New Rapsodo Product/Launch?

[mktrout]

Wow. Game changer 

[Eeecc]

1 hour ago, sociojeje said:

Great! I may get one if subscription isn't necessary for the shot data. I don't care about virtual courses or coaching. 

 

Edit. Okay you need subscription for the spin and dual camera. I am much less interested. 

so subscription is needed for spin and dual camera…if no dual camera besides spin what else it can’t measure so u know? Does it affect simulation? 
 

I mean $200 a year is a small price if it is good but still 

[Simpsonia]

I tried to do some math on the GC4 numbers vs the MLM2 from the video for spin axis vs sidespin(RPM). They didn't show the GC4 for very many, but of the 3 that I managed to find and do the numbers on, spin axis looked pretty damn close on the 7-iron and driver, but was wildly off for the wedge shot (by a factor of about 2). Pretty damned impressive to get the spin axis as close as it did on the driver and 7-iron though at that price point. 

 

 

Driver:

MLM2: 4175 total spin, 21.6* spin axis; sin(21.6)*4175 = 1536rpm sidespin 

GC4: 1574rpm sidespin

 

7iron:

MLM2: 3667 total spin, -14.2* spin axis; sin(14.2L)*3667 = 899L rpm

GC4: 894L side spin

 

Wedge: 9639 total spin, -3.7* spin axis; sin(3.7L)*9639 = 507L rpm

GC4: 1154L sidespin

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Announcement https://finance.yahoo.com/news/rapsodo-announces-mobile-launch-monitor-140000580.html

[GolfANA]

Do we know yet whether club path is measured or is it calculated by the spin / direction numbers?

[Bubbtubbs]

14 minutes ago, GolfANA said:

Do we know yet whether club path is measured or is it calculated by the spin / direction numbers?

One of the press releases yesterday said 6 of the metrics are directly measured. With the way the unit seems to function, it's safe to say that ball speed, VLA, HLA, spin and spin axis are five of them. The last is likely club speed.

 

Edit: this assumes that there isn't some hair-splitting where spin and spin axis are considered derived values because it's calculated from the images.

Edited January 26, 2023 by Bubbtubbs

[zap311]

Here’s the breakdown:

 

MLM 2 Pro Data Parameters

Measured Metrics

Club Speed

Ball Speed

Launch Angle

Launch Direction

Spin Rate (Rapsodo Ball)

Spin Axis

Calculated Metrics

Carry/Total Distance

Smash Factor

Apex

Shot Type

Side Carry

Descent Angle

[radiman]

Wow.  Impressive little unit.  But, the need for marked balls honestly takes it out of the picture for me.  

[Triple Lindy]

Love seeing another sub $1,000 device hitting the market! I’m not a fan of subscription-based products, but can get past that for the ability to walk out of my back door and get some practice in, especially if the measurements are accurate. I was hoping that radar wasn’t a component, as I still have challenges preventing wedges and short irons from sailing into my neighbor’s backyard because of the measurement distance needed from ball to net.

 

The price point is at least realistic for the average consumer. Even Skytrak is out of my range, so this seems to be an alternative to Garmin, with hopefully more accurate spin rate.

[stuman74]

So wait, if I get this and take it to some random outdoor driving range (so not using a bunch of specialized golf balls with dots on them) which measurements would I lose?  Only spin rate and spin axis?

[Bubbtubbs]

56 minutes ago, zap311 said:

Here’s the breakdown:

 

MLM 2 Pro Data Parameters

Measured Metrics

Club Speed

Ball Speed

Launch Angle

Launch Direction

Spin Rate (Rapsodo Ball)

Spin Axis

Calculated Metrics

Carry/Total Distance

Smash Factor

Apex

Shot Type

Side Carry

Descent Angle

This is what I imagined.

 

Edit: @stuman74 yes.

Edited January 26, 2023 by Bubbtubbs

[hammersia]

Not convinced this is offering anything over the R10 at the moment, honestly. 

[zap311]

FYI - good rundown of the product from the Rapsodo team at the PGA show. 
 

Still requires 6 feet behind the ball and 8 feet of flight after the ball. He also mentioned that you will not get spin or spin axis without the Callaway ball. 
 

 

[radiman]

2 minutes ago, zap311 said:

FYI - good rundown of the product from the Rapsodo team at the PGA show. 
 

Still requires 6 feet behind the ball and 8 feet of flight after the ball. He also mentioned that you will not get spin or spin axis without the Callaway ball. 
 

 

Well, that's not ideal.  But, it is a step in the right direction of getting accurate meaningful data at an affordable price.  Maybe it will be upgraded over time with new firmware that will allow range use?  

[stuman74]

1 hour ago, Bubbtubbs said:

This is what I imagined.

 

Edit: @stuman74 yes.

Thank you!

 

Also, can this finally measure swing speed without striking a ball?  My MLM cannot and for 2 years when I emailed support a couple times, they said they were working on it.  Never happened on MLM though.

[golfman009]

Anyone seen a set up of how much space you need to use this indoors? Distance the  ball needs to travel and how much space behind your swing? Wondering if this would fit in my garage and haven't seen that info yet released

[Dan13]

59 minutes ago, hammersia said:

Not convinced this is offering anything over the R10 at the moment, honestly. 

The direct measurement of spin and spin axis (albeit with a special ball) doesn’t impress?  If I wasn’t invested in the M+ already I would be very interested in this. Addresses the biggest issues for radar devices - spin and spin axis in limited flight. 

[GolfANA]

5 minutes ago, Dan13 said:

The direct measurement of spin and spin axis (albeit with a special ball) doesn’t impress?  If I wasn’t invested in the M+ already I would be very interested in this. Addresses the biggest issues for radar devices - spin and spin axis in limited flight. 

 

The direct measurement of the club path on the Mevo+ Pro is also a measurement that gives the Mevo+ a huge nod over this (albiet at a considerably higher price). I dont see why Rapsodo couldn't measure club path with two cameras plus direct measurement of spin, spin axis and launch angles. Adding that measurement (even if it is partially calculated using the other measurements) would be a game changer at this price. 

[PNW]

Would there be any reason why spin measurement wouldn't be the same between the special Callaway balls vs RCT or standard balls with dots applied?

[Dan13]

12 minutes ago, PNW said:

Would there be any reason why spin measurement wouldn't be the same between the special Callaway balls vs RCT or standard balls with dots applied?

RCT help with spin in limited flight but not spin axis because the signal increase is for the radar. These special Callaway balls are for the camera to visually see the ball spinning and the axis around which it spins. 

Edited January 26, 2023 by Dan13

[prusd]

Another website with initials T. H. P. did an article on this unit.  In the comments section, the writer of the article says RApsodo informed him that they are planning to compete with the GC3 in terms of accuracy with the MLM2.  Many additional commenters replied that that was a bold statement on Rapsodo's part.

 

But after looking over the first youtube review video with the MLM2 vs the GCQuad, the device help up very, very well.  

[Bob Ferguson]

1 hour ago, golfman009 said:

Anyone seen a set up of how much space you need to use this indoors? Distance the  ball needs to travel and how much space behind your swing? Wondering if this would fit in my garage and haven't seen that info yet released

8' and 6' = 14'

[PNW]

6 minutes ago, prusd said:

Another website with initials T. H. P. did an article on this unit.  In the comments section, the writer of the article says RApsodo informed him that they are planning to compete with the GC3 in terms of accuracy with the MLM2.  Many additional commenters replied that that was a bold statement on Rapsodo's part.

 

But after looking over the first youtube review video with the MLM2 vs the GCQuad, the device help up very, very well.  

 

I'm very interested to know what that will mean for the derived club head metrics. Even if they are reliable enough it will be impressive at that price.  

[golfman009]

49 minutes ago, Bob Ferguson said:

8' and 6' = 14'

Thanks!

[Clifford]

7 hours ago, radiman said:

Wow.  Impressive little unit.  But, the need for marked balls honestly takes it out of the picture for me.  

They are Callaway balls. I wonder how much they wlil be

[Clifford]

if you can play sim golf with GSPro, i may jump ship from mevo+

 

[Frankensteins Monster]

10 hours ago, zap311 said:

Here’s the breakdown:

 

MLM 2 Pro Data Parameters

Measured Metrics

Club Speed

Ball Speed

Launch Angle

Launch Direction

Spin Rate (Rapsodo Ball)

Spin Axis

Calculated Metrics

Carry/Total Distance

Smash Factor

Apex

Shot Type

Side Carry

Descent Angle

 

What about club path? They listed it on their IG account. Do Callaway balls need to be used outside to calculate spin?

Edited January 27, 2023 by Frankensteins Monster

[Simpsonia]

7 hours ago, Dan13 said:

RCT help with spin in limited flight but not spin axis because the signal increase is for the radar. These special Callaway balls are for the camera to visually see the ball spinning and the axis around which it spins. 

 

Yep, though it won't be long at all before someone 3D prints a template which you can use a sharpie to give any ball the same pattern of dots. Nothing I've read says that the RPT ball has any metallic element underneath like the RCT ball. It just looks like every quadrant of the ball has a unique pattern of dots that should be easy enough to copy. Imperfect marking might reduce accuracy a little, but should still work. 

Edited January 27, 2023 by Simpsonia

[zap311]

41 minutes ago, Frankensteins Monster said:

 

What about club path? They listed it on their IG account. Do Callaway balls need to be used outside to calculate spin?

Good question - this list is from a review on another site, so maybe they forgot club path or hadn’t been told by Rapsodo. 

[th6252]

Initial reviews seem quite promising:

Pricing at $699.