46" USGA or 48" Rules of Golf driver length?

[Yacho]

Was thinking about posting this in the "Rules of Golf / Etiquette" forum, but wanted more opinionated responses vs. hard and fast "this is what the rules allow" posts.

 

In a friendly money game, do you expect to play against someone with a 46" max driver, or a 48" max driver?

 

TLDR version:

 

I've struggled with driver accuracy since I picked up golf 3 years ago.  Tried all sorts of setups.  Callaway, Titleist, Taylormade.  460cc heads, 430cc, 400cc.  R flex, S flex, X flex.  46" - 43", etc.  Different swings, swing thoughts, alignments, foot position...  you name it.  Could never quite seem to lock it down and get comfortable and consistent.  I probably hit 25% fairways on a good day with driver, even if I'm not swinging for the fences.

 

As a proper WRXer, I'm enthralled by the gear aspect of golf, so I'm always looking at how equipment specs can change on-course results as well as personal comfort levels on a club-to-club basis.  Also love the history of golf equipment, and have taken a liking to a fair amount of vintage sticks as well, and play them often.

 

On one of my thrift store visits a few weeks ago, I ran across a Black Rock 48" Long Driver (circa 1999 or so), and $2 later it was in my trunk.  My buddy has a garage sim, so I figured it'd be worth a laugh trying to hit this thing over a beer or two one night.  It pretty much amounts to being a low lofted, lightweight 3 wood head and, yes, measures 48" long.  As expected, I couldn't really square it up that well, but certainly noticed club speed way up compared to my normal numbers.  Couldn't get smash factor over 1.38, so I started wondering what would happen if I threw a proper head in it and squared it up.  Seemed like it could be fun to build an actual "long drive" driver.  Why not?  Had an extra Callaway adapter laying around, tipped the shaft to play at 48" with the new head, and glued it together.  Screwed a 2013 Razr Fit Extreme head on it and brought it along to the next sim night in my buddy's garage. Carrying 305, running out to 320+.  Fun.

 

The next week I had a tee time set up, so I decided to throw the beast in the bag for fun and see what it would do in real life on the range, since I knew I was gonna warm up with a bucket before the round.  Amazingly, I was crushing the ball with smooth swings... and straight.  Really straight.  With a great ball flight.  Wtf?  I thought you shorten your driver for accuracy, not make it longer.  Decided it had to be the tee box tool for the day, and damn, did it ever deliver!  Easy, smooth 290's all day, but...   fairways.  That's not my usual game.  I was literally laughing to myself every time I walked off the box.  Nothing made sense.

 

The following week, I was to be part of a mini "Ryder Cup" type thing a bunch of friends and I put together for $20/man.  6 on 6, fourball on the front 9, individual matches on the back.  I decided I would bring 2 drivers to use on the range for warmups, and choose to game the one that was feeling the best and giving best results.  My 45.5" Taylormade M1 was predictably inconsistent at best.  Couldn't find the groove.  Spraying it.  Switched to the long-drve Callaway...  smooth, long, stripes.  Back to the M1...  useless.  48" Callaway RFE?  Bombs.

 

Laughed out loud, gamed the long driver for the round.  Fairways, all day.  Showed my playing partners the monstrosity and encouraged them to tee up a few Top-Flites and see what it did for them.  Lotsa fun, lotsa laughs.

 

"How long you say this is?"

 

Me:  "48 inches on the nose."

 

"I thought max length was forty-six"

 

Me:  "Pretty sure it's 48."

 

"That thing's insane"

 

Me:  "Dunno why, but I hit it straighter than any other driver, so I might as well stick to it"

 

Continued to effortlessly out-drive my competition by at least 15 yds for the rest of the round, and happily took a $20 off of him on the 18th green en route to a team victory.

 

In the back of my mind, it bugged me a bit that my competitor thought that 46" was the legal limit.  I definitely don't wanna be the guy who's cheating his way to a $20 win. My honor is worth way more than that...   I better google this to make sure...   OH, SH ........!!!

 

Google of course returns a plethora of "USGA new club length limit, 46 inches" articles from Oct 2021, and I crap my pants.  Dammit! I just finally found something that works for me off the tee and it's frickin' illegal!!! I could've sworn the limit was 48 inches...  What's worse, I'm the @$$ hole now, and I'm gonna have run it back hat in hand and fix this to repair my character. 

 

Look up "USGA Rules of Golf".  What? There it is, club length 48" max, I knew it!

 

Back to the USGA returns...  Oh, I see, it's an optional Model Local Rule.  "(MLR G-10) will be available beginning on Jan. 1, 2022 to provide those running professional or elite amateur golf competitions the option of limiting the maximum length of a golf club (excluding putters) to 46 inches."  So it's an option put in place for the real gamers, but one that many pro tours have adopted.

 

So... what's the general expectation on a random tee box encounter these days?  Are people gonna be giving me the side-eye the whole time, thinking I'm cheating my way to their $20?  Should I pull the rug out from under my newfound formula and concentrate on building the very best 46" driver I can?  Are you muttering obscenities under your breath as you hand over your money on the 18th green to someone who just gamed a driver that wouldn't even be allowed on the PGA Tour?  

 

I don't wanna be THAT GUY, but I also wanna game my best game out there, and part of that just so happens to be me swinging big dog at 48", for now.

 

Looking forward to everyone's opinion! 

[Mikey_HACKilroy]

As long as you aren't playing in the Professional Tour or Elite Amateur competition, it is irrelevant.

[st1800e]

48” complies with the ROG.   Unless the MLR is in effect.  Period.  

[Shilgy]

This would be the equivalent to switching balls during a round.  The PGA Tour uses the one ball rule.  But you and your buddies are fine playing Titleist one hole and Callaway the next.  Or ProV1 one hole and AVX the next.

 

Would anyone have an issue with that?

 

Both the driver and ball switch are allowed by the rules UNLESS you’re playing an event that specifically says NO.

[Yacho]

1 minute ago, Shilgy said:

This would be the equivalent to switching balls during a round.  The PGA Tour uses the one ball rule.  But you and your buddies are fine playing Titleist one hole and Callaway the next.  Or ProV1 one hole and AVX the next.

 

Would anyone have an issue with that?

 

Both the driver and ball switch are allowed by the rules UNLESS you’re playing an event that specifically says NO.

 

True.

 

I was just about to ask if there were any other equipment discrepancies like this between what we watch on TV and the ROG.  The ball change is one of them, for sure.  Good catch 

[st1800e]

1 minute ago, Yacho said:

I was just about to ask if there were any other equipment discrepancies like this

Another one, clubs that comply with the 2010 groove rule only are allowed on tour and elite events.  
The rest of us can play with “just about anything” that complies with the ROG.  

Yes, there’s exceptions and more detail to this, but that would be a big Thread Jack. 
For those interested search the forum for 2010 groove rule and you can post any followup on the threads you find.  
 

Cheers.  

[596]

In a game between friends, even a money game, I wouldn't care at all if you were using an illegal driver.  Even though you are not. I play with guys all the time that carry as many as 15 to 16 clubs. I don't care. It ain't the end of the world. 

[Yacho]

2 minutes ago, st1800e said:

Another one, clubs that comply with the 2010 groove rule only are allowed on tour and elite events.  
The rest of us can play with “just about anything” that complies with the ROG.  

Yes, there’s exceptions and more detail to this, but that would be a big Thread Jack. 
For those interested search the forum for 2010 groove rule and you can post any followup on the threads you find.  
 

Cheers.  

 

Had this in the back of my mind as well, though you don't see new equipment being made with the old grooves, so it's pretty much unavailable unless you drag up old gear.  But you can get a 48" Paradym shipped to your door tomorrow. 

[Yacho]

4 minutes ago, 596 said:

In a game between friends, even a money game, I wouldn't care at all if you were using an illegal driver.  Even though you are not. I play with guys all the time that carry as many as 15 to 16 clubs. I don't care. It ain't the end of the world. 

 

It's the assuptions and expectations I'm looking for really.  You're pretty laissez faire about it, for sure, and that counts.  But if I knew I was playing for cash and show up with a conforming bag, I might take some issue with a dude that shows up playing 20 clubs and tops it off with an illegal 500cc high c.o.r. driver, and mashes me by 30yds off the tee every hole.  Of course, those examples are against the core ROG.

 

My OP driver example is only contrary to the ROG sometimes, depending on the event.  Hence, me trying to guage people's expectations here, vs the hard and fast ROG.

[bobfoster]

The actual answer is fairly trivial. As @st1800e said, 48” complies with the ROG. Unless the MLR is in effect. Period.  

 

What is interesting is your weirdly anomalous experience (anything is seriously contrary to conventional wisdom is interesting to me).

 

I've gone back and forth over the years, but always within the range of about 44" - 44.75".  Tried 45" a couple times. Even 46", and the longest was trying a buddy's 47.5". Weird how much difference an inch here or a half inch there can make. I definitely saw distance gains, but when I hit (especially) 46" or above, my dispersion seriously went all to hell. Never could wrestle those lengths under control. 

 

So I totally get the distance gains, but when you say - Amazingly, I was crushing the ball with smooth swings... and straight.  Really straight.  With a great ball flight. - well, that is unusual. And puzzling. It just makes me wonder why. (Note - not doubting or dissin' you here - just genuinely curious.)

[st1800e]

22 minutes ago, Yacho said:

trying to guage people's expectations here

My expectation is they’ll play by the rules of golf.

Not sure where you’re going with this? 
If some buddies want to agree 46” drivers only when this play together, ok. Go for it. 
How can a person object to a 48” driver and if they do, what’s the basis for their objection?  
 

Or is it like, I don’t have any ProV1’s, so you can’t use them either? 

[Yacho]

53 minutes ago, st1800e said:

My expectation is they’ll play by the rules of golf.

Not sure where you’re going with this? 
If some buddies want to agree 46” drivers only when this play together, ok. Go for it. 
How can a person object to a 48” driver and if they do, what’s the basis for their objection?  
 

Or is it like, I don’t have any ProV1’s, so you can’t use them either? 

 

 

Yep, I'm with ya all the way. Regular ROG for me. Just wanted to get a feel for which rules most golfers (besides myself) expect to play by...  like, if it's a certain way on tv, then thems the rules, right?  Apparently not.

 

I guess my interest may be analogous to an american football game rule.  Is it one foot in bounds for a catch(college rules), or two feet in (NFL rules)?  In a pickup game, which would be the assumption among most players?

 

That's where I'm going with this. And when you're talking equipment, it's a harder switch to make than just choosing one version or the next on the first tee box.  

 

My playing partner bringing up the idea that he thought 46" was the rule is what prompted my thoughts.  In some scenarios (pro and elite am events), he would be actually correct.  Not so much for us hackers though! 😄

[Yacho]

56 minutes ago, st1800e said:

Or is it like, I don’t have any ProV1’s, so you can’t use them either

 

This could indeed be a real thing if they ever go through with rolling back the ball.  😬

[Yacho]

1 hour ago, bobfoster said:

The actual answer is fairly trivial. As @st1800e said, 48” complies with the ROG. Unless the MLR is in effect. Period.  

 

What is interesting is your weirdly anomalous experience (anything is seriously contrary to conventional wisdom is interesting to me).

 

I've gone back and forth over the years, but always within the range of about 44" - 44.75".  Tried 45" a couple times. Even 46", and the longest was trying a buddy's 47.5". Weird how much difference an inch here or a half inch there can make. I definitely saw distance gains, but when I hit (especially) 46" or above, my dispersion seriously went all to hell. Never could wrestle those lengths under control. 

 

So I totally get the distance gains, but when you say - Amazingly, I was crushing the ball with smooth swings... and straight.  Really straight.  With a great ball flight. - well, that is unusual. And puzzling. It just makes me wonder why. (Note - not doubting or dissin' you here - just genuinely curious.)

 

Yup, makes no sense yet.  And it's not really distance I'm chasing...  that's just an obvious byproduct.  I wouldn't give this 48" thing a second thought if it wasn't landing on the stripe all the time.  I just wanted to make sure I was looking at the right set of commandments before I throw some more money into experimenting with driver between 46 and 48 inches.

 

If I had to pinpoint anything right now for why it's working, I'd say that it's easier to get to my 108mph ss with the long driver, so maybe by not putting any effort into distance at all, it's allowing me to swing smoother and make better contact.   Not totally sure, the sample size is still small.

[st1800e]

The Killer Bee?  IIRC the shafts were light and flexible. Sort of an early Autoflex. 

[Shilgy]

2 hours ago, st1800e said:

The Killer Bee?  IIRC the shafts were light and flexible. Sort of an early Autoflex. 

Could have been…as I recall they were just long…endorsed by Rocky Thompson on the senior tour back in the day.

 

Found this

 

The year was 1995. Drivers at the time were coming out from 43 to 45 inches. Black Rock Golf was ready to change that and promise more distance than ever before. There was no technology behind the driver to an extent. It was not about new materials or anything of the sort. The idea was that by adding 3 inches to the driver, the ball went further and they were right.

Black Rock was based on Englewood, CO and the Killer Bee driver that came out came in either 46 or 48 inches. Due to the design idea (meaning just extra long), there could be no patent issued, so they went to market quickly. Im sure many remember those infomercials. Going to market quickly got some buzz going, but they made one crucial mistake...They never checked to see if it conformed to the USGA. Rocky Thompson and Jack Rule were able to raise 1.2 million in capital to produce the driver and instead of going in stores, they went straight to the infomercials. 

The Cost was $200 and Thompson was one of the stars of his own video as he wore a loud black and yellow outfit. During the course of 1995 sales reached 5 million. The following year Black Rock went public and then in 1997, the company put out a full line of clubs including a higher end (cost was $350) version of the Killer Bee that featured a titanium head. One problem however, in just February, the company was contacted by the USGA and told that a portion of their line of metal woods was non-conforming. 

The reason was not the length or distance or anything of the sort mind you. It was that the markings on the face were in violation of the measurement requirements and in turn would be illegal for play. Because of that finding, sales came to halt. Black Rock had spent close to half a million dollars sending clubs back to the factory for changes to be made. The sick twist here is that the USGA, just 60 days later, would reverse their decision, but sales were down nearly 25% by that time and the company lost nearly 3 million dollars.

[Yacho]

2 hours ago, st1800e said:

The Killer Bee?  IIRC the shafts were light and flexible. Sort of an early Autoflex. 

 

Nailed it, but only the shaft. The head itself has no Killer Bee stamping on it.  This one predates the actual killer bee heads from Golfsmith (got one of those, too 😄), just Black Rock on it.  The Killer Bee shaft is in Firm flex, and it's not super lightweight at 75g, but flows pretty well.  Had to pull 9g from the Callaway head to make it swing correctly.

 

It all got me wanting to build my SLDR 430 with a Prolaunch Blue at near max allowable lengths to see how it would do for me.

[Yacho]

The graphics on the shaft are probably the ugliest in existence, which makes it all the more hilarious when I pull it out and paint runways with it out to three-hundo.

 

 

[Yacho]

Oh, and the Cally RFE head is green and black, so now it REALLY has that vomit inducing color scheme going for it.  🤪

[2bGood]

I am a big "rules guy" 48" would be zero issue for me unless there was a local rule in place. 

 

I would not give it a moments thought, and next time it comes up just ask them to show you where the local rule is. 

[Milfordlefty]

11 hours ago, Yacho said:

The graphics on the shaft are probably the ugliest in existence, which makes it all the more hilarious when I pull it out and paint runways with it out to three-hundo.

 

 

You need more bags of clubs 😁. Great story. Likely the longer shaft puts your body/swing position. I wouldn't sweat the rules concern, most golfers don't know the USGA or R&A exist.

[Yacho]

Yep, not sweating it for sure.  Just had me thinking a bit.  My mind is at ease now with 48" being the number. 

 

Now on to go build out a stack of long drivers to see if anything is gonna beat out the Queen Bee FrankenCally.  It's gonna be a long winter!

[Yacho]

34 minutes ago, Milfordlefty said:

You need more bags of clubs

 

Yes.  Yes I do.

[Mikey_HACKilroy]

Honestly, what works for the golfer works for the golfer. I know, dumb statement. LOL

 

Personally, I like the unconventional when it comes to finding the right fit for the driver, woods, and hybrids. With Irons, I'm much more a "pick it and stick with it" kind of guy. With the driver, I stumbled into 46" playing length after incorrectly specifying shaft length on a purchase and found it worked. I bought a weight kit and bit by bit maxed it out.

I added in stages and found I could withstand it, and then added some more. My thoughts were the conditioning I would get over time would justify it, and I ended up sticking with it because now it feels like any other club. We're only really talking about 40-50g through the whole club which is around an eighth of a pound.

Unconventional, but it works for me. Magic pill it is not, and I didn't go do it because I saw somebody else doing it. I just tried it.

Kudos to you for trying it, and cool that it worked out. 😄

[Milfordlefty]

2 hours ago, Yacho said:

Yep, not sweating it for sure.  Just had me thinking a bit.  My mind is at ease now with 48" being the number. 

 

Now on to go build out a stack of long drivers to see if anything is gonna beat out the Queen Bee FrankenCally.  It's gonna be a long winter!

A quote from Charleton Heston in Planet of the Apes, "Damn you to hell", now you have me looking a Killer Bee drivers on ebay. Wow, they made left handed!, but only 2 lh drivers listed and none are 48" (one has been bastardized to 43.5"). Like it was going to work for me anyway.

[Yacho]

2 hours ago, Milfordlefty said:

A quote from Charleton Heston in Planet of the Apes, "Damn you to hell", now you have me looking a Killer Bee drivers on ebay. Wow, they made left handed!, but only 2 lh drivers listed and none are 48" (one has been bastardized to 43.5"). Like it was going to work for me anyway.

 

Ha!  Oh boy...

 

I don't think there's anything particularly magical about the Black Rock killer bee stuff.  It was generally worthless for me until I took the head off and replaced it with the Callaway anyway.  The shaft seems to have nothing too unique going on about it.  Just a long, 75 gram, low-mid kick, stiff flex shaft with an ugly as hell paint job.  Tipped now, I guess, if you wanna get specific.  I wouldn't go too crazy hunting one down, but hard to pass up if you see one for a song at your local thrift.

 

The other Killer Bee I mentioned is the Stinger Plus titanium 420cc.  Found that glued up to a Grafalloy Prolaunch Blue 65s, playing at 46.5".  Added about 4g of lead tape to the bottom of that, and could hit some proper bombs with that as well, when I wasn't duck-hook diving it hard left.

Edited November 29, 2023 by Yacho

[fromearth]

On 11/28/2023 at 4:49 PM, Yacho said:

Was thinking about posting this in the "Rules of Golf / Etiquette" forum, but wanted more opinionated responses vs. hard and fast "this is what the rules allow" posts.

 

In a friendly money game, do you expect to play against someone with a 46" max driver, or a 48" max driver?

 

TLDR version:

 

I've struggled with driver accuracy since I picked up golf 3 years ago.  Tried all sorts of setups.  Callaway, Titleist, Taylormade.  460cc heads, 430cc, 400cc.  R flex, S flex, X flex.  46" - 43", etc.  Different swings, swing thoughts, alignments, foot position...  you name it.  Could never quite seem to lock it down and get comfortable and consistent.  I probably hit 25% fairways on a good day with driver, even if I'm not swinging for the fences.

 

As a proper WRXer, I'm enthralled by the gear aspect of golf, so I'm always looking at how equipment specs can change on-course results as well as personal comfort levels on a club-to-club basis.  Also love the history of golf equipment, and have taken a liking to a fair amount of vintage sticks as well, and play them often.

 

On one of my thrift store visits a few weeks ago, I ran across a Black Rock 48" Long Driver (circa 1999 or so), and $2 later it was in my trunk.  My buddy has a garage sim, so I figured it'd be worth a laugh trying to hit this thing over a beer or two one night.  It pretty much amounts to being a low lofted, lightweight 3 wood head and, yes, measures 48" long.  As expected, I couldn't really square it up that well, but certainly noticed club speed way up compared to my normal numbers.  Couldn't get smash factor over 1.38, so I started wondering what would happen if I threw a proper head in it and squared it up.  Seemed like it could be fun to build an actual "long drive" driver.  Why not?  Had an extra Callaway adapter laying around, tipped the shaft to play at 48" with the new head, and glued it together.  Screwed a 2013 Razr Fit Extreme head on it and brought it along to the next sim night in my buddy's garage. Carrying 305, running out to 320+.  Fun.

 

The next week I had a tee time set up, so I decided to throw the beast in the bag for fun and see what it would do in real life on the range, since I knew I was gonna warm up with a bucket before the round.  Amazingly, I was crushing the ball with smooth swings... and straight.  Really straight.  With a great ball flight.  Wtf?  I thought you shorten your driver for accuracy, not make it longer.  Decided it had to be the tee box tool for the day, and damn, did it ever deliver!  Easy, smooth 290's all day, but...   fairways.  That's not my usual game.  I was literally laughing to myself every time I walked off the box.  Nothing made sense.

 

The following week, I was to be part of a mini "Ryder Cup" type thing a bunch of friends and I put together for $20/man.  6 on 6, fourball on the front 9, individual matches on the back.  I decided I would bring 2 drivers to use on the range for warmups, and choose to game the one that was feeling the best and giving best results.  My 45.5" Taylormade M1 was predictably inconsistent at best.  Couldn't find the groove.  Spraying it.  Switched to the long-drve Callaway...  smooth, long, stripes.  Back to the M1...  useless.  48" Callaway RFE?  Bombs.

 

Laughed out loud, gamed the long driver for the round.  Fairways, all day.  Showed my playing partners the monstrosity and encouraged them to tee up a few Top-Flites and see what it did for them.  Lotsa fun, lotsa laughs.

 

"How long you say this is?"

 

Me:  "48 inches on the nose."

 

"I thought max length was forty-six"

 

Me:  "Pretty sure it's 48."

 

"That thing's insane"

 

Me:  "Dunno why, but I hit it straighter than any other driver, so I might as well stick to it"

 

Continued to effortlessly out-drive my competition by at least 15 yds for the rest of the round, and happily took a $20 off of him on the 18th green en route to a team victory.

 

In the back of my mind, it bugged me a bit that my competitor thought that 46" was the legal limit.  I definitely don't wanna be the guy who's cheating his way to a $20 win. My honor is worth way more than that...   I better google this to make sure...   OH, SH ........!!!

 

Google of course returns a plethora of "USGA new club length limit, 46 inches" articles from Oct 2021, and I crap my pants.  Dammit! I just finally found something that works for me off the tee and it's frickin' illegal!!! I could've sworn the limit was 48 inches...  What's worse, I'm the @$$ hole now, and I'm gonna have run it back hat in hand and fix this to repair my character. 

 

Look up "USGA Rules of Golf".  What? There it is, club length 48" max, I knew it!

 

Back to the USGA returns...  Oh, I see, it's an optional Model Local Rule.  "(MLR G-10) will be available beginning on Jan. 1, 2022 to provide those running professional or elite amateur golf competitions the option of limiting the maximum length of a golf club (excluding putters) to 46 inches."  So it's an option put in place for the real gamers, but one that many pro tours have adopted.

 

So... what's the general expectation on a random tee box encounter these days?  Are people gonna be giving me the side-eye the whole time, thinking I'm cheating my way to their $20?  Should I pull the rug out from under my newfound formula and concentrate on building the very best 46" driver I can?  Are you muttering obscenities under your breath as you hand over your money on the 18th green to someone who just gamed a driver that wouldn't even be allowed on the PGA Tour?  

 

I don't wanna be THAT GUY, but I also wanna game my best game out there, and part of that just so happens to be me swinging big dog at 48", for now.

 

Looking forward to everyone's opinion! 

Former Long Drive Competitor here.

48 is USGA Max so it is no issue even at the PGA level.

That said a Driver at max length will slow down and smooth out your swing and that is likely why you are getting more accuracy.

You may have also, just by chance, installed the shaft perfectly. I could be wrong but put it on a vice oscillate it then look at the motion. It may be perfectly straight.

I used to build (Long Drive) clubs by getting 10 shafts Spine aligned. Then put each one in a vice to test it.  I would take only the best shafts, sell the rest on eBay, and then dry mount the head, usually with a small piece of brass from a shim. Then, oscillate it and re-mount it until you find that perfect spot. It can be found, but it is tedious. 

It is USGA legal so I would say nothing. Take their money!
 

Edited November 30, 2023 by fromearth

[Yacho]

39 minutes ago, fromearth said:

You may have also, just by chance, installed the shaft perfectly

 

Nope, not by chance.  This is WRX, after all...   😉

 

The Killer Bee shaft, surprisingly enough, was actually installed spine-aligned from the factory in the original head.  And there was also considerably tight tolerances showing very little variance in flex as you rotate around the shaft...  along the lines of modern-day shaft standard deviations.  Impressive for a late 90's infomercial product.  Then again, maybe I just lucked out and ended up with a good one.

 

Completely contrary to an old True temper EI-70 i have, that changes like 1.5 flexes depending on which way you install it 😆

[Ri_Redneck]

Here's my experiment.

 

BT

 

[TKS]

Reading where the LD guys are swinging 180-gr-190gr heads with 50- 65 gr shafts at 48".

I've been working with the new Wishon 719MW driver head in my fittings with many people, resulting in added distance.

I thought I'd have some fun and build one to 48" to wring out every bit of swing speed my ageing self can muster. With a 170gr starting head weight I can keep the club in a reasonable swing weight working between a 55 and 45 gr shaft to dial in the loading feel - obviously, my initial test showed an increase in swing speed at best 12mph.  Still some more to do but may need to drop the 60* wedge for a second driver.