2024 PGA Tour Schedule

[kasting333]

Just now, So_Cal said:

Absolutely.  I also don’t like the PGA in May.  It’s not changing though.  Maybe make the Australian Open a major later in the year. 

I was thinking the same thing. 
 

An Australian and an Asian major is needed imo 

[jdl]

43 minutes ago, kasting333 said:

The condensed major schedule has hurt the tour. They really need more breathing room between majors to keep their schedule relevant 

Yeah but unless you get rid of the stupid "playoffs" there's not enough room.

[Stevens24]

This is the first step IMO to having an elite level tour for the top 75 and the rest being upgraded Korn Ferry events. Players are becoming employees base don these rules as they will be required to play certain event during the season. So basically they have said everything about the other tour is the wrong way to do things, but now we are going to tweak out tour to where it somewhat resembles what they are doing.

[kasting333]

3 minutes ago, jdl said:

Yeah but unless you get rid of the stupid "playoffs" there's not enough room.

I agree. The playoffs are really unfortunate and need to be we worked.
 

I also think the tour selling events naming rights to sponsors has really cost a lot of these events their historical significance. The tour championship means less than it should bc of the FedEx cup and the playoffs 

[golfortennis]

1 hour ago, kasting333 said:

The condensed major schedule has hurt the tour. They really need more breathing room between majors to keep their schedule relevant 

 

It was the tour's own idea to go to this schedule.  Why the PGA of America ever agreed to it I don't know, but it was the tour's idea.  My crocodile tears are unstoppable.

[canonlbp430]

Typical fail by the tour. No viewers are demanding no cut events. Just threw away any momentum they had from the designated events this year to completely water them down for next year. In both the Waste Management and Genesis this year, 10 of the top 30 finishers would not have been in the event. And this is using BMW field last year which was top 70 instead of top 50 that will be used for next year. Nobody wants to watch less competitive golf. Make the field 100-110 with a cut to 60, including top 70 finishers from this year and 30-40 of the hottest players not already qualified.

[So_Cal]

57 minutes ago, kasting333 said:

I was thinking the same thing. 
 

An Australian and an Asian major is needed imo 

Also wouldn’t mind if the PGA were demoted to a high non-major event and the Aussie to a major.  I’m saying this as an American.  The PGA in May just doesn’t cut it for a lot of golf fans. 

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, jdl said:

Yeah but unless you get rid of the stupid "playoffs" there's not enough room.

Come to think of it, this will impact interest, as it were, in the playoffs

 

Everyone will already have seen the same guys play each other all season lol

[smashdn]

4 hours ago, masegolf1978 said:

We just destroyed the “other” tour in the ratings with a non-designated event. The other tour has, and is gaining, no traction whatsoever.
 

So let’s make our product more like theirs. This makes no sense!

 

I think the tour championship is appropriately a no-cut event; it’s a reward for having a great season. These no cut events are a reward for…what? A high owgr ranking?

 

Might not be about the product at all.  Might be about the guys who are the product.  Think about it.

 

 

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So we now have Elevated PGA Tour, PGA Tour Lite, and Korn Ferry Tour.

[Titleist99]

16 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

Come to think of it, this will impact interest, as it were, in the playoffs

 

Everyone will already have seen the same guys play each other all season lol

Right, nothing to look forward to....😀

[Titleist99]

17 minutes ago, smashdn said:

 

Might not be about the product at all.  Might be about the guys who are the product.  Think about it.

 

 

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So we now have Elevated PGA Tour, PGA Tour Lite, and Korn Ferry Tour.

Always been like that. Nothing wrong with trying to keep your top of the line talent.

 

Remember, there's a poacher out there.....🙂

[Stevens24]

32 minutes ago, smashdn said:

 

Might not be about the product at all.  Might be about the guys who are the product.  Think about it.

 

 

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So we now have Elevated PGA Tour, PGA Tour Lite, and Korn Ferry Tour.

That is entirely what it is about, i am guessing that enough of the top players have said they do not want to go to LIV but the money is hard to pass up, what can you do for us? This is a huge win for the top players financially and likely will trickle down somewhat. So the top players will play those 8 events, 4 majors and the Players which is 13 So they will need to play 7 other events. 

[kasting333]

42 minutes ago, smashdn said:

 

Might not be about the product at all.  Might be about the guys who are the product.  Think about it.

 

 

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So we now have Elevated PGA Tour, PGA Tour Lite, and Korn Ferry Tour.

If those top guys are the pga tour product then the pga tour needs to just represent those players. Cut down the number of pga tour players and expand the KF

[Titleist99]

5 minutes ago, Stevens24 said:

That is entirely what it is about, i am guessing that enough of the top players have said they do not want to go to LIV but the money is hard to pass up, what can you do for us? This is a huge win for the top players financially and likely will trickle down somewhat. So the top players will play those 8 events, 4 majors and the Players which is 13 So they will need to play 7 other events. 

Exactly.....not hard to understand. If and when the other tour fails or dissolve they'll change back to the wrap around season.

[Dutch1008]

I'd like to see the Tour's simulation that generates 40% churn. What are the underlining assumptions...

 

How many of the top 50 are playing in non-designated events?

How does the above effect the strength of field of those events and therefore the OWGR points awarded?

Will all players in the designated events receive FedEx / OWGR points, or just the Top 50% or 2/3rds? 

How many non-designated events are the players required to play? Is that requirement only tied to the PIP?

 

I don't completely hate the idea of having smaller fields at the designated events. But I do hate the idea of removing the cut. Make it the top 100 with the top 2/3rd plus ties making the cut.  

[Titleist99]

14 minutes ago, Dutch1008 said:

I'd like to see the Tour's simulation that generates 40% churn. What are the underlining assumptions...

 

How many of the top 50 are playing in non-designated events?

How does the above effect the strength of field of those events and therefore the OWGR points awarded?

Will all players in the designated events receive FedEx / OWGR points, or just the Top 50% or 2/3rds? 

How many non-designated events are the players required to play? Is that requirement only tied to the PIP?

 

I don't completely hate the idea of having smaller fields at the designated events. But I do hate the idea of removing the cut. Make it the top 100 with the top 2/3rd plus ties making the cut.  

See, here's the thing.......you have to give up something. If you expect the top players to play in your elevated events, you have to guaranteed four days of play. giving them the cut is fair.

[masegolf1978]

1 hour ago, smashdn said:

 

Might not be about the product at all.  Might be about the guys who are the product.  Think about it.

 

 

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So we now have Elevated PGA Tour, PGA Tour Lite, and Korn Ferry Tour.

 

Definitely agree with that. But I have to think there is another way to provide guaranteed money to the players without going to a no-cut model.

 

Plus, I think they effectively enter into a spending contest with LIV, which LIV will definitely win short term. 

[bscinstnct]

A startup stole 5 very high profile pga tour pros including the #2 in the world with….

 

Big guaranteed 💰 

 

How you now gonna sit there and tell Rahmbo to go tee it up every week and get cut you make 

 

zero 

 

Or better yet Rahmbo bust his tail and be #1 on the money list in 2022 and make 9.8MM

 

Meantime, Taylor Gooch leave Tour and make 10MM!

 

And Pat Perez make 8MM 🤣

 

No, obviously, this was the best move to keep the best players on tour, but also insure a meritocracy. Nothing is guaranteed. You drop out of the top 50 and you’re out. 
 

Happened to Spieth.

[Dutch1008]

1 minute ago, Titleist99 said:

See, here's the thing.......you have to give up something. If you expect the top players to play in your elevated events, you have to guaranteed four days of play. giving them the cut is fair.

You did give them something. A bunch of events with $20M purses and smaller fields. The tour could have spread the increased TV money across all of the events evenly. Instead they concentrated it to pull the top guys together. 

 

But hey, if that's the main point keeping these dude from jumping ship, fine, no cut. But don't give them FedEx and OWGR points for finishing in the bottom 50%. They get their money but if they don't perform, they should lose status. 

[Golfnutgalen]

Tiger had a nice run of WGC wins back in the day (15/27 thru 2008) which likely padded his win total, but there weren't that many only 3 including the match play which I don't think anybody had issues with. I know, they added another later, but that was post 2009. Now if I'm reading this right there are going to be basically 8 a season? Dang.... Rahm and Rory have a legit chance at breaking 50 wins now.

 

Turns out it's 7 limited field no cut events, 8 with the Tournament of Champions. What does that make, 10 with the playoffs? I'm losing count. 

Edited March 1, 2023 by Golfnutgalen

[Dutch1008]

8 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

Or better yet Rahmbo bust his tail and be #1 on the money list in 2022 and make 9.8MM

Scheffler was #1 n the money list last year w/ $14M, which doesn't include the $4M from the comcast bonus pool, the $5.75M from being 2nd at the tour championship, or the $5.5M from the PIP. Rahm has made $9.8M this year in 6 freaking events. 

 

Rahm has won $1.6M per event this year. If he plays 20 events at the same pace, he'll make nearly $33M. If he keeps the pace he'll certainly win the Comcast bonus (+$4M), he'll also have a stroke advantage at the Tour Championship and potentially another $18M. Add in the $6M he got in the PIP last year and Rahm is potentially looking at income before endorsements of $61M or more. I don't think he's concerned about Talor Gooch or Pat Perez.  

[Bogeyman_MD]

5 minutes ago, Dutch1008 said:

Scheffler was #1 n the money list last year w/ $14M, which doesn't include the $4M from the comcast bonus pool, the $5.75M from being 2nd at the tour championship, or the $5.5M from the PIP. Rahm has made $9.8M this year in 6 freaking events. 

 

Rahm has won $1.6M per event this year. If he plays 20 events at the same pace, he'll make nearly $33M. If he keeps the pace he'll certainly win the Comcast bonus (+$4M), he'll also have a stroke advantage at the Tour Championship and potentially another $18M. Add in the $6M he got in the PIP last year and Rahm is potentially looking at income before endorsements of $61M or more. I don't think he's concerned about Talor Gooch or Pat Perez.  

I may eat these words, but I don’t see Rahm sustaining this level all year. If he does good for him.

[bscinstnct]

9 minutes ago, Dutch1008 said:

Scheffler was #1 n the money list last year w/ $14M, which doesn't include the $4M from the comcast bonus pool, the $5.75M from being 2nd at the tour championship, or the $5.5M from the PIP. Rahm has made $9.8M this year in 6 freaking events. 

 

Rahm has won $1.6M per event this year. If he plays 20 events at the same pace, he'll make nearly $33M. If he keeps the pace he'll certainly win the Comcast bonus (+$4M), he'll also have a stroke advantage at the Tour Championship and potentially another $18M. Add in the $6M he got in the PIP last year and Rahm is potentially looking at income before endorsements of $61M or more. I don't think he's concerned about Talor Gooch or Pat Perez.  

 

Prior to the changes The top tour guy could make 20MM+ but generally 10MM during the season then you had to be a win/2nd the fedex

 

But you still had a bunch of top 10/top 20 guys making under 10MM in the course

 

Meantime, these same guys are getting offered 100MM plus guaranteed plus far less competitive fields and enormous purses 

 

Pat Perez made 8MM 🤣

 

So. Whatever it was

 

it obviously need to be more ; )

[Dutch1008]

7 minutes ago, Mike412 said:

I may eat these words, but I don’t see Rahm sustaining this level all year. If he does good for him.

Me neither. Just trying to highlight that the changes made in 2023 are leading to significant increases in money to the players. Rahm is already 70% to Scheffler 2022 total (which was a record) and the calendar just flipped to March! Even if he cools off, he's going to obliterate that record. 

[munichop]

With this model if you are out of the top 50 it will be harder to get in the top fifty since the gap between those events moneywise is bigger as will the ranking points etc.  I would have preferred a stipend to players for expenses and show up money but keep cuts.  Most fans like the cut idea in pro golf.  

[Titleist99]

25 minutes ago, Dutch1008 said:

Scheffler was #1 n the money list last year w/ $14M, which doesn't include the $4M from the comcast bonus pool, the $5.75M from being 2nd at the tour championship, or the $5.5M from the PIP. Rahm has made $9.8M this year in 6 freaking events. 

 

Rahm has won $1.6M per event this year. If he plays 20 events at the same pace, he'll make nearly $33M. If he keeps the pace he'll certainly win the Comcast bonus (+$4M), he'll also have a stroke advantage at the Tour Championship and potentially another $18M. Add in the $6M he got in the PIP last year and Rahm is potentially looking at income before endorsements of $61M or more. I don't think he's concerned about Talor Gooch or Pat Perez.  

LOL!.....that's why only one player in the top ten signed with another tour. well done PGAT.🙂 And someone foolishly gave him $100M.

[Bogeyman_MD]

I thought it was interesting that Rory, when grilled about this in his presser today, said that they haven’t made a final determination on the no cut yet. So maybe the backlash will cause them to reconsider. He did lay out the reason they are considering it though.

 

It’s also possible they leaked this to see what the public reaction would be before they made a final decision.

Edited March 1, 2023 by Mike412

[Dutch1008]

4 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

Prior to the changes The top tour guy could make 20MM+ but generally 10MM during the season then you had to be a win/2nd the fedex

 

But you still had a bunch of top 10/top 20 guys making under 10MM in the course

 

Meantime, these same guys are getting offered 100MM plus guaranteed plus far less competitive fields and enormous purses 

 

Pat Perez made 8MM 🤣

 

So. Whatever it was

 

it obviously need to be more ; )

I get you. But LIV's financial malfeasance shouldn't force the tour to run off the cliff with them. LIV is well on their way to blowing themselves up. All the bluster about how LIV takes care of caddies and families is already gone. They are slowly tightening the belt and there are no brands/investors ready to subsidize those operating losses. The PGAT would be wise not to overreact.  

 

As a somewhat comparable example, the Cleveland Browns gave Deshaun Watson a $230M fully guaranteed contract. He looked pretty terrible in his return to the field and that contract (which other teams thought was ludacris at the time), is looking uglier and uglier. Across the division, the Baltimore Ravens have struggled to sign Lamar Jackson to a long term contract extension. Lamar wants the same deal that Deshaun got (stupid money and fully guaranteed). The Ravens, actually being a pretty well run organization have not yet given into his demands. A competitors stupidity shouldn't force you into making sub-optimal decisions. Sometimes you have to push back against the media narrative, player's demands, and do what's best for the long term health of your organization. These aren't easy decisions but there is a reason the Browns are the Browns, and the Ravens has been a competitive franchise since the current head coach and front office have been in place.     

[Titleist99]

19 minutes ago, munichop said:

With this model if you are out of the top 50 it will be harder to get in the top fifty since the gap between those events moneywise is bigger as will the ranking points etc.  I would have preferred a stipend to players for expenses and show up money but keep cuts.  Most fans like the cut idea in pro golf.  

Plenty of ways to get into the elevated  events. I like cuts as well, but in these times the PGAT has to guarantee four days of the top players..

[masegolf1978]

6 minutes ago, Dutch1008 said:

I get you. But LIV's financial malfeasance shouldn't force the tour to run off the cliff with them. LIV is well on their way to blowing themselves up. All the bluster about how LIV takes care of caddies and families is already gone. They are slowly tightening the belt and there are no brands/investors ready to subsidize those operating losses. The PGAT would be wise not to overreact.  

   

 

This is what i was trying to say earlier. I get the desire to keep players and you have to up the ante someone what make them happy, but you also have the fan/viewer/customer that still has to buy the "product."