Recoil Dart Revisited

[JD3]

Being offered a good deal on a club but it has a shaft i have a negative impression of. As a lefty however i kind of have to take what I can get in terms of deals. My tendency is to favor premium graphite shafts like GD DI.  

 

Any thoughts on the recoil dart much appreciated.

 

Thanks 

Edited April 28, 2023 by JD3

[jas904]

I was anxiously waiting, thinking this would be the shaft I’ve been searching for. I tried them in my 7 iron and 54° wedge. I quickly found out they weren’t for me. It was like swinging a piece of rebar. 
 

 

[DYOS4]

There is no such thing as a good or a bad shaft. There are shafts that you like and you don't like. Shafts that feel good and shafts that don't feel good to you. Those same shafts that you don't like are the best feeling shafts to someone else. 

Edited April 21, 2023 by DYOS4

[JD3]

1 hour ago, jas904 said:

I was anxiously waiting, thinking this would be the shaft I’ve been searching for. I tried them in my 7 iron and 54° wedge. I quickly found out they weren’t for me. It was like swinging a piece of rebar. 
 

 

The opposite is what I'm most concerned about it. I don't want something that feels noodling soft and high launching. Also from my waggling of right handed clubs with that shaft, it felt like of like a tensei blue, which to me is one of the worst feeling shafts ever. 

[JasonPetermann]

Well, if you waggled it, then…

 

😂

[BCC1898]

3 hours ago, JD3 said:

The opposite is what I'm most concerned about it. I don't want something that feels noodling soft and high launching. Also from my waggling of right handed clubs with that shaft, it felt like of like a tensei blue, which to me is one of the worst feeling shafts ever. 

Always good to waggle the club to gauge launch and spin rates.

[Klubster]

3 hours ago, JD3 said:

The opposite is what I'm most concerned about it. I don't want something that feels noodling soft and high launching. Also from my waggling of right handed clubs with that shaft, it felt like of like a tensei blue, which to me is one of the worst feeling shafts ever. 

Have a friend that "waggled" my driver and said "that is really whippy".  I have a stiff shaft in it.  To make things worse, he is playing a driver he thought was a senior flex because it has an "S" on it.  

[JD3]

28 minutes ago, BCC1898 said:

Always good to waggle the club to gauge launch and spin rates.

I actually swung it to but it was a RH club and I'm LH. I got a sense the feel of it 

[Brooks_Cupcake]

8 minutes ago, JD3 said:

I actually swung it to but it was a RH club and I'm LH. I got a sense the feel of it 

You sir have bigger golf problems 

[karstens_ghost]

9 hours ago, jas904 said:

I was anxiously waiting, thinking this would be the shaft I’ve been searching for. I tried them in my 7 iron and 54° wedge. I quickly found out they weren’t for me. It was like swinging a piece of rebar. 
 

 

I'm sure you've followed more than just what was available for info in October. It plays very stiff to its label, and that's why I'm happy with my F4s.

[JD3]

3 hours ago, karstens_ghost said:

I'm sure you've followed more than just what was available for info in October. It plays very stiff to its label, and that's why I'm happy with my F4s.

I hope so. Im having a hard time finding any specs on it. 

[WristySwing]

16 hours ago, Klubster said:

Have a friend that "waggled" my driver and said "that is really whippy".  I have a stiff shaft in it.  To make things worse, he is playing a driver he thought was a senior flex because it has an "S" on it.  

 

My recurring big box nightmare, despite leaving 5+ years ago.  Every golfer, no matter if they are 20 or 70, thin, fat, tall, or short, hits it "250-300 and my friends say I need a stiff shaft."  *Proceeds to pick up any shaft and wiggle it *"wow this is really whippy".  It goes without saying that their "250-300" would magically lose at least 50 yards the minute they stepped in a bay.  Bonus points if they have a massively strong lead-hand grip (often showing 4 knuckles) and thumbs that go down the outside of the shaft.  At this point you can close your eyes because you already know they have zero body rotation, come over the top at least 7 degrees, with a negative angle of attack, and hit the ball on the heel of the club with the face wide open.

 

Rare is the opposite occurrence, where you get someone who is older and is believed they need something like a senior because they are >65 and they proceed to rip driver >250 and hit a 6i around 175.  You get that once in a blue moon, and they are the player I would much rather have a conversation with than Hercules in my first paragraph.  You can talk to the old man, but you can never dissuade Hercules from buying that stiff shaft, as if his testicles are magically going to shrivel and die the second the credit card is swiped for something sub stiff.

[animalgolfs]

Light weight -sub 80g- yes, the new release 90/105 have a feeling of being stiff due the lowered torque over the Recoil 110 etc

 

Whippy? From a waggle.....

[JD3]

17 minutes ago, animalgolfs said:

Light weight -sub 80g- yes, the new release 90/105 have a feeling of being stiff due the lowered torque over the Recoil 110 etc

 

Whippy? From a waggle.....

Ok. But I didn't say whippy, just more like a tensei blue. A shaft i found borderline unplayable. I think when you get a stock shaft, which almost by definition is not premium, you run the risk of it being too weak or made stiff in a way that messes up the feel.

[karstens_ghost]

DART 105's are not stock. My wallet assures me.

[animalgolfs]

1 hour ago, JD3 said:

Ok. But I didn't say whippy, just more like a tensei blue. A shaft i found borderline unplayable. I think when you get a stock shaft, which almost by definition is not premium, you run the risk of it being too weak or made stiff in a way that messes up the feel.

The absolute simplest way to end this conversation- is to hit them on a LM and see the results. You've fallen into the OEM graphite iron shafts are "weak" arguments- which hold merit until you hit weight ranges above 80g IMO 

[SEP1006]

Good Lord. If he put the "waggle" test on my Autoflex he may just quit golf !!!!!!!!!!

[JD3]

1 hour ago, SEP1006 said:

Good Lord. If he put the "waggle" test on my Autoflex he may just quit golf !!!!!!!!!!

I thought the gimmicky "autoflex" fad had already faded 😉

[st1800e]

18 minutes ago, JD3 said:

I thought the gimmicky "autoflex" fad had already faded 😉

Mostly fades for me.  😐

[hammergolf]

23 hours ago, JD3 said:

I actually swung it to but it was a RH club and I'm LH. I got a sense the feel of it 

If the clubs don’t fit you, then it’s not a good deal. That being said, a waggle, or a practice swing isn’t really a way to determine if a club is good for you. Until you hit shots with it, it’s just an educated guess.

[JD3]

1 hour ago, st1800e said:

Mostly fades for me.  😐

Can happen when shaft is too weak 🙃

[JD3]

24 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

If the clubs don’t fit you, then it’s not a good deal. That being said, a waggle, or a practice swing isn’t really a way to determine if a club is good for you. Until you hit shots with it, it’s just an educated guess.

True but as a left hander for years educated guesses were pretty much all we had to work with. 

[Sparty4202]

On 4/20/2023 at 6:53 PM, JD3 said:

Being offered a good deal on a club but it has a shaft i have a negative impression of. As a lefty however i kind of have to take what I can get in terms of deals. My tendency is to favor premium graphite shafts like GD DI.  

 

Any thoughts on the recoil dart much appreciated.

 

Thanks 

Which Recoil Dart shaft are you looking at…the 65, 75, 90 or 105? They are all quite different. 

[JD3]

7 minutes ago, Sparty4202 said:

Which Recoil Dart shaft are you looking at…the 65, 75, 90 or 105? They are all quite different. 

90

[Sparty4202]

3 minutes ago, JD3 said:

90

The Dart 90 is the new version the Recoil 95 which has been around for some time. At the F4(stiff) it’s in line with most other shafts. I see you’re currently playing PX LZ shafts, the difference in weight may be more of an issue for you than anything else. 

[JD3]

1 hour ago, Sparty4202 said:

The Dart 90 is the new version the Recoil 95 which has been around for some time. At the F4(stiff) it’s in line with most other shafts. I see you’re currently playing PX LZ shafts, the difference in weight may be more of an issue for you than anything else. 

It's in a 3 driving iron. My irons are 120 grams. I assume dart 90 is 90 grams? What do you think is about the right weight difference from iron to driving iron?

[PowerCobra98]

Can only say I have the Recoil Dart 90 in my Srixon ZX Mk II driving iron and I like it.  I also play Recoil 95 in my irons so I kinda like that Recoil type shaft.  It's not a crap shaft to me, but hey who knows what it's like for you.

[SEP1006]

7 hours ago, JD3 said:

I thought the gimmicky "autoflex" fad had already faded 😉

 

HAH, have you tried it??

 

Definitely isn't a gimmick, at least for me anyway. Turned the weakest part of my game into now a very consistent part of my game. Been playing it since it came out and well worth every penny I spent on it.

 

And it was a lot of pennies !!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

[st1800e]

8 hours ago, JD3 said:

Can happen when shaft is too weak 🙃

Was a Joke….fades, but hadn’t faded. 

Edited April 23, 2023 by st1800e

[dwboston]

7 hours ago, JD3 said:

It's in a 3 driving iron. My irons are 120 grams. I assume dart 90 is 90 grams? What do you think is about the right weight difference from iron to driving iron?

 

If you're concerned the "regular" DART shaft may not hold up to your swing, then the DART V shaft may be for you.  There's a 120g version, and torque values on the DART V shafts are much lower than the DART.  Similar to the previous-gen Recoil and Recoil Prototype shafts.