Titleist GT Driver - anyone fit into it?

[JungleJimbo]

On 7/13/2024 at 10:28 AM, storm319 said:

The 909DComp had a carbon crown back in 2009 (still Titleist’s only carbon crowned driver to date). 
 

Carbon is not always better. Most of the time the weight savings is negated by whatever is needed to adhere and reinforce the crown/body joint. Titleist’s all titanium TS2/3 had lower CG than nearly all of the carbon crowned models in another site’s 2019 CG test. Ultimately, Titleist would have released a carbon crown by now if there was a noticeable performance benefit so the lack of carbon should be telling. 

 

On 7/13/2024 at 12:11 PM, Pnwpingi210 said:

It’s a composite.  A polymer and plastic blend that is proprietary, atleast from what has been leaked/early released. 

 

"Composite Crown" = reads to me as "similar construction to other manufacturers using glued carbon"?

(e.g. timestamp ~1m20s of the True Spec video ... or timestamp ~2m19s in the Titleist GT driver Launch video).

 

...p/s: Has Titleist previously featured LPGA players as prominently in their advertising?

(I saw Emily Pedersen and Alexa Pano in this advert ... forgive my ignorance / no offence intended!

Wasn't aware they were Titleist ambassadors

... and from imperfect memory, I've only ever noticed some Titleist clubfitting videos with Iona Stephen : https://www.youtube.com/@ontheroadwithiona/search?query=titleist) 

 

On 7/16/2024 at 2:29 AM, Audi A-Fore said:

This 100%. I think they'd have something with carbon if there were gains to be made AND there was a reliable, cost effective way to produce these en masse.

 

I personally love that it's solid construction without glued carbon. This forum is littered with stories about carbon faces and crowns popping off or cracking at the seams. I was at the range last Wed and the guy next to me had his Cobra Aerojet's carbon crown break off. It was <4 mos. old.

 

The current wave of driver design really is about minimizing the delta on off center hits. The aim is keeping speed and spin in a tight window, regardless of where you hit it on the face. Center strikes are going to be comparable between drivers (say TSR vs GT vs. XXX), but keeping those launch numbers the same on a low heel or high strike or low toe strike is the going to raise the overall average distance of the driver by keeping those off center hits in a tighter circle.

 

Edited August 6, 2024 by JungleJimbo

[Pnwpingi210]

8 hours ago, JungleJimbo said:

 

 

"Composite Crown" = reads to me as "similar construction to other manufacturers using glued carbon"?

(e.g. timestamp ~1m20s of the True Spec video ... or timestamp ~2m19s in the Titleist GT driver Launch video).

 

...p/s: Has Titleist previously featured LPGA players as prominently in their advertising?

(I saw Emily Pedersen and Alexa Pano in this advert ... forgive my ignorance / no offence intended!

Wasn't aware they were Titleist ambassadors

... and from imperfect memory, I've only ever noticed some Titleist clubfitting videos with Iona Stephen : https://www.youtube.com/@ontheroadwithiona/search?query=titleist) 

 

 

It’s not carbon fiber.  They have come out and said it.  People have directly asked and they said not carbon fiber.

 

One of the reviews a titliest rep mentions polymer blend plastic metallic something or other.  It’s proprietary so we will never know.
 

 

[JungleJimbo]

1 hour ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

It’s not carbon fiber.  They have come out and said it.  People have directly asked and they said not carbon fiber.

 

One of the reviews a titliest rep mentions polymer blend plastic metallic something or other.  It’s proprietary so we will never know.
 

 

Noted. What i meant to say is that it's no longer "all titanium" ... and the composite crown presumably needs glue/ epoxy / other bonding material (rather than the welds for an all-titanium driver head)

 ... hence the comment "similar construction as other manufacturers using... [carbon/composite/ etc]"

  

[Jutmoore]

Got fit yesterday, currently gaming a Cobra Darkspeed LS 9 w/ Ventus black 6x, a few things worth noting.

• I've read of other people having a similar experience elsewhere, but make sure you hit both models. I've always gravitated to Titleist drivers, and have always been fitted into whatever 3 variant they have, this time I was fit into a GT2 lofted down a degree. 
• Gained a bit on club head speed, probably due to the shaft length. I've typically played drivers at 45" or shorter for control. With this one, for some reason, I had no trouble finding the middle at stock length. 
• Front to back dispersion is really where this stood out for me. It didn't overspin or underspin too much on off center strikes, everything but the absolute worst shots tended to stay somewhere in the 2000s. For me, The TRS3 overspun on a bad strike, the Cobra's great out of the middle, but a bit high maintenance elsewhere, it can both spin too much or too little depending on where you miss it. If you're going to buy a GT, this (and the point below) is why you do it.  
• To me, they nailed the sound/feel. Subjective, I know, but it reminds me of the sound/feel of the 910 if you're familiar with it. Softer than TSR, definitely not in a bad way. If you veer off center, you'll know, but it's not offensive.   
• Coming from the black 6x, I got a chance to hit the VR for the first time, loved the feel, got pretty good numbers with it. But don't sleep on the Gen5 HZRDUS. Admittedly not as smooth feeling as the VR or the Ventus, but ultimately that was best for me and saved me the upcharge cost. 
• Not related to the driver, but the 13.5 GT2 fairway is an absolute monster. I'm not the best fairway player, but no issues off the deck even at 200cc, ball speed numbers were getting up there with the driver. 

Edited August 6, 2024 by Jutmoore

[jsixman]

Can anyone say that they actually stuck with their TSR2?  I have a TSR2 with Diamana GT and there's not really any way it can be beat for $650.  

[dwboston]

57 minutes ago, jsixman said:

Can anyone say that they actually stuck with their TSR2?  I have a TSR2 with Diamana GT and there's not really any way it can be beat for $650.  

 

I've stuck with the TSR2.  I had a Team Titleist fitting, and was only marginally better with GT2, and that was likely due to the slightly longer shaft.

[teedub21]

My TSR2 has been the best driver I’ve owned to date.  Gonna be hard to unseat it for $650+

[MerryTex]

I was fitted into the GT2 fairway wood today. I stopped at my local shop to get my daughter a little starter set (she’s 3) and gave the new heads a look. Driver was good but no better than the TSR3 or I should say at least with the short amount of time I had. I did hit the fairway woods and was really liking the GT2. I tried the Denali Red, Tensei Blue 1k and a DI 7S. I had good ball speed with the Blue 1k. I had my AI Smoke TD with me and tried to head to head. Ball speed was more consistent on the GT2 and carry. My strikes that weren’t as center were punished more with the TD. 
 

I’m a sucker and ordered one. I also put my TSR3 back in the bag to have consistent sound and visual. 

[storm3]

10 hours ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

It’s not carbon fiber.  They have come out and said it.  People have directly asked and they said not carbon fiber.

 

One of the reviews a titliest rep mentions polymer blend plastic metallic something or other.  It’s proprietary so we will never know.
 

 

Watch the MG$ launch interview with Titleist, the PMP (Proprietary Matrix Polymer) refers to the polymer resin impregnated carbon fiber weave that forms the crown (most of the outlets are just regurgitating the marketing copy, but both MG$ and GD went into more detail).

Ultimately it is still a composite carbon crown (but definitely doesn’t sound/feel like it). 

Edited August 6, 2024 by storm319

[Pnwpingi210]

Just now, storm319 said:

Watch the MG$ launch interview with Titleist, the PMP (Proprietary Matrix Polymer) refers to the polymer resin that impregnates a carbon fiber weave to form the crown (most of the outlets are just regurgitating the marketing, but both MG$ and GD went into more detail on it).

Ultimately it is still a composite carbon crown (but definitely doesn’t sound/feel like it). 

So it is carbon fiber?

 

if so there reps are misinformed cause I saw on camera where they were asked direct and said not carbon fiber.

 

Good to know they too have jumped on the carbon fiber train if it is!  Rather have that than the an unamed polymer plastic blend.

 

[MerryTex]

All I know is that the fairway woods sounded very good. The GT2 is less of a high pitched sound than the TSR2 but it has a nice modern metal sound that isn’t muted too much by carbon/other material. 

[Llortamaisey]

1 hour ago, storm319 said:

Watch the MG$ launch interview with Titleist, the PMP (Proprietary Matrix Polymer) refers to the polymer resin impregnated carbon fiber weave that forms the crown (most of the outlets are just regurgitating the marketing copy, but both MG$ and GD went into more detail).

Ultimately it is still a composite carbon crown (but definitely doesn’t sound/feel like it). 

Just because Titleist says it is carbon doesn’t mean that’s the case. WRXers know way more about the Titleist drivers than the people who designed it. 

[Carolina Golfer 2]

12 hours ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

It’s not carbon fiber.  They have come out and said it.  People have directly asked and they said not carbon fiber.

 

One of the reviews a titliest rep mentions polymer blend plastic metallic something or other.  It’s proprietary so we will never know.
 

 

It definitely is Carbon Fiber. I don’t know who you heard say it wasn’t. But watch the interview with MGS and Stephanie Luttrell.  Credit to Tony C for pushing on on exactly what is Proprietary Matrix Polymer and she says it’s a Carbon Fiber mixed with Resign in a proprietary way.  
 

Since shes the head of Titleist Metalwood Development.  I’ll go with what she say. Over whoever is “they” 

 

it’s arond the 6:00 to 6:30 mark of the video. 

Edited August 7, 2024 by Carolina Golfer 2

[Pnwpingi210]

1 minute ago, Carolina Golfer 2 said:

It definitely is Carbon Fiber. I don’t know who you heard say it wasn’t. But watch the interview with MG$ and Stephanie Luttrell.  Credit to Tony C for pushing on on exactly what is Proprietary Matrix Polymer and she says it’s a Carbon Fiber mixed with Resign in a proprietary way.  
 

Since shes the head of Titleist Metalwood Development.  I’ll go with what she say. Over whoever is “they” 

 

it’s arond the 6:00 to 6:30 mark of the video. 

Im glad to hear it’s carbon fiber vs a plastic polymer.  Carbon fiber has proven successful as a material in driver heads.

 

i don’t doubt its carbon fiber after hearing confirmation from her.  That is different than what some of their other representatives have said on video.  Don’t kill the messenger on that man.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

5 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Im glad to hear it’s carbon fiber vs a plastic polymer.  Carbon fiber has proven successful as a material in driver heads.

 

i don’t doubt its carbon fiber after hearing confirmation from her.  That is different than what some of their other representatives have said on video.  Don’t kill the messenger on that man.

Lol. Sorry didn’t mean to attack you.  Just wanted to provide info directly from the source. 

[Carolina Golfer 2]

Also like @storm319 said. Most videos i have seen are reading straight from the press release info.  And no doubt Titleist wants to refer to it as PMP to make it stend out from just another Carbon crow—which it by all means does!   So we might not have gotten that info without TC asking exactly what is PMP

[Pnwpingi210]

30 minutes ago, Llortamaisey said:

Just because Titleist says it is carbon doesn’t mean that’s the case. WRXers know way more about the Titleist drivers than the people who designed it. 

To be clear it was a titilist fitter or rep being interviewed.  They talked about generational pmp propriety polymer and the person being fit asked “but no/not carbon fiber” and the titleist fitter or rep said “not carbon fiber”.

 

neither were on wrx that I am aware of.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

14 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

To be clear it was a titilist fitter or rep being interviewed.  They talked about generational pmp propriety polymer and the person being fit asked “but no/not carbon fiber” and the titleist fitter or rep said “not carbon fiber”.

 

neither were on wrx that I am aware of.

So pretty much the same when i had my staff fitting. Our rep who has been with Titleist for years only used the PMP terminology.  We didnt ask about carbon.

 

It is odd the fitter is my guess not the rep in what you watched was either afraid to say it was carbon or maybe they didn’t actually tell the reps and they didn’t ask.  Ha

Edited August 7, 2024 by Carolina Golfer 2

[JungleJimbo]

2 hours ago, storm319 said:

Watch the MG$ launch interview with Titleist, the PMP (Proprietary Matrix Polymer) refers to the polymer resin impregnated carbon fiber weave that forms the crown (most of the outlets are just regurgitating the marketing copy, but both MG$ and GD went into more detail).

Ultimately it is still a composite carbon crown (but definitely doesn’t sound/feel like it). 

 

2 hours ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

So it is carbon fiber?

 

if so there reps are misinformed cause I saw on camera where they were asked direct and said not carbon fiber.

 

Good to know they too have jumped on the carbon fiber train if it is!  Rather have that than the an unamed polymer plastic blend.

 

 

[Pnwpingi210]

18 minutes ago, JungleJimbo said:

 

 

Noted, we cleared that up a few posts above this one!  

[CanFred]

On 8/3/2024 at 12:07 AM, TeeTime907 said:

This is interesting what Titleist had to say about lower MOI.

 

 

 Making the case for less is more. While there has been in some circles a push toward driver designs lately with an extreme moment of inertia, including those that push a combined stability in the horizontal and vertical planes above the 10,000 grams-centimeters squared mark, Titleist’s GT driver philosophy is decidedly not in that camp. These latest models, with a more forward and lower CG, actually show a slightly lower moment of inertia than their predecessors. That’s an immaterial concession, Luttrell said flatly.

“When you focus solely on one parameter, it can oftentimes be at the detriment of other aspects of club performance,” she said. “Moment of inertia is logarithmic in terms of its benefit, and so the higher that you get, the less impactful it is to you. So where these products all live is still in a space that's incredibly stable for launch and spin stability, as well as speed stability.”

Translation: Super high MOI, in Titleist’s design brief, compromises overall performance. Moreover, the company points to research that indicates 85 percent of all driver impacts occur within a half-inch of the center of the face, a region she says isn’t going to be improved by super-high MOI designs.

 

“As you seek to design for moment of inertia, there are penalties for seeking out that max inertia,” Luttrell said. “You lose speed because of your center gravity position, because of its depth. Do you want to design a driver to be as fast and as great performing as you can for 85 percent of the time? Or do you want to design it for the 15 percent of the time and sacrifice the 85 percent?”

Would absolutely love to see this side by side with the 10K / Qi10 models - I get her point, but it is curious that Titleist has taken a very different route (in comparison to the other OEMs).

[Sep]

I was fit into a GT4 and kind of scratching my head at it. 107-108 swing speed. I have a hard time launching the ball. My fitter put me into a 10* GT4 turned up to 11 with a red ventus TR 6x. 
 

kind of want a second opinion?

Edited August 7, 2024 by Sep

[AbSWFPGA]

Have never owned a titleist driver. Is the gt2/tsr2 model their more forgiving model? Like a smoke max of 430 max? 

[storm3]

1 hour ago, AbSWFPGA said:

Have never owned a titleist driver. Is the gt2/tsr2 model their more forgiving model? Like a smoke max of 430 max? 

From a pure MOI perspective, the TSi2 is the most forgiving driver Titleist has ever produced (still going to be short of any Ping max models granted we are talking diminishing returns at that point).

 

With both the TSr and GT lines they decided to sacrifice MOI in favor of speed. Given the MOI graph shared in the Cool Clubs GT launch video, it appears that the TSr2 has a higher MOI than the entire GT line which saw CG move forward and lower than each of their predecessors. 

[Ca3l]

4 hours ago, Sep said:

I was fit into a GT4 and kind of scratching my head at it. 107-108 swing speed. I have a hard time launching the ball. My fitter put me into a 10* GT4 turned up to 11 with a red ventus TR 6x. 
 

kind of want a second opinion?

I can’t remember if it was here or in one of the fitting videos I watched, but since the gt4 has two weight ports, I think with the right config the 4 can basically be a 2.5. I wouldn’t doubt it if you did your fitting with Team Titleist — they tend to be the best/most knowledgeable about their lineup from what I’ve seen. If it wasn’t, and you’re doubting, wouldn’t hurt to try to set one up with them before dropping the $$. At least with TSR, the cost of the fitting went towards the purchase so well worth the time imo.

[Lobber]

Spoke with Titliest customer service this morning and they informed me the Ventus TR Red I was fit for is on back order for at least a week or so.  Had that not been the case my driver would have shipped this week.  Patience is a virtue I guess but I need my new driver!

[MMB1500]

On 8/6/2024 at 12:51 PM, jsixman said:

Can anyone say that they actually stuck with their TSR2?  I have a TSR2 with Diamana GT and there's not really any way it can be beat for $650.  

 

Seems like a missed opportunity to play a GT shaft in a GT head 😉. 

[tgrabowske]

7 hours ago, Sep said:

I was fit into a GT4 and kind of scratching my head at it. 107-108 swing speed. I have a hard time launching the ball. My fitter put me into a 10* GT4 turned up to 11 with a red ventus TR 6x. 
 

kind of want a second opinion?

Did he put heavy weight in the back? and what it typical miss? Seems to be a solid option, higher launching ventus, you are on the cusp of x-stiff and stiff. If you miss right turning it up closes the face a little! Dont sleep on the TSR4/GT4 they are incredibly good.

[Rbsiedsc]

15 hours ago, ChrisATL said:

Would absolutely love to see this side by side with the 10K / Qi10 models - I get her point, but it is curious that Titleist has taken a very different route (in comparison to the other OEMs).

its the same route callaway took. They weren't pushing MOI but AI on the face. Now, what is the real story with the GT line.

[LinkLow]

I finally went yesterday. I walked in expecting to be fit into the GT2 since that's what so many people have been fit into. I couldn't believe how much better the GT3 was for me, personally.  

 

I'm in a TSR3 with a Diamana WB 63TX. GT2 had almost identical carry numbers to my TSR setup, but the spin was too low, although the ball flight was crazy straight.   GT3 blew them all out of the water and 13 yards longer on average than the TSR3 and GT2. 

 

GT4 looks great but didn't spend much time with it.