LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[wildcatden]

For those on this board: If you would turn down $450M from LIV, like this post. 

[npicker]

7 minutes ago, Lamb said:

I think many people are being silly with the criticism of Rahm. What do you think his wife and family would say if he told them "I got offered $450m but I want honor and wish to support the PGA" 

 

Considering how much generational wealth and life-changing that money could be for further members of his family he would be stupid to say no to it. 

 

People are saying he should pick PGA over Family LMAO!!! 

Heck I’d take the money . We all would. However, look how HV3 handled it and look how Rahm is handling it. I could respect him more if he just said I did it for the money. The grow the game & team talk is just crap. 
He should just be honest. 

[JetSpeed79]

9 minutes ago, BirdieBob said:

 

 

I love that this interview is in a room made of solid gold. 

[Philfil]

LIV is the future. It might not be an exciting future, but goodbye to “the way it’s always been” league…

 

 

[TiScape]

8 minutes ago, Lamb said:

I think many people are being silly with the criticism of Rahm. What do you think his wife and family would say if he told them "I got offered $450m but I want honor and wish to support the PGA" 

 

Considering how much generational wealth and life-changing that money could be for further members of his family he would be stupid to say no to it. 

 

People are saying he should pick PGA over Family LMAO!!! 

Jon’s wife in her $200k + car on the way back to the mansion to relieve one of their 3 nannies … You better take the money Jon! Think about your family for gods sake.

 

😂

[bekgolf]

1 minute ago, Philfil said:

LIV is the future. It might not be an exciting future, but goodbye to “the way it’s always been” league…

 

 

 

What kind of future?  One without professional golf.

[JungleJimbo]

 

 

[JetPilot]

I've not paid much attention, but I thought the PGAT and LIV announced they were merging earlier this year?

[bekgolf]

4 minutes ago, JungleJimbo said:

 

 

 

The "Has Beens"

[Philfil]

4 minutes ago, bekgolf said:

 

What kind of future?  One without professional golf.

It’ll be called “Golf Entertainment”

🤣

 

[bekgolf]

Just now, Philfil said:

It’ll be called “Golf Entertainment”

🤣

 

 

It's DOA. 

[ThinkingPlus]

4 minutes ago, JetPilot said:

I've not paid much attention, but I thought the PGAT and LIV announced they were merging earlier this year?

That was code for professional golf is being taken over by the PIF.

[HeadCovered]

6 minutes ago, JungleJimbo said:

 

 

 

TEAM 

ATHLETIC GC 

 

lol

 

[PARETO]

5 hours ago, wildcatden said:

Seems like this is coming in short order:   LIV to change format to 72 holes with primary 12-teams joined by an additional 6 teams who must qualify on a Monday "team shoot out".    There are 12 to 16 teams trying to qualify on Monday for those 6 team spots. 

 

Suddenly, OWGR has to notice.  Put microphones on every golf bag to capture conversations while limiting 80% of the announcer talk.  Dump the on course music.  Dump the shotgun start and send them off the front and back simutaneously.

 

 

I’m so glad someone has said to dump the on course music. It’s simply cringe worthy and I won’t watch mostly because of this one point. 

[bcc624]

I’m increasingly disinterested in professional golf. I have no faith in the future of the pro sport.

[Zitlow]

Monahan got blindsided. 

 

 

 

 

 

[JungleJimbo]

 

 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2023 by JungleJimbo

[JetSpeed79]

Another big name gone.
 

It’s like some billionaire art investor keeps buying up all the best paintings and then hangs them where no one will see them. 

[kmbean]

Jon was quoted as saying “I just signed with LIV and all I got was $600,000,000 and this lousy high school letterman jacket”

[SwooshLT]

1 minute ago, JetSpeed79 said:

Another big name gone.
 

It’s like some billionaire art investor keeps buying up all the best paintings and then hangs them where no one will see them. 

 

Just names......other than Tiger , no one else is truly MUST SEE golf ....seriously,  I'll watch DP world , Korn Ferry , Champions ......and still learn something while being entertained..... Tiger WAS the needle .....these others barely move it .

[bobfoster]

1 hour ago, Scotty1140 said:

Ok…

 

Does anyone actually watch LIV yet? Or is all their attention based on who they’re going to buy next?

 

No one watches LIV and the PGA Tour keeps sinking. 
 

And now I’m about to lose some yards because of their ball rollback?

 

Instead of growing the game they’re all destroying it. 
 

Please tell me I’m wrong here. I’d like to be wrong. 

 

Um, okay, yeah, you're wrong. 

 

A couple years ago the PGAT signed a new 9 year deal with the networks, a huge increase over the last contracts, and worth around $700 million a year in broadcast rights:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikmatuszewski/2020/03/09/5-things-to-know-about-the-pga-tours-new-media-rights-deal/?sh=4ffca845594d

 

Seems to be worth it, as PGAT viewership is growing - the 2023 season turned in very solid numbers:

 https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/pga-tour-2023-season-us-tv-viewers-audience-ratings-nbc-cbs-golf-channel/?zephr_sso_ott=9hcMbi

 

So, not exactly certain what you mean by "the PGA Tour keeps sinking". Your personal opinion of it may be sinking, but that's something entirely different than the actual numbers. The Tour is as healthy as its ever been, its players have the opportunity to make more than they ever have, and ratings are not only steady, they are growing.

 

Further, I'm not certain who "they" are, or how they are "destroying the game", but if "they" are trying to, they are doing a pretty bad job of it. Golf as an amateur sport is in the midst of a considerable expansion. It started during the pandemic - which was not surprising, as it was a sport almost custom designed for social distancing. What is a bit surprising is that this growth has continued even though the pandemic has ended. Record numbers of people are playing for the first time. In fact, there's numerous WRX threads full of long time golfers complaining about everything from the lack of etiquette amongst new golfers, to the difficulty in getting tee times. 

 

I mean - 2022 was the last year for which we have full stats ... does this sound like a sport in the middle of destruction?:

https://www.ngf.org/golf-industry-research/

 

All sorts of people have slightly less than favorable feelings about golf right now - due to everything from LIV to the new ball rule - but objectively, both the PGAT and golf as an amateur sport are absolutely thriving right now. 

 

I will agree that pretty much no one watches LIV, unless they accidentally left the TV on the CW network after a rerun of America's Funniest Animals.  🤣

 

Edited December 8, 2023 by bobfoster

[theodoreb]

32 minutes ago, Philfil said:

LIV is the future. It might not be an exciting future, but goodbye to “the way it’s always been” league…

 

 

It is certainly looking that way. All on the thread are still loyal to the pga. What happens when 4 or 5 more move over to liv, will you still watch the pga/korn ferry just out of principle or will you watch the best golfers. 
 

honestly if cantley or morioka leave, I would not be surprised if Rory changes his tune as he did state he would go where the best golfers are. Maybe his departing the pga tour council is a precursor of things to come.

[black bnr32]

1 hour ago, Scotty1140 said:

Ok…

 

Does anyone actually watch LIV yet? Or is all their attention based on who they’re going to buy next?

 

No one watches LIV and the PGA Tour keeps sinking. 
 

And now I’m about to lose some yards because of their ball rollback?

 

Instead of growing the game they’re all destroying it. 
 

Please tell me I’m wrong here. I’d like to be wrong. 

I watch LIV.  I like the small fields, it makes it easy to follow all player’s performance over the course of a season.

 

The team stuff is decent; I like the large swings in team scores and final team event of the year.

 

Mayakoba in February is a stunning course.

[TheNutman]

Rahm playing chess. He gets his $ and is also the tipping point for a merger or at the very least rankings and majors to find a path for LIV.

 

I don't like it, but Rahm will be the biggest catalyst in all of this...

[golfgirlrobin]

55 minutes ago, Lamb said:

I think many people are being silly with the criticism of Rahm. What do you think his wife and family would say if he told them "I got offered $450m but I want honor and wish to support the PGA" 

 

Considering how much generational wealth and life-changing that money could be for further members of his family he would be stupid to say no to it. 

 

People are saying he should pick PGA over Family LMAO!!! 

As a wife, I can honestly tell you that I’d tell him to do whatever he wants. There’s already plenty of money around and there’s nothing worse than a spouse who is unhappy at work. Pretty sure we could fund college for several generations on PGAT money.

[j.b.newton]

Does LIV adhere to the ball rollback?🤣

[Tgstan]

Grow the game lol. These guys have all but destroyed any interest I had in the professional game and I’m not alone. 
 

Yes, I know they don’t care. I know they have all the money. 
 

Thing is, I don’t care either. 

[TheMoneyShot]

1 hour ago, golfgirlrobin said:

I am forever going to be surprised that Rahm has given up events like The Memorial, API, Players and the Genesis to play 3-day team events in Singapore, Nashville and a location to be named later, when he’s already worth $100+ million.
 

The FOX interview was painful; he didn’t even look like he was buying what he was trying to sell.

Agreed!  He looked completely lost in that interview.  Probably, second guessing himself deep down.  It was a money move but his legacy in the game may be tarnished now.  

[Christen_The_Sloop]

46 minutes ago, bobfoster said:

 

Um, okay, yeah, you're wrong. 

 

A couple years ago the PGAT signed a new 9 year deal with the networks, a huge increase over the last contracts, and worth around $700 million a year in broadcast rights:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikmatuszewski/2020/03/09/5-things-to-know-about-the-pga-tours-new-media-rights-deal/?sh=4ffca845594d

 

Seems to be worth it, as PGAT viewership is growing - the 2023 season turned in very solid numbers:

 https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/pga-tour-2023-season-us-tv-viewers-audience-ratings-nbc-cbs-golf-channel/?zephr_sso_ott=9hcMbi

 

So, not exactly certain what you mean by "the PGA Tour keeps sinking". Your personal opinion of it may be sinking, but that's something entirely different than the actual numbers. The Tour is as healthy as its ever been, its players have the opportunity to make more than they ever have, and ratings are not only steady, they are growing.

 

Further, I'm not certain who "they" are, or how they are "destroying the game", but if "they" are trying to, they are doing a pretty bad job of it. Golf as an amateur sport is in the midst of a considerable expansion. It started during the pandemic - which was not surprising, as it was a sport almost custom designed for social distancing. What is a bit surprising is that this growth has continued even though the pandemic has ended. Record numbers of people are playing for the first time. In fact, there's numerous WRX threads full of long time golfers complaining about everything from the lack of etiquette amongst new golfers, to the difficulty in getting tee times. 

 

I mean - 2022 was the last year for which we have full stats ... does this sound like a sport in the middle of destruction?:

https://www.ngf.org/golf-industry-research/

 

All sorts of people have slightly less than favorable feelings about golf right now - due to everything from LIV to the new ball rule - but objectively, both the PGAT and golf as an amateur sport are absolutely thriving right now. 

 

I will agree that pretty much no one watches LIV, unless they accidentally left the TV on the CW network after a rerun of America's Funniest Animals.  🤣

 

I agree that the sport is doing well. Population is aging, traditional sports have a few strikes against them such as long term injury consequences being more understood. However, you can't say that the PGA tour is better than ever. It's clearly taking on water. It's being forced to reinvent itself and when players of Rahm's caliber abandon it, you have to believe a lot of sponsors are going to be taking it into consideration. 

 

Personally, I have watched LIV golf, being a fan of golf. I have no loyalty to any corporation... I like that I can watch it on my TV on youtube pretty much whenever I want. Like any golf telecast, there is a lot of filler, but I can easily fast forward it or mute it whatever. 

[NormanFan]

I've said it before, but I don't see the appeal of LIV.  "Oh look, these guys are playing for a lot of money!  Let me tune in!"