Colorado WRX 2023

[bobbyclampett!!]

I’m jaded on handicap system. Too many ways it can be and is manipulated. I don’t really like playing in net competitions and don’t really like playing casual betting matches with strokes. I realize this limits my ability to have competitions against people of all skill levels and limits the likelihood I will ever win a tournament or any money in any competitions, but that doesn’t bother me. I play to improve, play against myself and the course. If I can win a match straight up or do well in a gross tournament, that’s cool. 
 

So my input probably means very little to you,@Joelness, since you play in so many tournaments and matches, including net matches, but I say do whatever you want (like @Dancin said, that’s how they do it everywhere but USA, ie only enter tournament scores), knowing that if we ever play in the same event or against each other you will likely drum me, but I’m okay with that because you’re better at golf than me!

[ztull]

8 hours ago, Joelness said:

 

Side note on Perry Park: they finished and opened the redesign of 18 this weekend. Holy s*** it's 10x better than before.

 

The moved the tees further up, turned the old green complex into fairway with the big shelf, the rock on the left and the front right green-side bunker how being a fairway bunker, and moved the green about 75 yards back and up the hill near where the old chipping green was. They put in a very tricky green complex with two bunkers right. I hit 3i (~250) and had about 170 in from the bottom of the hill. I love the shelf, the rock, and the bunker as it narrows the fairway down and forces a shot over the trees left if you're going to get aggressive. If you lay back you'll have a mid to long iron to a completely blind green.

 

They are turning the old island into a huge putting green and chipping area (maybe with a bar?) but that won't be sodded until early-mid June is my guess. You could clearly see the green staked out and they had begun moving the top layer of USGA sand around.

 

@ztull@Dancin 

I LOVE Perry Park. I used to play to the island on 18, honestly not sure if it was a bit. 
 

I keep waiting for one of the big conglomerates to snatch up Perry. Have to think it’s a matter of time, right? 

[Dancin]

I just don't understand the love for Perry Park that a lot of people have. It's pretty but the golf is very average and you can get similar scenery on other courses. The one time I played it a couple years ago I thought I would much rather play Bear Dance, The Ridge or heck, even Red Hawk over Perry Park. Now that they fixed 18, I guess I need to give it another chance.

 

In Tom Doak's original Confidential Guide, Perry Park is in his list of "Dumb Blonde" courses along with Arrowhead (pretty courses with little substance).

[deadsolid...shank]

Even though it’s a bit different for you Joel, being on the plus side of the scale, I think you’ll probably find it being a bit lower as well. Even though some people do thrive on tournament pressure and setting, it should still be “easier” in a casual setting. A lot also depends on how the casual games are played, ie picking up a putt here or there or maybe just dropping instead of heading back to the tee after an “oops”. However I do think that probably is more in play for the majority of players who aren’t on the plus side. But overall, I do think for the most part, casual play is a bit lower on average than tournament. 
 

Technically, I guess it would be called sandbagging because it does go against the rule of posting every eligible round. But I really doubt you’ll catch much flak being a +1 as opposed to a +2.5.  
 

But I’ll remember when winter skins come around!😀

[deadsolid...shank]

On 5/22/2023 at 8:27 PM, golf4pj said:

.  Anyone else finding Colorado courses doing well on recovery or still in bad shape?

I can say that in Greeley, the rough is “thriving”!

 

Good Lord,  if (and that’s a big if) you can find it, good luck doing anything with it. 

[ztull]

10 hours ago, Dancin said:

I just don't understand the love for Perry Park that a lot of people have. It's pretty but the golf is very average and you can get similar scenery on other courses. The one time I played it a couple years ago I thought I would much rather play Bear Dance, The Ridge or heck, even Red Hawk over Perry Park. Now that they fixed 18, I guess I need to give it another chance.

 

In Tom Doak's original Confidential Guide, Perry Park is in his list of "Dumb Blonde" courses along with Arrowhead (pretty courses with little substance).

I am looking at a later version of Doak's Confidential Guide (2016) Tom gave the course a 4 (out of 9, modestly interesting, of little substance). The knock is that the course is short and tight. He does note "the peace and quiet of the setting make the scenery that much better."

IMO Bear Dance, a paint by numbers offering from the Nicklaus Group exists in hundreds of iterations. The Ridge offers a high standard of service, but you're just playing through south metro suburban sprawl. Outside of the hospitality, my favorite thing about The Ridge are views of CPGC. Red Hawk is unique from a design standpoint, but I have the same problem with houses, and the course is EASY. 

I think more fair comparisons for Perry Park are the metro area's other red rocks courses, Arrowhead and Red Rocks. Red Rocks has two red rocks holes (5 and 15), and four incredible holes to end things in 15-18. It has been a while, but If I'm remembering correctly Arrowhead has three good holes, total. The place is a zoo. Perry Park in a landslide. If nothing else, for most of the round it feels like you are amongst the red rocks at PP.

Really digging deep, but the other fair comparison would be rustic/serene private clubs in the metro area. I haven't played Ravenna, CPGC, or CPCC but obviously Perry Park ain't Colorado Golf Club. It's also miles behind Rolling Hills

[Dancin]

Doak's scale goes to 10 btw although there are only a couple 10s in the world. 3-4 is the average course in the world. It's ok for you to love Perry Park. Lots of people do. I just see an average course in a pretty setting. Nothing hugely objectionable now that they fixed 18 (although I'd cut down the big pine tree 30 yards in front of 16 tee box that blocks half the fairway and forces you to hit a cut). For my preferences I'd choose to play every course you listed over Perry Park except Arrowhead which deserves to be blown up and given to an architect that could make something interesting.

 

I do agree that a good architect could have made something much better on the land that Bear Dance occupies but I think what was done is pretty good (not worth the prime summer rates they charge though). I love the layout at Red Rocks but they suffer from having a membership that doesn't want to spend money unless they have to. They did open the pocket book to renovate a couple holes recently that turned out much better than they were, but every time I've played it conditions are not up to other good private courses.

Edited May 24, 2023 by Dancin

[ztull]

7 minutes ago, Dancin said:

Doak's scale goes to 10 btw although there are only a couple 10s in the world. 3-4 is the average course in the world. It's ok for you to love Perry Park. Lots of people do. I just see an average course in a pretty setting. Nothing hugely objectionable now that they fixed 18 (although I'd cut down the big pine tree 30 yards in front of 16 tee box that blocks half the fairway and forces you to hit a cut). For my preferences I'd choose to play every course you listed over Perry Park except Arrowhead which deserves to be blown up and given to an architect that could make something interesting.

 

I do agree that a good architect could have made something much better on the land that Bear Dance occupies but I think what was done is pretty good (not worth the prime summer rates they charge though). I love the layout at Red Rocks but they suffer from having a membership that doesn't want to spend money unless they have to. They did open the pocket book to renovate a couple holes recently that turned out much better than they were, but every time I've played it conditions are not up to other good private courses.

New six at Red Rocks looks amazing. I gave the architect a ton of kudos on Twitter, he was very gracious.

He wouldn't entertain my pitch for the course, move two tee back onto the hills behind the current tee (currently un-utilized) push two green back to the chipping area behind two green for a par five. That gives you a par 72 and a MUCH better second hole. 

We are in full agreement about the need for Arrowhead to be stricken from the earth. Honestly put in houses and a few strip malls 😉 

[Joelness]

17 hours ago, Dancin said:

You know you are a 0 and not a +2 Joel. Don't fight it and let the system help you. 😉

 

 

 

I was hoping this would be the case while I was working out injury and winter kinks, especially with our member-guest in mid-June. Considering my last few rounds and the way I'm playing now it will not happen. Tbh, I would rather play better anyway so I'm not disappointed at least.

 

13 hours ago, ztull said:

I LOVE Perry Park. I used to play to the island on 18, honestly not sure if it was a bit. 
 

I keep waiting for one of the big conglomerates to snatch up Perry. Have to think it’s a matter of time, right? 

 

I like it but I wouldn't say I love it. I have no idea but I don't think the ownership or membership would ever give it up to a corp. It's clear that their culture is "we're a small tight-knit mountain course.... come and try to take it." We played an E-9 8-some after the skins game and it seemed absolutely normal. 

[ztull]

19 minutes ago, Joelness said:

I like it but I wouldn't say I love it. I have no idea but I don't think the ownership or membership would ever give it up to a corp. It's clear that their culture is "we're a small tight-knit mountain course.... come and try to take it." We played an E-9 8-some after the skins game and it seemed absolutely normal. 

Always here for gangsomes. 

I got BIG come and take it vibes from Hiwan, when they went to concert my thinking towards a Perry Park acquisition or recap went from likely to eminent, ALTHOUGH I keep getting emails that they are going to cap their membership....

Also I know nothing about Perry Park as a club. I got the sense that the membership skewed older, is that the case?

[TheKrushh]

23 hours ago, Joelness said:

I've been doing a somewhat unconventional handicapping of myself and I'm curious to hear some takes. It's controversial and if you don't like it or me for my practice of it then so be it. I'm here to be honest and get honest opinions:

For the last several years (maybe 5) I haven't posted a single round that isn't for money or competition. To be frank, this is because my home course rating from the tips is +3 (CO National & Fox Hill.) The GHIN rules state that I should post every round, but the ones that really matter are in competition anyway. I've been doing this so I don't shoot even while f****** around with friends and need to post a +3 differential. Especially because real tournament golf is much different and more difficult. At the end of the day, if I'm a +3 or +4 I'm not going to play in any net events anyway. At least this way I'm around a +1 or +2 most of the time, which still makes anything net SUCK but at least it sucks less.

 

This year since I'm coming back from a major injury I started posting everything to try and get an accurate measurement of where I am currently and cycle out all the pre-injury rounds that had my cap at a +2.7 (I was playing pretty good last year.)  Six of my oldest eight rounds count and are about to fall off. Ironically, I've started playing some really solid golf (-2 Sunday at CGA Four-ball, -1 in league last week, and -2 at Perry Park Sunday.) I decided since I'm doing that this year that I will post everything for the rest of the year.

 

Questions:

1. Do you consider my old way sandbagging? I think it technically is, though nobody bitches about a + cap sandbagging and IMO the entire system doesn't take into account how much more difficult it is for me to shoot 3 better than my cap than the 20 handicap that played average and whooped my a** in match play when I shot 68.
2. Do you think my handicap will be higher or lower this year with me going back to the "correct" way?
3. What would you do in my shoes?

 Is it technically wrong? Yes. Is it helping or hurting your handicap? It really depends on how much effort/ stress happens that's different than your tournament game. I play much better when I'm screwing around and drinking beers but other people play sloppy when it's not a tournament.

 

-Almost every 0 or better I know does their handicap this way whether they say it or not. Especially with the new system, one or two low heaters will absolutely smoke your handicap. 

 

It really is up to you. Having played with you, I know you typically play every ball properly (lost ball re-tee) so your score should be relatively accurate. I play with guys who will just drop up by the lost ball which is basically a free stroke or they'll kick back six footer that doesn't matter to the game. If that happens I will add a stroke to my posted score from what they gave me on the card to keep it legitimate. 

 

We have guys at our course that only post tournament scores to stay relevant for the member events. People throw a fit when those guys shoot 64 or whatever. But let's be honest, net events lead to everyone getting pissed at whoever wins...

[ztull]

24 minutes ago, TheKrushh said:

 Is it technically wrong? Yes. Is it helping or hurting your handicap? It really depends on how much effort/ stress happens that's different than your tournament game. I play much better when I'm screwing around and drinking beers but other people play sloppy when it's not a tournament.

 

-Almost every 0 or better I know does their handicap this way whether they say it or not. Especially with the new system, one or two low heaters will absolutely smoke your handicap. 

 

It really is up to you. Having played with you, I know you typically play every ball properly (lost ball re-tee) so your score should be relatively accurate. I play with guys who will just drop up by the lost ball which is basically a free stroke or they'll kick back six footer that doesn't matter to the game. If that happens I will add a stroke to my posted score from what they gave me on the card to keep it legitimate. 

 

We have guys at our course that only post tournament scores to stay relevant for the member events. People throw a fit when those guys shoot 64 or whatever. But let's be honest, net events lead to everyone getting pissed at whoever wins...

Bump here.

I don't know anyone on the right side of scratch who posts anything but tournament rounds. I'd argue this is a more accurate reflection of their actual handicap because most of them rarely if ever use a net format. 

[Dancin]

58 minutes ago, ztull said:

Always here for gangsomes. 

I got BIG come and take it vibes from Hiwan, when they went to concert my thinking towards a Perry Park acquisition or recap went from likely to eminent, ALTHOUGH I keep getting emails that they are going to cap their membership....

Also I know nothing about Perry Park as a club. I got the sense that the membership skewed older, is that the case?

Hiwan was owned by a family partnership that wanted to cash out after 56 years. Perry Park is member owned. It's not going to sell to a corporation unless it is struggling to maintain itself and losing members.

[ztull]

2 minutes ago, Dancin said:

Hiwan was owned by a family partnership that wanted to cash out after 56 years. Perry Park is member owned. It's not going to sell to a corporation unless it is struggling to maintain itself and losing members.

Thanks for this.

If emails from Perry Park's membership director are to be believed they are thriving.

[Joelness]

13 hours ago, Dancin said:

I just don't understand the love for Perry Park that a lot of people have. It's pretty but the golf is very average and you can get similar scenery on other courses. The one time I played it a couple years ago I thought I would much rather play Bear Dance, The Ridge or heck, even Red Hawk over Perry Park. Now that they fixed 18, I guess I need to give it another chance.

 

In Tom Doak's original Confidential Guide, Perry Park is in his list of "Dumb Blonde" courses along with Arrowhead (pretty courses with little substance).

1 hour ago, Dancin said:

Doak's scale goes to 10 btw although there are only a couple 10s in the world. 3-4 is the average course in the world. It's ok for you to love Perry Park. Lots of people do. I just see an average course in a pretty setting. Nothing hugely objectionable now that they fixed 18 (although I'd cut down the big pine tree 30 yards in front of 16 tee box that blocks half the fairway and forces you to hit a cut). For my preferences I'd choose to play every course you listed over Perry Park except Arrowhead which deserves to be blown up and given to an architect that could make something interesting.

 

I do agree that a good architect could have made something much better on the land that Bear Dance occupies but I think what was done is pretty good (not worth the prime summer rates they charge though). I love the layout at Red Rocks but they suffer from having a membership that doesn't want to spend money unless they have to. They did open the pocket book to renovate a couple holes recently that turned out much better than they were, but every time I've played it conditions are not up to other good private courses.

 

I'm not sure I've ever seen you disagree with Doak. I'm curious to see it. When I think about the course my favorite thing about it is that it's a fair test of golf. It's entirely too rare to find a fair, playable mountain golf course. Bear Dance is a great example of an unplayable, unfair golf course that I would LOATHE to play anything competitive on. I find Perry to be a great time with well thought out elevation change and a few forced shot shaping. Overall the greens are pretty big slopes and definitely serve as the primary difficulty of the course. Sure, there's nothing gimmicky, outrageous, or new architecturally but I find it well thought out and fun to be on. It's one of the few mountain courses that I would actually be happy playing every day.

 

1 hour ago, ztull said:

Always here for gangsomes. 

I got BIG come and take it vibes from Hiwan, when they went to concert my thinking towards a Perry Park acquisition or recap went from likely to eminent, ALTHOUGH I keep getting emails that they are going to cap their membership....

Also I know nothing about Perry Park as a club. I got the sense that the membership skewed older, is that the case?

 

Much like the rest of the CO private golf scene the membership did skew older pre-2020 but it doesn't appear that way much longer. We ended up with 14 guys for a scratch skins game with the oldest players in their 50's. Of all the people I saw while playing I noticed 2 groups that were 65+ but the vast majority I saw was in their 40's. As far as overall membership numbers they are again just like the rest of CO golf, pre-2020 they needed members and now they are trying to keep them away. I'm pretty sure my buddy told me he paid $3k and now initiation is $25k

[ztull]

19 minutes ago, Joelness said:

 

I'm not sure I've ever seen you disagree with Doak. I'm curious to see it. When I think about the course my favorite thing about it is that it's a fair test of golf. It's entirely too rare to find a fair, playable mountain golf course. Bear Dance is a great example of an unplayable, unfair golf course that I would LOATHE to play anything competitive on. I find Perry to be a great time with well thought out elevation change and a few forced shot shaping. Overall the greens are pretty big slopes and definitely serve as the primary difficulty of the course. Sure, there's nothing gimmicky, outrageous, or new architecturally but I find it well thought out and fun to be on. It's one of the few mountain courses that I would actually be happy playing every day.

 

 

Much like the rest of the CO private golf scene the membership did skew older pre-2020 but it doesn't appear that way much longer. We ended up with 14 guys for a scratch skins game with the oldest players in their 50's. Of all the people I saw while playing I noticed 2 groups that were 65+ but the vast majority I saw was in their 40's. As far as overall membership numbers they are again just like the rest of CO golf, pre-2020 they needed members and now they are trying to keep them away. I'm pretty sure my buddy told me he paid $3k and now initiation is $25k

Some iteration of that scratch skins game predates Covid. I'd come down with some other folks who worked at Pole Creek summer 2007, GREAT venue for that format.

[Dancin]

28 minutes ago, Joelness said:

 

I'm not sure I've ever seen you disagree with Doak. I'm curious to see it. When I think about the course my favorite thing about it is that it's a fair test of golf. It's entirely too rare to find a fair, playable mountain golf course. Bear Dance is a great example of an unplayable, unfair golf course that I would LOATHE to play anything competitive on. I find Perry to be a great time with well thought out elevation change and a few forced shot shaping. Overall the greens are pretty big slopes and definitely serve as the primary difficulty of the course. Sure, there's nothing gimmicky, outrageous, or new architecturally but I find it well thought out and fun to be on. It's one of the few mountain courses that I would actually be happy playing every day.

I'm not disagreeing with Doak. Doak considers Perry Park an average course with nothing objectionable and nice scenery that bumps it up a notch. Now that 18 is fixed, that is what I would say it is too. If it was closer I'd bump it up a little more, but as a 1:15 drive, there are a bunch of other closer courses I would rather play.

 

It's probably been 5 years since I last played Bear Dance. I don't remember anything unfair, just that the green complexes were pretty boring and could have been made a little more undulating. I'll get back there this fall if they drop the rates a little.

 

Did you mean to say Red Hawk? I could see someone saying that course is unfair but I like Jim Engh courses.

Edited May 24, 2023 by Dancin

[ztull]

1 minute ago, Dancin said:

I'm not disagreeing with Doak. Doak considers Perry Park an average course with nothing objectionable and nice scenery that bumps it up a notch. Now that 18 is fixed, that is what I would say it is too. If it was closer I'd bump it up a little more, but as a 1:15 drive, there are a bunch of other closer courses I would rather play.

 

It's probably been 5 years since I last played Bear Dance. I don't remember anything unfair, just that the green complexes were pretty boring and could have been made a little more undulating. I'll get back there this fall if they drop the rates a little.

In years past the twilight rate has been absolutely stellar. 

[Dancin]

36 minutes ago, ztull said:

Thanks for this.

If emails from Perry Park's membership director are to be believed they are thriving.

Ballyneal is probably more likely to sell to a corporation before Perry Park unfortunately. It will be a sad day when Curlander tires of owning it.

[ztull]

1 minute ago, Dancin said:

Ballyneal is probably more likely to sell to a corporation before Perry Park unfortunately. It will be a sad day when Curlander tires of owning it.

Have to think it would go member owned, right??

If a contingent of the club objected you could differentiate between equity and non-equity memberships.

[Joelness]

48 minutes ago, TheKrushh said:

 Is it technically wrong? Yes. Is it helping or hurting your handicap? It really depends on how much effort/ stress happens that's different than your tournament game. I play much better when I'm screwing around and drinking beers but other people play sloppy when it's not a tournament.

 

-Almost every 0 or better I know does their handicap this way whether they say it or not. Especially with the new system, one or two low heaters will absolutely smoke your handicap. 

 

It really is up to you. Having played with you, I know you typically play every ball properly (lost ball re-tee) so your score should be relatively accurate. I play with guys who will just drop up by the lost ball which is basically a free stroke or they'll kick back six footer that doesn't matter to the game. If that happens I will add a stroke to my posted score from what they gave me on the card to keep it legitimate. 

 

We have guys at our course that only post tournament scores to stay relevant for the member events. People throw a fit when those guys shoot 64 or whatever. But let's be honest, net events lead to everyone getting pissed at whoever wins...

22 minutes ago, ztull said:

Bump here.

I don't know anyone on the right side of scratch who posts anything but tournament rounds. I'd argue this is a more accurate reflection of their actual handicap because most of them rarely if ever use a net format. 

 

Thanks for the opinions gents. Good to know this is more common than I thought.

11 minutes ago, Dancin said:

I'm not disagreeing with Doak. Doak considers Perry Park an average course with nothing objectionable and nice scenery that bumps it up a notch. Now that 18 is fixed, that is what I would say it is too. If it was closer I'd bump it up a little more, but as a 1:15 drive, there are a bunch of other closer courses I would rather play.

 

It's probably been 5 years since I last played Bear Dance. I don't remember anything unfair, just that the green complexes were pretty boring and could have been made a little more undulating. I'll get back there this fall if they drop the rates a little.

 

Did you mean to say Red Hawk? I could see someone saying that course is unfair but I like Jim Engh courses.

 

Bad writing but what I meant was: do you have anything you disagree with Doak on?

 

I definitely meant to say Bear Dance. I hate playing any competition round where you lose a ball if you miss a fairway. It does not lead to accurate scoring or a fair test of golf IMO. I'm down to play those courses for the experience, but I hate putting money on the line while playing them.

[Dancin]

5 minutes ago, Joelness said:

 

Thanks for the opinions gents. Good to know this is more common than I thought.

 

Bad writing but what I meant was: do you have anything you disagree with Doak on?

 

I definitely meant to say Bear Dance. I hate playing any competition round where you lose a ball if you miss a fairway. It does not lead to accurate scoring or a fair test of golf IMO. I'm down to play those courses for the experience, but I hate putting money on the line while playing them.

I can understand that. You definitely shouldn't play for money on Ravenna then. I like the course other than it requires a cart, but I'd go through way too many balls if I played there all the time. Most missed fairways result in an irretrievable ball.

 

I have never played a Doak course I didn't think was way above average and I think he is the best golf architect still alive today. I think he could have done better at Old MacDonald and there are a few holes on it that just don't work well. There are also a couple holes on it that I would put in the top 10 holes at Bandon. One thing I would probably disagree completely with him on is Wolf Creek in Mesquite. Doak thinks it is a 0 that never should have been built. I haven't played it yet, but I think I would like it as a novelty from what I have seen in videos.

Edited May 24, 2023 by Dancin

[thaar]

I am definitely an offender of me not posting all of my scores, but I have a feeling that would only make my handicap worse so maybe I should lol. I tend to have a lot of BS rounds with friends and/or practice rounds to see how I might approach a hole differently, try different shots, etc.

[ztull]

13 minutes ago, Joelness said:

 

Thanks for the opinions gents. Good to know this is more common than I thought.

 

Bad writing but what I meant was: do you have anything you disagree with Doak on?

 

I definitely meant to say Bear Dance. I hate playing any competition round where you lose a ball if you miss a fairway. It does not lead to accurate scoring or a fair test of golf IMO. I'm down to play those courses for the experience, but I hate putting money on the line while playing them.

Doak calls Keystone ranch his favorite of the older generation of Colorado mountain courses. My favorite is the original 18 at Pole Creek (Meadow Ranch) and it's not close.

He also says that none of the holes at West Denver's Pinehurst CC are boring, here I disagree stridently.

[Dancin]

19 minutes ago, ztull said:

Have to think it would go member owned, right??

If a contingent of the club objected you could differentiate between equity and non-equity memberships.

He is sole owner. There is a member board that advises, but he can basically do whatever he wants. It would take a crazy amount of money to buy it given the amount of investment that has been made in it. I'm pretty sure he is getting a very good return on all of his investment, but I do not think the premium someone would have to pay to buy it would get a very good return. I also am not positive the membership would willingly put up the kind of money he would want to cash out his investment. 70% is national members that go there a few times a year and the extra $5k in dues is very little compared to dues at the local clubs they belong to. There's so much competition for national members at really good courses that are much easier to get to and I think a lot of them would go that route rather than kicking in a bunch of equity money for Ballyneal. I also find it hard to believe any corporation would pay what he would be asking for a place with a short season so far away from a major airport.

 

That's the one good thing is that there likely isn't anyone willing to give him the stupid amount of money it would take for him to walk away. Worst case is something happens to him and his inheritors decide they don't care about the income from it and just want whatever they can get for it to be done with it. In that situation a corporation is most likely the one willing to put up the highest bid.

[Dancin]

Ha. Coal Creek is making changes to their Top Tracer range to "deliver the best quality experience to our participants". I guess I wasn't the only one that couldn't maintain a connection to the system.

[ASak10]

I played GVR today. I must say, I’m impressed with what they’ve been doing out there. Some of it is purely aesthetics that don’t really matter, but as an example there are new signs/posts when you drive into the lot and they look great. But as for the actual golf side, the Trackman range is great! I’ve never been on one so it took me a few minutes to get set up and connected but once I did,

it worked great. Very fun and each hitting station has a little stand to put your phone/iPad on while you hit. The course was in nice shape too and holy cow, some of the rough/native areas are grown out denser and higher than I’ve seen in a while. Thankfully it seems like most of the new home construction is done so no more endless compressors and nail guns going off while you play. Today made me want to actually go back and play GVR more. 

[golf4pj]

8 hours ago, thaar said:

I am definitely an offender of me not posting all of my scores, but I have a feeling that would only make my handicap worse so maybe I should lol. I tend to have a lot of BS rounds with friends and/or practice rounds to see how I might approach a hole differently, try different shots, etc.

I have a buddy who never posts his bad scores because his ego won’t let him.  He’s more interested in how low his GHIN is.  I played in a handicapped tourney with him once…he couldn’t play anywhere near his handicap.  Needless to say, never partnered with him again.

[thaar]

11 hours ago, ASak10 said:

I played GVR today. I must say, I’m impressed with what they’ve been doing out there. Some of it is purely aesthetics that don’t really matter, but as an example there are new signs/posts when you drive into the lot and they look great. But as for the actual golf side, the Trackman range is great! I’ve never been on one so it took me a few minutes to get set up and connected but once I did,

it worked great. Very fun and each hitting station has a little stand to put your phone/iPad on while you hit. The course was in nice shape too and holy cow, some of the rough/native areas are grown out denser and higher than I’ve seen in a while. Thankfully it seems like most of the new home construction is done so no more endless compressors and nail guns going off while you play. Today made me want to actually go back and play GVR more. 

I used to be in the men's club out there years ago and like the course quite a bit, but Pat Hamill thinks the course is better than it is. Over the years, they have continually jacked the prices up out there to the point where I don't think it's worth it anymore. I don't think it's a $100+ caliber course particularly with the terrible pace of play on the weekends. They also ran out a lot of the good people that worked there.  

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1 hour ago, thaar said:

I used to be in the men's club out there years ago and like the course quite a bit, but Pat Hamill thinks the course is better than it is. Over the years, they have continually jacked the prices up out there to the point where I don't think it's worth it anymore. I don't think it's a $100+ caliber course particularly with the terrible pace of play on the weekends. They also ran out a lot of the good people that worked there.  

 
Oh I totally agree with this. I would not play on the weekend and pay the $100+ they want. Yesterday was $77 with cart though and I think that’s fairly reasonable for that course. I do hate that they got rid of just having balls on the range and now sell buckets. You do get a small bucket included with the round at least.