Chris Hudson on Hogan

[powerfade66]

On 1/27/2025 at 6:13 AM, TheDeanAbides said:

Chris Hudson seems to have created quite a few accounts to post on this thread. He's clearly better at that than golf. 

Yes and every one of them created their account just prior to making the post. For that to happen five times is far more than a coincidence. Aside from the fact that supporting this guy and his made up untested swing theories has no logical basis. Extremely disrespectful to Ben Hogan. Especially the AI garbage. 

[powerfade66]

On 1/27/2025 at 6:13 AM, TheDeanAbides said:

Chris Hudson seems to have created quite a few accounts to post on this thread. He's clearly better at that than golf. 

Yes and every one of them created their account just prior to making the post. For that to happen five times is far more than a coincidence. Aside from the fact that supporting this guy and his made up untested swing theories has no logical basis. Extremely disrespectful to Ben Hogan. Especially the AI garbage. 

[powerfade66]

On 1/27/2025 at 6:13 AM, TheDeanAbides said:

Chris Hudson seems to have created quite a few accounts to post on this thread. He's clearly better at that than golf. 

Yes and every one of them created their account just prior to making the post. For that to happen five times is far more than a coincidence. Aside from the fact that supporting this guy and his made up untested swing theories has no logical basis. Extremely disrespectful to Ben Hogan. Especially the AI garbage. 

[getlow]

On 11/4/2024 at 12:59 PM, Avrgglfr66 said:

Assuming that your a scratch or plus handicap from the opinions that you’re stating here. Do you have an instructional you tube channel that a person could follow? I and I’m sure others would be interested in more instruction from you as you appear to be so knowledgeable about golf and the golf swing. We will all wait for your reply. Not trying to be a jerk here also, just looking for more information so that I can have an educated opinion. Thank you in advance, looking forward to the information. Cheers!

I would watch Chris Hudson's videos. The only critical piece I have not found is how Hogan achieved a full swing. Maybe Hudson left this piece out so you buy his course? Hogan turned his tailbone to the target during the takeaway. You can practice that drill without a club and feel yourself getting a full turn. Use the other Hudson pieces, and you will be striping the ball.

I played many rounds with a player who played the regular and senior tours. I saw him hit a thousand shots, and he could not teach a lick. I knew how to hit every shot but could not explain it. For me, learning Hogan's swing, whether it is from Hudson or others, will make you a much better ball striker. I only wish I had known this when I was younger!

 

[TheDeanAbides]

16 hours ago, getlow said:

I would watch Chris Hudson's videos. The only critical piece I have not found is how Hogan achieved a full swing. Maybe Hudson left this piece out so you buy his course? Hogan turned his tailbone to the target during the takeaway. You can practice that drill without a club and feel yourself getting a full turn. Use the other Hudson pieces, and you will be striping the ball.

I played many rounds with a player who played the regular and senior tours. I saw him hit a thousand shots, and he could not teach a lick. I knew how to hit every shot but could not explain it. For me, learning Hogan's swing, whether it is from Hudson or others, will make you a much better ball striker. I only wish I had known this when I was younger!

 

And here’s another one. 

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Hey Guys

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[virtuoso]

19 hours ago, chodsden said:

Hey Guys,

 

I have had interaction with Chris this week.  He is a great guy.  I am a PGA Professional that is also a Hogan enthusiast and I have found the information that Chris has shared is solid and is most definitely the closest interpretation of what I think was happening with Hogan's swing.  I came to about a 70% understanding of Hogan's move and every conclusion I came to mirrored what Chris had discovered.  He has taken it further than I could have and filled in several blanks.  I have never felt more confident in my life....even more so then when I played for a living.  I have taught and played as a PGA Member for 35 years and I have never seen this approach.  It just makes "common" sense which seems reflective of the man Hogan was IMHO.  

 

Carey Hodsden, PGA

What Hudson teaches, in and of itself, is not horrible. It can probably help some people. The issue is that, in many ways, its the opposite of what Hogan actually did. 

[otto6457]

On 4/1/2025 at 9:07 PM, chodsden said:

Hey Guys,

 

I have had interaction with Chris this week.  He is a great guy.  I am a PGA Professional that is also a Hogan enthusiast and I have found the information that Chris has shared is solid and is most definitely the closest interpretation of what I think was happening with Hogan's swing.  I came to about a 70% understanding of Hogan's move and every conclusion I came to mirrored what Chris had discovered.  He has taken it further than I could have and filled in several blanks.  I have never felt more confident in my life....even more so then when I played for a living.  I have taught and played as a PGA Member for 35 years and I have never seen this approach.  It just makes "common" sense which seems reflective of the man Hogan was IMHO.  

 

Carey Hodsden, PGA

 

 

It's amazing that every one of these "pro-Hudson" posts are first time posters to GolfWRX.  It's incredible that so many people that have never posted to the myriad of subjects, forums, and topics available here at GolfWRX, rush headlong into the defense of a guy that has never officially posted here.  Even more interesting is that you joined at 9:00pm on Tuesday and posted your only post at 9:07pm and were gone by 9:09.  Very efficient browsing of a large and busy website.  Plus, this burst of activity is taking place on a sub-forum dedicated almost exclusively to the few remaining Hogan swing enthusiasts on GolfWRX, which is practically a ghost town compared to main instruction forum.  

 

Chris, you really need to just post here using your own name and discuss your swing theory out in the open.  If you really found the "secret" to Hogan's swing, we would love to see you, or one of your top students, demonstrate it with some quality video, launch monitor data, and hopefully some force plate data. 

 

 

[golferdude54]

23 hours ago, otto6457 said:

 

 

It's amazing that every one of these "pro-Hudson" posts are first time posters to GolfWRX.  It's incredible that so many people that have never posted to the myriad of subjects, forums, and topics available here at GolfWRX, rush headlong into the defense of a guy that has never officially posted here.  Even more interesting is that you joined at 9:00pm on Tuesday and posted your only post at 9:07pm and were gone by 9:09.  Very efficient browsing of a large and busy website.  Plus, this burst of activity is taking place on a sub-forum dedicated almost exclusively to the few remaining Hogan swing enthusiasts on GolfWRX, which is practically a ghost town compared to main instruction forum.  

 

Chris, you really need to just post here using your own name and discuss your swing theory out in the open.  If you really found the "secret" to Hogan's swing, we would love to see you, or one of your top students, demonstrate it with some quality video, launch monitor data, and hopefully some force plate data. 

 

 

 

Their first and last names both start with C and H and almost the same amount of letters and nearly an anagram. It's not even funny how obvious it is. Reminds me of this.

 

[golferdude54]

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On 4/4/2025 at 2:40 AM, otto6457 said:

Hey Look Man,

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On 4/4/2025 at 2:40 AM, otto6457 said:

 

It's amazing that every one of these "pro-Hudson" posts are first time posters to GolfWRX.  It's incredible that so many people that have never posted to the myriad of subjects, forums, and topics available here at GolfWRX, rush headlong into the defense of a guy that has never officially posted here.  Even more interesting is that you joined at 9:00pm on Tuesday and posted your only post at 9:07pm and were gone by 9:09.  Very efficient browsing of a large and busy website.  Plus, this burst of activity is taking place on a sub-forum dedicated almost exclusively to the few remaining Hogan swing enthusiasts on GolfWRX, which is practically a ghost town compared to main instruction forum.  

 

Chris, you really need to just post here using your own name and discuss your swing theory out in the open.  If you really found the "secret" to Hogan's swing, we would love to see you, or one of your top students, demonstrate it with some quality video, launch monitor data, and hopefully some force plate data. 

 

 

 

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[Guest]

On 4/2/2025 at 5:26 PM, virtuoso said:

What Hudson teaches, in and of itself, is not horrible. It can probably help some people. The issue is that, in many ways, its the opposite of what Hogan actually did. 

 

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[otto6457]

1 hour ago, chodsden said:

I don't know what your beef with Chris is and I don't care but all you have to do is google my name and you will find me everywhere.  My name is Carey Hodsden, PGA.  I am a PGA Life Member and currently the Director of Instruction at XGOLF Chesapeake.  The fact that Chris and I have the same initials is pure coincidence. 

 

I found the topic interesting when I was looking something else up...I think it was equipment although I can't remember now.  It was an advertised sidebar on some webpage I was on, so I clicked it and ended up here.  I just gave my honest opinion regarding my interaction with Chris.  He is a good man.  He has to teach out of his home studio because he can't be around a lot of people because he has a child with immune system deficiency and the child is very susceptible to viruses etc.  I don't know much more about him other than he took his time to make me a personal video after I sent my videos to him.  I know that he is NOT in the PGA....he was for a while and then decided to go his own direction.  He knows that I still compete in Senior Tour stuff and national championships when I qualify for them.  After a pretty bad injury 4 years ago, I had to rebuild my swing and chose to do so in Hogan's image.  It has taken me the better part of 3 years for the rehab and swing building and I am now competing again in the Middle Atlantic PGA and fairing well.

 

I don't mind you disagreeing with someone about technique or whatever but what you are doing is overboard.  I don't lie....about anything and I am NOT Chris Hudson.  Please consider this if you wish to continue to communicate with me.

 

Regarding people telling me what Hogan did or didn't do.  As previously stated, I had about 70% of it based on an obscene amount of study regarding the man's bio-mechanics, ball flight, mental acuity, focus and took great consideration for the equipment differences and athletic advances made in both body and technique over the last 70 years.  Chris helped me find the rest.  Is Chris or I doing what Hogan did?  It is certainly starting to look that way based on my ball flight, ball striking and tournament results.  But are we really doing what Hogan did?  I have no freaking idea but biomechanically and aesthetically, it certainly seems so.  A friend of mine, Dick Mast, PGA thinks that my swing is the closest to Hogan's he has ever seen at this time and he saw Hogan's swing in person (Dick competed on the PGA Tour for 40 years)… a kind compliment to be sure but the fact is, I am 6' tall and Hogan was a great deal shorter than me and built differently so there is no way in hell we will swing exactly alike and that isn't even important.  The results are what matter and I am experiencing better results each time I play right now.  A strange and exciting thing for someone in their mid 50's to be sure.

 

The only person that knew what Hogan felt is Hogan.  I think he shared it as well as he could with his book.  I also learned a great deal from the guys that owned American Golf Classics....buddies of mine that did the valuation for the Hogan family after Hogan's death.  I got to hold several of the clubs Hogan won championships with.  I learned things that I will never tell.  They are not my secrets to give.  I won't use them as I don't think some of the things he did would work for me.  Point is, we all have our own "secrets".....our own way of creating success of failure for ourselves.  I believe in trial and error and that is how I instruct myself.  During my PGA journey, I have learned many things that will work for many and not for others in the golf swing and I teach with that in mind.  Everyone is different, therefore, every swing is different no matter how hard you try to emulate something.  The only reason I went for Hogan's style of golf swing is that I felt it would be easier on my aging body AND....I listened to the sound of his ball striking in some of the tapes with audio showing his swing.  I was mesmerized by the sound....

 

Now, through my own trial and error and Chris' help, I can make that sound when I hit the ball.  

 

So, in summation, is Chris right about Hogan?  I don't know but it certainly seems he is on the right track based on how I interpret Hogan's swing.  I do know Chris has been a great guy to me and he gives without hesitation.  I respect that.  I also know I am a better ball striker now than anyone I know almost (a few tour guys aside who hit it amazingly).  I thank Chris for helping me get there.  I am still a work in progress but the progress is magical.

 

I am building a library now for my own YT channel.  I am building it to share my career's worth of knowledge with the world from MY perspective.  Will I be paid?  YES, most likely and as a Class A PGA Life Member, I am just fine with that.  Would I do it whether I was paid or not?  Unfortunately, the answer is also YES.  That is the very risk I am taking by doing it in the first place.  If people don't like it, they won't pay and won't watch.  I am ok with that too.  

 

Finally, If you wish, you may send me a video of yourself and I will do a Ten min instructional opinion video for you and send it for all to see.  You can critique it all you want and see if you think I am some sort of charlatan...or, perhaps you will find that I am who I say I am and quite capable as an instructor in all facets of the game.  Oh, and full disclosure so there is no confusion...I am also a real estate broker for the last 21 years and my wife and I have a small real estate company called DellaCarey Real Estate.

 

I wish you the best.

 

Carey

 

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I'm certainly happy you came back to address my problem with your brief defense of Chris Hudson.  The time you were on the site before your posted defense of Chris Hudson is still quite amazing.  Being able to find one of the least used sub sections of GolfWRX in a matter of minutes of joining, is quite impressive. Then logging off inside of 4 minutes without spending any time checking out all the available sections points to real browsing and posting efficiency. Plus, before you posted your support of Chris, there was a continuing line of one time "Chris supporters" that joined GolfWRX, posted one time, then never replied, and never returned.  These ghost posters also spent less than five minutes total on GolfWRX, so thinking you were another ghost account was not an unusual reaction for us to have.  It's also quite strange that as a good friend of Chris, you didn't encourage him to come here and clear this situation up and join in with the Hogan discussion.  Obviously this sub section is almost unused these days and a true Hogan based instructor would be the star of this community.  One question instantly comes to mind; is Chris aware that he has a dedicated thread in this section?  What a great opportunity for him to join in the discussion and really flesh out his philosophy.  Maybe you should let him know as GolfWRX has launched more than a few successful coaching careers just from coaches sharing their swing philosophies here.

 

However, none of this changes the fact that if you go through Chris' extensive 300+YouTube video library, he very CLEARLY claims to know EXACTLY what Hogan did in his golf swing. He even laid out all of the geometry of his swing and offered training aids to aid in that geometry on his original channel.  He claims to be able to teach people to swing exactly like Hogan.  He uses endless videos of Hogan and stands in front of a green screen posing positions.  Yet he has never posted a single full speed swing of his own, nor has he posted a single one of his students swinging a golf club, let alone one that resembles Hogan.  He's not even hit a ball into a net. That smells fishy for any coach that believes in his own methodology, can demonstrate his methodology at full speed, and has successful students that can demonstrate his methodology.  Showing what your students have accomplished under your teaching is the ultimate judge of your credibility.  I would imagine you have many students that swing very well after working with you at X-Golf for many years, and that you would be very proud to post their swings.  Any coach would be thrilled to have successful students that perform well in competitions.  I would surmise you could even do a quick video at your Simulator Academy showing us what Hogan swing concepts you got from Chris, that has so substantially improved your golf swing.  That would be the first time anyone has actually seen a swing that Chris has had a hand in improving.

 

What ever you claim about him being a good guy is certainly a nice thing to say about him, but it doesn't change the fact that he is making a living off of Hogan's legacy without any evidence he can swing like Hogan, or has anything but HIS unsupported theory that he knows exactly how Hogan swung a golf club,  At it's core, it's not a very honest or noble way to use Hogan's legacy without his permission or consent .  Using Hogan as his sole swing methodology to attract views points to him being unable to build a business on his own teaching methodology.  Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's not a good look for any coach that expects to be respected by other good coaches or players.  Posting anything with "Hogan" in it, is instant clickbait and you know it if you play golf.

 

As far as your generous offer to give me a golf lesson, I'll pass.  If you have to send a YouTube coach videos of your swing for help, I'd rather send my videos to the YouTube guy that you think knows more than you do.  Do you send your student's videos to Chris when you have a difficult student?  Do you really think it's a good idea to tell some strangers on a golf forum that you are the Director of Coaching at X-Golf Chesapeak and you can't improve your own golf swing, and have to get help from a YouTube instructor that teaches out of his house in front of a green screen?  I've subscribed to your new YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/@CareyHodsden) and it would be fantastic if you could have Chris stop by and have him explain how he helped you and maybe hit a few balls into your simulator.  You probably need content since you only have a few videos up so far.  How good would a video of Chris hitting balls with a Hogan-esque swing along with the numbers in real time right there, proving how great his swing philosophy is?   Maybe you could shout out a hello to GolfWRX in your next video?  That little tip of the hat to GolfWRX could add some much needed subscribers to your new channel.

 

I'm not going to lie here, I have a feeling that if I call X-Golf Chesapeak tomorrow and ask to speak to Chris Hodsden and ask him about this post on GolfWRX, he won't remember opening an account, or posting in support of Chris Hudson.  I have a hard time believing a guy that has qualified for the U.S. Senior Open needs help from a YouTube golf instructor with zero full golf swings or players that can play.  It doesn't add up I'm afraid.

 

However, I could be dead wrong.   If I am, I would invite you to join in the with the other hard working swing coaches that call GolfWRX home.  Spend some time posting in the Main Instruction and Academy section, and offer your extensive coaching knowledge to the many students that could use your experience and teaching skill.  If you did so, I will publicly apologize and encourage everyone to welcome you with open arms.  We have an entire subsection where amateurs post their swings looking for help and the coaches here offer assistance and knowledge daily.  It's a big part of why this golf forum is so special.  You doing so could REALLY help a lot of golfers, drive new subscribers to your channel, and put people in your simulator bays. So it's a win-win for everyone.

 

So again Carey, thanks for posting your explanation of your defense of Chris and for your kind offer of a free lesson.  But you helping out the forum would be a much better use of your teaching skills.  You could stop by again and let us know when Chris is appearing on the new channel.  I'm sure many GolfWRX members will tune in.  And if you speak with Chris Hudson before then, please invite him to join us here on GolfWRX.  That would be great for all the Hogan fans that call GolfWRX home.

. 

 

[virtuoso]

9 hours ago, chodsden said:

 

Finally, If you wish, you may send me a video of yourself and I will do a Ten min instructional opinion video for you and send it for all to see. 

Can I take you up on that offer? Can I video one of my swings and post it here, and then you can tell me how I can get closer to Hogan? I’m trying to replicate his swing as well.

[virtuoso]

@chodsden here is my swing for reference. I think I have a decent swing but it’s definitely not Hogan. Can I get your analysis?

 

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11 hours ago, virtuoso said:

Can I take you up on that offer? Can I video one of my swings and post it here, and then you can tell me how I can get closer to Hogan? I’m trying to replicate his swing as well.

I would be happy to!!  Please send it!

 

Carey

[Guest]

On 4/24/2025 at 8:01 PM, chodsden said:

I would be happy to!!  Please send it!

 

Carey

 

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[Guest]

 

Regarding GolfWRX and this forum.  I am MOST happy to join in and post videos and help others.  As a PGA Professional, that is my job....grow the game of golf and I LOVE what I do.  I think that is a great idea so thanks for suggesting it.  I am unaware of these types of forums as running golf clubs for a living leaves little time to even discover these kinds of forums and groups.  I think if more PGA Members knew about them, many more would participate.

 

 

 

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[Guest]

On 4/24/2025 at 8:52 AM, virtuoso said:

@chodsden here is my swing for reference. I think I have a decent swing but it’s definitely not Hogan. Can I get your analysis?

 

 

 

 

 

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[virtuoso]

Hey @chodsden, Thank you so much for taking the time! I appreciate any insight you have to share.

 

Strange question, but out of curiosity, are you right eye dominant?

 

Nice swing by the way!

[Guest]

fellas

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[RayPlan]

2 hours ago, chodsden said:

Hey Bud.  Here is the video response regarding your golf swing and some of the videos you have sent me regarding Hogan technique etc.  You have a nice swing!  I have included a couple swings I took right after I shot your response video, where I am swinging about 70% so you can really slow it down and see what I would suggest for you.  I am sending a 9 iron and a 7 iron.  I am going to have to post the video response separately as it was too big for GolfWRX to allow the upload.  I will try to figure that out over next two days.  The gist of what I said in the response was to get a little more on or below the plane vs being kind of over the plane on the way up and on the way down.  When I figure out how to post it, the explanation will hopefully make sense.

 

Please understand, I don't think there is any exact right way to do this but I do think Hogan figured out how to get to an almost perfect point of extension through impact and I have tried to emulate that.  One thing that I think is more important than almost anything else if you are trying to swing like Hogan....you need to feel like you are holding a baseball bat when gripping the club.  You want to feel like the club is more in your palms and NOT your fingers to allow your body to get to full extension through impact.  I will explain this more in the future through videos I will post on my YouTube channel.  Most people don't understand this or what it feels like.  Gripping the club this way will allow you to swing freely with your body where-as a grip that is controlled by your fingers or small muscles in your hand will create a ton of wrist freedom which I think can and will hurt you striking and accuracy.

 

Good luck!!!

 

Carey

 

 

One good way to share large videos is to upload them to YouTube and make them "Unlisted" so they aren't super public. Some people even have little social clubs based around sharing unlisted videos about golf and all manner of things.

 

[Guest]

On 4/25/2025 at 7:34 PM, RayPlan said:

One good way to share large videos is to upload them to YouTube and make them "Unlisted" so they aren't super public. Some people even have little social clubs based around sharing unlisted videos about golf and all manner of things.

 

 

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[Guest]

On 4/25/2025 at 7:17 PM, virtuoso said:

Hey @chodsden, Thank you so much for taking the time! I appreciate any insight you have to share.

 

Strange question, but out of curiosity, are you right eye dominant?

 

Nice swing by the way!

 

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[virtuoso]

8 minutes ago, chodsden said:

Here is the link to the response video....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct3j20TUHLA

Video is private. You need to set it as unlisted. Thanks again!

[Guest]

On 4/26/2025 at 2:09 PM, virtuoso said:

Video is private. You need to set it as unlisted. Thanks again!

 

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[virtuoso]

On 4/26/2025 at 11:42 AM, chodsden said:

Yup...just changed it.  Sorry.

Hey Carey, is this more of what you had in mind? Would you want flatter/shallower than this?

I also sent you two more pm videos for longer discussion.

Edited April 27 by virtuoso

[Gsea]

51 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

Hey Carey, is this more of what you had in mind? Would you want flatter/shallower than this?

I also sent you two more pm videos for longer discussion.

layman here so I could be dead wrong was this a push/mis to the right

[virtuoso]

1 hour ago, Gsea said:

layman here so I could be dead wrong was this a push/mis to the right

Yep, most of the shots I hit today with a shallower plane were push fades. These were 5 irons and they were about 15 yards right of the target. If I were to start planing the shaft like this, I’d have to add something to square the face up more.

[golferdude54]

 

When the new poster turns out to be a real person