LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[aenemated]

A lot of things are starting to make a lot more sense in recent days. 

[RichieHunt]

2 hours ago, TheNutman said:

Pretty upset with this dude. He steals the Open from Rory, albeit well-played, a bit of a villain role. Then pads his piggy-bank with a LIV contract, but doesn't have the balls to announce it so he can double-dip in the playoffs. Then, once he's done extracting all the PGA money he will switch to LIV. Thoughts? 

 

I've been labeled as anti-LIV, but I really have no problem with players taking the money and playing the LIV Tour.  I just don't like the players that have taken to bash the PGA Tour to make themselves look like a victim and most of their claims are inaccurate, shortsighted and just flat out false.

 

So for Smith, if he goes to the LIV Tour after the FedEx he did the smart thing.  He bet on himself and it worked out.

 

He knew he was in contention for the FedEx Cup and didn't jump the gun and go to the LIV Tour.  He was likely to make more money by completing the FedEx playoffs than he would have on the LIV Tour events.  And if he wins the Cup, he's now given himself a ton of leverage in dealing with the LIV Tour and endorsement deals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

RH

[mitchl]

3 hours ago, TheNutman said:

Pretty upset with this dude. He steals the Open from Rory, albeit well-played, a bit of a villain role. Then pads his piggy-bank with a LIV contract, but doesn't have the balls to announce it so he can double-dip in the playoffs. Then, once he's done extracting all the PGA money he will switch to LIV. Thoughts? 

he didn’t steal anything from Rory.   If you want to root against him this week, or next, or in Atlanta, that’s fine.   
I’m not a fan, but he does play some great golf.   
 

but saying he doesn’t have the balls to announce?   At least he’s not saying he is dedicated to the tour, just to flip 180 in a month or two or whenever and if he does go.
 

what kind of testicular fortitude does the dude have to be the subject of everyone’s rumors, to be in the Locker room with all these guys who are suspicious and a bit mad…. And all the while performing at the level he is.   
 

until he leaves the PGA, the only duty he has is to play hard… hopefully if he goes, he will resign his membership as DJ did.
 

 

[idrive]

Personally, I don't think it's the least bit coincidental that GN poached so many former Masters champs...

 

Simply another part of the GN revenge exhibition. He thinks he's really showing them...

[jt2gt]

13 hours ago, mitchl said:

he didn’t steal anything from Rory.   If you want to root against him this week, or next, or in Atlanta, that’s fine.   
I’m not a fan, but he does play some great golf.   
 

but saying he doesn’t have the balls to announce?   At least he’s not saying he is dedicated to the tour, just to flip 180 in a month or two or whenever and if he does go.
 

what kind of testicular fortitude does the dude have to be the subject of everyone’s rumors, to be in the Locker room with all these guys who are suspicious and a bit mad…. And all the while performing at the level he is.   
 

until he leaves the PGA, the only duty he has is to play hard… hopefully if he goes, he will resign his membership as DJ did.
 

 

Not fortitude, but just doesn’t care what anyone thinks. Closer to DJ’s attitude and mindset than anything else. 

[bscinstnct]

Imagine CS win 18MM, like 30MM for the year and go join dopey liv?!

 

Maybe he already signed but how great would it be if

 

he didn’t yet!

 

And tell Norman to get lost 🤣

 

Cmon Cam, you got the world by the tail, don’t join the traveling circus!

Edited August 13, 2022 by bscinstnct

[Potatohead]

19 hours ago, tiderider said:

they will never disallow a previous champion because they joined a circus to play exhibition golf ... they're still a masters champion ... 

 

I guess we’ll see, they can do whatever they want. Fred Ridley already had sent out warning shots about it before players defected. 
 

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by Potatohead

[Forged4ever]

On 8/12/2022 at 8:18 PM, RichieHunt said:

 

I've been labeled as anti-LIV, but I really have no problem with players taking the money and playing the LIV Tour.  I just don't like the players that have taken to bash the PGA Tour to make themselves look like a victim and most of their claims are inaccurate, shortsighted and just flat out false.

 

 

 

 

 

 

RH

How bout the PGA Tour boys who have taken to bashing the LIV Tour to make themselves and the PGA Tour look like victims? The same could be said about most of the garbage that has come out of their mouths, as most of their claims are inaccurate, shortsighted and just flat out false. 
 

 

 

 

RPJ II

Edited August 14, 2022 by Forged4ever

[bscinstnct]

2 hours ago, Forged4ever said:

How bout the PGA Tour boys who have taken to bashing the LIV Tour to make themselves and the PGA Tour look like victims? The same could be said about most of the garbage that has come out of their mouths, as their most of their statements were/are inaccurate, shortsighted and just flat out false. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RPJ II

 

Richarrrrrd! Looking good.

 

But that hat is weak bro 🤣

 

; ) Cheers 🍻 

 

 

 

[00steven]

On 8/12/2022 at 11:02 AM, ahenderX said:

I’m not convinced all majors will allow LIV players, even those with exemptions. 

They wouldn’t really be major at all after that IMO. See the Indy 500 1996-1999 without the some of the best competitors for reference. Smith, DJ, Brooks, Bryson, Phil need to be there. IMO

[idrive]

Now that's an ugly hat.

 

Looks like a 3rd grader designed it.

 

Question - who sued who?

 

4 hours ago, Forged4ever said:

How bout the PGA Tour boys who have taken to bashing the LIV Tour to make themselves and the PGA Tour look like victims? The same could be said about most of the garbage that has come out of their mouths, as most of their claima are inaccurate, shortsighted and just flat out false. 
 

 

 

 

RPJ II

 

 

 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

4 hours ago, Forged4ever said:

How bout the PGA Tour boys who have taken to bashing the LIV Tour to make themselves and the PGA Tour look like victims? The same could be said about most of the garbage that has come out of their mouths, as most of their claima are inaccurate, shortsighted and just flat out false. 
 

 

 

 

RPJ II

Nice to see you looking healthy but the hat sucks 😂

[Ezgolfer]

5 hours ago, Forged4ever said:

How bout the PGA Tour boys who have taken to bashing the LIV Tour to make themselves and the PGA Tour look like victims? The same could be said about most of the garbage that has come out of their mouths, as most of their claima are inaccurate, shortsighted and just flat out false. 
 

 

 

 

RPJ II

Weak… ….

Expected better comments from the Burgh like go dig out of the dirt

[RichieHunt]

6 hours ago, Forged4ever said:

How bout the PGA Tour boys who have taken to bashing the LIV Tour to make themselves and the PGA Tour look like victims? The same could be said about most of the garbage that has come out of their mouths, as most of their claima are inaccurate, shortsighted and just flat out false. 

 

I was at Greensboro working with clients on Tuesday.  Talking to the Tour players the general vibe was that they respected the players that made the decision to go to the LIV Tour and there were some that would take the offer (at least seriously consider it) if the LIV Tour came a knockin'.

 

That being said, they don't agree with the tact that some of the players have used and being dishonest about it.  Contrary to what social media believes, the players on Tour largely support Jay Monahan.  They know that the LIV Tour is attempting to make the PGA Tour a feeder Tour and Monahan, in turn, is trying to prevent that from happening.

 

They know that there's not a single player on the LIV Tour that would play all of the 14 mandated LIV Tour events and then play the minimum 15 events required by the PGA Tour.  It's just not going to happen.

 

The guys that I've heard attack the LIV Tour because it's Saudi backed is Rory McIlroy and that's about it.  The rest have bashed the players like Mickelson...who was telling players that the PGA Tour was withholding $20B in names and likenesses from them which is an outright lie.

 

Or the claim that the PGA Tour 'stole' talent from the Australian and European Tours.  The PGA Tour never sought out players from Australia or Europe (or even the US), never offered them guaranteed money to play.  Nor did the PGA Tour hold tournaments in Australia or Europe at the same time Aussie and Euro Tour events were going on.

 

And what was the PGA Tour supposed to do?  Reduce their purse sizes so it wasn't appealing to play in the US?  Not allow international players to play on Tour even though they were willing to qualify for the Tour?  

 

Even in Monahan's interview with Jim Nantz he never bashed the Saudi's and even stated, point blank, that they've allowed players to play tournaments in Saudi Arabia.

 

The bashing of the Saudis has been largely done by the media and Rory McIlroy.  

 

I certainly see the hypocrisy with Rory being endorsed by Nike who is largely tied to China and their track record of human rights is rotten.  But I don't know if his criticisms are off base.

 

The same goes for the media.  You could argue that Chamblee was incorrect on reporting that the prize earnings are recouped against the LIV Tour contracts.  But the LIV Tour's lawyer stated, in court, that the money was recouped against the contract on Tuesday (LIV Tour officials have stated that this was still not the case).

 

The LIV Tour pros have stated that it's like 'winning the lottery' to be on the LIV Tour...and they still want to double dip...particularly after bashing the Tour that supposedly oppresses them so much.  

 

It's just an amazing amount of dishonesty all for a sports league that isn't stopping them from playing for another league where they can make 4-6x as much (not including the guaranteed contracts), is paying for a large amount of their travel expenses and at half the schedule.  

 

One of my clients went to the LIV Tour.  I was elated for him to do so because it mean more money and a lighter schedule so he can spend more time with his family, particularly as his children head into their teenage years.  Most players on Tour 'get it' and respect that decision.  Of course it helps when he's just upfront and honest and says that he had a great career playing the PGA Tour, but the money and schedule was too good to pass up instead of making inane pizza shop customer analogies and claims that the Tour unfairly owns their media rights and how the Tour stole talent from other Tours or Scottie Scheffler purposely walked in Cam Smith's line to get back at him for allegedly signing with the LIV Tour.

 

 

 

 

 

RH

 

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by RichieHunt

[idrive]

3 hours ago, 00steven said:

They wouldn’t really be major at all after that IMO. See the Indy 500 1996-1999 without the some of the best competitors for reference. Smith, DJ, Brooks, Bryson, Phil need to be there. IMO

 

Well, IMO you got 2 out of 5 right.

[khalespace]

4 hours ago, 00steven said:

They wouldn’t really be major at all after that IMO. See the Indy 500 1996-1999 without the some of the best competitors for reference. Smith, DJ, Brooks, Bryson, Phil need to be there. IMO

Phil? LOL, he is happy to break PAR again. Brooks and Bryson combined for 1 top ten in Majors this year. 

[Forged4ever]

3 hours ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Nice to see you looking healthy but the hat sucks 😂

Thanks Brotha👊
 

I hope that your season's been Fairways & Greens⛳️
RP

[00steven]

10 minutes ago, khalespace said:

Phil? LOL, he is happy to break PAR again. Brooks and Bryson combined for 1 top ten in Majors this year. 

🙄🙄🙄

 

Phil major last year, Brooks Koepka 4 in last 5 years, Bryson most talked about golf star last year and a major two years ago, but keep pretending the tour isn’t missing these guys. Even though each of them were top 10 in PIP last year (plus DJ).

[bullie76]

8 hours ago, Forged4ever said:

How bout the PGA Tour boys who have taken to bashing the LIV Tour to make themselves and the PGA Tour look like victims? The same could be said about most of the garbage that has come out of their mouths, as most of their claims are inaccurate, shortsighted and just flat out false. 
 

 

 

 

RPJ II

 

False? Like what?

[idrive]

1 hour ago, 00steven said:

🙄🙄🙄

 

Phil major last year, Brooks Koepka 4 in last 5 years, Bryson most talked about golf star last year and a major two years ago, but keep pretending the tour isn’t missing these guys. Even though each of them were top 10 in PIP last year (plus DJ).

 

There are several players ready to step in and take their place.

 

The list is a mile long. Hopefully when they achieve fame solely because of the PGAT, they won't turn their back on the folks that made them stars.

[Valtiel]

1 hour ago, 00steven said:

🙄🙄🙄

 

Phil major last year, Brooks Koepka 4 in last 5 years, Bryson most talked about golf star last year and a major two years ago, but keep pretending the tour isn’t missing these guys. Even though each of them were top 10 in PIP last year (plus DJ).

I think the issue/argument here is despite that, ALL of them have been on noticeable declines stats wise. We'll see how Bryson recovers since we could probably make the argument that his were specific injury related, but Phil has been on a consistent and precipitous decline since 2016, and Brooks to a lesser extent since 2018. These players are valued not for what they have done but for where they are trending since that is what matters to a new venue and its future projections, and right now they're all bear stocks.

[Forged4ever]

18 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Richarrrrrd! Looking good.

 

But that hat is weak bro 🤣

 

; ) Cheers 🍻 

 

 

 

Hey Bro, how goes it👊
 

The hat was a gift from my 14yo niece, haha. She picked it up at one of those hat kiosks at her mall😂😂, so no, it's not the caliber of my ANGC embroidered hats😜🤪

 

I hope that you're well and havin a great season🏌🏻‍♂️🍻

RP

[ronsc1985]

On 8/12/2022 at 6:13 PM, TheNutman said:

Pretty upset with this dude. He steals the Open from Rory, albeit well-played, a bit of a villain role. Then pads his piggy-bank with a LIV contract, but doesn't have the balls to announce it so he can double-dip in the playoffs. Then, once he's done extracting all the PGA money he will switch to LIV. Thoughts? 

Why is it you think professional golfers play golf? It's for the money period. If they wanted just legacy they could stay armature and still get into the majors except the PGA if they could qualify.

 

Notice how all the top player's miss the lower paying events and have to be forced by the PGA Tour to appear every now and then at these events.  Professional golfers are primarily in the entertainment business. If no one watches telecasts or goes to events their income rapidly diminishes.

 

Cam is doing exactly what any savvy businessman would do , i.e. attempting to  maximize his income.

 

An interesting experiment would be to decrease the US Open prize money to 0 and run a competing event with even 1/4 the usual Open purse.  My guess is there would be a stampede to the competing event by most all the professional field.

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, Forged4ever said:

Hey Bro, how goes it👊
 

The hat was a gift from my 14yo niece, haha. She picked it up at one of those hat kiosks at her mall😂😂, so no, it's not the caliber of my ANGC embroidered hats😜🤪

 

I hope that you're well and havin a great season🏌🏻‍♂️🍻

RP

 

Awwww, well if you’re niece got it for you…then that’s nice ; )

 

Hey, now that you mention ANGC hats, I really think the Masters will ban the LIV players. 
 

Just to control the media/public narrative alone. They control every aspect of the Masters very closely. Money is not even a consideration, I’ve read they could make many x more licensing the broadcast to the highest bidders, for example, but want control of everything, even who sponsors/commercials. 
 

So, I could see them removing anything LIV related from the event. Just because they don’t want a a speck of LIV to be present or sen or commented on.  
 

Including past champions. 

Edited August 14, 2022 by bscinstnct

[Holy Moses]

Poor guy is away from the family he loves and got almost no ranking points

[Rob G 89]

If cam and hideki join before presidents cup do you see a scenario of it being cancelled? Look at the lack of talent after those 2.

 

[aenemated]

1 hour ago, ronsc1985 said:

Cam is doing exactly what any savvy businessman would do , i.e. attempting to  maximize his income.

 

No, he's doing what a dumb one would do.

 

"Be greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy." - MC Warren to the B

[subrew]

52 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Poor guy is away from the family he loves and got almost no ranking points

 

This seems to be something you keep harping on about, but fyi, Patrick Reed didn't talk about "more time with my family" as a reason for joining LIV.  He specifically talked about the format, the team aspect, and in fact "getting back to the grind and getting out there with the guys."

 

Some LIV players absolutely talked about more time with family.  But Patrick did not.  

[Stevens24]

2 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

 

 

Hey, now that you mention ANGC hats, I really think the Masters will ban the LIV players. 
 

Just to control the media/public narrative alone. They control every aspect of the Masters very closely. Money is not even a consideration, I’ve read they could make many x more licensing the broadcast to the highest bidders, for example, but want control of everything, even who sponsors/commercials. 
 

So, I could see them removing anything LIV related from the event. Just because they don’t want a a speck of LIV to be present or sen or commented on.  
 

Including past champions. 

While they want to, They will likely not have a choice as it would be severely detrimental to the image of The Masters. They will instruct the announcers to not mention the litigation which will likely be going on. But do you really think they would not invite 12-15 players who are exempt at that point no to play? The Masters views themselves as above all of that.

[betarhoalphadelta]

3 hours ago, ronsc1985 said:

 

An interesting experiment would be to decrease the US Open prize money to 0 and run a competing event with even 1/4 the usual Open purse.  My guess is there would be a stampede to the competing event by most all the professional field.

 

Disagree. 

 

The Players? Any of the other historic and "high profile" PGAT events? Yeah, probably.

 

But not a major.