LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[TiScape]

7 hours ago, Golferpaul said:

Silly question.  Do we want the best players in the world competing at the US Open?  Of course, we do.

Of course! Just as I’d like to see the best players in the world competing against each other weekly throughout the year… But oh well. 

Edited June 5, 2023 by TiScape

[BNGL]

4 hours ago, derjgolfer said:

One of the biggest issues with the LIV Team format is golf is a much higher variance sport than F1. Even without watching many races this year I can tell you Red Bull is #1 while Mercedes/Ferrari are #2/#3. Quick! Name which team is leading LIV without looking it up. 

 

Ultimately, less week to week variance creates better narratives that can play out over months/years. LIV will never have that in this current format.

Aces lead the team

Talor Gooch leads the individual 

 

I’m the only on this board that will admit to it and say I watch and pay attention to LIV Golf.

 

Why can’t it have it though? 
 

Im captain LIV like I love it I do, I do think it’s content on the app is by far an away the best thing for a golf nut. There’s dedicated team range channels, post round range interviews and video of guys working on their game that will dive into detail. For example at Trump last week? Danny Lee was out on the range and the chick reporter was there with Danny mic’d up and Drew Stoeckle (spelling? his coach) was there as well and Danny explained what he didn’t like and was working on, Drew explained it from a technical viewpoint and gave the viewer something to think about if they had the same issue.

 

Their events are fairly well run, I detailed this in a thread that their merchandise selection/sales marketing wasn’t exemplary by any stretch but it did the job. I was at LIV Orlando with a couple people other people that have Tour experience (class A pro from a PGA Tour host venue, AD Tickets from a U.S. Open venue, another Tour sup and myself) we all had very positive things to say about our experience. 
 

All that being said I don’t see it existing much beyond the current spate of players, any league is a star driven league and while there have been some legit sponsors expressing interest, one was even keen to commit a billion but backed out when asked by the Tour to “please don’t do this” you’re a star driven league. I’m a golf nut, I’ll gladly follow David Puig, Richard Bland, Sam Horsfield, Andy Ogletree etc because they’re still amazing players. But eventually if there’s not a way to attract the Rory’s, Rahm’s, tbh I’m not sure who the next big name in golf is because there’s so many good guys I’m not sure it’ll foster another great player if that makes sense, Scheffler is the only guy now I look at and say “he’s special”

 

lots of rambling there for sure but just curious to hear why you think it won’t have narratives people will follow? 

[Purple Toupee]

2 hours ago, 2bGood said:

So why do you think the players didn't/don't change things? They have the controlling interest in the PGAT.

 

 

 

How do the players have the controlling interest in the PGAT?  They have a minority position on the board.  The other board members can pass anything they want, and they can vote down anything the players want.  You love to push the narrative that the PGAT is run by the players, but it’s just not so.

[CDLgolf]

On 5/30/2023 at 1:50 PM, MaineMariner said:

No Laying Up pointing out that Matthew Wolff has apparently been dropped from Smash GC's Twitter and Instagram bios. He also doesn't list LIV golf in his own bio, though I don't know if that's new.

 

 

 

If Wolff is off the team due to an injury or something, that's a very weird way to handle it. If he's out of LIV, that's a pretty sad outcome for Wolff. I hope the dude's okay.

 

 

Now it's reported he withdrew from US Open qualifying.  2nd year in a row.  Wonder what's going on.

[BNGL]

2 hours ago, 2bGood said:

So why do you think the players didn't/don't change things? They have the controlling interest in the PGAT.

 

I am not trying to compare things, but having been on many boards, it often easy to complain from the outside, but once you get on the board and really dive into the all the details *sometimes* the things you complained about make way more sense and you mind is changed. 

 

 

Because of Tiger Woods. I kid about that but I’m kinda serious, but ultimately the Tour does what it wants to do with or without the players approval, or at least had for the longest time. Now they’re evolving to meet to current “threat” which they never had before.  Everyone hears PAC PAC PAC does anyone really know the structure? 
 

The PAC basically is a sounding board for the 4/5 player directors who are supposed to work with the other PGA Tour board members who all independently employed by someone other than the Tour, in that they have other jobs but their brought on board to give a different perspective. 
 

Here’s another example I know was brought up by the PAC but shot down by Finchem. Was a stipend. Guys were of the mindset that if they go to the Buick (thinking back in the day) and meet with Buicks people for a couple hours Tuesday tournament week then go out and miss a cut there out 2/3 grand (hotels, caddie, travel). The majors have stipends, fun fact not a lot of people know that, but the Tour didn’t for the longest time. Now all of a sudden they’re giving earnings assurance for being a PGA Tour member (not quite a stipend, but I know I’ll be getting 500k for being a Tour member and if I’m a rookie I can take that upfront). So the PAC was always a farcical group that had no real power. There just wasn’t the incentive to listen to anyone other than Tiger at that time with Finchem, and again rightfully so. Tiger was the reason Golf got big and the Tour knew they had that ace in their pocket when they wanted to sell the PGA Tour. 

[BNGL]

2 hours ago, Cactus Jack said:

 

Current PAC member Ryan Amour (344 OGWR) seems to think his opinion doesn't matter much. In fact, he makes it clear that only the top few, presumably Rory, have a voice at the table. Additionally, he makes it clear that the PACs opinion doesn't really matter and the PGAT ultimately does what it wants to do. Zinger served on the committee for 13 years but said it was a complete waste of time. Sounds like window dressing more than a true advisory council. 

 

Ryan was crystal clear with his words. His take on the position the PGAT has put their players in is interesting. 

 

“Say you finished 75th on the points list, just using that as an example. Yes, you had a really good year, but you don’t get in any of the designated events. Why wouldn't you take a LIV contract? You've just been told by the tour that you fought for and were loyal to that we don't want you.”

 

https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/our-opinion-didnt-matter-pga-tour-players-group-slams-no-cut-changes

He is right to an extent. Look at the FedEx Cup how its changed and evolved over the years, TBH I despise the format of staring players out ahead BUT I do think there should be an incentive for finishing first up to that point I just don't think its starting out strokes ahead, (I have always advocated for a match play for the Tour Championship take the top 64, have the top12 be exempt to match play. The rest play for 12 spots Thursday-Friday. Those in the top 12 then pick their opponent starting with the top ranked player and go until there's no more names left. Then bracket it out from there.) But I digress from my main point that the FedEx Cup has seen multiple iterations and I think the elevated events will see the same thing multiple iterations. 

[2bGood]

4 hours ago, Cactus Jack said:

 

Current PAC member Ryan Amour (344 OGWR) seems to think his opinion doesn't matter much. In fact, he makes it clear that only the top few, presumably Rory, have a voice at the table. Additionally, he makes it clear that the PACs opinion doesn't really matter and the PGAT ultimately does what it wants to do. Zinger served on the committee for 13 years but said it was a complete waste of time. Sounds like window dressing more than a true advisory council. 

 

Ryan was crystal clear with his words. His take on the position the PGAT has put their players in is interesting. 

 

“Say you finished 75th on the points list, just using that as an example. Yes, you had a really good year, but you don’t get in any of the designated events. Why wouldn't you take a LIV contract? You've just been told by the tour that you fought for and were loyal to that we don't want you.”

 

https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/our-opinion-didnt-matter-pga-tour-players-group-slams-no-cut-changes

Rory is on the board so of course he has a bigger voice at the table.

[mitchl]

10 hours ago, bladehunter said:

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/phil-mickelson-offers-liv-golf-spot-to-hideki-matsuyama-spirit-airlines/amp
 

phil showing us that he doesn’t understand ….. much of anything.  And showing us another reason to be a hideki fan.  

Exactly.  

What I don't get, is that LIV would still love to get Hideki - so why does Phil post mocking his being frugal?   

Also, Phil rips on an airline publicly?   LIV is desperate for sponsors - and Phil scared all his away with his posts last year, and he wants to just randomly slam some company?   That's just not a great idea when you are trying to attract any sponsor you can get.     

And Hideki has millions - I think this picture shows that the money LIV was offering wasn't going to be a factor for him.

[HomaComa]

11 hours ago, Cactus Jack said:

 

Current PAC member Ryan Amour (344 OGWR) seems to think his opinion doesn't matter much. In fact, he makes it clear that only the top few, presumably Rory, have a voice at the table. Additionally, he makes it clear that the PACs opinion doesn't really matter and the PGAT ultimately does what it wants to do. Zinger served on the committee for 13 years but said it was a complete waste of time. Sounds like window dressing more than a true advisory council. 

 

Ryan was crystal clear with his words. His take on the position the PGAT has put their players in is interesting. 

 

“Say you finished 75th on the points list, just using that as an example. Yes, you had a really good year, but you don’t get in any of the designated events. Why wouldn't you take a LIV contract? You've just been told by the tour that you fought for and were loyal to that we don't want you.”

 

https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/our-opinion-didnt-matter-pga-tour-players-group-slams-no-cut-changes

LIV is only 48 players and who’s to say they’d even want someone in that 75-150 ranking. Even if you made it on to LIV you risk relegation and hopping around Asia for a year sounds awful lmao. 

[jordan2240]

12 hours ago, Cactus Jack said:

? You've just been told by the tour that you fought for and were loyal to that we don't want you.

Isn't the whole idea behind designated events to foster competition in other events by providing a chance to get into the designated events?  Makes it much more interesting for the viewer than simply watching guys play golf.  Nonetheless, guys could still make a perfectly fine living on the PGA tour and never play in a designated event, but that incentive is always available if they decide they want to up their games.  But for the Harold varner iii's of the world, liv fits the bill, but I have no idea why anyone would watch it.

Edited June 6, 2023 by jordan2240
Wording

[jls667]

11 hours ago, BNGL said:

Aces lead the team

Talor Gooch leads the individual 

 

I’m the only on this board that will admit to it and say I watch and pay attention to LIV Golf.

 

Why can’t it have it though? 
 

Im captain LIV like I love it I do, I do think it’s content on the app is by far an away the best thing for a golf nut. There’s dedicated team range channels, post round range interviews and video of guys working on their game that will dive into detail. For example at Trump last week? Danny Lee was out on the range and the chick reporter was there with Danny mic’d up and Drew Stoeckle (spelling? his coach) was there as well and Danny explained what he didn’t like and was working on, Drew explained it from a technical viewpoint and gave the viewer something to think about if they had the same issue.

 

Their events are fairly well run, I detailed this in a thread that their merchandise selection/sales marketing wasn’t exemplary by any stretch but it did the job. I was at LIV Orlando with a couple people other people that have Tour experience (class A pro from a PGA Tour host venue, AD Tickets from a U.S. Open venue, another Tour sup and myself) we all had very positive things to say about our experience. 
 

All that being said I don’t see it existing much beyond the current spate of players, any league is a star driven league and while there have been some legit sponsors expressing interest, one was even keen to commit a billion but backed out when asked by the Tour to “please don’t do this” you’re a star driven league. I’m a golf nut, I’ll gladly follow David Puig, Richard Bland, Sam Horsfield, Andy Ogletree etc because they’re still amazing players. But eventually if there’s not a way to attract the Rory’s, Rahm’s, tbh I’m not sure who the next big name in golf is because there’s so many good guys I’m not sure it’ll foster another great player if that makes sense, Scheffler is the only guy now I look at and say “he’s special”

 

lots of rambling there for sure but just curious to hear why you think it won’t have narratives people will follow? 

 

As someone on the other end of the spectrum from you, if I cast aside all the personal dynamics that drive me to not actually want to watch LIV like I don't want to watch two high school girls argue....

 

It's that the tournaments are meaningless. Throw any narrative you want out there, none of it will have the intrigue of a major/designated event or even a standard tournament coming down to the wire. I watched the end of this week's LPGA event and even some of the 36 holes yesterday and it all was interesting because it mattered. LIV doesn't matter. It has no historical or professional significance of any kind. I have no interest in watching a group of out of touch, filthy rich, golfers play a tournament where the only thing they benefit from playing well is more money. Meanwhile, I'm shaking my head at the gas pump watching the real world move in a totally opposite direction.

 

Even if the Tour is now throwing money left and right at players, they still have history and significance to the events and courses. LIV can only tout rich guys getting more money. Unless they're gonna pay for my kids college tuition, that's irrelevant to me and the only story lines they can create would be manufactured drama which I'll never have interest in.

[smashdn]

1 hour ago, jordan2240 said:

Isn't the whole idea behind designated events to foster competition in other events by providing a chance to get into the designated events?  Makes it much more interesting for the viewer than simply watching guys play golf.  Nonetheless, guys could still make a perfectly fine living on the PGA tour and never play in a designated event, but that incentive is always available if they decide they want to up their games.  But for the Harold varner iii's of the world, liv fits the bill, but I have no idea why anyone would watch it.

 

I don't get the impression that the "typical golf viewer" is concerned with additional drama or things that add "interest."  Thinking logically through this, most golf viewers are 50+ year old white guys.  They are probably watching for the golf and don't really need drama above and beyond the golf being played at that moment to draw them in.

 

In other words, golf viewers don't need a several event back-story, run-up to make it interesting for them.  The US Open qualifying is not televised until a certain point.  If that sort of build-up/drama was interesting/marketable I would think we would be seeing that and Monday qualifiers, etc.

[MtlJeff]

11 hours ago, BNGL said:

Aces lead the team

Talor Gooch leads the individual 

 

I’m the only on this board that will admit to it and say I watch and pay attention to LIV Golf.

 

Why can’t it have it though? 
 

Im captain LIV like I love it I do, I do think it’s content on the app is by far an away the best thing for a golf nut. There’s dedicated team range channels, post round range interviews and video of guys working on their game that will dive into detail. For example at Trump last week? Danny Lee was out on the range and the chick reporter was there with Danny mic’d up and Drew Stoeckle (spelling? his coach) was there as well and Danny explained what he didn’t like and was working on, Drew explained it from a technical viewpoint and gave the viewer something to think about if they had the same issue.

 

Their events are fairly well run, I detailed this in a thread that their merchandise selection/sales marketing wasn’t exemplary by any stretch but it did the job. I was at LIV Orlando with a couple people other people that have Tour experience (class A pro from a PGA Tour host venue, AD Tickets from a U.S. Open venue, another Tour sup and myself) we all had very positive things to say about our experience. 
 

All that being said I don’t see it existing much beyond the current spate of players, any league is a star driven league and while there have been some legit sponsors expressing interest, one was even keen to commit a billion but backed out when asked by the Tour to “please don’t do this” you’re a star driven league. I’m a golf nut, I’ll gladly follow David Puig, Richard Bland, Sam Horsfield, Andy Ogletree etc because they’re still amazing players. But eventually if there’s not a way to attract the Rory’s, Rahm’s, tbh I’m not sure who the next big name in golf is because there’s so many good guys I’m not sure it’ll foster another great player if that makes sense, Scheffler is the only guy now I look at and say “he’s special”

 

lots of rambling there for sure but just curious to hear why you think it won’t have narratives people will follow? 

 

I like the format , i watch LIV occasionally though not as much as last year since the app isn't free anymore so i have to be in front of my TV. 

 

I think over time the F1 concept would have some merit with the right players, and some consistency with the teams. I don't know that the current crop of guys that they have are the best to sell the "team" aspect. Guys like DJ i'm not sure cares, Brooks Koepka i'm sure doesn't. I'm sure some guys do but you'd need stars to really buy in. Like if they had Spieth , Fowler and Thomas on a team i'd be like "These guys actually like each other"

 

I don't think they will get time though, my guess is they will never be given OGWR points with the current group managing them. And that will be the death blow.

 

I mentioned a few pages back but i think short of a big company or group of investors (preferably American) just buying the whole league, they probably have a couple of years left. 

 

It's funny , you mentioned a company willing to spend 1B--i wonder how close you could get to just buying the whole thing? How much is LIV worth? Would the Saudis just wash their hands of this and move to something else? The longer they go without signing anyone new etc...

 

Like if Netflix wanted to get into sports and was just like screw it we'll take the whole league and put it on our platform--it probably changes the outlook drastically. A lot of the reasons people are OK with the (cough- alleged-- cough) collusion go away. 

[Short Pete]

1 hour ago, HomaComa said:

LIV is only 48 players and who’s to say they’d even want someone in that 75-150 ranking. Even if you made it on to LIV you risk relegation and hopping around Asia for a year sounds awful lmao. 

Do they want someone between 75 and 150 on the PGA Tour? Here's the answer: Perez, Ortiz, Ancer, Tringale, Leishman, Howell III, Varner, Gooch, Pieters, Lee, Na...

 

Hell they still have cardless Chase and the ultimate minor leaguer Pete Uihlein on the roaster, as well as James Piot, Sihwan Kim, Andy Ogletree, Jedediah Morgan. They have 5 or 6 A or A- names, and a huge heap of over-the-hillers like Westwood and Watson. They'd take anyone who holds a card on the PGA Tour. If you join LIV as a rank and file player you need one or two good weeks to stay in. Abraham Ancer has one Top 20 finish so far. He would stay safely in.

 

[CaseyC]

18 LIV players tried to qualify for the US Open.

 

4 made it

 

Sergio Garcia, Sebastian Munoz, Carlos Ortiz, David Puig

[2bGood]

12 hours ago, Purple Toupee said:

How do the players have the controlling interest in the PGAT?  They have a minority position on the board.  The other board members can pass anything they want, and they can vote down anything the players want.  You love to push the narrative that the PGAT is run by the players, but it’s just not so.

They have 5 independents listed, 5 PGAT players, 4 Champion Players, the PAC Chair (player), Korn Ferry Pac Chair (player)  and the PGA of America rep (non player). 

 

6 Directors who are not players and 11 that are players.

 

 https://www.pgatour.com/company/board-of-directors

 

Maybe I am confused how this list their directors. 

Edited June 6, 2023 by 2bGood

[dcmidnight]

Apparently not The Onion...

 

PGA Tour agrees to merge with Saudi-backed rival LIV Golf (cnbc.com)

[2bGood]

5 minutes ago, dcmidnight said:

Apparently not The Onion...

 

PGA Tour agrees to merge with Saudi-backed rival LIV Golf (cnbc.com)

Never saw that coming. Wow, just wow. 

[JungleJimbo]

 

 

 

 

Edited June 6, 2023 by JungleJimbo

[bladehunter]

The day the music died.   Figuratively - Or began literally 😂.  

[bekgolf]

Did the Saudis just get control of DP?  If approved of course.  Wow, how much money did that take?

[Klubster]

It will be interesting to see how they merge formats and team play concept.  I am glad this is happening.  Golf should be all inclusive.

[Rob G 89]

Imagine crushers Dallas based team Bryson spieth scheff and Willy z. That would be a force 

[pingbling23]

The future of professional golf is exciting and in the best place it’s ever been.  For all of the criticism of Phil’s gambling, this one paid off big time.

[2bGood]

PGAT will have control over the new entity, and PIF will have veto rights on new investors into the new business. 

 

Greg Norman was among the last to find out.

 

Very interesting......

 

 

 

In a stunning twist to the saga that has consumed golf for the last year, the PGA Tour, the DP World Tour and LIV Golf, the upstart breakaway tour funded by Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund, have agreed to merge and create a new entity to unify the tours.

The details are still sparse and incomplete, but the fact that the PGA Tour and LIV Golf have agreed to create a new entity after more than a year of acrimony and litigation is significant in itself. The deal was negotiated in such a secretive fashion that not even the Tour's players knew. LIV Golf CEO Greg Norman apparently found out in a phone call just before the announcement was made public.

“After two years of disruption and distraction, this is a historic day for the game we all know and love,” PGA Tour Commissioner Jay Monahan said in a statement. “This transformational partnership recognizes the immeasurable strength of the PGA Tour history, legacy and pro-competitive model and combines with it the DP World Tour and LIV — including the team golf concept — to create an organization that will benefit golf’s players, commercial and charitable partners and fans."

The agreement brings to a close the litigation between the PGA Tour and LIV. Additionally, the organizations will work together to provide a pathway for LIV players to reapply for PGA Tour membership, or apply for reinstatement, following the 2023 season.

The new, as-yet-unnamed entity will have a Board of Directors to oversee, in the Tour's words, "golf-related commercial operations, businesses and investments."

The sole and exclusive financial investor in the new entity will be Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund, which had underwritten the LIV Tour, alongside the existing PGA Tour, LIV Golf and the DP World Tour (formerly known as the European Tour). Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund also retains the right of first refusal for any additional investment in the new entity. That, in effect, gives Saudi Arabia's PIF enormous power in dictating the scope, goals and direction of the new entity.

The PGA Tour will appoint a majority of the new entity's Board of Directors, and will hold a majority voting interest, according to the Tour's statement. The Tour will continue to retain its status as a 501(c)(6) tax-exempt organization, and will retain so-called "inside-the-ropes responsibilities" of its events. The DP World Tour and LIV Golf will retain oversight on their respective Tour events.

The tours will continue to operate as previously scheduled in 2023, with the LIV Golf tour kicking back up later this month in Spain. Going forward, it's not yet clear how LIV golfers will apply to rejoin the PGA Tour, but that is something Monahan said will be worked out.

LIV Golf emerged as a competitive threat to the PGA Tour when it first teed off in March, 2022. It lured some big names, including Phil Mickelson, Dustin Johnson, Brooks Koepka and Bryson DeChambeau, with massive paydays that reportedly reached nine figures for some.

The acrimony between the tours intensified as the two began filing lawsuits and counter lawsuits against one another. On the PGA Tour side, Rory McIlroy emerged as the voice for the players, at certain points criticizing those who took money from the Saudi-backed league.

Quickly, though, the PGA Tour realized that it had to respond to the threat LIV posed, not just in the courtroom but on the golf course. The Tour implemented "elevated" events to force top players to play more often. The Tour also increased purse payouts and ramped up its Player Impact Program, a fund paid out every year to the top players. It also implemented a minimum salary for full-time Tour players.

In a joint interview on CNBC Tuesday morning, Monahan and PIF director Yasir Al-Rumayyan acknowledged that many of the details of the merger are still to be worked out, but the two are committed to finalizing the deal within a few weeks.

[subrew]

2 hours ago, Rob G 89 said:

Imagine crushers Dallas based team Bryson spieth scheff and Willy z. That would be a force 

 

That's probably the best thing to come out of this.  Let the PGAT and DP Tour go ahead doing their own things.  Let LIV turn into a real team event.  Either based on Geography or OEM relationships.  Easiest would be Team Callaway vs Team Taylormade vs Team Nike.  Have 4-6 events throughout the calendar.  Run it like the International Crown event the ladies just played last month, match play pods, ala world cup.  

 

Then you have the clout of the OEMs behind it.  Jonny Wunder can go crazy on his YT and IG pages, doing WITBs of the team players, showing filming sessions etc.  Nike or Adidas could have a team of mixed non-oem players.  

 

I really do think that is what Greg wanted from the beggining.  The World MAtch Play, SGL style of Team format.  But now they can get the big dogs in on the action.

[CDM]

All that needs to be posted     HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  🤣

 

Hard to hold back on this one with all the "fun" post in this thread  BUT for all of thoes in this thread that showed passion (either side) for the game this is probably best for all fans.

 

Interesting though how it is with PIF, not LIV.  Keeping some seperation it appears and I am sure we will see some changes for sure in schedules going into '24

 

EDIT: not sure this is right BUT not sure I would agree on this aspect as players....

 

The PGA Tour gets to control the board that handles the actual golf, including the LIV and the DP World Tour (aka the European Tour).

 

The Saudi Arabian Public Investment Fund, however, owns everything. The PIF will be the exclusive investor in the new entity. It not only has the right to further invest but has “first refusal on any capital that may be invested in the new entity,” by anyone else.

Edited June 6, 2023 by CDM

[CDM]

5 hours ago, Klubster said:

It will be interesting to see how they merge formats and team play concept.  I am glad this is happening.  Golf should be all inclusive.

 

Sounds like LIV and PGAT are still separate.  PIF is the group coming into back the PGAT,  not LIV it appears.    

[CDM]

5 hours ago, 2bGood said:

Never saw that coming. Wow, just wow. 

 

Some of us did 😀      Sounds like PIF is just the bank now for PGA Tour?  Who knows, they still have to VOTE on this so it could be voted down. 

 

I do think IF they structure this right  WE AS FANS are going to WIN big time and that is what is important...!  

 

RYDER CUP is going to be interesting now...!    Is SERGIO now going to play with RAHM  ???

Edited June 6, 2023 by CDM

[BNGL]

19 hours ago, BNGL said:

Because of Tiger Woods. I kid about that but I’m kinda serious, but ultimately the Tour does what it wants to do with or without the players approval, or at least had for the longest time. Now they’re evolving to meet to current “threat” which they never had before.  Everyone hears PAC PAC PAC does anyone really know the structure? 
 

The PAC basically is a sounding board for the 4/5 player directors who are supposed to work with the other PGA Tour board members who all independently employed by someone other than the Tour, in that they have other jobs but their brought on board to give a different perspective. 
 

Here’s another example I know was brought up by the PAC but shot down by Finchem. Was a stipend. Guys were of the mindset that if they go to the Buick (thinking back in the day) and meet with Buicks people for a couple hours Tuesday tournament week then go out and miss a cut there out 2/3 grand (hotels, caddie, travel). The majors have stipends, fun fact not a lot of people know that, but the Tour didn’t for the longest time. Now all of a sudden they’re giving earnings assurance for being a PGA Tour member (not quite a stipend, but I know I’ll be getting 500k for being a Tour member and if I’m a rookie I can take that upfront). So the PAC was always a farcical group that had no real power. There just wasn’t the incentive to listen to anyone other than Tiger at that time with Finchem, and again rightfully so. Tiger was the reason Golf got big and the Tour knew they had that ace in their pocket when they wanted to sell the PGA Tour. 

Y’all are welcome…