New Titleist CB’s

[Pnwpingi210]

53 minutes ago, bogeypro said:

Y'all... This isn't hard: 

 

Cool clubs cb testing:  Cb

T100 testing:  T100

 

Cb appears to have slightly lower spin launch.   Said the t100 and 150 has the same spin launch.  I'm not sure how they calculate.  They didn't provide actual spin rates.  

Yup, lower with a degree more loft.

 

 

[Pnwpingi210]

7 hours ago, Bdck said:

A "spin launch" rating of 272 means absolutely nothing. The 620cb has a higher rating at 340 too. 

 

Take the L

spin launch is explained below.

 

Cb has lower spin launch (340) at a higher loft (35 degrees)

t100 has higher spin launch (350 )at lower loft (34 degrees)

 

https://www.coolclubsoz.com.au/blog/spin-launch

 

you can do with that information what you like and form your own opinion.

[mtnbiker5]

Another CB winner today as well at the Scottish.   Shiels was right.   Looking forward to Titieists launch on these.  Will certainly test and perhaps combo into my current lineup.

[Bdck]

50 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

spin launch is explained below.

 

Cb has lower spin launch (340) at a higher loft (35 degrees)

t100 has higher spin launch (350 )at lower loft (34 degrees)

 

https://www.coolclubsoz.com.au/blog/spin-launch

 

you can do with that information what you like and form your own opinion.

It means absolutely nothing, and the videos above have different number than you're quoting. 

[bogeypro]

I've always preferred the cb.  718 was so good.  620 is great too.  Really looking forward to another model though.  No multi material stuff.  Just forged goodness with pre worn leading edge. 

[g_nw]

I'm just hoping there are no adhesive badges

[PostandGhost]

7 hours ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Yup, lower with a degree more loft.

 

 

If I remember correctly, their spin launch rating system takes into account the loft so that it's not a factor in the score.  It seems like their goal is to make it more apples to apples. 

[mtnbiker5]

Should be an expensive Fall.  Ne wCB/MB release with GT driver already gone through proving ground.  I find it hard to believe that Titleist will add a badge to the CB/MB lineups.   I have to believe they will knock it outta ball park.   They’ve had 5 years and these clubs for many are the holy grails.   Me personally, said it for years, I wish they would come out with new metal on these lines.  Make them soft, timeless and beautiful.    We shall see.

Edited July 15, 2024 by mtnbiker5

[Pnwpingi210]

5 minutes ago, PostandGhost said:

If I remember correctly, their spin launch rating system takes into account the loft so that it's not a factor in the score.  It seems like their goal is to make it more apples to apples. 

Correct, so if you normalize for launch the spin is higher in the t100.

 

 For every degree in launch the t100 spins 350 revs, for every degree in launch the cb spins 340 revs.

 

so if both irons launch at 20 degrees the t100 spins 200 revs more, all other variables the same.

Edited July 15, 2024 by Pnwpingi210

[PostandGhost]

19 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Correct, so if you normalize for launch the spin is higher in the t100.

 

 For every degree in launch the t100 spins 350 revs, for every degree in launch the cb spins 340 revs.

 

so if both irons launch at 20 degrees the t100 spins 200 revs more, all other variables the same.

T100 is 10 points higher?!  That's insane.  

[MK7Golf21]

I love titleist but they always seem to have more offset in their players irons vs others it seems. TM always keeps their offset low on the other hand. 

[Llortamaisey]

40 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Correct, so if you normalize for launch the spin is higher in the t100.

 

 For every degree in launch the t100 spins 350 revs, for every degree in launch the cb spins 340 revs.

 

so if both irons launch at 20 degrees the t100 spins 200 revs more, all other variables the same.

So it sounds like what you are saying is that if the CB were to launch 1° higher than the T100 due to the 1° of more loft that it has over the T100, it would actually spin more than the T100?

 

20° x 350 = 7,000

21° x 340 = 7,140

[Pnwpingi210]

7 minutes ago, Llortamaisey said:

So it sounds like what you are saying is that if the CB were to launch 1° higher than the T100 due to the 1° of more loft that it has over the T100, it would actually spin more than the T100?

 

20° x 350 = 7,000

21° x 340 = 7,140

That’s is how the math works out in that scenario.

 

I hit both at 34 degrees loft.

 

620 launched about a degree or so lower (16 ish) than the t100 (17 ish) for me on that day.

 

 

Edited July 15, 2024 by Pnwpingi210

[Llortamaisey]

13 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

That’s is how the math works out in that scenario.

 

I hit both at 34 degrees loft.

 

620 launched about a degree or so lower (16 ish) than the t100 (17 ish) for me on that day.

 

 

Seems like that could be why Titleist designed them with a slightly weaker loft. 

[Pnwpingi210]

Just now, Llortamaisey said:

Seems like that could be why Titleist designed them with a slightly weaker loft. 

Could be. I always prefer to see the lower launch.

 

I can’t fully explain why they launch lower and spin less than t100 ( as did the mbs), but they did.  The cool clubs data was a scenario that a poster asked for that shows it’s not out of the realm of possibilities.  They have the information they need to form their own opinion. 
 

we can go back to talking about the new series.

[g_nw]

1 hour ago, mtnbiker5 said:

I find it hard to believe that Titleist will add a badge to the CB/MB lineups.

 

🫣

[Pnwpingi210]

3 hours ago, Bdck said:

It means absolutely nothing, and the videos above have different number than you're quoting. 

You’re watching the wrong video then.   Please make sure you watch the 90 mph videos and not the 80mphs videos.    90 is more applicable to my experience.

[HateTheHighDraw]

I just got a set of the 620 CBs. Love them. New ones? Whatevs

[LinkLow]

On 7/14/2024 at 9:30 PM, MK7Golf21 said:

I love titleist but they always seem to have more offset in their players irons vs others it seems. TM always keeps their offset low on the other hand. 

My MBs have very little offset

[MK7Golf21]

1 hour ago, LinkLow said:

My MBs have very little offset

 

The 620 MB's are fine, was talking more their players irons and older mb's. I was looking at the t100 the other day and noticed the offset so looked them up. The offset in titleist irons has been noticeable over the years. 

 

in mm's

 

TM MC offset

6 iron 2.3 mm

7 iron 2.1 mm

8 iron 2 mm

 

Ping blueprint s offset

6 iron 2.5 mm

7 iron 2 mm

8 iron 1.5 mm

 

 

I also remember the 716 mb's which were had Adam Scott's input having a lot of offset since he likes that. The 6 iron had 2.8mm of offset. Same for the 718 mb's 2.8mm offset in 6 iron, probably why I didn't pick them back then. They removed a ton of offset in the 620 mb's, probably one of the reasons they are liked so much and sticking around.

Edited July 17, 2024 by MK7Golf21

[gticlay]

On 7/14/2024 at 6:51 PM, mtnbiker5 said:

Should be an expensive Fall.  Ne wCB/MB release with GT driver already gone through proving ground.  I find it hard to believe that Titleist will add a badge to the CB/MB lineups.   I have to believe they will knock it outta ball park.   They’ve had 5 years and these clubs for many are the holy grails.   Me personally, said it for years, I wish they would come out with new metal on these lines.  Make them soft, timeless and beautiful.    We shall see.

The 620 has a badge, unfortunately.

[lpitts82]

On 7/14/2024 at 6:51 PM, mtnbiker5 said:

Should be an expensive Fall.  Ne wCB/MB release with GT driver already gone through proving ground.  I find it hard to believe that Titleist will add a badge to the CB/MB lineups.   I have to believe they will knock it outta ball park.   They’ve had 5 years and these clubs for many are the holy grails.   Me personally, said it for years, I wish they would come out with new metal on these lines.  Make them soft, timeless and beautiful.    We shall see.

So you’re basing a new CB off of a video Rick posted hitting old CB’s that he never demoed? Seems kind of baseless when many people have been told by titleist reps there are currently no plans for a new CB or MB. 

[mtnbiker5]

15 hours ago, lpitts82 said:

So you’re basing a new CB off of a video Rick posted hitting old CB’s that he never demoed? Seems kind of baseless when many people have been told by titleist reps there are currently no plans for a new CB or MB. 

Ok I guess we’re stuck with the CB’s that have been out for 5 years then.  Sounds exciting thanks.

[Redman]

Seems like there is someone on here that needs to admit they were wrong after trying to call someone else out!!

[elwhippy]

Considering how much of a niche these are why would Titleist bother developing a new retail model? There isn't much of a market for a cavity that is harder to hit than most pure blades.

[JStang]

5 hours ago, Redman said:

Seems like there is someone on here that needs to admit they were wrong after trying to call someone else out!!

 

What did we miss?

[Redman]

2 hours ago, JStang said:

 

What did we miss?

One of the posters saying over and over that the spin claim was 100% not wrong! 

[DufferSparks21]

On 7/12/2024 at 9:33 PM, Pnwpingi210 said:

They (cb) significantly less with higher speed and steeper players.  It was tough me to get t100 under 7500-8000 on stock shots. Cb and mb both could be kept under 7k.  Same shaft, same ball. Neutral path and face, 3.5-5 down AoA, 97mph swing speed.  

the t100 did offer more protection on less than perfect strikes.

I realized this today. I couldn’t keep spin numbers down with t100. Just spinny balloons is what it felt like. Had my Apex CB with me and dint have any issues with those. 

[SJP1]

17 hours ago, DufferSparks21 said:

I realized this today. I couldn’t keep spin numbers down with t100. Just spinny balloons is what it felt like. Had my Apex CB with me and dint have any issues with those. 

One thing I found was 2019 T100 was noticeably lower spin than both the 2021 and latest iteration of T100.

 

I’ve gone back to a CB because it gives me the lower spin of the 2019 T100, with the feel and nicer lines at address of a CB. The last two versions of T100 spin too much for my delivery.

 

My last four sets have been 714 CB, 716 T-MB, T100 (2019) and now back to a CB with TC-201. 

 

I loved the 714 CB’s but got seduced into chasing more distance with the T-MB. The T-MB’s were great for me (I can get steep) because they managed spin and launched high. But, because I’m steep I can tend to catch some a bit higher out of the face now and then, especially in semi rough, and I got pretty tired of air-mailing greens. So I went to 2019 T100 when they were released to help manage that spin drop-off while maintaining some forgiveness. The 2019 T100’s were great, was very happy with them and ended up gaming them for five years. I tested 2021 T100 on their release out of curiosity and while I preferred the look at address of the newer ones, I lost half a club from increased spin and carried on with the 2019’s for a couple more years. When the latest T100 came out, I tested those and same story, look great, but more spin. T150 managed spin much better, but they were so long it wouldn’t work at the bottom of the bag. 

 

This year I ended up going to TC-201’s bent 1* weak (which matches them to T100 lofts while also taking out more offset from an already low offset head, which is just a perfect combo) and they’re brilliant. They spin the same as the 2019 T100’s but look better (almost unbeatable) at address with the benefit of having much improved feel and a pre-worn leading edge - just like the 2019 T100.

 

The 620 CB gave really similar numbers to the 201’s - again, less spin than T100 - but not a fan of the more rounder lines versus the Miura. 

[Sef]

Some additional hearsay for the group. I am still playing my 718 CB's (and love them) but wanted to check out the 620's today. The fitter I was working with checked all around the store for the head, then spoke to a few other fitters and came back to tell me the Titleist rep had taken the 620 CB heads because a new model was coming out.

 

Idk if this is true or they just lost the head, but either way I didn't get to hit them.