Simple EE fix explanation

[Deadaimz]

I love this swing thought. I can't wait to try it out.

[MonteScheinblum]

😜😜😜😜

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXoW93m2HcY

[Valtiel]

4 hours ago, Deadaimz said:

I love this swing thought. I can't wait to try it out.

The one thing i'd add to that is the correct pressure shift + sequence is necessary to fully realize what he (and Monte via his earlier linked concept) are talking about. Monte talks about that here, because if you don't get that pressure into your lead side in time to support "matching the trail hip" as he put it, you'll get to that point and get stuck there + extend. We've seen more than a few people attempt this overall concept without enough of that pressure shift and it results in trading one brand of EE for a different one. Keep an eye on that. 👍

[me05501]

11 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXoW93m2HcY

 

Who is that guy??

[MannJ]

I would like to contribute my understanding of ee to this conversation. 
EE is the devil 👿 

[GoGoErky]

9 minutes ago, MannJ said:

I would like to contribute my understanding of ee to this conversation. 
EE is the devil 👿 

Depends on how you look at it. It’s a necessary evil to hit the ball for those who do it. 

[JayMas]

Great advice for sure. I'll add that I  have to feel like the right hip actually moves back a little more in transition to set the stage for "keeping it still." Also helps the upper body stay closed for that hair longer like it needs to. If I just left hip back to meet the right, the right still comes out and the left hip I sent back now opens me up way too early, hello stand-up, arms out late to the ball to save it, massively in-to-out, bad low-point consistency etc.

 

The extremes of feels certainly can be interesting.

[MK7Golf21]

18 minutes ago, JayMas said:

Great advice for sure. I'll add that I  have to feel like the right hip actually moves back a little more in transition to set the stage for "keeping it still." Also helps the upper body stay closed for that hair longer like it needs to. If I just left hip back to meet the right, the right still comes out and the left hip I sent back now opens me up way too early, hello stand-up, arms out late to the ball to save it, massively in-to-out, bad low-point consistency etc.

 

The extremes of feels certainly can be interesting.

 

he certainly makes it seem pretty simple in that video but you run can run into all sorts of issues trying it. This tip has been around for many years, I remember first seeing it like 15 years ago with a plane of glass behind the golfer. It's the same concept of a chair or ball on your backside as well. 

 

You EE for a reason, doing the drill and just bringing your left butt back to meet the right will most likely throw your hands out and cause the shaft to come down steep. It's actually pretty difficult to actually do in a real swing when things don't line up for it. 

[betarhoalphadelta]

9 hours ago, Valtiel said:

The one thing i'd add to that is the correct pressure shift + sequence is necessary to fully realize what he (and Monte via his earlier linked concept) are talking about. Monte talks about that here, because if you don't get that pressure into your lead side in time to support "matching the trail hip" as he put it, you'll get to that point and get stuck there + extend. We've seen more than a few people attempt this overall concept without enough of that pressure shift and it results in trading one brand of EE for a different one. Keep an eye on that. 👍

 

I resemble that remark 😉 

 

But yeah, it's all linked. I'm not sure you can physically implement the thought of "left hip back" if you haven't gotten the pressure over there early enough. Maybe if you're lucky your brain puts two and two together and you start getting the pressure shifted because you can't implement it otherwise--the brain is powerful that way. But that never happened for me. I'm trying to go the opposite direction by getting the pressure shift fixed first. 

[vandyfan]

On this, a little off topic, but one way I helped my early extension was to try to not rotate my hips in the downswing. They eventually turn through the ball but this allowed me get my hands and arms in sequence with my hips instead of trailing them. So the feel for me was to restrict my hips opening up as long as possible and this stopped most of my early extension as well as my EE was coming from throwing my hips open and at the ball in a misguided attempt at speed. See a lot of stuff about people trying to "get open" with their impact position but for me it feels quite the opposite. I am almost trying to get closed as I feel there is a natural opening that no matter how much I try to shut down, I still end up slightly open at impact so there is no need to ADD it. If that makes sense. 

[JayMas]

30 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

he certainly makes it seem pretty simple in that video but you run can run into all sorts of issues trying it. This tip has been around for many years, I remember first seeing it like 15 years ago with a plane of glass behind the golfer. It's the same concept of a chair or ball on your backside as well. 

 

You EE for a reason, doing the drill and just bringing your left butt back to meet the right will most likely throw your hands out and cause the shaft to come down steep. It's actually pretty difficult to actually do in a real swing when things don't line up for it. 

For sure, if there are earlier, critical issues with set up, takeaway, etc. then this won't be that helpful. Things have to line up for it, but I'd argue that point applies for basically all transition advice. If the rest of your backswing has issues most transition info or feels aren't gonna work.

 

My comment is purely if one's early extension is the result of some poor transition movement or some underlying tendencies (I played soccer and have quick hips) with all other things being in acceptable windows up to that point.

Edited July 30, 2024 by JayMas

[vandyfan]

33 minutes ago, JayMas said:

(I played soccer and have quick hips) with all other things being in acceptable windows up to that point.

I never thought about soccer's impact. I played soccer in college and then 12 years after that in low level pro and then high level amateur. Have always battled my hips flying open and I guess that makes sense as soccer has your body square to the target at impact vs the golf swing which is...not. Never made that connection myself. 

[MonteScheinblum]

3 hours ago, me05501 said:

 

Who is that guy??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qDBYiOBrc

[JayMas]

21 minutes ago, vandyfan said:

I never thought about soccer's impact. I played soccer in college and then 12 years after that in low level pro and then high-level amateur. Have always battled my hips flying open and I guess that makes sense as soccer has your body square to the target at impact vs the golf swing which is...not. Never made that connection myself. 

Not an often discussed other sport for its impact on the golf swing! Great, specific observation with your last sentence too.

 

I will say in my golf swing journey, my early solutions were to just ignore my lower body entirely and try to make it as passive as possible (no shocker that didn't work, just like passive arms and hands don't). Figured the lack of attention would help the quickness.

 

But as I fixed larger, core issues with my wrist set, and my head tilt/eyeline, I've gotten to a point where getting my lower body to move better needs to come by focusing on it specifically. Sometimes working on other body parts has a chain effect, and sometimes it doesn't and you just have to do it.

 

The good news is, because of soccer, it's comfortable for me to make changes and incorporate new movements there!

[iacas]

I played soccer from 3 until 15 when I took up golf. Most people will swing in the direction away from trouble, or block the ball (while swinging right) if there's trouble left… I think my relationship with soccer and learning how to curve the ball led me to do almost the opposite: I swing toward the trouble knowing my ball will curve away from it.

 

Anyway, that's all on that, since it doesn't really seem to be related to EE.

 

So here's one that is — is EE bad, if Louis Oosthuizen EEs like this?

 

[jonsnow]

17 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXoW93m2HcY

Do most people lower the arms/hands correctly when they get the zipper away move right? Or do most people have to consciously lower the arms/hands while doing the zipper away move? I was never any good at patting my head & rubbing my stomach...

[MonteScheinblum]

58 minutes ago, jonsnow said:

Do most people lower the arms/hands correctly when they get the zipper away move right? Or do most people have to consciously lower the arms/hands while doing the zipper away move? I was never any good at patting my head & rubbing my stomach...

Correctly, no not immediately.  Better for sure.

[MonteScheinblum]

3 hours ago, iacas said:

I played soccer from 3 until 15 when I took up golf. Most people will swing in the direction away from trouble, or block the ball (while swinging right) if there's trouble left… I think my relationship with soccer and learning how to curve the ball led me to do almost the opposite: I swing toward the trouble knowing my ball will curve away from it.

 

Anyway, that's all on that, since it doesn't really seem to be related to EE.

 

So here's one that is — is EE bad, if Louis Oosthuizen EEs like this?

 

EE is always a compensation for something.  He has a restricted backswing hip turn.  His EE is to avoid being a 5 handicap wiper.

[iacas]

45 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

EE is always a compensation for something.  He has a restricted backswing hip turn.  His EE is to avoid being a 5 handicap wiper.

 

I agree… I'm just saying… that people like his swing, but he EEs a bunch. 😄 So sometimes… it's not the priority.

[MannJ]

Being someone who has worked on this quite a bit the last 18 months or so off and on, I found the address position and the pressure shift did more for me than any thing I tried previously. 

Edited July 31, 2024 by MannJ
Removed my crying about not being able to chip or putt or score in general

[me05501]

19 hours ago, iacas said:

I played soccer from 3 until 15 when I took up golf. Most people will swing in the direction away from trouble, or block the ball (while swinging right) if there's trouble left… I think my relationship with soccer and learning how to curve the ball led me to do almost the opposite: I swing toward the trouble knowing my ball will curve away from it.

 

Anyway, that's all on that, since it doesn't really seem to be related to EE.

 

So here's one that is — is EE bad, if Louis Oosthuizen EEs like this?

 

 

Genuinely curious: is that early extension or just "on time" extension? His hands have cleared his trail hip and the next frame probably shows the ball twenty feet in front of him. 

[iacas]

2 hours ago, me05501 said:

Genuinely curious: is that early extension or just "on time" extension? His hands have cleared his trail hip and the next frame probably shows the ball twenty feet in front of him. 

 

[Mono]

21 hours ago, iacas said:

I played soccer from 3 until 15 when I took up golf. Most people will swing in the direction away from trouble, or block the ball (while swinging right) if there's trouble left… I think my relationship with soccer and learning how to curve the ball led me to do almost the opposite: I swing toward the trouble knowing my ball will curve away from it.

 

Anyway, that's all on that, since it doesn't really seem to be related to EE.

 

So here's one that is — is EE bad, if Louis Oosthuizen EEs like this?

 

 

 

ha - i love this - and it's a great question - i've been working on my extension as i don't get enough - for those with the opposite problem of not extending the results are a very ugly follow though - falling back generally after the ball is gone and arms rolling - very havercampy

[iacas]

10 minutes ago, Mono said:

ha - i love this - and it's a great question - i've been working on my extension as i don't get enough - for those with the opposite problem of not extending the results are a very ugly follow though - falling back generally after the ball is gone and arms rolling - very havercampy

 

That doesn't sound like an extension problem, it sounds like a weight shift (pressure shift) problem, combined with a "unable to keep rotating through" problem.

[MK7Golf21]

4 hours ago, me05501 said:

 

Genuinely curious: is that early extension or just "on time" extension? His hands have cleared his trail hip and the next frame probably shows the ball twenty feet in front of him. 

Years back when Rory was asked who had the best swing on tour he said Louis. This was when they both went to Cowen as their swing coach, I think Louis swing probably got Rory to seek Cowens advice.
 

Not sure who Louis works with now but few years back he was working with Justin Parsons who worked on EE with him. He had him making a bigger hip turn on the backswing like Monte mentioned and also built some training aid for him to keep his rear on during the swing. Not sure if the changes stuck but he hits the ball so good and seemingly effortlessly that he doesn’t seem to make a big deal of it. Jack had some EE as well like everyone mentions. 

[JayMas]

I just realized that my "feel" above is basically Monte's zipper away and the right hip moving back more is just my tailbone headed toward 10:30, 11:00.

 

Reminded of what a great concept zipper away is and how it always looks so good on camera. Need to keep hammering that.

[CoreyW1369]

On 7/31/2024 at 12:21 PM, iacas said:

 

Hard to find fault with that delivery. 
 

Also, what constitutes “wiping”? 

[Deadaimz]

Another short from wannagolf1633

 

I really enjoy his shorts. Reminds me of Jake Hutt shorts. To the point 👉 

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/67bJeEBV0s8?si=fvFZY_l-yiNdiNYc

Edited August 7, 2024 by Deadaimz
Added vid