Low spin cuts

[jibbs1082]

Anyone know a generic "how-to" on making this shot?

 

7.5 index, been a notorious week cutter of the ball, have worked hard to straighten the flight and even hit and favor a little draw. Would it be easier for me to work on hitting a low spin cut vs trying to really manipulate my wrists and plane to hit draws?

 

Know this is the fad on the tour, and they still mash distance with a cut... but that spin is probably sub 2000... where as my cuts are north of 3800 haha

 

 

[Rory4Pres]

I love playing this type of shot off the tee on certain holes.  I move the ball back a little in my stance, rush my turn a tad bit faster than normal (talking about my hips) and lean my leading shoulder slightly more towards my target than normal.

 

Those are the 3 main points I focus on for hitting low cutting screamers like Bubba.

[MPStrat]

3 hours ago, jibbs1082 said:

Would it be easier for me to work on hitting a low spin cut vs trying to really manipulate my wrists and plane to hit draws?

 

 

A better question to ask is "why are your cuts high spinning?"

 

Without seeing your swing, I can tell you that all tour players are doing similar "wrist manipulation" for fades and draws and you might need to learn proper wrist manipulation to reduce the amount of spin on your drives. There is very little difference between an upward angle of attack fade and a draw. I do think every golfer should be able to draw their irons. It doesn't have to be their stock shot shape, but learning to draw it is a must IMO

[ThinkingPlus]

14 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

 

 

A better question to ask is "why are your cuts high spinning?"

 

Without seeing your swing, I can tell you that all tour players are doing similar "wrist manipulation" for fades and draws and you might need to learn proper wrist manipulation to reduce the amount of spin on your drives. There is very little difference between an upward angle of attack fade and a draw. I do think every golfer should be able to draw their irons. It doesn't have to be their stock shot shape, but learning to draw it is a must IMO

Interesting. I've been doing everything I can to un-learn my draw. I don't necessarily want to hit nothing but fades either. Getting to something generally straight with slight movement either direction would be golden. Draws, to me, are way overrated. Every time I see a YouTube video where the instructor is advocating a swing move which encourages a draw, I hit full stop and move on. LOL!

[LongNwrong27]

3 hours ago, jibbs1082 said:

Anyone know a generic "how-to" on making this shot?

 

7.5 index, been a notorious week cutter of the ball, have worked hard to straighten the flight and even hit and favor a little draw. Would it be easier for me to work on hitting a low spin cut vs trying to really manipulate my wrists and plane to hit draws?

 

Know this is the fad on the tour, and they still mash distance with a cut... but that spin is probably sub 2000... where as my cuts are north of 3800 haha

 

 

Prob not sub 2000. Most people should not be sub 2000 spin. Maybe like 2500 on a good one for most ball speeds. 
 

too many people obsessed with extremely low spin. 

[ferrispgm]

3 hours ago, jibbs1082 said:

Anyone know a generic "how-to" on making this shot?

 

7.5 index, been a notorious week cutter of the ball, have worked hard to straighten the flight and even hit and favor a little draw. Would it be easier for me to work on hitting a low spin cut vs trying to really manipulate my wrists and plane to hit draws?

 

Know this is the fad on the tour, and they still mash distance with a cut... but that spin is probably sub 2000... where as my cuts are north of 3800 haha

 

 

I think you are going about this the wrong way.  Work on getting your swing better by minimizing the inefficiencies first.  When you get your swing in a better place, that will be your stock shot whether that's a fade or a draw or straight-ish.  Trying to manipulate your body to hit a certain shot presents more risks than are necessary for your skill level.

[MPStrat]

7 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Interesting. I've been doing everything I can to un-learn my draw. I don't necessarily want to hit nothing but fades either. Getting to something generally straight with slight movement either direction would be golden. Draws, to me, are way overrated. Every time I see a YouTube video where the instructor is advocating a swing move which encourages a draw, I hit full stop and move on. LOL!

Living on the extreme end of things will certainly affect one’s point of view. But there is nothing inherently dangerous about learning to hit a draw with irons. 

[Pepperturbo]

3 hours ago, jibbs1082 said:

Anyone know a generic "how-to" on making this shot?

 

7.5 index, been a notorious week cutter of the ball, have worked hard to straighten the flight and even hit and favor a little draw. Would it be easier for me to work on hitting a low spin cut vs trying to really manipulate my wrists and plane to hit draws?

 

Know this is the fad on the tour, and they still mash distance with a cut... but that spin is probably sub 2000... where as my cuts are north of 3800 haha

 

 

The key is finding the flight path that comes naturally, and sticking with it until it's rote.  For most people, working the ball both ways, is a recipe for pooping on what works.  Focusing on what is done on tour by highly skills golfers, is NOT a good formula for learning to control the ball.

 

When learning I was advised to master hitting the ball straight, once that's done, then, and only then, try to move it in a different direction.  Once that's accomplished, tackle the opposite direction.  In six years I reached 2 index, now playing to 4, and 98% of the time hit the ball straight, only bending the ball when it's needed. 

[MK7Golf21]

34 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Interesting. I've been doing everything I can to un-learn my draw. I don't necessarily want to hit nothing but fades either. Getting to something generally straight with slight movement either direction would be golden. Draws, to me, are way overrated. Every time I see a YouTube video where the instructor is advocating a swing move which encourages a draw, I hit full stop and move on. LOL!

 

it's mostly because people hit straight or pull draws which end you in the woods most of the time. I watched Bryson play lately and he hits a draw on every shot, except they were push draws. 

[jibbs1082]

1 hour ago, MPStrat said:

 

 

A better question to ask is "why are your cuts high spinning?"

 

Without seeing your swing, I can tell you that all tour players are doing similar "wrist manipulation" for fades and draws and you might need to learn proper wrist manipulation to reduce the amount of spin on your drives. There is very little difference between an upward angle of attack fade and a draw. I do think every golfer should be able to draw their irons. It doesn't have to be their stock shot shape, but learning to draw it is a must IMO

 

Generally my spinny cuts are either one of the following or combination of all when I get lazy with my swing mid round:

-wrist extension at P4

-lazy hip turn, blocking

-slightly open face at impact

 

 

[jibbs1082]

1 hour ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Interesting. I've been doing everything I can to un-learn my draw. I don't necessarily want to hit nothing but fades either. Getting to something generally straight with slight movement either direction would be golden. Draws, to me, are way overrated. Every time I see a YouTube video where the instructor is advocating a swing move which encourages a draw, I hit full stop and move on. LOL!

 

Draws generally promote distance gain for the mid-cap so that's an easy "win" for an instructor and their value to the student I think

[jibbs1082]

48 minutes ago, ferrispgm said:

I think you are going about this the wrong way.  Work on getting your swing better by minimizing the inefficiencies first.  When you get your swing in a better place, that will be your stock shot whether that's a fade or a draw or straight-ish.  Trying to manipulate your body to hit a certain shot presents more risks than are necessary for your skill level.

 

Sadly addicted to working the ball and how fun it is to play golf that way with different shots. I know that's "wrong". Also just wondering if its easier to be a stock fader to go to a low spinning cut vs learning and draw and working back to a low spin cut?

[ferrispgm]

7 minutes ago, jibbs1082 said:

 

Sadly addicted to working the ball and how fun it is to play golf that way with different shots. I know that's "wrong". Also just wondering if its easier to be a stock fader to go to a low spinning cut vs learning and draw and working back to a low spin cut?

Depends on your body.  For a lot of guys a fade is easier.  For me it's a draw because I struggle to hit fades

[Valtiel]

3,800 spin on your fades/cuts can only come from (and is likely a combination of) high dynamic loft and poor strikes (low on the face). Pros hits low spin cuts because they can deliver lower loft and strike the ball solidly. If the weak, high spin cut is coming from swing flaws then you want to chase those flaws because fixing them will bring your spin in line. Those likely include a combination of:

- Club path issues. Being excessively out to in requires a lot of clubface management and often results in an amount of flipping to square the face that adds a lot of loft. More loft = more spin.
- Strike issues. Anything lower or towards the heel is going to kick up spin further, exacerbating the problem, and is often the miss with an excessively out to in swing path. The classic "low heel to high toe" diagonal that you see on every other used driver. 😅
- Sequencing issues. One of the biggest causes of all these is getting stick hanging back at impact due to poor weight shift sequencing and subsequently rotation. 

All these bits work together to create a really inefficient delivery of the club that need to be addressed from the ground up. One of the biggest holes people fall in is all the above PLUS manipulations in an attempt to hit a draw. The outside club path issues caused by fundamental swing flaws make it impossible to get to the inside of the ball without heavy compensation moves, and since you're already compensating to hit the ball at ALL, adding another layer on top to try to hit the ball from a different path is a recipe for further inconsistency and headache. 

We'd have to see your swing to be sure of anything, but 3,800 spin if accurate is pretty severe and indicative of what i'm guess at above. 

[jibbs1082]

 

1 hour ago, Valtiel said:

3,800 spin on your fades/cuts can only come from (and is likely a combination of) high dynamic loft and poor strikes (low on the face). Pros hits low spin cuts because they can deliver lower loft and strike the ball solidly. If the weak, high spin cut is coming from swing flaws then you want to chase those flaws because fixing them will bring your spin in line. Those likely include a combination of:

- Club path issues. Being excessively out to in requires a lot of clubface management and often results in an amount of flipping to square the face that adds a lot of loft. More loft = more spin.
- Strike issues. Anything lower or towards the heel is going to kick up spin further, exacerbating the problem, and is often the miss with an excessively out to in swing path. The classic "low heel to high toe" diagonal that you see on every other used driver. 😅
- Sequencing issues. One of the biggest causes of all these is getting stick hanging back at impact due to poor weight shift sequencing and subsequently rotation. 

All these bits work together to create a really inefficient delivery of the club that need to be addressed from the ground up. One of the biggest holes people fall in is all the above PLUS manipulations in an attempt to hit a draw. The outside club path issues caused by fundamental swing flaws make it impossible to get to the inside of the ball without heavy compensation moves, and since you're already compensating to hit the ball at ALL, adding another layer on top to try to hit the ball from a different path is a recipe for further inconsistency and headache. 

We'd have to see your swing to be sure of anything, but 3,800 spin if accurate is pretty severe and indicative of what i'm guess at above. 

This all makes sense, and it’s interesting, because unlike irons where I feel comfortable delivering from inside, when I deliver driver from inside I find I end up with just a massive push slice, not even a cut, likely from face to path.

 

Focusing on face impact being low toe is interesting and will be curious to see if “just being athletic” and focusing on ball impact on the face might create some results of what Im looking for

[bladehunter]

6 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Interesting. I've been doing everything I can to un-learn my draw. I don't necessarily want to hit nothing but fades either. Getting to something generally straight with slight movement either direction would be golden. Draws, to me, are way overrated. Every time I see a YouTube video where the instructor is advocating a swing move which encourages a draw, I hit full stop and move on. LOL!

Yep. You’re on the right track.  A proper fade is much harder than a draw in my opinion.  Most hit the old push fade and think they have it. And that’s a shot you can play. But it’s not nearly as controlled as a neutral fade that just falls right on the target.  

[ThinkingPlus]

1 minute ago, bladehunter said:

Yep. You’re on the right track.  A proper fade is much harder than a draw in my opinion.  Most hit the old push fade and think they have it. And that’s a shot you can play. But it’s not nearly as controlled as a neutral fade that just falls right on the target.  

I want a 2 yard pull with a 2 yard fade, but that's just me. 😉 LOL!

 

Made some serious progress this week. Trail shoulder turning forward with a little side bend plus keeping butt of the club low and turning around the corner. Finally I'm clearing my lead side sufficiently to allow me to square the club and get path at the target instead of in to out 5-7 degrees. Hopefully this slays the rope hooks for good.

[Soloman1]

Obviously a new bag of clubs are in order. And a little chapstick on the face.

 

Sorry, I had a long day playing at GoosePoop Lakes Golf Club. An environmentally friendly course top dressed with organic, no gluten, vegetarian poop.