Hybrid shaft - stiff butt & mid, softer tip? Any recommendations (Modus 130 profile)

[Pnwpingi210]

Giving the modus 130 stiff a run in my irons.  

 

Looking for a hybrid shaft with a similar profile in the 85-95 gram range.  Club speed with with hybrid is 105.  Currently playing a stock 85 gram Rdx black in my tsr3.  

 

 

[phizzy30]

IZ hybrid or KBS hybrid proto.

[DCMorgan89]

Fubuki

[ignitewvu]

16 hours ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Giving the modus 130 stiff a run in my irons.  

 

Looking for a hybrid shaft with a similar profile in the 85-95 gram range.  Club speed with with hybrid is 105.  Currently playing a stock 85 gram Rdx black in my tsr3.  

 

 

 

I would go directly to the Aldila Rogue Black 95TS tipped .5-1".  This is the series that came out in 2021 & was on tour as the ATX Black.

[Stuart_G]

1 hour ago, ignitewvu said:

 

I would go directly to the Aldila Rogue Black 95TS tipped .5-1".  This is the series that came out in 2021 & was on tour as the ATX Black.

 

I like the shaft recommendation - but I wouldn't tip it (more than recommended) if the OP wants to keep the tip a bit on the soft side.

[Pepperturbo]

I know Nippon Modus Tour 130 iron shafts meet that profile, but finding a hybrid shaft is a quest.

 

Last I knew, the torque of Aldila Rogue Black hybrid is low, doesn't lead me to think its tip is anywhere near soft, but I could be wrong.  They say it's mid-high launch, but I suspect that's tied to user high SS.

[Pnwpingi210]

Love the recommendations.

 

I will give the iz and rogue a try!

 

I do tip my driver an inch(currently in Ventus blue tr 6x I don’t love)  and 3 wood 1.5. (Diamana df 80 tx that I do love).  So tippings on the table for metal woods and hybrids.

 

I’m focusing more on control with the irons since and the modus 130 s gives me more control over flight then the x.

Edited July 29, 2023 by Pnwpingi210

[phizzy30]

Just now, Pnwpingi210 said:

Love the recommendations.

 

I will give the iz and rogue a try!

 

I do tip my driver an inch(currently in Ventus blue tr 6x I don’t love)  and 3 wood 1.5. (Diamana df 80 tx that I do love).  So tippings on the table for metal woods and hybrids.

 

I’m focusing more on control with the irons since and the modus 130 s gives me more control over flight then the x.

Since you don't love the TR blue in driver, and love DF in 3 metal, I would recommend either the TR Black or Diamana PD. 

[rbpwrx]

Tensei Blue? Feels like a Modus 130 to me.

[Pnwpingi210]

21 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

Since you don't love the TR blue in driver, and love DF in 3 metal, I would recommend either the TR Black or Diamana PD. 

I had a Ventus black 7x, some prodigious bombs, but 80% of the time it just got stuck behind me which is not usually a problem with any metal woods.  Has scared me off a bit from the profile.  Is the Tr a significant upgrade?  I’d probably go tr 6x.

 

also interested in the tr red and Accra tz six st 65.  
 

The smoke green 65tx has been my most consistent driver shaft, it just gives up 3-5 mph in ball speed compared to some of the other options…..so tinker tinker

Edited July 29, 2023 by Pnwpingi210

[phizzy30]

Just now, Pnwpingi210 said:

I had a Ventus black 7x, some prodigious bombs, but 80% of the time it just got stuck behind me which is not usually a problem with any metal woods.  Has scared me off a bit from the profile.  Is the Tr a significant upgrade?  I’d probably go tr 6x.

 

also interested in the tr red and Accra tz six st 65.  
 

The smoke green 65tx has been my most consistent driver shaft, it just gives up 3-5 mph in ball speed compared to some of the other options…..so tinker tinker

I had a OG Black 7x as well.  TR Black is smoother and feels a hair more linear so basically it has very little deflection/kick to me.  TR Red was similar to the TR Blue numbers wise with a touch more spin and was easier to turn over. 

[Stuart_G]

2 hours ago, Pepperturbo said:

Last I knew, the torque of Aldila Rogue Black hybrid is low, doesn't lead me to think its tip is anywhere near soft, but I could be wrong.  They say it's mid-high launch, but I suspect that's tied to user high SS.

 

It's not anywhere close to a super soft tip like you might find in a typical high launch shaft.    The Rogue black (for me) is along the line of the Diamana blueboards - but just a bit firmer in the butt/mid.  

 

But then many would say that the Modus 130 isn't really very tip soft either.   Also mid launch at best.   For the X-stiff 130 - it's actually very low launch and tip stiff.   The stiff flex does soften that up a little more relative to the rest of the shaft.

[Pepperturbo]

Tensei AV Raw Blue hybrid TX shaft might do the trick.  It has a stiff butt, and softest tip of 3 in the series.  I have it's sister Tensei AV Raw White Hybrid 90-S, in my 2 iron; very stiff butt, and stiff tip.

[Pnwpingi210]

2 minutes ago, Stuart_G said:

 

It's not anywhere close to a super soft tip like you might find in a typical high launch shaft.    The Rogue black (for me) is along the line of the Diamana blueboards - but just a bit firmer in the butt/mid.  

 

But then many would say that the Modus 130 isn't really very tip soft either.   Also mid launch at best.   For the X-stiff 130 - it's actually very low launch and tip stiff.   The stiff flex does soften that up a little more relative to the rest of the shaft.

Love the stability, launch and spin of the modus 130x in 7-4 irons.  8-pw all tend to launch too high which leads to a  bunch up in distances for my swing.  My on course swing speed with an 8 iron is 92-95 and I just don’t think that’s enough to need the x anymore.

[Pnwpingi210]

2 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

Tensei AV Raw Blue hybrid TX shaft might do the trick.  It has a stiff butt, and softest tip of 3 in the series.  I have its sister Tensei AV Raw White Hybrid 90-S, in my 2 iron; very stiff butt, and stiff tip.

Don’t the blue boards typically have a softer mid section?

[ode1]

3 minutes ago, Stuart_G said:

 

It's not anywhere close to a super soft tip like you might find in a typical high launch shaft.    The Rogue black (for me) is along the line of the Diamana blueboards - but just a bit firmer in the butt/mid.  

 

But then many would say that the Modus 130 isn't really very tip soft either.   Also mid launch at best.   For the X-stiff 130 - it's actually very low launch and tip stiff.   The stiff flex does soften that up a little more relative to the rest of the shaft.

That was my ?....is the tip really soft or just soft or softer in relation to butt.....where it seems.to play quite a bit stiffer to flex.

[Stuart_G]

7 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Love the stability, launch and spin of the modus 130x in 7-4 irons.  8-pw all tend to launch too high which leads to a  bunch up in distances for my swing. 

 

Not arguing that it might for you - but it's not (directly) because of the launch characteristic of the shaft.   Might not even be related to stiffness.

 

7 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

My on course swing speed with an 8 iron is 92-95 and I just don’t think that’s enough to need the x anymore.

 

It's rarely about need - at least not in any objective sense (meaning it's not about swing speed).  It's just about which flex happens to give a more preferable feel and performance with your swing.  So it's only a "need" in the sense of what feel works best for you.

Edited July 29, 2023 by Stuart_G

[Pnwpingi210]

2 minutes ago, Stuart_G said:

 

Not arguing that it might for you - but it's not (directly) because of the launch characteristic of the shaft.   Might not even be related to stiffness.

 

 

It's rarely about need - at least not in any objective sense.  It's just about which flex happens to give a more preferable feel and performance with your swing.  So it's only a "need" in the sense of what feel works best for you.

Love this philosophy.

[Stuart_G]

14 minutes ago, ode said:

That was my ?....is the tip really soft or just soft or softer in relation to butt.....where it seems.to play quite a bit stiffer to flex.

 

That's not easy to answer.  The stiff flex version has a very unique profile (assuming the data I've seen is accurate).   It has a tip that starts out very stiff but softens up just at the very end.  So one part of the tip is stiffer then most others of the same flex - but another part is on the softer side.   Or another way to look at it is that it has a softer section that's much smaller than more typical softer tip designs.   Very hard to predict how that will translate into a feel (or performance) relative to another shaft.

Edited July 29, 2023 by Stuart_G

[phizzy30]

2 hours ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Don’t the blue boards typically have a softer mid section?

Blue board profiles are usually tip soft then stiffen up in the mid.  Handle can vary but tend to be firm. 

Edited July 29, 2023 by phizzy30

[Pepperturbo]

9 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Don’t the blue boards typically have a softer mid section?

Long answer, I used to play the original 83g x5ct Blue Board in Driver and Red board in 3 wood, and have a few of the more current Diamana shafts in storage.

 

To answer your question, to me, maybe. LOL 

 

If MCA's websites are accurate, there are NO Diamana hybrid shafts and PD series states it's more active in the handle, mid-high bend, max 84g for TX and X.  To me, that means its butt is soft more like TR Blue, vs stiff like Ventus Red and Black.   The reason I play softer handle TR Blue in driver is trajectory.  Red is too high, and Black is too low.

 

 

[rbpwrx]

2 hours ago, Stuart_G said:

That's not easy to answer.  The stiff flex version has a very unique profile (assuming the data I've seen is accurate).   It has a tip that starts out very stiff but softens up just at the very end.  So one part of the tip is stiffer then most others of the same flex - but another part is on the softer side.   Or another way to look at it is that it has a softer section that's much smaller than more typical softer tip designs.   Very hard to predict how that will translate into a feel (or performance) relative to another shaft.

Yea, that is my experience with the Modus3 130s. Very 'flicky.'

(Maybe not tip 'soft,' exactly, but very tip 'active.' Which for me, and maybe the OP, *feels* soft, AND launches too high.)

Other 130g-ish shafts, like X100, S400, X7, PX LS, and Nippon SPB, launch way lower (for me) and feel much firmer and more stable through the tip section.

 

[titleist26]

On 7/29/2023 at 8:23 AM, Pnwpingi210 said:

Giving the modus 130 stiff a run in my irons.  

 

Looking for a hybrid shaft with a similar profile in the 85-95 gram range.  Club speed with with hybrid is 105.  Currently playing a stock 85 gram Rdx black in my tsr3.  

 

I play speeder TR in my fairways and it reminds me alot of the modus 130 profile. It comes in a hybrid shaft all the way up to 105g if I remember correctly. Well worth a look 

[Pnwpingi210]

On 7/29/2023 at 2:09 PM, rbpwrx said:

Yea, that is my experience with the Modus3 130s. Very 'flicky.'

(Maybe not tip 'soft,' exactly, but very tip 'active.' Which for me, and maybe the OP, *feels* soft, AND launches too high.)

Other 130g-ish shafts, like X100, S400, X7, PX LS, and Nippon SPB, launch way lower (for me) and feel much firmer and more stable through the tip section.

 

This is great example of how different shafts feel different to different people.  X100 and s400 feel very whippy to me.  Much softer than the modus 130 stiff, and orders of magnitude softer than the 130x.

 

px ls 6.5 is on par with the stiff, and the x7 is on par with the xstiff modus but feels very heavy.

 

 

[rbpwrx]

32 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

This is great example of how different shafts feel different to different people.  X100 and s400 feel very whippy to me.  Much softer than the modus 130 stiff, and orders of magnitude softer than the 130x.

 

px ls 6.5 is on par with the stiff, and the x7 is on par with the xstiff modus but feels very heavy.

So interesting. That sounds like a description of their relative handle stiffness. DG is relatively handle-soft through all 3 flexes, and PX LS handle somewhere in the middle. M3 handle-stiff but tip-active. Interestingly, S400 and X7 weigh the same.

Seems like 'stiff' can *feel* 'heavy.' I have a light mini driver, 42" and 60g shaft, that's probably about an XXX flex (OG Graf Blue X tipped 3"). FEELS heavier than 60g fsho.

 

 

Edited July 31, 2023 by rbpwrx

[rbpwrx]

On 7/29/2023 at 10:29 AM, ignitewvu said:

I would go directly to the Aldila Rogue Black 95TS tipped .5-1".  This is the series that came out in 2021 & was on tour as the ATX Black.

 

That's a good suggestion. I have the 85TX, which feels soft and launches really high for me. But, nicely workable, and handy to come down soft, of course. Tipping it a bit might bring the traj down some, although I suspect that profile is sensitive to trimming.

[Stuart_G]

21 minutes ago, rbpwrx said:

So interesting. That sounds like a description of their relative handle stiffness. DG is relatively handle-soft through all 3 flexes, and PX LS handle somewhere in the middle.

 

 

It's not just the butt.  The Modus 130's are relatively more stiff in the middle as well.

 

[rbpwrx]

7 hours ago, Stuart_G said:

It's not just the butt.  The Modus 130's are relatively more stiff in the middle as well.

Indeed. True of the others mentioned as well, no?
But I was just speculating on one possible factor in Pnwpingi210's experience.

[titleist26]

14 hours ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

This is great example of how different shafts feel different to different people.  X100 and s400 feel very whippy to me.  Much softer than the modus 130 stiff, and orders of magnitude softer than the 130x.

 

px ls 6.5 is on par with the stiff, and the x7 is on par with the xstiff modus but feels very heavy.

 

 

Thats pretty much my experience with those shafts. The speeder TR profile is listed as firm-ultra stiff-firm and that is really what you are looking for in a hybrid shaft if you want to match the feel of modus 130. 

[Stuart_G]

12 hours ago, rbpwrx said:

Indeed. True of the others mentioned as well, no?
But I was just speculating on one possible factor in Pnwpingi210's experience.

 

Haven't seen any data for the PX LS - so can't say.

 

Yes.  There is usually very little distinction between the feel from the butt and middle.  They usually get combined into a single feel for most players.   So when both are above average - it accentuates that feel even more.