Tsr4 sits closed?

[gbang15]

Anybody else notice their Tsr4 sits closed at address compared to a stock Tsr3? It's to the point It changed my swing pattern. Was wondering if anybody else saw this with their Tsr4 before i stop by a golf shop and bug them for a new head.

[hagimihale]

@gbang15, what is your TSR4 set to?  (i.e. A1, B2, etc)?  Some settings will effectively close the face a bit.  

[gbang15]

1 hour ago, hagimihale said:

@gbang15, what is your TSR4 set to?  (i.e. A1, B2, etc)?  Some settings will effectively close the face a bit.  

I've only set it on standard to open settings. D1, C2, D2. D2 setting looks to be the most open to me at address, but still not as open as my 22' Stealth + head. it's bringing the wrx out of me because the 22' Stealth is slower off the face than the Tsr line. But my flight is more consistent with the Stealth head.

[shortgameneedswork]

Unless you are left handed, I think you are going the wrong way and closing the face more than standard. If you want the open settings, perhaps try C1 or B1. 

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by shortgameneedswork

[gbang15]

[Valtiel]

2 hours ago, gbang15 said:

The point is however that Upright/Flat can also influence how the face sits slightly independent of the measured angle. Upright settings can often appear more closed and flat settings more open, hence why C1 is generally considered the most "open" setting on any given Titleist head. This isn't a hard and fast rule however, some companies like Cobra have experimented with sole geometry to negate this visual differences. 

As for the head itself, I don't recall it feeling like it sat shut, most Titleist stuff appears a bit open to me, but that could be a bulge and roll thing. Lower spin/Lower MOI heads like the "4" models in Titleist's lineup will often have more aggressive bulge and roll to offset the stronger gear effects from mishits, and a more prominent bulge on the heel side of the head can make the face look more closed, even if it isn't. The TSR3 would have less prominent heel/toe bulge, and many Taylormade heads appear much straighter faced due via how crown paintlines are used cleverly to disguise bulge, and the overall shape of the crown. 

I don't know how much the face angles vary on Titleist woods, they've always felt pretty consistent to me honestly so i'm not sure if another one is the answer unless you can put a bunch down and cherry pick any variations you see. That stuff messes with me too though, i'm super picky about face angles and how the face generally looks behind the ball. If I couldn't get over the aesthetics of a driver like that and it messed with my swing i'd be ditching it in a hurry.  

Edited December 28, 2023 by Valtiel

[gvogel]

11 hours ago, gbang15 said:

I've only set it on standard to open settings. D1, C2, D2. D2 setting looks to be the most open to me at address, but still not as open as my 22' Stealth + head. it's bringing the wrx out of me because the 22' Stealth is slower off the face than the Tsr line. But my flight is more consistent with the Stealth head.

Go back to A1 or B1 and see how it looks.  And hits.

[gbang15]

35 minutes ago, gvogel said:

Go back to A1 or B1 and see how it looks.  And hits.

A1would close it back compared to any lower loft setting. Come back with a more educated answer that’s useful and types. 

Edited December 28, 2023 by gbang15

[gbang15]

8 hours ago, Valtiel said:

The point is however that Upright/Flat can also influence how the face sits slightly independent of the measured angle. Upright settings can often appear more closed and flat settings more open, hence why C1 is generally considered the most "open" setting on any given Titleist head. This isn't a hard and fast rule however, some companies like Cobra have experimented with sole geometry to negate this visual differences. 

As for the head itself, I don't recall it feeling like it sat shut, most Titleist stuff appears a bit open to me, but that could be a bulge and roll thing. Lower spin/Lower MOI heads like the "4" models in Titleist's lineup will often have more aggressive bulge and roll to offset the stronger gear effects from mishits, and a more prominent bulge on the heel side of the head can make the face look more closed, even if it isn't. The TSR3 would have less prominent heel/toe bulge, and many Taylormade heads appear much straighter faced due via how crown paintlines are used cleverly to disguise bulge, and the overall shape of the crown. 

I don't know how much the face angles vary on Titleist woods, they've always felt pretty consistent to me honestly so i'm not sure if another one is the answer unless you can put a bunch down and cherry pick any variations you see. That stuff messes with me too though, i'm super picky about face angles and how the face generally looks behind the ball. If I couldn't get over the aesthetics of a driver like that and it messed with my swing i'd be ditching it in a hurry.  

after thorough evaluation before posting  all the lower loft settings sit open compared to the standard A1 setting. I have a Rory type push draw with similar proportions to him. So a flat setting wouldn’t make sense for a guy like me. 
 

this question shouldn’t be over complicated lol 

[taylorx300]

TSR 4 Driver with the most open setting is C1 for RH. If it still looks closed get a lower lofted head. 8* will appear more open than a 9*

[Valtiel]

3 hours ago, gbang15 said:

after thorough evaluation before posting  all the lower loft settings sit open compared to the standard A1 setting. I have a Rory type push draw with similar proportions to him. So a flat setting wouldn’t make sense for a guy like me. 
 

this question shouldn’t be over complicated lol 

Never said anything about the "A1" setting, obviously anything lofting down from that would appear more open, you just omitted the most open setting (C1) so I was making sure. Also flatter settings *are* what makes sense for shorter overall height, however more so with irons. Rory likes more upright lie angles for strike purposes as he is a toe miss guy and upright lie angles on woods can help move strike slightly away from there. If you are also someone that misses in the toe then that might be helpful, but if not then using Rory's fit as a blueprint for your own doesn't make much sense. Lie angle for low lofted clubs has very little impact on ball curvature anyway. 

If you've tried all these settings and the head still doesn't look right to you then i'd move on. 

Edited December 28, 2023 by Valtiel

[gbang15]

7 hours ago, Valtiel said:

Never said anything about the "A1" setting, obviously anything lofting down from that would appear more open, you just omitted the most open setting (C1) so I was making sure. Also flatter settings *are* what makes sense for shorter overall height, however more so with irons. Rory likes more upright lie angles for strike purposes as he is a toe miss guy and upright lie angles on woods can help move strike slightly away from there. If you are also someone that misses in the toe then that might be helpful, but if not then using Rory's fit as a blueprint for your own doesn't make much sense. Lie angle for low lofted clubs has very little impact on ball curvature anyway. 

If you've tried all these settings and the head still doesn't look right to you then i'd move on. 

guarenteed theres multiple factors not just his strike pattern that influences his upright lie angle. i.e. his ability to raise the handle at impact, and his delivery to keep the clubhead square at impact. C1 is not the most open setting under the titleist surefit chart. Any option lofted down from A1 setting is considered 1.5* open. (i.e. D1, C2, D2 settings included.) Unless, you're able to digitally prove this with a machine or quote a statement made by titleist, your claims should be under speculation. You've been caught spreading misinformation before on here. 

 

Either way, I prefer a setting congruent to rory's swing pattern. If it was simple as strike pattern i'm sure he'd be using any lie angle. But, playing golf at such a high level as myself; we all know lie angle influences much more than strike pattern. Unless, you're not able to feel those differences in the swing, which seems ignorant to ignore. 

 

Also, weren't you the person stating rory tipped his 3w shaft 1"? which was wrong and spreading wrong info on here until I corrected you? (he tips his ventus 3wood 1.5" to clear up your misinformation.)

Edited December 29, 2023 by gbang15

[Valtiel]

2 hours ago, gbang15 said:

guarenteed theres multiple factors not just his strike pattern that influences his upright lie angle. i.e. his ability to raise the handle at impact, and his delivery to keep the clubhead square at impact. C1 is not the most open setting under the titleist surefit chart. Any option lofted down from A1 setting is considered 1.5* open. (i.e. D1, C2, D2 settings included.) Unless, you're able to digitally prove this with a machine or quote a statement made by titleist, your claims should be under speculation. You've been caught spreading misinformation before on here. 

 

Either way, I prefer a setting congruent to rory's swing pattern. If it was simple as strike pattern i'm sure he'd be using any lie angle. But, playing golf at such a high level as myself; we all know lie angle influences much more than strike pattern. Unless, you're not able to feel those differences in the swing, which seems ignorant to ignore. 

 

Also, weren't you the person stating rory tipped his 3w shaft 1"? which was wrong and spreading wrong info on here until I corrected you? (he tips his ventus 3wood 1.5" to clear up your misinformation.)

I'm sure there are multiple factors, but it has been stated in an interview (either him or a TM tech, can't remember which) that that is the main reason for favoring driver lie angles like that. Pros rarely use lie angles in woods for shot shape manipulation; face angle and CG are the focus. Not sure what you mean re: "his ability to raise the handle at impact" being a factor there because his slightly under plane and inside delivery has him raising the handle *less* than the average pro, which would support flatter lie angles, not upright, which brings us back to the notes about strike being the driving factor.

As for the driver head, I said in the first post that lie angle *can* impact how the head sits on the ground so C1 is considered potentially the most "open" setting, one that you left out of your list, so it warranted checking out since it would take 2 seconds and seemed like a simple suggestion. Apparently that was taken as an affront to your intelligence though based on how you've gotten weirdly combative with a stranger(s) on the internet, so have fun with your high level golf game patterned after Rory I guess. 😅

[dwboston]

Ask a question, get reasonable suggestions from several people based on the information provided, proceed to get smug and condescending and reject the suggestions out of hand.  Seems like a good way to immediately get added to ignore lists.

[MFBach]

9 hours ago, gbang15 said:

But, playing golf at such a high level as myself; we all know lie angle influences much more than strike pattern. Unless, you're not able to feel those differences in the swing, which seems ignorant to ignore. 

Well, playing at such a high level and being as accomplished as yourself, perhaps you’re too skilled and intelligent too have a basic conversation about FA adjustment with the peons here in the Tech forum… even the ones that can properly interpret and implement adapter settings.
 

If you want to play with Rory’s settings in a TSr4, even though he plays a different model driver with different factory lie angles and adjustability patterns, great. But why bother asking to begin with?

 

9 hours ago, gbang15 said:

C1 is not the most open setting under the titleist surefit chart. Any option lofted down from A1 setting is considered 1.5* open.

Yes, it is. It’s the lowest lofted, flattest setting *EFFECTIVE LOFT WIT A SQUARE FACE AT IMPACT*, as stated in the SureFit adjustment chart provided above. You asked for the most open setting for the face at address, not the most appropriate setting for your swing, and the answer to that question is C1. Discussions about bulge, sole geometry, and Rory’s swing plane are all irrelevant. 
 

9 hours ago, gbang15 said:

You've been caught spreading misinformation before on here. 

Honestly, I wasn’t even going to respond until I read this, but look at the guy’s post history in ANY forum on the site before throwing out some ridiculous accusation about spreading misinformation. 
 

He constantly provides insight and a knowledgable opinion in the Tech and Swing forums to anyone willing to ask and listen. Nobody was attacking you, your question, or your response. It was merely a discussion, albeit a stupid one that’s easily answered (and has been 100’s upon 100’s of times here) until you started flaming about your impeccable talent superior knowledge. 
 

You may be a great player. Who knows? Plenty of them don’t know or care why a particular club or setting feels or looks right or wrong. But if you’re going to be humble enough to ask a technical question about a club (or anything else for that matter), be humble enough to listen to the answers you receive without acting like a petulant child. 

[bcflyguy1]

+1 on my ignored list.

[MattC555]

Y'all should know better than to try and help someone with a full Titleist bag.  @MtlJeff is this your future?

[MattM97]

1 hour ago, MattC555 said:

Y'all should know better than to try and help someone with a full Titleist bag.  @MtlJeff is this your future?

 

See MtlJeff does appreciate the help of others though.

[MattC555]

5 minutes ago, MattM97 said:

 

See MtlJeff does appreciate the help of others though.

 

That's only because his putter isn't a Scotty.  😂 

[MtlJeff]

1 hour ago, MattC555 said:

Y'all should know better than to try and help someone with a full Titleist bag.  @MtlJeff is this your future?

 

I never turn down help, a nice young man parked my Mercedes at the restaurant the other day!

[jj9000]

On 12/27/2023 at 2:34 AM, gbang15 said:

Anybody else notice their Tsr4 sits closed at address compared to a stock Tsr3? It's to the point It changed my swing pattern. Was wondering if anybody else saw this with their Tsr4 before i stop by a golf shop and bug them for a new head.

 

I think you should stop by a golf shop and bug them for a new head.

 

Then, when they tell you the same sht that you were told here, you can get all smug with them and tell them you're Rory and stuff.  Cool story going on here.

[grochol17]

4 hours ago, jj9000 said:

 

I think you should stop by a golf shop and bug them for a new head.

 

Then, when they tell you the same sht that you were told here, you can get all smug with them and tell them you're Rory and stuff.  Cool story going on here.

 

I feel bad for the person at the return counter when the OP shows up with a used TSR4 and demands a brand new head because his doesn't look right in his "Rory settings."

[GwrxMod]

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