2024 AIG Women's Open (Aug 22 - 25)

[MaineMariner]

Oof. 

[ThinkingPlus]

Genuine emotion from Lyds. Well deserved win.

[MaineMariner]

Whimper of a finish, BUT what a career turnaround for Lydia. What a feel good story.

[Jones55]

How can you possibly leave that short,when you have to hole it to force a play-off.

 

At least give yourself a chance.Hopeless/

[ChronicSlicer]

Uggh..Lilia..

Great golf, great test, great looking leaderboard, no wonder Nelly didn't win.

[bobfoster]

1 minute ago, Jones55 said:

terrible putt again ,and these are the worlds best.

How the hell does someone at that level leave a putt like that short?

[Jones55]

lol

[Shakeshook]

Lydia definitely HOF ( i know she's already in). If any doubt, this win erases any...

 

Vu leaving it short - as they said, fell in love with the line but did not hit it...

 

Congrats to  Lyds!

[khalespace]

She has been leaving putts short all day.

[MaineMariner]

Broadcast mentioned yesterday that the greens were stimped at like 9.5 this week, compared to the 12.5ish that the LPGA averages. There were a crap ton of putts left short all tournament. I’m sure it’s hard to adjust, especially when the pressure is on.

[ThinkingPlus]

Just now, khalespace said:

She has been leaving putts short all day.

They all did except Lydia seemed to have the best speed control. No one else seemed able to accommodate the slower greens.

[Jones55]

Does your head in top players cant get putts to the hole ,no excuse,at their level.

 

Even my level its rare I leave 6-10 ft putts short.

 

[TiScape]

3 minutes ago, MaineMariner said:

Broadcast mentioned yesterday that the greens were stimped at like 9.5 this week, compared to the 12.5ish that the LPGA averages. There were a crap ton of putts left short all tournament. I’m sure it’s hard to adjust, especially when the pressure is on.

So many top level professional athletes that can’t make the “in game” adjustment… Perplexing to say the least. Fitting that the one that was able to do it won. 

Edited August 25, 2024 by TiScape

[bobfoster]

8 minutes ago, MaineMariner said:

Broadcast mentioned yesterday that the greens were stimped at like 9.5 this week, compared to the 12.5ish that the LPGA averages. There were a crap ton of putts left short all tournament. I’m sure it’s hard to adjust, especially when the pressure is on.

Yes, they were slower than the norm for the LPGA, but c'mon. I played two different courses last week - one (a public course) that was probably stimping 8, and one (a private course who's members like quick greens) at around 10. Takes me all of four or five holes to adjust to a green - and I'm just a duffer. Adjusting to green conditions is pretty much pro golf 101, isn't it?

 

So really, the fact that they were slower than usual really isn't (in my mind) an excuse. If you are playing the freaking 72nd hole and you still haven't adjusted to green speed ... well I just don't know what to think. 

 

 

Edited August 25, 2024 by bobfoster

[xxio]

That 7/9wood? on 17 in the rain was the shot. Even though she didnt make the putt, that manufactured swing under that pressure and those conditions won it.

 

Her wedge game is just too good not to have given her a really good look on 18.

[Oneput]

Congrads to Ko!! Well done!

 

Anyone care to comment on Vu second shot on 18 (good up slope liie)?

[nsxguy]

8 minutes ago, Jones55 said:

How can you possibly leave that short,when you have to hole it to force a play-off.

 

At least give yourself a chance.Hopeless/

 

We've all done it.

 

Even in a scramble, putting last, guys still leave it short.

 

When you're used to putting a certain way, (especially(?)) when the pressure's on, you have to let yourself trust it. If you don't and "make sure you reach the hole", you're not going to make the same stroke. It's a conundrum. 

 

And then there's others of us who just can't bear to see the ball rolling past the hole - don't ask me how I know. (Thanks ) 

 

Actually, given all the golf I've watched, especially this year (it seems), far more putts are missed because of too little speed, rather than too much.

[bobfoster]

3 minutes ago, xxio said:

That 7/9wood? on 17 in the rain was the shot. Even though she didnt make the putt, that manufactured swing under that pressure and those conditions won it.

 

Her wedge game is just too good not to have given her a really good look on 18.

This ^^^. Her short game under pressure is almost other worldly. (That wedge on 18 looked almost identical to the wedge that won her the Olympics. She brings it when it needs to get brought.)

Edited August 25, 2024 by bobfoster

[nsxguy]

4 minutes ago, bobfoster said:

Yes, they were slower than the norm for the LPGA, but c'mon. I played two different courses last week - one (a public course) that was probably stimping 8, and one (a private course who's members like quick greens) at around 10. Takes me all of four or five holes to adjust to a green - and I'm just a duffer. Adjusting to green conditions is pretty much pro golf 101, isn't it?

 

So really, the fact that they were slower than usual really isn't (in my mind) an excuse. If you are playing the freaking 72nd hole and you still haven't adjusted to green speed ... well I just don't know what to think. 

 

 

 

My friend, when one is used to playing 12-stimp greens and one goes to 9.5-stimp greens the difference is extremely noticeable, even to the pros. Sometimes you just can't believe how much harder you have to hit a putt.

 

Had a guy in our club who played a lot on country club greens. When he played at our dump on Sundays, he just couldn't reach the hole.

 

Not to mention the rain most of the day today. Oops.

[subrew]

I was waiting for Nelly's meltdown come holes 13-16, and it came.  Even events she won this year, some of them had to go to playoffs because she threw the lead away on holes 13-16.  Just seems to be her bug-a-boo.    

 

That was a tough finish in terms of cheering on a favorite, because I liked everyone on the leaderboard.  Great win for Lydia!

 

Master club fitter Tux was helping me build some Mizunos while we watched.  He's a big fan of Ko.

Edited August 25, 2024 by subrew

[nsxguy]

17 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

They all did except Lydia seemed to have the best speed control. No one else seemed able to accommodate the slower greens.

 

Yeah, Nellie on the road hole.

 

Nellie coughed it up on the par-5 14th.

 

Not sure about the strategy on her 2nd shot that left her in the right rough.

 

Looked like enough fairway to her left - and from there a pretty simple short-ish SW/LW. Instead, there it goes, flying over the green.

 

And then she compounds the mistake by not getting her chip at least onto the green. Next chip long, doesn't make the 5-footer, and a double instead of a good look at birdie.

 

Sheesh, those are things WE do, not World's #1.

[Mr.Cleeks]

33 minutes ago, randywildman said:

What was she and the caddie thinking on the 3rd shot on 15 ???? flyer brings double into play, short was the miss and it look like they never considered it would fly ?

The 2nd shot on 14 was the big mistake imo. She’s got all the room in the world left of the green and blew it right. That should’ve been a par at worst from where she was

[DuenPhen]

The top 6 at the end of this tournament have all been world number one (Lydia, Lilia, Nelly, Ronnie, Jiyai, and May). 
 

Before Jeeno doubled the Road Hole (one hell of an adventure not seen on the broadcast), it was 7.

[ChronicSlicer]

2 minutes ago, DuenPhen said:

The top 6 at the end of this tournament have all been world number one (Lydia, Lilia, Nelly, Ronnie, Jiyai, and May). 
 

Before Jeeno doubled the Road Hole (one hell of an adventure not seen on the broadcast), it was 7.

Possibly the best leaderboard of the year.

[MilesVJackson]

12 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

 

Looked like enough fairway to her left - and from there a pretty simple short-ish SW/LW. Instead, there it goes, flying over the green.

 

And then she compounds the mistake by not getting her chip at least onto the green. Next chip long, doesn't make the 5-footer, and a double instead of a good look at birdie.

 

Sheesh, those are things WE do, not World's #1.

That's the weird thing about golf...even the best players in the world hit bad shots and make double bogeys.  we just do it more often than nelly does.  

[3eagles]

IYKYK

As Lydia is setting up to her 2nd shot on 18, I hear in my head . .

 

"Half a yard!"

 

Still clutch.

[bobfoster]

52 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

 

My friend, when one is used to playing 12-stimp greens and one goes to 9.5-stimp greens the difference is extremely noticeable, even to the pros. Sometimes you just can't believe how much harder you have to hit a putt.

 

Had a guy in our club who played a lot on country club greens. When he played at our dump on Sundays, he just couldn't reach the hole.

 

Not to mention the rain most of the day today. Oops.

Sorry - just not buying it. The average LPGA tourney stimp is 11.5 - 12. And it is not uncommon under really wet conditions to get down to 10.5 or even 10. These people aren't always playing on sheets of glass for goodness sake. 

 

But there's a bigger picture. The average tournament stimp is 11.5 - 12. But consider this, before anyone even makes a pro tour they've already played well over a thousand rounds of golf, on a huge variety of courses. Probably hit tens of thousands of practice putts on all manner of greens. The pros obsessively practice putting - do you think every practice green stimps 12?

 

No - IMO it was not the green speed. Ko won because she beat Vu mentally, plain and simple. On 18, with the ultimate pressure on (final hole, at a major, at the Old Course), the Lyds absolutely nailed her wedge, and rolled her putt in center cup. Vu hit a really mediocre wedge, and then hit a very tentative putt that she left over a foot short. Vu didn't lose because of a stimpmeter. She lost because of nerves. 

 

Just my opinion. 

Edited August 25, 2024 by bobfoster

[ThinkingPlus]

1 hour ago, nsxguy said:

 

Yeah, Nellie on the road hole.

 

Nellie coughed it up on the par-5 14th.

 

Not sure about the strategy on her 2nd shot that left her in the right rough.

 

Looked like enough fairway to her left - and from there a pretty simple short-ish SW/LW. Instead, there it goes, flying over the green.

 

And then she compounds the mistake by not getting her chip at least onto the green. Next chip long, doesn't make the 5-footer, and a double instead of a good look at birdie.

 

Sheesh, those are things WE do, not World's #1.

Morgan mentioned how Nelly was trying to hold off on that 3W to keep the ball from going left. Right rough wasn't the play. Maybe bad stuff far left, but I didn't really see it. Maybe play a cut every now and then instead of that rope hook all the time.

 

Also needs to get back to being more aggressive with the putter like earlier in the year. Her meditation mantra should be "Two feet past, two feet past...".

[TiScape]

1 hour ago, subrew said:

I was waiting for Nelly's meltdown come holes 13-16, and it came.  Even events she won this year, some of them had to go to playoffs because she threw the lead away on holes 13-16.  Just seems to be her bug-a-boo.    

 

That was a tough finish in terms of cheering on a favorite, because I liked everyone on the leaderboard.  Great win for Lydia!

 

Master club fitter Tux was helping me build some Mizunos while we watched.  He's a big fan of Ko.

Tux is a handsome fella 😻 

[Lobby]

Hollywood couldn't have scripted Lydia's year any better. 

What a story !