Elite Golf Schools

[iacas]

6 minutes ago, NosajNeelik said:

That stone guy seems a little stiff 

 

So you're saying he'd have a hard time getting into…

 

On 1/22/2025 at 9:47 AM, iacas said:

 

[Djmc25]

I hate these guys with every ounce of my being.

[virtuoso]

24 minutes ago, Djmc25 said:

I hate these guys with every ounce of my being.

I only reached a mix of mild dissappointment and bemusement.

[NosajNeelik]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

 

So you're saying he'd have a hard time getting into…

 

 

Yea not sure he has the ability to separate the upper and lower body too well. Maybe could get a Doug sanders thing goin 

[RayPlan]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

 

So you're saying he'd have a hard time getting into…

 

 

Here are some helpful anatomical models to show the physiostructural biomechanistical utilization:

[PedronNiall]

On 1/23/2025 at 11:03 AM, iacas said:

 

So you're saying he'd have a hard time getting into…

 

 

 

Orthos/PTs hanging out near Elite's lesson tee and clinics like

 

[NosajNeelik]

Just swing on the coronal plane? Huh?seems like this guy is just trying to find anatomy words no one uses to sound smart.  

[RayPlan]

If we're using anatomy terms in weird and inaccurate ways, we might as well go full mysticism. Has anyone incorporated chakras into golf? You've already got yoga for golfers, and The Legend of Bagger Vance was based on the Bhagavad Gita, so there's a real golf guru angle to be worked there. 

[NosajNeelik]

1 hour ago, RayPlan said:

If we're using anatomy terms in weird and inaccurate ways, we might as well go full mysticism. Has anyone incorporated chakras into golf? You've already got yoga for golfers, and The Legend of Bagger Vance was based on the Bhagavad Gita, so there's a real golf guru angle to be worked there. 

I’m writing a book called the Tao de Swing

[NosajNeelik]

10 hours ago, NosajNeelik said:

Just swing on the coronal plane? Huh?seems like this guy is just trying to find anatomy words no one uses to sound smart.  

The more I think about this, it annoys me more. If the downswing was only in the coronal plane (side to side) then the arms would stay above your head. The fact he says it with such authority is also grating. 

[Peter_b]

Had great success with their Youtube videos so thanks Riley. Here is my way through the youtube channel.
If you do the manage transition drill at about minute 12 where you put a stick under the right arm and you try to keep the stick on the left arm as an arm swinger you realize, how the hell should I get my clubhead to the ball like this? Then you watch that video where Riley exaggerates the swing with a boy in a youtube short and you get, its left hand flexion in transition you can get there. Then your right elbow gets stuck into your right side by humerus external rotation of the trail arm by the left hand flexion and you get that now your arms can not move to the front separately, just anatomically not possible to move an external rotated upper arm across the body. Actively by moving the elbow I could never do this. With flextion in transition it works.

You stop chunking by getting the sternum over where you want the divot to happen with his stop chunking video. But there is much more to it. You understand uphill and downhill lies all with the sternum position. Chunking gets a rarity. Even more: You realize from other videos you did not allow your head left in transition and doing so a bit and get the sternum before the ball. A lot of good by this. Sternum gets in front of ball, hip starts rotating the opposite way, pressure left foot that was so hard before and now is easy, easier turn around left foot that was so hard before, swinging left is now possible, better contact, maybe first real divot in your life. Complete game changer. So understand how to stop arm swing and allow your sternum in front of the ball and you may open a complete new golf chapter. They basically stop begnning the swing with the arms and keeping yourself too centered. Something 99% the golfers I see do wrong.

For me their golden move is the left hand flexion and by that locking in the right elbow and moving the sternum before the ball and keeping it there for the rest of the swing. 

Feelable checkpoints in transition that work for me but may not work for you are flexion right hand, Sternum before ball which is visible and pressure left foot. Hardest part is to take the time for this. If I rush it I wont feel any of those.

 

Thank you Elite. 

 

videos I am talking about

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 25 by Peter_b

[iacas]

I'm glad you've had success, but I continue to have a fairly big disconnect with how Riley et al feel that the spine moves best, how the best players move, things that look anything like the below (and I understand exaggerating things), and so on…

 

[Scottbox]

In my non-humble opinion, almost none of what Elite teaches through their videos is particularly usable or translatable to most golfers who overuse their bodies and underuse their arms (properly). That said, I'm sure they're good coaches on an individual level. 

 

FYI one of Elite's instructors, TJ Katherineberg, is now a TGM/MORAD kind of guy who's pretty much ditched all that "floating ribcage" garbage. He now works with Alex Moore-- a very good, albeit outspoken, instructor. In other words, my kinda guy.

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLU68Xcses1/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

 

Edited June 25 by Scottbox

[Scottbox]

And FWIW, I completely agree with this post/screed by Jonathan Yarwood about how most online instruction can be pretty harmful. Don't TL/DR this, because it's worth your attention:

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLQRjeVRE_T/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[virtuoso]

The Elite stuff works awesome if you're just hitting an 80 yard chip shot with a 7 iron.

[iacas]

57 minutes ago, Scottbox said:

FYI one of Elite's instructors, TJ Katherineberg…

 

I'd be curious what stories he'd have to share in an off-the-record conversation… 😉 

[Scottbox]

5 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

I'd be curious what stories he'd have to share in an off-the-record conversation… 😉 

Yep. That's where the real juice is.

[MK7Golf21]

 

 

 

I haven't watched any of elite golf stuff but I saw these videos in this thread. Isn't this basically the same as @MonteScheinblum drills/teaching of removing too much right tilt in transition? Basically staying in left tilt longer and not shallowing with the body by dropping right shoulder but shallowing the club instead. 

 

I suppose the arm motions might be different with elite golf wanting you to wait to bring arms down and Monte doesn't want you to wait with the arms?

[biker74]

How can any of this be any help to 90% of golfers who play once or twice a week? Who would this type of teaching be any use too? 
 

not being rude.But no way in 50 lifetimes could I get my body to move that way

[Scottbox]

5 hours ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

 

 

I haven't watched any of elite golf stuff but I saw these videos in this thread. Isn't this basically the same as @MonteScheinblum drills/teaching of removing too much right tilt in transition? Basically staying in left tilt longer and not shallowing with the body by dropping right shoulder but shallowing the club instead. 

 

I suppose the arm motions might be different with elite golf wanting you to wait to bring arms down and Monte doesn't want you to wait with the arms?

Yes, it's similar. But @MonteScheinblum's how-to is actionable. Also, I personally don't love how long he stays in left tilt. 

[MK7Golf21]

4 hours ago, Scottbox said:

Yes, it's similar. But @MonteScheinblum's how-to is actionable. Also, I personally don't love how long he stays in left tilt. 

actionable, what does that mean? 

[getitdaily]

16 hours ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

 

 

I haven't watched any of elite golf stuff but I saw these videos in this thread. Isn't this basically the same as @MonteScheinblum drills/teaching of removing too much right tilt in transition? Basically staying in left tilt longer and not shallowing with the body by dropping right shoulder but shallowing the club instead. 

 

I suppose the arm motions might be different with elite golf wanting you to wait to bring arms down and Monte doesn't want you to wait with the arms?

Yikes...that drop-turn move...

 

That's a really good way to have some majorly trailing arms and hit some wicked pulls.

[MK7Golf21]

1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

Yikes...that drop-turn move...

 

That's a really good way to have some majorly trailing arms and hit some wicked pulls.

Yeah, so maybe a better way is to not open upper body so fast and leave arms behind. I like the less right tilt idea though. 

[virtuoso]

The problem with the elite stuff is that the guys that teach it can't even do it......but they want you to try.

[BSI99]

I got a lesson from these guys a few weeks ago in person. We worked mostly on that drop turn move in transition, keeping the back pointing towards the target while doing it. Didn't touch any of the overly exaggerated shallowing moves or anything, just getting the pelvis dropping in transition and bringing the sternum a little in front of the ball. Results were great, hit it super well and felt like my low point control was the best it's ever been. No issue with any pulls or anything. Played 1 round after and shot a 75 on a 74 rated course with like 3 lip-outs, hit the irons the best I ever have. I know these guys aren't everyone's cup of tea but it really didn't feel like they wanted me to do anything drastic at all and it felt like a natural motion. 

[MK7Golf21]

1 hour ago, BSI99 said:

I got a lesson from these guys a few weeks ago in person. We worked mostly on that drop turn move in transition, keeping the back pointing towards the target while doing it. Didn't touch any of the overly exaggerated shallowing moves or anything, just getting the pelvis dropping in transition and bringing the sternum a little in front of the ball. Results were great, hit it super well and felt like my low point control was the best it's ever been. No issue with any pulls or anything. Played 1 round after and shot a 75 on a 74 rated course with like 3 lip-outs, hit the irons the best I ever have. I know these guys aren't everyone's cup of tea but it really didn't feel like they wanted me to do anything drastic at all and it felt like a natural motion. 

how did you keep the focus on the back to the target while doing it? Seems in the clip he opens up his upper body before letting arms come down. 

[BSI99]

1 minute ago, MK7Golf21 said:

how did you keep the focus on the back to the target while doing it? Seems in the clip he opens up his upper body before letting arms come down. 

For me I "feel " like the left shoulder isn't opening up to the target, or my left arm is staying on my chest. So the club isn't getting out ahead of me (this is my bad habit. I get the club in front of my body and too out to in). In my mind I'm doing that drop move while my hands are finishing the backswing and then I just rip the upper body through the ball. 

[Peter_b]

There are two faults Riley is the holy grail for. Starting the downswing with the arms and the barrel people who never allowed their head to move forward and down even a tiny bit. Chicken head that never moves. If you can do the stick drill in manage transition video, then just skip Elite golf you have what 90% of the golfers dont. For most of us who are pickers with delofted high shots, no divots and you can not swing left, then there is no better place on Youtube to understand the problem. The exaggeration video is perfect to understand what needs to be done to bring clubhead to the ball without starting the arms. That is what the stick drill shows you. It shows that you need a drastically different motion if you want to stop being an arm swinger and Riley shows how. 

[iacas]

4 hours ago, Peter_b said:

Starting the downswing with the arms

Literally have never seen that from anyone. I doubt @MonteScheinblum has either.

[Peter_b]

I think monte will at least understand what I mean by starting with the arms. I am not a teacher. From the amateurs perspective here is what changes if you follow Rileys way. The trail elbow gets locked in place, I was never able to do actively, and the body can win the race, I can hit late and swing left. Club delofts and is 15 yards longer and lower ballflight. I am sure it is explained differently in teacher language. Basic understanding problem that often happens. I leave it to you pros discuss if Rileys method has a right to exists. From my side I chose Rileys method over Monte. Love you Monte!