LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[smashdn]

2 hours ago, billyspan said:

The qualifications for a player to make his way onto the leaderboard is simple -- play in all four major championships and make the cut in all four major championships.

 

Not saying it is this way but you could win three out of four and miss the cut in one and not make that list. 

 

Quick glance at it and I did not see Gotterup on there.  He has had a pretty good last two months.  Apparently was not in the field for The PGA or Masters.

[Holy Moses]

24 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

I think LIV golf is “here to stay”

 

The have Aramco and a few other big SA companies as sponsors so the money is perpetually available.

 

I do think they will try to keep the current operating expenses in check. 
 

The big question is if and who is out there that it’s even worth big money to sign.

 

Do they offer 100MM+ to guys like Hovland and Åberg? Even if they don’t their purses are big enough that they should be able to attract top 50 players, especially Euro/Aus/Asia based players. 

I don’t think Hovland and Aberg are interested in LIV. They would have go e already if so. If LIV tries to reign in the up front money significantly, they might have issues.

[CDM]

On 7/26/2025 at 1:44 PM, chisag said:

 

 

... I have been an actor for 47 years and I have seen some big stars on set treat the crew like 💩. I can't even begin to imagine how Bryson treated the crew when the cameras weren't around. 

 

I doubt Bryson was a problem.  He seems to want to please everyone as we have seen over the last few years.   

Now as we all know he or may not have been aware of things around him in the past, we saw that while he was on the PGAT but he sure is not aware of it now since he has a team they are very "social media"   conscientious ........

 

IMHO I had to pick some one to be picky, I would bet on Colin M.  

[smashdn]

1 hour ago, WesternRacing said:

A key part of the draw of golf is the meritocratic aspect of it, the human drama, the playing for a paycheck nature of it.

 

This sounds a bit like WWE.  Golfers just want to watch golf.  See the threads regarding the actual broadcasts.  Two of the most riviled aspects of a golf broadcast are the breaks from golf to hear from the CEO of whomever the sponsor is and the human interest pieces about a golfer's sister's battle with gluten intolerance and how it shaped him into the player he is today due to his hatred of bread.

 

1 hour ago, WesternRacing said:

 If it were simply a league of highly paid players, with only bonuses (which are a small percentage of the stars salaries) on the line, the audience would be fairly small and the operation would be unprofitable (e.g., see “LIV Golf”).

 

I would contend that if this were the case and it involved neither the PIF/Saudis and Greg Norman, it would have went over swimmingly.  If PGAT had created an upper-echelon event with no cut where the best of the best played in other locales in the world it would have been well received.  I mean, the response was to create signature events and bolster the bottom placer's earnings, sort of like no cuts and guaranteed money. 

 

[chisag]

24 minutes ago, CDM said:

I doubt Bryson was a problem.  He seems to want to please everyone as we have seen over the last few years.   

Now as we all know he or may not have been aware of things around him in the past, we saw that while he was on the PGAT but he sure is not aware of it now since he has a team they are very "social media"   conscientious ........

 

 

... To be fair I have never been a fan of Little Lord Fauntleroy so I am admittedly biased. But even though his new faux persona is this social media likable guy, videos when he thinks the camera is off still surface with him acting like a real life David Simms. 

[subrew]

From Bryson's socials:

 

 

[CDM]

Stupid summer cold so actaully watched golf this weekend. Besides Majors been a long time since I wathced golf on tv. 

 

Watched LIV for a bit and the PGAT. 

 

I like the LIV courses better vs what the PGAT plays. At least the ones I have seen.   

 

That noted the PGAT knows they need to play courses that can hold fans or fit them while LIV is playing what works in different parts of the world.   

*Granted LIV  this weekend looked to have as much if not more fans at the event vs the PGAT? 

** Numbers show the JCB event like AUS one gets the most fans it seems each year for LIV

 

Still not a fan of the music..!  Seems way to loud on some holes.  I mean serious it was louder at times it seemed then the commentators? 

 

Not sure on the format for either.

 

I noticed you get way more shots from different players on LIV.   Granted it feels very "jumpy" at the same time but you see alot different players which is nice. Just not the leaders all the time.   

 

The PGAT event "seemed" boring but its not that I realized its just "bland" at times.   PGAT broadcast locks in a single player, talking to his caddie, checking wind, routine, commentators trying to pump shot that really 75% could probably hit, etc.  Not sure which player it was I saw this last weekend but they had him in on for like 5 mins before he even hit the shot.  Not talking a 3 wood carry of 260 over water, it was a 157 yard shot...!  Second think that hit me and we all know this the PGAT is horrid on pace of play.  Pace a serious pet peve to me, and watching how slow they play is crazy.  Evoke the rules on these players is all I have to say on that.   

 

Broadcast wise seems somewhere in between would be a really good balance.  Same on commentating. 

 

Note: Never been to a LIV event, number of PGAT events though.  People I know that have went to both all of one of them say the players / atmosphere is way more engaging at a LIV event and way more "younger" golfers.   I think attending a LIV could more fun personally but TV wise figure out way to killed that background music. 

 

Players:  The talent is there for both. The PGAT best and LIV best are great players.   LIV though does have players who I 100% agree just took the money at the tail end.  Honestly I thought Bubba was one of them, but he has shown lately he actually wants to play well so maybe the injury issue was pretty bad for him? 

 

Suratt and McKibben are really really good young players. Impress me every time I see them.  Regardless of where they play they would have been great.  Plus being with Rahm / Hatton since they went to LIV was the best place. 

 

Cam....? Really sad to see him just drop.  Texting with Aussie mates last weekend about it they are all so disappointed in him.  They agree he took the money but rumor is he really not trying to hide the fact with his inner circle.   No proof other then mates over in AUS but I guess it was somewhat planned.   He knew he was getting married, they wanted to have kids right away.  So easy money, less schedule per se and more family time.  I guess depends on what you value.    

 

Mt bottom line neither lights that fire that I have to make sure to record or tune in each weekend...... 🤣

[Shilgy]

10 hours ago, Mr.Cleeks said:

I think Ludvig is supremely overrated. Tom Kim has more wins on tour, as many top 10s in majors and is 2 yrs younger

And Kim has been a pro for five years longer…so there’s that.

 

8 hours ago, Mr.Cleeks said:

He’s won twice on tour and one of them was a silly fall event 

Make up your mind mate! Both of Kim’s wins are the same Shriners silly fall event

[Shilgy]

3 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

I think LIV golf is “here to stay”

 

The have Aramco and a few other big SA companies as sponsors so the money is perpetually available.

 

I do think they will try to keep the current operating expenses in check. 
 

The big question is if and who is out there that it’s even worth big money to sign.

 

Do they offer 100MM+ to guys like Hovland and Åberg? Even if they don’t their purses are big enough that they should be able to attract top 50 players, especially Euro/Aus/Asia based players. 

Which of the top 50 are “Euro/Aus/Asia based”?   Even if you include the guys from there but playing the PGA Tour those from those areas wouldn’t move the needle for LIV in the slightest at this point.

 

https://www.owgr.com/current-world-ranking

[Shilgy]

2 hours ago, CDM said:

Stupid summer cold so actaully watched golf this weekend. Besides Majors been a long time since I wathced golf on tv. 

 

Watched LIV for a bit and the PGAT. 

 

I like the LIV courses better vs what the PGAT plays. At least the ones I have seen.   

 

That noted the PGAT knows they need to play courses that can hold fans or fit them while LIV is playing what works in different parts of the world.   

*Granted LIV  this weekend looked to have as much if not more fans at the event vs the PGAT? 

** Numbers show the JCB event like AUS one gets the most fans it seems each year for LIV

 

Still not a fan of the music..!  Seems way to loud on some holes.  I mean serious it was louder at times it seemed then the commentators? 

 

Not sure on the format for either.

 

I noticed you get way more shots from different players on LIV.   Granted it feels very "jumpy" at the same time but you see alot different players which is nice. Just not the leaders all the time.   

 

The PGAT event "seemed" boring but its not that I realized its just "bland" at times.   PGAT broadcast locks in a single player, talking to his caddie, checking wind, routine, commentators trying to pump shot that really 75% could probably hit, etc.  Not sure which player it was I saw this last weekend but they had him in on for like 5 mins before he even hit the shot.  Not talking a 3 wood carry of 260 over water, it was a 157 yard shot...!  Second think that hit me and we all know this the PGAT is horrid on pace of play.  Pace a serious pet peve to me, and watching how slow they play is crazy.  Evoke the rules on these players is all I have to say on that.   

 

Broadcast wise seems somewhere in between would be a really good balance.  Same on commentating. 

 

Note: Never been to a LIV event, number of PGAT events though.  People I know that have went to both all of one of them say the players / atmosphere is way more engaging at a LIV event and way more "younger" golfers.   I think attending a LIV could more fun personally but TV wise figure out way to killed that background music. 

 

Players:  The talent is there for both. The PGAT best and LIV best are great players.   LIV though does have players who I 100% agree just took the money at the tail end.  Honestly I thought Bubba was one of them, but he has shown lately he actually wants to play well so maybe the injury issue was pretty bad for him? 

 

Suratt and McKibben are really really good young players. Impress me every time I see them.  Regardless of where they play they would have been great.  Plus being with Rahm / Hatton since they went to LIV was the best place. 

 

Cam....? Really sad to see him just drop.  Texting with Aussie mates last weekend about it they are all so disappointed in him.  They agree he took the money but rumor is he really not trying to hide the fact with his inner circle.   No proof other then mates over in AUS but I guess it was somewhat planned.   He knew he was getting married, they wanted to have kids right away.  So easy money, less schedule per se and more family time.  I guess depends on what you value.    

 

Mt bottom line neither lights that fire that I have to make sure to record or tune in each weekend...... 🤣

What rule do you plan to invoke for pace of play? 

[bcjim]

3 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

This sounds a bit like WWE.  Golfers just want to watch golf.  See the threads regarding the actual broadcasts.  Two of the most riviled aspects of a golf broadcast are the breaks from golf to hear from the CEO of whomever the sponsor is and the human interest pieces about a golfer's sister's battle with gluten intolerance and how it shaped him into the player he is today due to his hatred of bread.

But the golf has to mean something. They have to be playing a legitimate competition for something. Something besides the top monetary amount on offer.  Winning a liv tournament is winning nothing besides a pile of cash slightly bigger than the other guys pile of cash. There is no value beyond that in a liv win, or a "match" win, or a TGL win even.  Beating 5 or 6 other guys and a bunch of useless filler at JCB is not any accomplishment of note that will be remembered by anyone.

 

 

[NosajNeelik]

2 hours ago, subrew said:

From Bryson's socials:

 

 

Was probably the worst movie I’ve ever seen 

[Mr.Cleeks]

46 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

And Kim has been a pro for five years longer…so there’s that.

 

Make up your mind mate! Both of Kim’s wins are the same Shriners silly fall event

3 > 2. Doesn't matter, Kim's record is way better

[Holy Moses]

2 hours ago, CDM said:

Stupid summer cold so actaully watched golf this weekend. Besides Majors been a long time since I wathced golf on tv. 

 

Watched LIV for a bit and the PGAT. 

 

I like the LIV courses better vs what the PGAT plays. At least the ones I have seen.   

 

That noted the PGAT knows they need to play courses that can hold fans or fit them while LIV is playing what works in different parts of the world.   

*Granted LIV  this weekend looked to have as much if not more fans at the event vs the PGAT? 

** Numbers show the JCB event like AUS one gets the most fans it seems each year for LIV

 

Still not a fan of the music..!  Seems way to loud on some holes.  I mean serious it was louder at times it seemed then the commentators? 

 

Not sure on the format for either.

 

I noticed you get way more shots from different players on LIV.   Granted it feels very "jumpy" at the same time but you see alot different players which is nice. Just not the leaders all the time.   

 

The PGAT event "seemed" boring but its not that I realized its just "bland" at times.   PGAT broadcast locks in a single player, talking to his caddie, checking wind, routine, commentators trying to pump shot that really 75% could probably hit, etc.  Not sure which player it was I saw this last weekend but they had him in on for like 5 mins before he even hit the shot.  Not talking a 3 wood carry of 260 over water, it was a 157 yard shot...!  Second think that hit me and we all know this the PGAT is horrid on pace of play.  Pace a serious pet peve to me, and watching how slow they play is crazy.  Evoke the rules on these players is all I have to say on that.   

 

Broadcast wise seems somewhere in between would be a really good balance.  Same on commentating. 

 

Note: Never been to a LIV event, number of PGAT events though.  People I know that have went to both all of one of them say the players / atmosphere is way more engaging at a LIV event and way more "younger" golfers.   I think attending a LIV could more fun personally but TV wise figure out way to killed that background music. 

 

Players:  The talent is there for both. The PGAT best and LIV best are great players.   LIV though does have players who I 100% agree just took the money at the tail end.  Honestly I thought Bubba was one of them, but he has shown lately he actually wants to play well so maybe the injury issue was pretty bad for him? 

 

Suratt and McKibben are really really good young players. Impress me every time I see them.  Regardless of where they play they would have been great.  Plus being with Rahm / Hatton since they went to LIV was the best place. 

 

Cam....? Really sad to see him just drop.  Texting with Aussie mates last weekend about it they are all so disappointed in him.  They agree he took the money but rumor is he really not trying to hide the fact with his inner circle.   No proof other then mates over in AUS but I guess it was somewhat planned.   He knew he was getting married, they wanted to have kids right away.  So easy money, less schedule per se and more family time.  I guess depends on what you value.    

 

Mt bottom line neither lights that fire that I have to make sure to record or tune in each weekend...... 🤣

I think I’m generally aligned with your thoughts here, but I’ll add three things:

-The 3M is a very weak event on the PGA Tour, so I wouldn’t draw many conclusions from it.

-The PGA Tour’s weakest events still draw 5x what LIV draws in the US, even when both are on broadcast TV.

-LIV plays on very bland courses. Outside of Valderrama and Doral, does LIV play on any course that you would take over any PGA Tour course? 

[idrive]

22 minutes ago, NosajNeelik said:

Was probably the worst movie I’ve ever seen 

Can’t say it was the worst movie I’ve ever seen because the significant other made me change it about a third of the way through.
First time that has ever happened and we’ve seen more than a few movies. 
 

Can’t say I’ll pick it up where we left off to see the end of it. 

[billyspan]

1 hour ago, NosajNeelik said:

Was probably the worst movie I’ve ever seen 

Worse than Caddyshack 2?

[bekgolf]

1 hour ago, NosajNeelik said:

Was probably the worst movie I’ve ever seen 

 

Wow!  My wife and I enjoyed it, I also enjoyed a few home brews while watching it.

 

I'm trying to think of the worst movie I've ever seen...  Maybe the original "Blob".  The original MST3K had some really bad flicks they made fun of.

[NosajNeelik]

27 minutes ago, billyspan said:

Worse than Caddyshack 2?

Most definitely. Even worse than The Two Jakes. Maybe not as bad as dumb and dumber too but it’s pretty close 

[NosajNeelik]

4 minutes ago, bekgolf said:

 

Wow!  My wife and I enjoyed it, I also enjoyed a few home brews while watching it.

 

I'm trying to think of the worst movie I've ever seen...  Maybe the original "Blob".  The original MST3K had some really bad flicks they made fun of.

The blob is a great example of a great bad movie. This one is just awful and not funny. John Daly is such a clown 

[bscinstnct]

2 hours ago, Shilgy said:

Which of the top 50 are “Euro/Aus/Asia based”?   Even if you include the guys from there but playing the PGA Tour those from those areas wouldn’t move the needle for LIV in the slightest at this point.

 

https://www.owgr.com/current-world-ranking

 

They just need guys. I doubt BD Rahm BK Hatton or any of their better players are going to leave so they just need to fill the ranks.
 

Doesn’t seem like they have any concern or notions that they are going to get great rating anytime soon if ever.

 

But given they signed up a new venue and I read, they are increasing the purses by 5 million for each event, it seems they are content to keep staging these events long-term

 

 

 

[bobfoster]

LIV is still around? Are they still losing to America's Funniest Animals on Nielson? 

[ws6]

24 minutes ago, NosajNeelik said:

Most definitely. Even worse than The Two Jakes. Maybe not as bad as dumb and dumber too but it’s pretty close 

 

Wow, that is saying something.  Caddyshack 2 was the record holder for worst sequel ever made for a long, long time.  

[TiScape]

30 minutes ago, NosajNeelik said:

Most definitely. Even worse than The Two Jakes. Maybe not as bad as dumb and dumber too but it’s pretty close 

I can assure you it’s not as bad as Coming 2 America. That was a travesty. Made it thru only ~25 minutes 

[WesternRacing]

6 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

I think LIV golf is “here to stay”

 

The have Aramco and a few other big SA companies as sponsors so the money is perpetually available.

 

I do think they will try to keep the current operating expenses in check. 
 

The big question is if and who is out there that it’s even worth big money to sign.

 

Do they offer 100MM+ to guys like Hovland and Åberg? Even if they don’t their purses are big enough that they should be able to attract top 50 players, especially Euro/Aus/Asia based players. 

 

Agree that they’re here to stay, but totally disagree with the last part.  What top 50 player have they lured in the last 12 months just with purses?  Why would you expect them to be able to do it now?  The only way they’re luring anyone is with big, big money and that’s just lighting money on fire, as they proved with Rahm. 

[WesternRacing]

2 hours ago, NosajNeelik said:

Was probably the worst movie I’ve ever seen 

 

I was about to start watching it last night and then I remembered, Happy Gilmore was one of the stupidest movies I’ve ever watched.  Why would I expect the sequel 20 years later to be any different?

[TiScape]

20 minutes ago, TiScape said:

I can assure you it’s not as bad as Coming 2 America. That was a travesty. Made it thru only ~25 minutes 

Only other movie I can remember turning off before it was even halfway over was ⬇️

*I refer to it simply as ‘The hotdog fingers movie’.

Edited July 29 by TiScape

[bobfoster]

8 minutes ago, WesternRacing said:

 

I was about to start watching it last night and then I remembered, Happy Gilmore was one of the stupidest movies I’ve ever watched.  Why would I expect the sequel 20 years later to be any different?

It isn't. It is even worse. 

[bobfoster]

22 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Only other movie I can remember turning off before it was even halfway over was ⬇️

Well, actually the worst was Lost In Translation. That movie with Bill Murray directed by Sofia Coppola. You totally got pilloried online if you did not profess to love it. Even though it bored the living bejesus out of everyone that watched it. But ETEWAAO was a close second. You are supposed to pretend you understand it. I asked a friend. She said "isn't that the one where a hot girl travels through time to kill people?". I said yeah, while the writers probably think it was way more profound, that pretty much sums it up. (Though honestly, much like @TiScape, I only watched half.)

Edited July 29 by bobfoster

[ws6]

Best sequel ever?  Godfather 2?

[Shilgy]

3 hours ago, Mr.Cleeks said:

3 > 2. Doesn't matter, Kim's record is way better

Way better?😆 

11 is better than 64 when it’s OWGR.