One length iron build and x7 shaft.

[Pnwpingi210]

Building up a tester one length iron (37.5 inches).  Does anybody know what discreet taper tip shaft Bryson used for his one lengths?  Was it a 9 irons shaft used for all irons?  6 iron shafts?  Any help is appreciated 

[bekgolf]

I don't have the answer but I am curious about the build as I have been experimenting with single length irons this summer.  The biggest challenge so far is getting the shafts right.

 

Any details on the build?  What heads are you using?

[Pnwpingi210]

1 minute ago, bekgolf said:

I don't have the answer but I am curious about the build as I have been experimenting with single length irons this summer.  The biggest challenge so far is getting the shafts right.

 

Any details on the build?  What heads are you using?

I’m currently only building up a tester 9 iron at 37.5 and 64 degrees lie.  If that goes well I will try a sand wedge and 5 iron.

 

 

older forged one length heads

Tour series xl grips 

x7 steel and Bryson 125tx.

 

[FirePro]

I would go with the shaft that works for the iron you are playing too ie. if you are planning on building a 7 iron length one length set get 7 iron shafts, unless you are looking for a firmer or softer feel.  If you are looking to match the 125 TX feel that I am not sure of

[Pnwpingi210]

2 minutes ago, FirePro said:

I would go with the shaft that works for the iron you are playing too ie. if you are planning on building a 7 iron length one length set get 7 iron shafts, unless you are looking for a firmer or softer feel.  If you are looking to match the 125 TX feel that I am not sure of

I thought about that, however all the headweights are the same (268 ish) so I would imagine playing different discreet length shafts all cut to 37.5 playing length with the same weight head will make them behave differently than intended.  
 

I thought about the 9 iron shaft pw-6 iron and then a 4 iron shaft in 4 and 5 to get some more launch.

[FirePro]

1 minute ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

I thought about that, however all the headweights are the same (268 ish) so I would imagine playing different discreet length shafts all cut to 37.5 playing length with the same weight head will make them behave differently than intended.  
 

I thought about the 9 iron shaft pw-6 iron and then a 4 iron shaft in 4 and 5 to get some more launch.

one length irons should use all the same shaft "#" ie 7 iron shaft.  Correct.  if you do not than the lower irons will feel stiffer and the longer irons will feel softer since the head weight stays the same.

 

In my experience taking a regular set and modifying them to be equal weights the wedge through 8 iron launched much higher than when played at standard length and the 6 through 4 iron launched lower.  The 5 and 4 iron there was not much difference in distance for me.  So to your point playing a softer or even a higher launching shaft in these may help with getting your proper distances.  I have not looked into it for quite some time but I am pretty sure Bryson's lofts are not standard (4 degree).  Also I assume the manufacturers change the launch conditions throughout the whole set so the wedges launch lower and lower irons launch higher.

 

 

[bekgolf]

Just now, Pnwpingi210 said:

I thought about that, however all the headweights are the same (268 ish) so I would imagine playing different discreet length shafts all cut to 37.5 playing length with the same weight head will make them behave differently than intended.  
 

I thought about the 9 iron shaft pw-6 iron and then a 4 iron shaft in 4 and 5 to get some more launch.

 

You are thinking correctly imo.  The "shorter" irons go super high while it's a challenge to elevate the "longer" ones when they are all the same shaft and/or tipping.  Wishon moved the center of gravity in the EQ1-NX single length irons to help mitigate the issue, not sure about the others.

[Pnwpingi210]

1 hour ago, bekgolf said:

 

You are thinking correctly imo.  The "shorter" irons go super high while it's a challenge to elevate the "longer" ones when they are all the same shaft and/or tipping.  Wishon moved the center of gravity in the EQ1-NX single length irons to help mitigate the issue, not sure about the others.

The head just showed up and I have a 9 irons x7 in hand.  I I’ll start with that. 
 

[RangeBaller]

[Pnwpingi210]

6 minutes ago, RangeBaller said:

This is helpful.  
 

if I play those lofts I could sub in a 2 and 3 iron utility in place of the 4 and 5 iron and then the forged one lengths 5 -pw would essentially by the same lofts as his gw-6 iron.

[Pnwpingi210]

Just built it up and first impression swinging in the back yard is face control and low point control felt pretty easy to figure out.  Path might take seeing some ball flights.

 

cruisey swings were in the low 100s and could get up to 108ish.  There’s something to the heavy grips and speed.

 

I can also see why he struggled with wedges early on.  The clubhead just wants to fling through the impact zone.

Edited August 18, 2024 by Pnwpingi210

[Plungus]

He uses his custom one length shaft from LA Golf. They're all the same 4i to lob wedge, but the long irons are a little less stiff to help get the ball in the air (marginally, they're still stout as hell). If you're not planning on going with a single length specific model like those, go with the # club shaft that corresponds to the length you've chosen. Standard 7 or 8 iron length is typical.

Edited August 18, 2024 by Plungus

[Pnwpingi210]

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5 minutes ago, Plungus said:

He uses his custom one length shaft from LA Golf. They're all the same 4i to lob wedge, but the long irons are a little less stiff to help get the ball in the air (marginally, they're still stout as hell). If you're not planning on going with a single length specific model like those, go with the # club shaft that corresponds to the length you've chosen. Standard 7 or 8 iron length is typical.

Thanks.  That would be the 6 iron so I will try that should the 9 iron be to stiff and low flighted.

 

I have a Bryson graphite iron shaft incoming as well.  He played the x7 and s400s (and won a few tour tournaments) for a time before La golf made his graphite.

[BREWMASTER95060]

Cobra One Length F7
no grips installed.
37.5 or 38 inches long
bent one of the gap wedges 4 deg weak.
precision .370 shafts.
from another post I did

I believe these are precision rifle blank shafts at

233cpm @ 43”

all clubs trimmed to 37.5”
I think I will trim them to a finished length 37".
Still thinking about it.

 

Edited August 19, 2024 by BREWMASTER95060
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[Howard_Jones]

15 hours ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

I thought about that, however all the headweights are the same (268 ish) so I would imagine playing different discreet length shafts all cut to 37.5 playing length with the same weight head will make them behave differently than intended.  
 

I thought about the 9 iron shaft pw-6 iron and then a 4 iron shaft in 4 and 5 to get some more launch.

268 = #7 iron heads
37.50" = plus 0.5" vs standard #7

Using #9 iron shafts would be like hard stepped 2x, and i think that will deliver "worm killers" for the "long end", so unless you are one of those aliens where X7 feels very soft, i think X7 #9 as single iron shafts is overkill on flex.

Bryson seems to have been using the #9 (read below)

"“Bryson asked if we could make him a shaft out of graphite that was stiffer than the TT (True Temper) Dynamic Gold X7 that he was gaming,” said John Oldenburg, Chief Product Officer at LA Golf shafts"

If he used #7 shafts, he would for shure know that #9 is stiffer and used that, so when he is asking for even stiffer, it must be vs X7 #9, anything else dont make sence here.

[Pnwpingi210]

26 minutes ago, Howard_Jones said:

268 = #7 iron heads
37.50" = plus 0.5" vs standard #7

Using #9 iron shafts would be like hard stepped 2x, and i think that will deliver "worm killers" for the "long end", so unless you are one of those aliens where X7 feels very soft, i think X7 #9 as single iron shafts is overkill on flex.

Bryson seems to have been using the #9 (read below)

"“Bryson asked if we could make him a shaft out of graphite that was stiffer than the TT (True Temper) Dynamic Gold X7 that he was gaming,” said John Oldenburg, Chief Product Officer at LA Golf shafts"

If he used #7 shafts, he would for shure know that #9 is stiffer and used that, so when he is asking for even stiffer, it must be vs X7 #9, anything else dont make sence here.

Thanks for this.  I tried the 9 iron x7 shaft in a 9 iron one length head at 37.5.  It was stiff and there was zero chance I could hit a draw (it’s also about 3 degrees too flat for me so I need to get that fixed. ). I’ll try a 7 iron shaft while I wait for the graphite to arrive.

 

early signs are promising.   

[Howard_Jones]

2 hours ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Thanks for this.  I tried the 9 iron x7 shaft in a 9 iron one length head at 37.5.  It was stiff and there was zero chance I could hit a draw (it’s also about 3 degrees too flat for me so I need to get that fixed. ). I’ll try a 7 iron shaft while I wait for the graphite to arrive.

 

early signs are promising.   

Interesting project, keep us posted

[Pnwpingi210]

21 minutes ago, Howard_Jones said:

Interesting project, keep us posted

Will do.  The 7 iron shaft setup is built up and ready to go.  Definitely has more feeling of load swinging in backyard.

 

these do feel easier to swing than a standard club and grip but they are heavy static weight.  520ish grams.

Edited August 18, 2024 by Pnwpingi210

[Howard_Jones]

10 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Will do.  The 7 iron shaft setup is built up and ready to go.  Definitely has more feeling of load swinging in backyard.

 

these do feel easier to swing than a standard club and grip but they are heavy static weight.  520ish grams.

WHAT?

268 should be head wgt for all heads in that SL set, X7 is 132 uncut and like 126 (from my head) at plus 0.5" so thats 394 grams ex grips tape, ferrules and epoxy

Sounds like you are using the OG versions of Jumbomax grips?

[Pnwpingi210]

1 minute ago, Howard_Jones said:

WHAT?

268 should be head wgt for all heads in that SL set, X7 is 132 uncut and like 126 (from my head) at plus 0.5" so thats 394 grams ex grips tape, ferrules and epoxy

Sounds like you are using the OG versions of Jumbomax grips?

Yes, tour series xl.  ( I also had to use an extension in the 9 iron shaft to get it to 37.5 since it was a spare I had used used in a standard variable length set.). The graphite should save my about 15-20 total grams and I hear it feels better than the steel.

 

 I tried the ultralights a few years back on a variable set and disliked the feel of a light, jumbo grip.  I actually much prefer the feel of these heavier grips.

[Howard_Jones]

23 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Yes, tour series xl.  ( I also had to use an extension in the 9 iron shaft to get it to 37.5 since it was a spare I had used used in a standard variable length set.). The graphite should save my about 15-20 total grams and I hear it feels better than the steel.

 

 I tried the ultralights a few years back on a variable set and disliked the feel of a light, jumbo grip.  I actually much prefer the feel of these heavier grips.

That explains it, ive tried Jumbomax myself, i really liked them, but i could not handle that total wgt, so i stepped down to Lamkin Crossline Jumbos (72 grams), and now it seems like i have to go even lower to the 60 gram range for grips....it not funny getting old, so enjoy your strength while you still have it. 

[Pnwpingi210]

1 minute ago, Howard_Jones said:

That explains it, ive tried Jumbomax myself, i really liked them, but i could not handle that total wgt, so i stepped down to Lamkin Crossline Jumbos (72 grams), and now it seems like i have to go even lower to the 60 gram range for grips....it not funny getting old, so enjoy your strength while you still have it. 

I hear you.  I’m in my mid 40s and I have much more variance in how I feel and how that impacts my play on a daily basis.   I’m trying to get out in front with it with this one length experience.

 

cheers

[Pnwpingi210]

Update - tested the same build as above with a 7 iron x7 shaft at 37.5 play length.  Felt good and got back to my stock distance with a 9 iron, maybe a little farther than my normal stock.  Nothing unusual with the ball flight.

 

i will say while the actual swing is easier than a normal standard length 9 iron x7 build, the high static weight made some muscles sore that aren’t normally sore after golf (upper back and lats).

 

My club head speed is about 6-8 mph faster with the one length 37.5 inch iron vs my variable length 37.5 6 iron.  

Edited August 19, 2024 by Pnwpingi210

[Pnwpingi210]

Alright - Bryson scoring iron shaft installed.  Initial swing in the yard indicate this will be orders of magnitude easier to swing and less fatiguing that the 6 iron x7 shaft build.  It’s very stable, but is much easier to swing, and swing different speeds.  Won’t hit it till tomorrow but it feels more promising from a body wear and tear standpoint.  

[extrastiff]

13 hours ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Alright - Bryson scoring iron shaft installed.  Initial swing in the yard indicate this will be orders of magnitude easier to swing and less fatiguing that the 6 iron x7 shaft build.  It’s very stable, but is much easier to swing, and swing different speeds.  Won’t hit it till tomorrow but it feels more promising from a body wear and tear standpoint.  

I’ve built like 20 versions Bryson sets. X7 and la shafts. I love the tour grips, I also found the xl ultralite no good. Static weight and screwed swing weight feel of the xl tours didn’t ultimately serve me either. I found the small ultralites to be the jumbomax feel (baseball ease of grip) without the squish of the xl. And I have to say after testing every single combo imaginable, favorite one length build is the recommended la shafts built the same as Bryson (long iron flex in the 4 and 5, regular 125tx in the 6-9, then wedge flex in the p-lw) the with small ultralight 

Edited August 25, 2024 by extrastiff

[extrastiff]

And then if going x7, matching step profiles to the Bryson setup. So 5 iron shafts in the 4 and 5, 7 iron shafts in 6-9. I personally do not like the stout of the wedge flex x7 in my wedges, I like them a bit softer. so i actually went x100 in pw-lw. 

[Pnwpingi210]

Okay - first trip to the range under the belt.

 

one length with the La golf Bryson shaft was eye opening.  Feels lighter and firmer than the x7 when you waggle it, but they swing much different. 
 

la golf actually felt “nice”. Much less work and very very smooth.   Hard to describe.  I used it to warmup instead of hitting wedges first and it was easy on my my joints.  No problems working up to full shots, and it seemed really easy to control the speed of the shot - something that can be a struggle with stiff heavy steel.    It was almost addicting to hit as also had a heavy dense sound vs most of the graphite of hit in irons that’s sounds higher pitched as more crisp.  Stock shot was very straight to small draw.  Wasn’t able to fade it much , but as straight as these balls were flying you could definitely give up the fade.  Zero balls were a big pull or an over draw(my miss with irons).   I did have a couple of pulls when hitting my steel shaft irons in the same session. 
 

 

next I’ll probably build out a 4-5 iron with the appropriate La golf long iron shaft to test.  

[extrastiff]

5 hours ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Okay - first trip to the range under the belt.

 

one length with the La golf Bryson shaft was eye opening.  Feels lighter and firmer than the x7 when you waggle it, but they swing much different. 
 

la golf actually felt “nice”. Much less work and very very smooth.   Hard to describe.  I used it to warmup instead of hitting wedges first and it was easy on my my joints.  No problems working up to full shots, and it seemed really easy to control the speed of the shot - something that can be a struggle with stiff heavy steel.    It was almost addicting to hit as also had a heavy dense sound vs most of the graphite of hit in irons that’s sounds higher pitched as more crisp.  Stock shot was very straight to small draw.  Wasn’t able to fade it much , but as straight as these balls were flying you could definitely give up the fade.  Zero balls were a big pull or an over draw(my miss with irons).   I did have a couple of pulls when hitting my steel shaft irons in the same session. 
 

 

next I’ll probably build out a 4-5 iron with the appropriate La golf long iron shaft to test.  

You might have some luck with the combo set, I found the forged heads to offer very little in the way of consistent gapping in the four through six iron until I switched into a hotter head. The feel of the forged one length are amazing in the four iron but any sort of mishit and it goes seven iron distance.

[Pnwpingi210]

8 minutes ago, extrastiff said:

You might have some luck with the combo set, I found the forged heads to offer very little in the way of consistent gapping in the four through six iron until I switched into a hotter head. The feel of the forged one length are amazing in the four iron but any sort of mishit and it goes seven iron distance.

Yeah.  I could see that.  These forged heads are surprisingly compact.  My jpx tours in my gamers set have a bigger, more confidence inspiring look down by the ball and they aren’t big.

 

If I like the 4 iron single length tester I build up I will likely look  to get fit for a set.  Avoda have  big gaps and have an option for a combo set as well as being able to order them built with the golf shafts.

 

Still shocked at how much less fatiguing it was swing the graphite vs steel build.

Edited August 25, 2024 by Pnwpingi210

[extrastiff]

1 minute ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Yeah.  I could see that.  These forged heads are surprisingly compact.  My jpx tours in my gamers set have a bigger, more confidence inspiring look down by the ball and they aren’t big.

 

If I like the 4 iron single length tester I build up I will likely look  to get fit for a set.  Avoda have  big gaps and have an option for a combo set as well as being able to order them built with the golf shafts.

 

Still shocked at how much less fatiguing it was swing the graphite vs steel build.

Yea avoda is the way id go. I bet that set is perfect. The Forged tec cobra ones are great as well, but u hit that pw with a little too much shaft lean, that thing is going 190 lmao