawfishes back out of the LIV deal before the end of the playoffs. 
 

Can you imagine being world #2. And earning less than phil ? And more so , knowing that by the time your new league can possibly earn ranking points , that you’ll be playing against only guys ranked outside the top 200. Giving you zero chance of ever rising again 

 

Cameron, are you listening?

[FriedEgg]

isn't it fun to debate over millions that virtually NONE OF US have any access to or chance at ???  LOL

[betarhoalphadelta]

31 minutes ago, cristphoto said:

 

What if LIV scheduled their tournaments on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday?  Would that then be considered competing with the PGA Tour? 

 

From a "competing events" perspective, the language in the 2019-20 guidelines suggest that it is still considered a competing event, as it is based week-to-week. This of course is because practice days, media appearances, pro-am, etc are all wrapped into a tournament. 

[ahenderX]

The Times reports Cameron Young will join LIV after the FedEx Cup.

[Zitlow]

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. 

[Holy Moses]

29 minutes ago, 00steven said:

 

Have fun probably never playing in another major after next year

[Htk084]

30 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

I’m talking about the Reeds, DeChambeaus, Bubbas, and Phils of the PGA Tour

I know I’m just saying they will still get more players after the FedEx cup/presidents cup 

[CDM]

2 hours ago, jdl said:

I don't think he's actually violated the tour policy yet and with the impending trial you don't want to give the other side that kind of ammo.

 

Bubba's already signed and been announced, not suspend yet as he has yet to play on LIV because he's still rehabbing from injury. And he's costing another player a chance to earn his tour card. See this thread:

 

 

 

It is a sad situation but that is how the structure of the PGAT is. 

 

Honestly one could state that it hurts players like Chris but again that is the format/structure currently of the PGAT and as we have seen it not going to budge.  If they did it now it would set a precedence and that could hurt them in court. 

 

The PGAT players all state it "Dig it out of the dirt" is what we are about.  So the argument is Chris has not done enough yet to be on tour though he has the talent.   Chris is a good player and playing really well this season but it is the system that is set in stone.  

[Holy Moses]

Feherty’s interview was something. He admits it’s essentially about money. I’m sure the Saudis loved hearing that. But I just can’t believe he’ll be able to be as candid as he wants on LIV broadcasts. 

[jdl]

59 minutes ago, 00steven said:

 

Obviously trying to corner the Cam market.

[deathbymuffin]

32 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Have fun probably never playing in another major after next year

Yeah, this is a bit of an odd one.  A very young ascending player, but no wins on the PGA Tour.  No real status in the majors going forward (or is there something based on his top-10s this year).  I wonder what the LIV compensation is for a guy with those credentials and not much name recognition outside of hardcore fans.  

[betarhoalphadelta]

24 minutes ago, CDM said:

 

It is a sad situation but that is how the structure of the PGAT is. 

 

Honestly one could state that it hurts players like Chris but again that is the format/structure currently of the PGAT and as we have seen it not going to budge.  If they did it now it would set a precedence and that could hurt them in court. 

 

The PGAT players all state it "Dig it out of the dirt" is what we are about.  So the argument is Chris has not done enough yet to be on tour though he has the talent.   Chris is a good player and playing really well this season but it is the system that is set in stone.  

 

It's reminiscent of the Zalatoris situation last year. He was inside the top 30 points-wise but not eligible for the 2021 FedEx Cup Playoffs because he was only a special temporary PGA member--being in the top 30 didn't make him a full member until the 2021-2022 season started. 

 

To a degree that is dumb, and he earned a spot in the FedEx Cup Playoffs based on his play. But in order to grant him a spot, it would require changing rules in the middle of a season to handle one hard case, and that brings into questions the validity of the rules going forward. If you change them every time you want to make a popular exception, then they might as well not be rules at all. 

 

Same for Chris. It sucks that he's missing out only because Bubba, who is gone as soon as he tees it up for LIV which happens to be after the conclusion of the 2022-23 season, is still in the points list. 

 

Question: If Bubba resigned his PGA Tour membership between now and the end of the FedEx Cup playoffs, would that move Chris onto the right side of the line? If so, if Bubba had any integrity, he'd do it and publicly state he's doing it to make sure that someone isn't being excluded from the Tour he's turning his back on. 

[CDM]

1 hour ago, 00steven said:

 

 

Well that explains it, they had the wrong CAMERON the whole time 🤣

[pingbling23]

The two cams are big.  It will be interesting to see who all leaves after the fed ex.

[mitchl]

2 hours ago, cristphoto said:

 

What if LIV scheduled their tournaments on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday?  Would that then be considered competing with the PGA Tour? 

not many watching LIV now.   Not sure you want to drop that viewership number off a cliff.   But Monohan might like that idea 

[woodriff]

I must’ve missed something. Cam Smith has not officially announced he’s leaving, yet every major sports source indicate that he is, or has he announced ? I did check LIV stories and they indicated he inked a deal … and he still gets to play in the FedEx Cup? 

[wildcatden]

With all of these Cams headed to LIV, if there is anyone named Sprockets they are as good as gone also.

Edited August 10, 2022 by wildcatden

[Northsider]

Any Canadians know why the last LIV event was on CHCH? I nearly fell off my chair when I seen it on tv a few weeks ago.

[Holy Moses]

Sounds like Cam Young to LIV was a poorly sourced story. Not happening as of now.

[jdl]

 

[jdl]

43 minutes ago, CDM said:

 

Well that explains it, they had the wrong CAMERON the whole time 🤣

This post actually aged well.

[MtlJeff]

2 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Thanks for entertaining my reply. 
 

yes. That is a perspective I hadn’t considered. Mostly because I haven’t had a boss in 22 years …..but I can see that. Especially in a competitive corporate job where results are tangible.  
 

and in thinking back , I guess I can see 21 year old jacks flaws too. I certainly worked for Pennys while trying to get my business afloat.  Pennys and long hours.  42 year old jack isn’t capable of 7 day work weeks 10 hours or so a day. And certainly not for the same pay.   So point taken. 

 

No problem at all dude, honestly i enjoy talking about these things and getting different perspectives. I can totally see how a self employed person could view things differently. Not to get all macro-scale here but i wish people could have more conversations about controversial topics in general. Would probably see many of us aren't so different

[CDM]

15 minutes ago, betarhoalphadelta said:

 

It's reminiscent of the Zalatoris situation last year. He was inside the top 30 points-wise but not eligible for the 2021 FedEx Cup Playoffs because he was only a special temporary PGA member--being in the top 30 didn't make him a full member until the 2021-2022 season started. 

 

To a degree that is dumb, and he earned a spot in the FedEx Cup Playoffs based on his play. But in order to grant him a spot, it would require changing rules in the middle of a season to handle one hard case, and that brings into questions the validity of the rules going forward. If you change them every time you want to make a popular exception, then they might as well not be rules at all. 

 

Same for Chris. It sucks that he's missing out only because Bubba, who is gone as soon as he tees it up for LIV which happens to be after the conclusion of the 2022-23 season, is still in the points list. 

 

Question: If Bubba resigned his PGA Tour membership between now and the end of the FedEx Cup playoffs, would that move Chris onto the right side of the line? If so, if Bubba had any integrity, he'd do it and publicly state he's doing it to make sure that someone isn't being excluded from the Tour he's turning his back on. 

 

I watched Will Z at the CO TPC KFT event. 

 

Love his game and recall that going down.  It was sad. 

 

I agree It makes no sense but I am sure it has to do with those players not "being members" of the PGAT though they played the way into events and did well.

 

Seems like it happens more then not. The PGAT will not give them per se what they have "earned" into events unless you are a signed "member" which seems a bit out of line personally.   They want to grow the game, we are hear for the players....BUT only if you sign this contract. 

...and yes Bubba should do the right thing if he knows he is not going to play anymore on the PGAT.  Maybe he is thinking of backing out?

[forrester_fire]

6 hours ago, airjammer said:

Exactly, there is a reason people are saying that the agents are driving the players to sign with Liv. I’m sure they all

are well aware of their players ambitions, goals, and work ethic. 
 

Anyone that has taken a personal finance class understands the power of the time value of money.  Any agent  would be incompetent not to tell them to take the money now

regardless of future potential earnings

unless the players main goal is legacy. 

 

I'm sure the 6-10% cut the agents take plays no role in their advice whatsoever.

[Gxgolfer]

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[jdl]

2 hours ago, CDM said:

 

It is a sad situation but that is how the structure of the PGAT is. 

 

Honestly one could state that it hurts players like Chris but again that is the format/structure currently of the PGAT and as we have seen it not going to budge.  If they did it now it would set a precedence and that could hurt them in court. 

 

The PGAT players all state it "Dig it out of the dirt" is what we are about.  So the argument is Chris has not done enough yet to be on tour though he has the talent.   Chris is a good player and playing really well this season but it is the system that is set in stone.  

Good job Bubba.

 

 

[ronsc1985]

2 hours ago, woodriff said:

I must’ve missed something. Cam Smith has not officially announced he’s leaving, yet every major sports source indicate that he is, or has he announced ? I did check LIV stories and they indicated he inked a deal … and he still gets to play in the FedEx Cup? 

I think the answer is obvious. If he doesn't announce during playoffs the PGA has no valid reason to bar him. If they do, on the basis of rumors I would think Smith would have one hell of a lawsuit against the PGA for violating their own rules about qualifications for the events.

[betarhoalphadelta]

46 minutes ago, jdl said:

Good job Bubba.

 

 

 

Good for him. I'm certainly not a fan of LIV as is obvious from what I've said in this thread, but this is the right move by Bubba. 

[Holy Moses]

35 minutes ago, betarhoalphadelta said:

 

Good for him. I'm certainly not a fan of LIV as is obvious from what I've said in this thread, but this is the right move by Bubba. 

What difference does it make to resign?