Bryson - 58!

[tatertot]

10 hours ago, tacklingdummy said:

Definitely a great watch. 

 

 

Our definitions of "great watch" differ.

[Dutch1008]

11 hours ago, LBB said:

I always find it interesting how we as people criticize others on how they choose to live their life, especially when those choices do no harm to us.  I'll be the first to say I'm probably just as guilty of it at times, just an observation.  At the end of the day, BAD should go to bed at night thinking he did what he wanted to do and achieve that day...not really what we wanted him to do.  

 

I actually have quite a bit of respect for Bryson for paving his own path and not being afraid of what others think.  From going to one length, arm lock putting, fat grips, bulking up (then since slimming down), and trying to enter long drive contests.  He's living, learning, and experiencing it all based on his terms.  Of course he's not perfect...nobody is.  We all make decisions in life we look back on with hindsight, but I can respect someone who isn't afraid to make a decision that they feel is right even if it bucks the trend.

That's the thing, I think Bryson is a dork who is desperate for attention. I think his understanding of physics and engineering is a mile wide but an inch deep. However, despite those feelings, I greatly admire his approach to golf. Not the bomb and gauge nature of his game, but his willingness to try anything, explore any rabbit hole, and commit deeply to an idea in an effort to get better. He doesn't care that his swing isn't pretty. He doesn't care that his putting stroke looks stiff and robotic. He just wants to be better and will go his own way to figure out how. I think its super interesting and great for golf. 

 

What he's done on youtube is almost the exact opposite. No unique point of view. Nothing that is a honest reflection of Bryson. He just rips off the content ideas developed by others. It didn't have to be that way. Phil actually did some pretty unique and interesting stuff on instagram and his fireside chats. They were quirky and very much Phil. Homa has created very specific voice on social media. If you're passionate about it and it brings you joy, great, we all need hobbies outside of work.   

[smashdn]

28 minutes ago, Dutch1008 said:

That's the thing, I think Bryson is a dork who is desperate for attention. 

 

What he's done on youtube is almost the exact opposite. No unique point of view. Nothing that is a honest reflection of Bryson. He just rips off the content ideas developed by others. It didn't have to be that way. Phil actually did some pretty unique and interesting stuff on instagram and his fireside chats. They were quirky and very much Phil. Homa has created very specific voice on social media. If you're passionate about it and it brings you joy, great, we all need hobbies outside of work.   

 

Would it be fair to say if he wanted more attention, there are platforms where he could be more active to get said attention?

[Dutch1008]

13 minutes ago, smashdn said:

Would it be fair to say if he wanted more attention, there are platforms where he could be more active to get said attention?

Not really sure what you're getting at so perhaps you should just say what your thinking. 

 

I don't have a problem w/ Bryson wanting to participate in the youtube space. If that's how he wants to spend his free time, so be it. I have an issue w/ the content he creates which is a derivative rip off of a bunch of existing youtubers. 

 

Had Peyton Manning turned his media company, Omaha Productions, into a shot for shot rip off of Dude Perfect, I'd be criticizing Manning too. Ripping off content creators is lame, and proof that your in the game for fame or a quick buck, not because you have some passion for the space. People that are passionate about visual arts, storytelling, production, etc are cool, people that are passionate about being an influencer are lame.   

[pdxhak]

haha watching the 1:1 with Phil vs Bryson video and it really obvious Phil is a big time gambler. And the end of establishing the rules of the game he then quickly slips in a way to double the payout.

[jdl]

18 hours ago, subrew said:

I haven't watched it past the first hole, but Bryson and Phil do a 2v2 better ball over 9 holes at Greenbrier.  With Anirban and Tringale as teammates.

 

It is Bryson being Bryson, and Phil being Phil, for all this is worth.  So if you dislike either, don't be surprised.  Might be a bit too much for me, but could be entertaining.  He mentions the Krank driver on the second tee box.

 

 

 

I watched a couple of holes. Phil's trash talk is always entertaining but overall this was pretty blah. Like most attempts to get pro golfers as entertainers (see "The Match") it's just not really that good.

 

Yeah Bryson's a nerd for sure.

[sdiver68]

58!

 

Enough said, "but" posts are for haters.

[leezer99]

From our friends at DataGolf... 

Not-So-Great 58

You'd be forgiven if you assumed that Bryson DeChambeau's final-round 58 to win LIV Golf Greenbrier was an incredible achievement—but it turns out it wasn't that great.

Let's start with the course. The par-70 Old White GC played almost 3 shots under par for the week, averaging 66.74 in the final round. For reference, only three courses have yielded a lower single-round scoring average on the PGA Tour since 2004. Even though DeChambeau shot 58, he only gained 8.74 strokes on the field.

 

Secondly, despite their star power and limited size, LIV fields are still average in terms of their overall player skill (see Letzig #18). Bryson's +8.74 raw strokes-gained doesn't warrant a significant strength-of-field adjustment.

So where does Bryson's 58 stack up all-time? Here are the best rounds since 2004, measured by true (strength-of-field adjusted) strokes-gained:

1. Jim Furyk: 59 (2013 BMW Championship, Round 2), +12.1 Raw SG, +13.1 True SG
2. J.B. Holmes: 62 (2015 WGC Cadillac, R1), +11.4, +12.0
3. Scottie Scheffler: 59 (2020 Northern Trust, R2), +10.5, +11.2
4. Ken Duke: 65 (2016 Players, R3), +10.6, +11.2
5. Robert Karlsson: 62 (2010 BMW PGA, R3), +11.2, +11.2
6. Cameron Tringale: 61 (2022 Scottish Open, R1), +11.0, +11.0
7. Rory McIlroy: 62 (2010 Quail Hollow, R4), +10.7, +10.9
8. Tiger Woods: 61 (2013 WGC Bridgestone, R2), +10.2, +10.9
9. Bryson DeChambeau: 60 (2021 BMW Champ., R2), +9.9, +10.9
10. Jim Furyk: 58 (2016 Travelers, R2), +10.7, +10.9
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328. Bryson DeChambeau: 58 (2023 LIV Greenbrier, R3), +8.7, +8.7

[So_Cal]

LIVbots still here trying to make their exhibition games relevant 

[Soloman1]

12 under is a fantastic round.

 

Al Geiberger’s 13 under 59 in 1977 remains the gold standard, in my opinion. If you are too young to have been around then, you should look it up - persimmon and balata, 7,249 yards, sweltering summer heat.

[bscinstnct]

24 minutes ago, leezer99 said:

From our friends at DataGolf... 

Not-So-Great 58

You'd be forgiven if you assumed that Bryson DeChambeau's final-round 58 to win LIV Golf Greenbrier was an incredible achievement—but it turns out it wasn't that great.

Let's start with the course. The par-70 Old White GC played almost 3 shots under par for the week, averaging 66.74 in the final round. For reference, only three courses have yielded a lower single-round scoring average on the PGA Tour since 2004. Even though DeChambeau shot 58, he only gained 8.74 strokes on the field.

 

Secondly, despite their star power and limited size, LIV fields are still average in terms of their overall player skill (see Letzig #18). Bryson's +8.74 raw strokes-gained doesn't warrant a significant strength-of-field adjustment.

So where does Bryson's 58 stack up all-time? Here are the best rounds since 2004, measured by true (strength-of-field adjusted) strokes-gained:

1. Jim Furyk: 59 (2013 BMW Championship, Round 2), +12.1 Raw SG, +13.1 True SG
2. J.B. Holmes: 62 (2015 WGC Cadillac, R1), +11.4, +12.0
3. Scottie Scheffler: 59 (2020 Northern Trust, R2), +10.5, +11.2
4. Ken Duke: 65 (2016 Players, R3), +10.6, +11.2
5. Robert Karlsson: 62 (2010 BMW PGA, R3), +11.2, +11.2
6. Cameron Tringale: 61 (2022 Scottish Open, R1), +11.0, +11.0
7. Rory McIlroy: 62 (2010 Quail Hollow, R4), +10.7, +10.9
8. Tiger Woods: 61 (2013 WGC Bridgestone, R2), +10.2, +10.9
9. Bryson DeChambeau: 60 (2021 BMW Champ., R2), +9.9, +10.9
10. Jim Furyk: 58 (2016 Travelers, R2), +10.7, +10.9
...
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328. Bryson DeChambeau: 58 (2023 LIV Greenbrier, R3), +8.7, +8.7

 

Oooof, 

 

Hey, I wonder how TW 2000 Open best round SG would rank?

 

Somebody should ask the data golf people!

 

 

 

[Albatross Dreamer]

49 minutes ago, leezer99 said:

From our friends at DataGolf... 

Not-So-Great 58

You'd be forgiven if you assumed that Bryson DeChambeau's final-round 58 to win LIV Golf Greenbrier was an incredible achievement—but it turns out it wasn't that great.

Let's start with the course. The par-70 Old White GC played almost 3 shots under par for the week, averaging 66.74 in the final round. For reference, only three courses have yielded a lower single-round scoring average on the PGA Tour since 2004. Even though DeChambeau shot 58, he only gained 8.74 strokes on the field.

 

Secondly, despite their star power and limited size, LIV fields are still average in terms of their overall player skill (see Letzig #18). Bryson's +8.74 raw strokes-gained doesn't warrant a significant strength-of-field adjustment.

So where does Bryson's 58 stack up all-time? Here are the best rounds since 2004, measured by true (strength-of-field adjusted) strokes-gained:

1. Jim Furyk: 59 (2013 BMW Championship, Round 2), +12.1 Raw SG, +13.1 True SG
2. J.B. Holmes: 62 (2015 WGC Cadillac, R1), +11.4, +12.0
3. Scottie Scheffler: 59 (2020 Northern Trust, R2), +10.5, +11.2
4. Ken Duke: 65 (2016 Players, R3), +10.6, +11.2
5. Robert Karlsson: 62 (2010 BMW PGA, R3), +11.2, +11.2
6. Cameron Tringale: 61 (2022 Scottish Open, R1), +11.0, +11.0
7. Rory McIlroy: 62 (2010 Quail Hollow, R4), +10.7, +10.9
8. Tiger Woods: 61 (2013 WGC Bridgestone, R2), +10.2, +10.9
9. Bryson DeChambeau: 60 (2021 BMW Champ., R2), +9.9, +10.9
10. Jim Furyk: 58 (2016 Travelers, R2), +10.7, +10.9
...
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328. Bryson DeChambeau: 58 (2023 LIV Greenbrier, R3), +8.7, +8.7

 

[Dutch1008]

22 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Oooof, 

 

Hey, I wonder how TW 2000 Open best round SG would rank?

 

Somebody should ask the data golf people!

 

 

 

I have no way of adjusting for strength of field, but here is the raw data...

 

Round / Tiger / Field Avg / Strokes Gained

1. 65 / 75.01 / +10.01

2. 69 / 75.85 / +6.85

3. 71 / 77.12 / +6.12

4. 67 / 73.22 / +6.22

Total - 272 / 301.21 / +29.21

 

That's bananaland. 

[bscinstnct]

40 minutes ago, Dutch1008 said:

I have no way of adjusting for strength of field, but here is the raw data...

 

Round / Tiger / Field Avg / Strokes Gained

1. 65 / 75.01 / +10.01

2. 69 / 75.85 / +6.85

3. 71 / 77.12 / +6.12

4. 67 / 73.22 / +6.22

Total - 272 / 301.21 / +29.21

 

That's bananaland. 

 

Here ya go…

 

https://2022.usopen.com/2020/articles/by-the-numbers--tiger-s-2000-u-s--open-win.html
 

 

[mosesgolf]

18 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Here ya go…

 

https://2022.usopen.com/2020/articles/by-the-numbers--tiger-s-2000-u-s--open-win.html
 

 

Yes.  During Tiger's reign his game was above and beyond everybody.  And there were some great players in his era too.

[Dutch1008]

7 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Here ya go…

 

https://2022.usopen.com/2020/articles/by-the-numbers--tiger-s-2000-u-s--open-win.html
 

 

That's the same result I got and what Data Golf would call "Raw Strokes Gained". I don't know a simple way to adjust for field strength. The US Open is a stronger field than a run of the mill Tour stop but not as strong of a field as The Players. 

 

For example, Furyk's 58 got a small field boost at the Travelers (10.7 Raw vs 10.9 Adj) but a bigger boost at the BMW (12.1 Raw vs 13.1 Adj). This makes sense as the BMW is a playoff event w/ no scrubs. No sponsor exemptions, Monday qualifiers, or KFT fill ins. The more scrubs that play an event, the higher the field average score will be and the less impressive beating that field average is. 

 

Here's an extreme example, let's say you play in your club championship and shoot a 75 and the field average that year is 82. Congrats, you just posted a strokes gained of +7. That's a great round. Fast forward one year and due to a beautiful new residential development in the area, every PGAT player in the world has moved into your neighborhood and joined your club. At the club championship, you fire a 72 after making some significant progress in your short game. However, this year the field average is now 67 because you now live in touring pro mecca. Now your strokes gained is -5. You're a better player then you were the prior year and shot a better score, only the competition has changed. Thus, the data nerds invented "adjusted stokes gained" to try and account for field strength.    

[jdl]

2 hours ago, leezer99 said:

Let's start with the course. The par-70 Old White GC played almost 3 shots under par for the week, averaging 66.74 in the final round.

 

So you're suggesting Bryson would consider this a par 67? 🤣

[mosesgolf]

That course has 4 par 4's between 475-496 yards.  In my neighborhood and for short knockers like me those are par 5s.    Bryson's 58 as per usual being underrated by all the WRX4s who think they got tour level game. 😇

[jimecherry]

30 minutes ago, mosesgolf said:

That course has 4 par 4's between 475-496 yards.  In my neighborhood and for short knockers like me those are par 5s.    Bryson's 58 as per usual being underrated by all the WRX4s who think they got tour level game. 😇

i think the only ones left on this thread are here for the salt and stats and dont really take their digs at bryson to seriously its not like he'll ever come to wrx to defend himself ;}

[smashdn]

On 8/8/2023 at 11:00 AM, Dutch1008 said:

Not really sure what you're getting at so perhaps you should just say what your thinking. 

 

For someone "desperate" he is leaving many stones yet unturned.  That was my point.  It seems far, far from desperation at this time.

 

I owuld be more keen to put Holly Sonders and Paige Spiranac (sp?) in the category of desperate attention seekers.  Though, I do understand that attention drives revenue in much of the social media world, good attention and bad attention and even ripped-off methods at attention all result in clicks and clicks turn to revenue.

[TiScape]

Really surprised (well not really) that this whole US vs THEM scenario continues to play out here after it became apparent that LIV was nothing more than a pawn in a game of chess. At this point it’s like meh 🤷🏼‍♂️

[Dutch1008]

4 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Really surprised (well not really) that this whole US vs THEM scenario continues to play out here after it became apparent that LIV was nothing more than a pawn in a game of chess. At this point it’s like meh 🤷🏼‍♂️

I don't think it is so black and white. At least not for me. Shooting a 58 across 18 holes is unbelievable. I'd be impressed w/ someone doing that from the forward tees on an executive course. But that doesn't mean I'm not curious to know how Bryson's 58 stacks up against other great rounds. That's intellectual curiosity, not being a hater. 

 

And I'll admit, I don't like Bryson as a person. I think he's full of it and has been since him stepped out on tour as "the scientist". It has nothing to do with LIV. I think LIV is dumb but still like watching Brooks, DJ, Smith, Nieman etc. Also, despite not liking Bryson the person, I do enjoy Bryson the golfer. I never liked Bubba, Daly, or Vijay either, but I did enjoy watching them play golf. Life contains shades of grey. 

[TiScape]

2 minutes ago, Dutch1008 said:

I don't think it is so black and white. At least not for me. Shooting a 58 across 18 holes is unbelievable. I'd be impressed w/ someone doing that from the forward tees on an executive course. But that doesn't mean I'm not curious to know how Bryson's 58 stacks up against other great rounds. That's intellectual curiosity, not being a hater. 

 

And I'll admit, I don't like Bryson as a person. I think he's full of it and has been since him stepped out on tour as "the scientist". It has nothing to do with LIV. I think LIV is dumb but still like watching Brooks, DJ, Smith, Nieman etc. Also, despite not liking Bryson the person, I do enjoy Bryson the golfer. I never liked Bubba, Daly, or Vijay either, but I did enjoy watching them play golf. Life contains shades of grey. 

Oh it’s definitely not that B&W. I was just referring more to how the underlying theme of these threads is really LIV vs. NON-LIV w/the same cast of characters chiming in. 

[BIG STU]

On 8/7/2023 at 11:22 AM, mshills said:

LOL yep!  90 club head speed here, and I'll admit to hitting the Krank web site!  I guess there are different driver face thicknesses....umm....ok, surprised manufacturing tolerances are that precise, but whatever you say.

The thinner faced ones are for guys like you and I with low SS. Now there has been some conjecture on them being conforming. In the hands of slow swingers like us they are. Now if you use one with faster swings like some of the guys on WRX have then I would say they are non conforming. I would also say with younger stronger guys they would crack or cave the face in like 10 shots or less. LOL Bryson or Rory would more than likely literally explode those thin faces in one shot. Before anyone starts I know the USGA criteria on testing

[mosesgolf]

12 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Oh it’s definitely not that B&W. I was just referring more to how the underlying theme of these threads is really LIV vs. NON-LIV w/the same cast of characters chiming in. 

If Bryson didn't leave for LIV that 58 would be celebrated differently for sure.   The reality is no matter how one may feel about LIV, their are some really great golfers there.  Brooks PGA win and near Masters win.  Phil 2nd at the Masters and other LIV guys have been doing well at the majors.   And let's not forget about what Cam Smith did at the Open last year.

[Dutch1008]

40 minutes ago, smashdn said:

For someone "desperate" he is leaving many stones yet unturned.  That was my point.  It seems far, far from desperation at this time.

 

I owuld be more keen to put Holly Sonders and Paige Spiranac (sp?) in the category of desperate attention seekers.  Though, I do understand that attention drives revenue in much of the social media world, good attention and bad attention and even ripped-off methods at attention all result in clicks and clicks turn to revenue.

Well it could always be worse 🤣 However, he already has posted some topless gym photos to instagram that have been circulated so I wouldn't say he hasn't at least explored the Holly and Paige route. I'm not brave enough to find out if Bryson has started to explore Only Fans. 

[leezer99]

2 hours ago, jimecherry said:

i think the only ones left on this thread are here for the salt and stats and dont really take their digs at bryson to seriously its not like he'll ever come to wrx to defend himself ;}

One of his teammates is here so….

[Capped]

55 minutes ago, leezer99 said:

One of his teammates is here so….

Which one?

[mshills]

1 hour ago, BIG STU said:

The thinner faced ones are for guys like you and I with low SS. Now there has been some conjecture on them being conforming. In the hands of slow swingers like us they are. Now if you use one with faster swings like some of the guys on WRX have then I would say they are non conforming. I would also say with younger stronger guys they would crack or cave the face in like 10 shots or less. LOL Bryson or Rory would more than likely literally explode those thin faces in one shot. Before anyone starts I know the USGA criteria on testing

 

Furthermore, I just looked at the Krank web site again and they make fairway woods all the way down to a 39 degree (!!) fifteen wood (!!!) they say "...replaces your 9i and/or PW."

 

Now, I love my FW woods and hybrids, but I don't think I could go full force FW woods then my first iron club a GW!

[pdxhak]

2 hours ago, Dutch1008 said:

Well it could always be worse 🤣 However, he already has posted some topless gym photos to instagram that have been circulated so I wouldn't say he hasn't at least explored the Holly and Paige route. I'm not brave enough to find out if Bryson has started to explore Only Fans. 

 

LOL saying Bryson posted topless photos. A dude without his shirt is not the same as a woman. 

PGA Tour pros have removed their shirts during an actual event.